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OgundeleT:
sorry i don't think i can continue with this kind childish argument about gods, infacty it is so ridiculous. what do u mean by there is one god u keep mentioning? i said human being claim there are thousands of gods u are telling me there one without any evidence. as for me no god exist it is just a figment of human imagination. ur god is ur own figment of ur imagination and ur previous post say much about that, u only conclude it is god when u discover there are mysteries u couldn't unravel, what a lame conclusion is that?. why feeling a gap of ignorance with "god did it"? leave whatever u dont know about nature for other curious mind to unravel. god dont exist get the point straight

you can't continue with the argument? this is extremely ridiculous of you, because you started out with claiming the existence of thousands of gods and the possibility that one must be the right one, and you saw everything as a risk venture, so we started the argument based on this in other to establish the odds of which one is actually the right one.

But now you are claiming a different thing entirely that you don't even believe in the existence of any gods or God, is that not ridiculous of you? are you not contradicting your self based on the purpose of this argument? The existence of God or not is a different argument entirely.

OgundeleT:
god is a deity whether Yahweh, Zeus, Allah, Ogun or anyone they are all gods. also u and who know one god create a universe? what experiment did u carry out to draw such a conclusion? i am an agnostic atheist bro if u are u wont claim there is one god so u learn that universe was from one deity? clap for urself u are a real curious science student

Stop deceiving your self Bro, there is only one supreme being that caused the universe. This is not debatable, ask anyone from any religion and they will tell you it's their own God(single) so the question is which one is the right one, and that was how this argument started but now we have digressed.

OgundeleT:
scientific research make me appreciate nature more and not any deity

This is where you are wrong bro, what do you mean by nature? wake up from your deep slumber and see reasons why it's impossible for everything to have started by chance and occurrence of some random events. If I start proving this, we will further digress.

OgundeleT:
i concur some like you will ur research reveal to u there is end of time or u are told and u believe? abi who told u there is end of time?

I hope you will agree with me that anything that has a beginning will surely have an end. scientists have agreed that the universe had a beginning and they were able to estimate the age. This makes it even more evident that the universe was caused.

OgundeleT:
which god? allah or yahweh or zeus

The God that created the universe and the things in it.

OgundeleT:
ok. what do u want to bring out of calendar because u av not really made the points that u said will make ur argument supreme as u av stated earlier

Bro so you mean you are still struggling to find an answer to the riddle? Anyway let me help you out. I started out by talking about a superior argument, and you kept on refuting the idea.

So i said what if I show you how influential my religion is, would you still consider my argument superior? So the issue of the calendar shows how influential my religion is. But I insist that is not the basis for my argument. And i repeat again, that is not the basis for my argument.

I have not even started proving my points, you are just making me to digress with your questions. I told you I'm typing on phone with a limited ram (1GB) and its not easy especially putting up lengthy texts like this.

Now let's stop further digression and go straight to the argument. because it all started with the issue of which of the gods is the right one. and trying to establish the odds of being right.

[quote author=abbeyboy2o15 post=47343024][/quote]In continuation of what i said above, i think it's time. We start treating them like men and stop giving them special privileges because like i said earlier they are now more hostile, aggressive and violent (especially the young ladies)

The women of today are no longer the women we use to know in the 80s and 70s we now have so many dare devils among them who are even capable of doing what a man is afraid of doing. We now have cases of women killing their husbands by either stabbing or other gruesome ways. What about cases of chopping off a man's dick,?

We now hear cases of dare devil female robbers, all this shows that they are now more hostile and dangerous. So we should erase the mentality of seeing them as the weaker sex and powerless. Lets start treating them like men and stop giving them special privileges.

abbeyboy2o15:
That is how they do and those moderators give them support like bug dont no if they are paying them in some ways because they are spoiling the image of this forum with all those gibberish attitude without thought about the adhesive effects in the long run just too bad.

Maybe they are adopting the American style of giving women certain privileges. But I don't think women of nowadays deserve it, because they are now more hostile, aggressive and violent (Although I respect older women alot but not the ill mannered young ladies that we have these days.)

Goto U.S today and see how women are abusing the privilege, they assault men at will and the man dare not retaliate else he may be jailed.

There was even a ridiculous case of a lady that stole a car, after a hot chase, the owner apprehended her. when the cops arrived at the scene, she quickly brought out her rape card and was screaming rape! rape! Thank God for surveillance cameras that captured the whole event, else the man would have been jailed.

There are several candid videos on YouTube showing how women abuse these privilege.

abbeyboy2o15:
Some moderators have turned themselves to ladies slaves on here too bad and you want fairness in the country that is how our so called leaders started there bad corrupt behaviour too and people are suffering just like the issue here been woman rapper wont lead you to any where except there skirt better restrategies your way.

Bro i just finished arguing with a lady not too long ago, you need to see how she was raining insults on me just because i wanted to correct her for saying 99.3% of men are liars. I was replying her subtly because I don't want to get a ban.

Eventually I called on the mods with the hope that justice would be done. Few minutes later she quoted me again and started ridiculing me as if the mods can't do anything to her. Honestly I was disappointed.

badthinds:
Matt 18:21-22
Matthew 18:21-22 KJV
Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
[22] Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.


So if I literally forgive my brethren seventy times seventy times in a day... and the next time, I killed the person with a Gun and die later.

Q: Can I go to hell?...taking the last event into consideration.

(umm... I know some ova sabi people would be processing the logic of forgiving your brethren that amount in a day... I didn't ask of that. )

Thanks for your Answer.

Although it's practically impossible, but let's assume it happens then it's hell. because God doesn't permit murder. Unless you are forgiven before passing on.

ForeverYoung197:
Cry louder boy. That's all what you've got? I'm not here to please you. Walkout if you can't handle than whining.

You are a nasty b.itch

Rocktation , farano, seun please do justice here. Thanks

ForeverYoung197:
I have no time reading your sermon. Go find somewhere you can talk to. Too talk too much like a whining pig.

ForeverYoung197:
When was the last time you checked yourself in front of the mirror? You're in the denial stage. That makes you even worst than those liars in your village.

You are very rude and arrogant, what have I said to warrant this insults from you? I still insist that is your own personal opinion. Where did you get your facts from? Provide the source of your information and let us all go and verify. As far as we all know, nobody has conducted any research in that area so where did you get 99.3% from?

From this your reaction i can as well conclude that 99.3% of Nigerian ladies are rude, arrogant and spiteful inshort disgusting. at least for the ones i have encountered or observed. But does that make it true? No, because it's my personal opinion from my own personal experience.

because you were unfortunate to fall into the hands of some bad guys shouldn't make you generalize.
your sample size is too small to generate that percentage, because that percentage is as good as saying all men and that means your dad inclusive.

ForeverYoung197:
[s]Honesty. We all know 99.3 % of men are liars.[/s]

That is your own opinion.

analice107:
Oh, wow. I missed the sarcasm.

I think he is real, even though he has refused to share with us what made him change his mind. Let’s keep observing, time will tell if his conversion is genuine.

johnydon22:
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OgundeleT:
all of them are gods, whatever u idolise is ur god or God. whichever they are all the same.

Bro you are confused, so can't make a clear distinction between the two? Anyway we all know that only one God caused the universe and the things in it and that is the God I'm talking about.

OgundeleT:
are u taking me to science or religion? please clarify that so that we wont mix things up

You seem not to get my style, I'm not one of those Christians that you guys accuse of not reasoning outside the box. I'm a science student and also have a very curious mind like you guys but as for me, everything that i learn about nature and the universe at large, makes me to appreciate God the more for his greatness and vast superiority.

I'm not one of those religious people that are against science or research because science will only make you appreciate God more.

Scientists can't get to the bottom of everything till the end of time as long as the word "infinity" exists. They can keep on making research and they will keep on being marveled by their discoveries only that they won't
appreciate God that is behind it.

the mysteries of life are very deep, if you unravel one, another one is waiting for you and it goes on like that infinitely until the end of time.

I watched a documentary recently, A cardiologist said in his 20yrs of experience, he keeps learning new things about the heart every time, that it's the most amazing pump someone could ever imagine. I know it intrigues him but he didn't appreciate the creative mind(God) behind it.

OgundeleT:
NO. gregorian calendar is different from xtian calendar Gregorian is for scientist

Bro where did you get your own information from? because Gregorian calendar is the western calendar and also the Christian calendar according to many sources online. Even Wikipedia. Pls do your research again.

OgundeleT:
u are mixing things up. atheist is not a religion group. so it may be some scientist. calendar or no calendar has nothing to do with atheism

Bro what are you saying? Pls you are the one that is mixing things up here, where did i say Atheism is a religion and that it has anything to do with calendar? Pls highlight that part for me in my previous post.

I said some Atheists are not comfortable with that calender and I stated the reasons why. I saw a forum online (not Nairaland) where Atheists were arguing over the calendar.

OgundeleT:
sorry bro don't waste ur time by mixing things up here civilisation never started with xtian even some philosopher was charged for heresy just because their claim contradict bible, example is Galileo, in fact church and xtian are against civilisation. west is different from xtian get that right

Bro what are you saying and how is it related with what is in my last post? I was only trying to point out the issue of the calendar, I didn't talk about civilization starting with Christianity and other things you are claiming up there.

Pls ensure you read my posts carefully and comprehend before replying me, because i have noticed a lot of incoherence in this your reply.

johnydon22:
Aaawww bro i really wished we could do live discussion, we could document and put it up on youtube then post it on nairaland.

Lol, you want a show like that of the popular Richard Dawkins vs Cardinal George Pell debate?

johnydon22:
Reasons to believe?……… why believe when you can know…… for something as critical as God(s) to rely on such boat of uncertainty as belief betrays it's vagueness and lack of empirical substantiation.

Let us do away with the idea of Belief lets rather try to Know and derive certainty.

Bro what proof do you want,? Do you want to see God physically before you believe him? That's impossible, the only account we heard of in history was the case of Moses and he was not even allowed to see the face of God, for God said he would die if he sees his face (Exodus 33:20).

How can you even imagine seeing a being that is so powerful that created you and the Universe, it's unimaginable. U know how complex you are as a human being and also the unfathomable size of the universe that should give you an idea of the being we are talking about here.
You can't see him in flesh and survive.

We can only acknowledge his existence through his works. Just like if you see a painting, we accept it as evidence that a painter exists also when we see a house we accept that a builder exists. All those things were made with a purpose by those who made them and why we may not understand everything about the people who designed them, we do not doubt that the people exist.

Ranchhoddas:
Check very well. I did not say 'affect', I said 'validate'.

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Ranchhoddas:
Check very well. I did not say 'affect', I said 'validate'.

That is left for you to decide, you are skeptical about the Bible's account and we as Christians and other religions are also skeptical about the theory. So how do we go about it? We start criticism and exposing flaws, so at the end of the day you decide where you stand.

The Darwinian theory is of the view that life originated by chance and That is still being debated. As long as the theory can not explain how the first life forms evolved and other mysteries that are only logical to attribute it to an intelligent mind at work then we as Christians and other religions will still be skeptical about it.

What we have discovered so far is that life begets life, even in cloning, a live cell is required. if life originated by chance as the theory claimed and if scientists claim to know all the building blocks of life, then why have they not been able to recreate it in the lab?

What about the issue of sex? How did male and female species evolve independently? This and many more questions points to the fact that everything was designed and there is an intelligent mind behind it.

Like i said, Check out the flaws in the theory and what critics say about it. and decide for yourself. There are lots of questions the theory can't answer. I will reserve the questions and use some of them in a topic very soon. I will mention you when i create the topic if you can answer it.

[quote author=Ranchhoddas post=47304491][/quote]Thought i have answered your question or you were so disturbed by the unpalatable words at the beginning of the post that you failed to notice the answer i gave at the end?
I said it doesn't affect my belief in anyway.

And pls enough of this insults, because if this issue should degenerate further, I will be forced to fire back and both of us will get a ban in the process.

[quote author=Ranchhoddas post=47304491][/quote]Bro why the insult? I know your question wasn't sincere that was why I answered you like that. Your question required a very simple answer.
But you wanted to defend her and i know that. If it was a guy i know you won't even interfere at all.

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[quote author=OgundeleT post=47300935][/quote]Waiting for your feedback on my last post so that I can continue.

Ranchhoddas:
People have been atheists before Darwin was born. How does the 'falsity' of evolution validate your belief?

Bro why intrude in an ongoing conversation that you don't even know how it started or have an idea of what led to what?

Do you know the details of our personal encounter with her and what we have argued on before we arrived at evolution theory?

Bro your question is completely out of phase. Even the person we have been mentioning has not showed up to defend her self so what is your business in this matter?

Oh i guess because she is a lady, you want to defend her right? I don't know when guys will stop this attitude of defending a lady at all cost no matter what she does. (either right or wrong)

You got me me infuriated Bro, because i don't like people quoting me unnecessarily when they don't have anything reasonable to say. And I don't quote anybody anyhow either.

Well, to answer your question, Darwin's theory does not affect my belief in anyway.

OgundeleT:
gods that i know within Yoruba alone is up to 10 so the issue of 10 cant work.

Lolz you got me laughing here Bro. You mean sango, obatala etc? How many people are aware of your gods? I believe only the yoruba people. Even some modern day yorubas don't know about them. And in this modern day of civilization, the people that still worship or believe in them are referred to as Idol worshipers. So pls they do not have a place in this argument. We are talking about God here and not gods. Or Idol worshipers.

OgundeleT:
i dont know and u dont know as well, but if u know present the fact so that we can see

You disappointed me greatly here Bro and you failed to decode the message i was trying to pass with that hint. I know other smart guys reading that will easily decode it. Anyway let me help you out.

According to scientists, the age of the universe is put at 13.7 billion years. and we are just in 2016 i know you will want to debate this further like when civilization started, before men started counting etc but that is not where I am going

The fact is that the current calendar we are using and that is widely accepted is the Gregorian calender which is also called the Christian calendar. That is the message I encoded in that hint.

Some Atheists are not comfortable with this calendar because they feel it's incomplete as we cannot use it to go way back in time. And also because it's of Christian origin.

OgundeleT:
prove the points so that we can bury everything fo once

Alright i will quote you again and post it. I'm typing on phone and its not easy putting all this text together especially when it's very lengthy

johnydon22:
Then meet me, i live in Enugu, Nigeria. . . I am sure you will do a great Job discussing with me.. lets do it bro.

Lol, do you know where i reside? That is not feasible. I only suggested that because I believe it would be more effective. I really wish I could but there are numerous constraints.

But like I said, with time you will see more reason(s) to believe in God.

OgundeleT:
it seems u don't get me? all i mean is that there are thousands of god human being claimed to exist but u choose one out of it, but i just assume they are 10000.
sorry there is nothing like superior argument in religion u only choose the one ur parent give u or u take from the society, the same way u think ur argument is superior is the same way others think theirs is superior, the same way u look others who dont profess ur religion with pity because u believe av presented a valid point is the same way they also look u with pity because they also think they are on the right path while u are wrong

Let me start with why did you assume that value above? that's very unprofessional of you in an argument like this. if you keep on assuming like this we won't arrive at anything meaningful at the end of the day.

Pls let's deal with facts here. Another person can come now and also assume 10, and that will rubbish your earlier assertion, because 1/10 is much more significant than 1/10000

You said thousands of "gods" i quite agree with that but there is only one "God" note the difference.

Again you keep refuting the idea of a superior argument, why are you rushing to conclude? You have no idea of what I have in mind.

Now what if I tell you about something that the whole world currently depend on/generally accepted that was actually influenced by my religion will you still consider my argument superior? Let me give you an hint to stop you from guessing. How old is the universe and what is our current year?

Anyway that is not the basis of the argument, i repeat, that is not the basis for my superior argument I have further points to prove.

winner01:
Cloudgoddes is probably having a hard time with the idea of Creation, seeing how she passionately defends evolution. I'm sure before she get to the last drop of the cup in her biology lessons, she'll meet with God. I want to believe that she will be honest to admit the obvious in the end.
She is like the first fish falsely proposed by evolutionists to have walked on land, when she sees that water is a more pressing need than some dream limbs, then she will realize she was created for water. She will realize she was created for God by God.

As for johnydon22, honestly i can't really blame him. He seems to have either been a seminarian or grew up in a seminary.
I would have been surprised at his hard-hearted nature if i did not serve in a catholic school. At least I made friends with 2 seminarians and a third when he was transferred to the church towards the end of my service. I also lived in the guest house of the reverend fathers for some time. And I know what I saw.
Of course, there are bad eggs everywhere. But coincidentally, my dad also served at the catholic several years ago, and warned me that they could be a bad influence.
I know for sure what those seminarians believe, especially wuth regards to God.
Little wonder Jesus was constantly displeased with religion.

As you said Bro, conversion is solely God's work. We cant only do our bit by praying for them and hope God arrests them soonest.

Humm., the latter part of your reply is quite revealing..

As for cloudgoddess, i pray she realizes the truth before it's too late for her. How deep has she gone? She doesn't even have a PhD yet in her area of study, and yet she is so bent on defending the evolution theory. As if it's flawless.

I asked her a question sometime ago, and she couldn't answer it, and she was like err... err... Scientists are still working on it. I recommended a book written by a fellow scientist that actually exposed the flaws in the evolution theory for her to read. But I doubt if she has done that.

I have read about many seasoned molecular biologists who do not agree with the theory. In fact molecular biologists Michael Denton calls the Darwinian belief regarding living things arising by chance "the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century"

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OgundeleT:
bros the probability of mine is zero while the probability of urs is 1/10000 or whatever, do the maths it is almost zero so we almost the same. btw i never believe anyone exist
superior argument? lols. bros nothing like that, u are just a product of indoctrination and nothing more.

Bro I'm glad you admit yours is zero. Now where did you get the 10000 from? because the main contenders are no way near that figure.
By the time i finish my analysis you will find out that majority of them are not even main contenders/not even contenders at all and your probability will become 1/2.

Then with the support of a superior argument, you will be able to decide for your self on who the odds favour between the two major contenders that will be left.

winner01:
Welcome home!!! I praise God for your life my brother. Which church do you attend my brother, which part of Nigeria do you stay, we can discuss on email. God bless you.
Now I also pray and hope that Loj Blackjewelry Sirwere RobinHez FrancisTony donnffd Antiparticle Krystalzkris freecocoa OgundeleT TheDauraMallam, thehomer K9blunt ( f ), joywendy( f), herald9 , MarieSucre reallest PAGAN9JA krattoss hahn Queed, dabosuker Johnydon22 realtem sorextee Dekatron djdoxxx kolajamesjnr Liekiller SIRANDREWS , seun plaetton , menesheh wiegraf , finofaya Redlyn , Longstride, Rainess rinrin23 tangled Misogynist2014 Pr0ton , davien teempakguy dorox Joseph1013 cloudgoddess sweetcocoa dalaman hahn menehsheh frank317 plaetton ifeness realmindz lilbrown007 et al. will follow.

You see that johnydon22 and cloudgoddess ehn their case is special they need a personal divine encounter.

Meeting them one on one will be more effective. But I believe God will eventually arrest them when the time is due.

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OgundeleT:
we are almost the same. i choose non out of thousands gods claimed to exist but u just choose one. do the maths we are almost same and if u happen to choose the wrong one we are all heading to hell fire

Bro we are not almost the same, his odds of being right are far far higher than yours. The odds doesn’t favour you at all in this matter, because you are sitting on the fence in this matter.

From what you wrote up there, i can deduce that out of the thousands of gods you claim, u believe that one must be the right one.

So you see the whole thing as a game of risk, but even as it is, logically do you know that your risk is more higher?

Now out of the thousands of gods and religious practices that you claim, do you know that he has a superior argument? question me on this and i will give you more details.

Op, you watch too much nollywood movies.