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Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 6:02pm On Sep 17, 2015
Ouch...missed alot
Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 8:33am On Sep 14, 2015
tbaba1234:


The fact that the universe is finite means that Allah exists outside of it..

Space and time itself are constructs of our existence in this universe . Allah is not limited by that.

That makes your question meaningless. We only understand space and time because we exist in this universe.

Allah describes himself in the Quran but we do not place human limitations on Allah and we do not take away from the way, he described himself.

Haha...yes indeed saying Allah exists outside the universe bcause the universe is finite means that HE is "INFINITE" so to say which affirm to our point that HE is everywhere And no-where...cause there is no such place that is infinite and that HAS no beginning that we can point at and say Allah is there or there
If the question is meaningless I tink it automatically means that ur previous post is likewise cause d question was only the result of ur post
Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 9:20pm On Sep 13, 2015
tbaba1234:
Assalamu aleikum,

Sino has done a great job.

From an intellectual stand point, Allah being everywhere does not make sense.

Since the universe has a beginning and is finite. Allah muse exist outside of it.

Do u mean dat Allah must exist in a place wit no beginning nd isn infinite....is dere such a place? Pls I'll like to knw.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 6:57pm On Sep 13, 2015
sino:

It seems you skipped some readings bro, go back and read again...

Again bro, you are getting way ahead of yourself, Allah (SWT) is finite?! Interesting, you are the one making this claim, not those of us who say Allah (SWT) is above his creation, believing what He (SWT) says and not trying to find (hidden) meaning other than what is apparent (zahir) and not literal (lugah).

Comparing what have been posted here in regards to Allah (SWT) being above his creation thus far, to an unsubstantiated claim of having more than one God is ridiculous I must say, proofs have been provided, from the Qur’an, hadiths and book of tafsir, but you just ignore them, why? You are bent on believing whatever argument that is contrary to what is explicitly stated in the Qur’an and what is reported in the hadiths and what the righteous predecessors believe.

So you are also into the intellectual gymnastics right?! Give me your resume bro, what do you know about Islamic knowledge? You graduated from Medinah? Al-Ahazar? Any University in Nigeria with a BA in Arabic and Islamic studies? Do you speak Arabic? Or you graduated from which local madrasah? How many Hadiths have you memorized with their chain of transmission? If you cannot comfortably answer any of the above questions, abeg come join my group, which is, bunch of Islamic religion enthusiast, in simple terms, laymen with the love for the deen. For your information, in regards to Islam, Allah (SWT), what the Prophet (SAW) says, and what the righteous predecessors held on to determines what is correct and what is not, not you or your intellect, your intellect can only help you accept or deny.
well bro I see u dnt understand the implications of d words uve been using earlier..what could it mean if some1 says that Allah has a hand or a leg a face and even sits on a throne if not finitude...2nd is most muslims unanimously agree that Allah is above His creation the point of incoherence is deir approach to dat statement in d sense dat is d word above used in terms of loftiness and majesty or in terms of position?
As for the 3rd point..I am not a scholar nor a saint but a student of knowledge,nd in my quest for knowledge I av tried my best to avoid being sentimental as the saying goes look at d message not the messenger...but d case is different with what I av seen here so far what deh do is ask which sect dis person or dat person belongs to not paying attention to His message
Lol..I guess what you guys do is make a literal interpretation of d holy koran..wow if dats d case dere will be no point in pondering on it since all we av to do is translate it literally and the verse which asks us to ponder on the koran will make no sense,why ponder on it when everything is glaring..nd the verse which says "many will be guided aright by it and many will be led astray by it will also make no meaning if it is glaring nd should b taken literally why will it guide people astray, is it that it contains some controversies
And thirdly the verse which says Allah guides alright whom ever He wishes and leads astray whom ever he desires wen taken literally will mean that Allah selects some people and guides them and then leads astray oda people...which will also be a contradiction to d verse which says "for those who strives in our path we shall indeed guide dem in our path"....I guess ure getting a lot of things wrong bro,, the koran needs us to ponder on it frequently nd decipher the hidden treasures within it
Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 10:32pm On Sep 12, 2015
One tin I av noticed in dis discussion is that both sides bring verses from the koran to support dier views about God.....one group(saying God is finite) bring forth dier verses nd do not even bother about the 2nd groups verses whereas the second group (saying God is everywhere) also bring forth verses to support dier claim but unlike the 1st group also try to dier utmost to explain the verses from the group.
The first group should also try to do justice to d 2nd group's claims by trying to explain d verses d bring forth nd not resulting to an unintelligible and unfathomable claim that intellect cannot be used to explain d word of the koran...if this is so the non-muslims too will be correct if they say God is five,seven or even hundred and when we ask why deh say, intelligence cannot be applied in dis realm yet we "crucify" dem for it....
I think intelligence is what makes you distinguish btw correct and incorrect,ryt and wrong,true or false even the koran exclaimed "when a person brings forth a news to you do verify the news".. for verification requires intelligence

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 1:20pm On Sep 10, 2015
Here is a statement from imam ali on the ESSENCE OF GOD
HE is the One,but not in a numerical sense
He is not confined to limits nor counted by numbers
He who points at HIM,admits for Him limitations,and he who admits limitation for Him has numbered Him
He who qualifies Him limits Him.He who limits Him numbers Him.He who numbers Him denies His pre-eternity-----the peak of eloquence
Food for thought-whose saying will you follow ALI's or muhawiyahs'?

Again saying He as an eye,a leg and a mouth refutes the saying "there is non like Unto Him" for - too have an eyes,legs and face
If you den say he is finite why condemn d non muslims for speaking about trinity....since your God and theirs can be counted?

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 12:51pm On Sep 10, 2015
Indeed "ALLAH is closer to us than our jugular vein"
This verse suffices our point that Allah is not sought of a pHySiCAL bEING....if HE was dat would mean dat HE created HIM SELF or sumtin else created him lo! No muslim will subscribe to dat point indeed
Anoda verse I will like to point out is "you are neva in a state nor do you ever recite a verse of the quran or engage in any other action,without my being INSTANTLY aware of it,not a single atom in the heaven and the earth is hidden from your LORD;what ever exists whether smaller or bigger than an atom is recorded In a clear book(divine knowledge)---quran 10vr61
In the above verse He made mention of His instant awareness of everybody's actions nd even of everything...indeed this is impossible for any physical being it is only logically position if such a being is present everywhere
Finally you cannot expect us to just accept what muhawiyah said about d prophet since muhawiyah's conduct during His life time were questionable
We only take the wordings of such people whom the quran speaks of in this context "verily ur sovereigns are ALLAH,AND the pRoPHET AND those who uphold ritual prayer and give alms while bowing down(in prayer)-quran5:55
Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 11:08am On Sep 10, 2015
AlBaqir:


Very unfortunate, man. Your accusations know no bounds. You must have been a JJC on this forum to note that Albaqir is a Shii. And beside, "Albaqir being insultive?" grin Ask your men, MrOlai, abuamam, et al, we've debated a lot on Shiism so I found it amusing when you laid that amateur claim. Lastly, when you say I couldn't refute you, please note, I personally do not engage in a "win-loss dialogue". Usually a person with big mouth do consider himself to have won a debate. Quran gave a guideline for dialogue {Surah an-Nahl:125}. I always try my best to adhere to it. Check my record on NL. The reason why I skipped many of your challenges is simply to avoid derailment of this thread. You guys, MrOlai, love to derail thread. I have already cited like 3 different threads that addressed your challenges but you ignore all of them and now claiming winner oh oh winner.

This thread is so beautiful that what we explore is Quran not Shia. Funny enough you cannot even stomach the opposite view of Sunni scholars that supported the second view. That is not academic. I see your resort ["so you are even a shee'a"] as a fast route of escape. MrOlai, I descibe you with hyena descriptions. He feeds on carcass left by the lions.

Anyway, Salam alaykum and cheers, men.

"...many go astray by it (Quran) and many are lead aright by it. No one go astray except Fasiqun"
Damn!! You just killed it bro
Will love to know you beta in sha ALLAH

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 1:10pm On Sep 09, 2015
babylolaroy:

al baqir....Allah rose over a throne.kilo awkward ninu iyen. He attributed face and hands to himself, kilo bad ninu iyen. much as yu may apply logic to interpret quran, you cant twist all the words and arrive at the conclusion that literal interpretations are not befitting
Since question wasn't directed to me courtesy demand that I should allow the appropriate person answer the above question
But I will also like to ask you a question,saying Allah attributed an eye a hand a mouth to Himself do you by any means mean dat He possess needs in d sense that He needs the eyes to see,the mouth to talk,the hand nd feet to move? If yes are you going against His attribute which says He is free of need?...if no...what sense does it make having what you dnt need...since ALLAH Does nothing in vein....
pls be kind to throw more light on this really want to know what you actually mean
Science/Technology / Re: Blackhole, Wormhole And Whitehole by dekatrons(m): 9:38pm On Sep 08, 2015
Dekatron01:
@ johnydon22 :- na one NDI ARA MOD ban me o @dekatron




just seeing this o jare. . .BRB. . .

@ dekatrons, dnt impersonate me o
Hmm? undecided
Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 5:02pm On Sep 08, 2015
kennyosein:


1. Bro your argument is a nonsense argument that
merely sounds like it make sense.

2. Stop applying logic and philosophy when it comes to the matters of the deen.

3. When it comes to Islam the textual proofs supersede your intellect and

4. Why should I pother about what you wrote when the Quran is clear or are you saying the Quran is wrong, or are saying you understand the Quran better than the Salaf? Allah says "The Compassionate has rose over the 'Arsh ." [ Al-Qur'an 20:2]

"And verily, your Rabb is Allah who created
the heaven and earth in six days, and then rose
over the 'Arsh." [ Al-Qur'an 7:54]

Allah also says: "Are you sure that He Who is
Above the heaven will not cleave the earth beneath
you? Or are you sure that He Who is above the
heaven will not send against you a stone-charged
hurricane." [ Al-Qur'an 67:17-18]

"And He is Allah above the heaven and on the
earth He knows your private and public
affairs. And He knows what you achieve." [ Al-
Qur'an 6:3]

"O, Isa (Jesus)! I shall cause you to die, and
raise you up to Me." [ Al-Qur'an 3:55]

"Surely, your Rabb is the One who created the
heavens and the earth in six days; then He
istawa on the Throne." [ Al-Qur'an 7:54]

All these ayats from the Quran are self elucidatory.

Abdullah bin Amr reported that the Prophet
sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam said: "Be merciful to
those on earth, so that the One above the heavens
will be merciful to you." [ Imam al-Bukhari, Imam
Muslim, and others]

Abu Hurayrah reported that the Prophet
sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam said, "Allah will
descend to His slaves on the Day of
Resurrection." [At-Tirmidhi and others]

And lastly
The Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam
reported his eventful journey from Makkah to
Jerusalem (al-Mi'raj ) and from there up to the
heavens as follows: Jibril took me up to the
lowest heaven and requested its guards to
open its gate. He was asked, 'Who is this?' He
answered, 'Jibril.' 'Who is with you?' They
inquired. 'Muhammed sallallahu 'alayhi wa
sallam' he answered. They inquired. 'Has he
been invited?' 'Yes'. Jibril replied. Then
someone greeted saying, 'He is most welcome'.
The Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam
continued, when the gate was opened, I
entered and met Adam there. Jibril said to me,
'This is your father, greet him'. Adam greeted
me back, saying: 'Welcome, pious son and
pious Prophet'. Then Jibril ascended to the
second heaven and requested its guards to
open its gate. The questioning that took place
in the lowest heaven was repeated before the
gate was opened. The Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi
wa sallam described what he saw in every
heaven, until finally he was taken up to the
seventh heaven where obligatory prayers were
prescribed to him. This authentic mutawatir
hadith speaks clearly in plain words and
straightforward manner which is not liable to
misconstruction or farfetched interpretations.
The Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam was
taken up to his Rabb from one heaven above
the other. Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jama'ah believe
that the Mi'raj was neither an illusion nor a
vision, rather real and essential. Had Allah
been everywhere, why would the Prophet
sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam be taken all the way
up to the seventh heaven? Allah would have
prescribed to him the Salah on earth rather
than in the seventh heaven.

If you still believe you Creator is everywhere, Bros you are OYO.
Be kind enough to avoid using vulgar language when starting a dialogue it will speak well of you
first...I guess uve forgotten so soon dat dere are numerous verses in the koran which lay emphasis on knowledge,intellect,and reflection...pls do well to go true dem again as a revision
Second.....the throne Allah speaks of is not a litteral throne...for when you speak of throne two things should come to a reasonable persons mind 1-d physical throne 2-is a position of majesty and royalty...the throne Allah speaks of is the position of majesty not the literal throne
Pls do well to ponder more and make more reseach b4 reaching to a conclusion

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Science/Technology / Re: Blackhole, Wormhole And Whitehole by dekatrons(m): 4:35pm On Sep 08, 2015
grin
Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 2:45pm On Sep 08, 2015
Examples of the verse are
1-but the polytheists have no knowledge of the truth and constantly avert themselves from it-21-24
2-tell men to reflect with care and see what things the heavens and the earth contain-10-101
3-............in all of these are signs for men who use their intellect-2;163-164
4.Pure and exalted is thy LORD,God the Powerful,and unique who is pure of what men in their iGNORANCE ascribe to Him-37:180
5-the worst of creatures un the sight of God are those who are deaf and dumb and do not REFLECT-8;22
Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 2:20pm On Sep 08, 2015
kennyosein:
And Fir'awn said, 'O, Haman, build for me a tower that I may reach the ways; the ways to heavens so that I may have a look at the Ilah of Musa.' [ Al-Qur'an 40:36-37] Even the enemy of Allah, Fir'awn (Pharoah), who flagrantly claimed to be a god of his people, knew Allah is above the heavens.

Bibliography;
sunnahonline.com/library/beliefs-and-methodology/180-where-is-allah

markazsunnahleicester.com/the-belief-of-the-salaf-in-allahs-elevation-istiwa-on-the-throne-scholars-after-the-salaf-part-3-of-3/

www.abovethethrone.com/arsh/

I believe this is more than enough for anyone who is sincere.
Sallam bro..will like to ask you a question pls
By saying Allah resides somewhere above the seventh heavens do you say that Allah is finite and limited to time and space cause only some1 who is limited to time and space can be present at a particular place in a particular time...if yes...are you saying Allah depends on tym and space to carry out His affairs which undoubtedly makes him imperfect? If ur ansa is no pls what do u mean?

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Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 1:46pm On Sep 08, 2015
AlBaqir:
While you guys love derailing from topics, it is of no crime to respond academically to some of your pseudo information.

quote author=Truthpallbearer post=37750710] Quran 9:100 and other related verses indicated those that are to be taken as a model and guide,


Ma sha Allah. Unfortunately you either ignorantly or purposely left verse 101 of the same Quran chapter 9 where Allah exposed bunch of Munafiq (hypocrites) among the Sahaba who used to surround the Prophet. Worst still the hypocrisy of many of them is at the peak that even the Prophet knew them not at the time of the revelation of the ayah.

Can you emulate those sort of Sahaba?

the shias reviled the companions and make takfeer of them, these statements are in their books and other than that.

Failure! It was the Prophet himself that first made Takfeer of some of them.

Imam Bukhari in his Sahih documented this hadith of Ibn Abbas:

'The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: "You will be resurrected bare-footed, naked and uncircumcised." Then he recited:{As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it: a promise We have undertaken. Truly, We shall do it} [21:104]. He continued: "The first to be dressed will be Ibrahim. Then, some of my SAHABAH will be taken towards the Right side AND TOWARDS THE LEFT SIDE. So, I will say: 'My Sahabah! It will be said, 'THEY HAD BEEN APOSTATES SINCE YOU LEFT THEM.' I will then say as the Righteous servant, 'Isa b. Maryam, said: {And I was a witness over them whilst I lived amongst them. But, when You caused me to die, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, You, only You, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise} [5:117-118]'

~Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 3 p. 1271, #3263

This hadith ends with the following:
'Muhammad b. Yusuf narrated from Abu 'Abd Allah that Qubaysah said: "They were those who apostatized during the time of Abu Bakar. So Abu Bakar, may Allah be pleased with him, fought them."

Really that was personal claim of Qubaysah. The holy prophet's wording are too explicit in the categories his sahabas will be divided. And those whom Abu Bakar fought were not even inhabitant of Medina who used to keep the holy prophet's company. The specifications of the deviators were so glaring that:

Anas b. Malik reports that
"The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "Some persons from amongst those who kept me company will meet me at the Lake-fount. I will see them, and they will be presented to me. Then, they will be forced away from me. [b]I will say: 'O my Lord, my Sahabah! My Sahabah.' It will be said to me: 'You do not know what they INNOVATED after you.'"
~Sahih Muslim, vol. 4, p. 1800, #2304 (40)

This is the true belief as per the companions of the prophet. Respect, prayers and praise to those who truly believe and never deviated from their faith. Those who apostatised should be learnt from so that we do not fall to their mistakes. Campaigning that ALL of them altogether are righteous and people of Jannah irrespective of their crimes is innovation which is contradictory against Quran and sunnah. These are the people shi'a have problem with.

For more detail on how some of your programmed robot brothers were put to the sword on this issue of "Sahaba", click the link:
https://www.nairaland.com/1903995/religious-authority-sistani-condemns-cursing

The shias and khawarij are two sides of a coin- offspring of Abdullahi ibn Saba al-Yahoodi al-salool.

Your darling Abdullah ibn Saba's card isn't gonna work any longer my brother. Just check the sanad of any boogey report on Abdullah ibn Saba in any of your prestigious book of ahadith; then you will curse your grey-beared shuyukh for deceiving you with a non-existent Abdullah ibn Saba.

Your independent research will liberate you from the shackles of programming and dogmatism
Naam,made the research some years back,to my utter bewilderment the character ibn saba neva existed in islamic history but was a fictitious character coined out by the so called followers of the sunnah to push people away from the shias seeing that a dialogue with dem will be to no avail
He also said they "the shias deceives people with dier knowledge which was their other resort seeing that the fraud of ibn saba has failed "I wonderwat kind of worshipper they think Allah is looking for may a dummy one who has no intellect or no thinking faculty. One reply to them is how can some1 without accurate knowledge of God worship him accurately and anoda is if our sole aim is to worship Allah,and Allah creates nothing in vein why has he given us intellect and made intellect one of the most important tool of the human being?.mayb they should go back to the wordings of the koran and c hw many times Allah has mentioned the importance of intellects therein..may ALLAH keep us on the right path

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Romance / Re: I'm The Cutest Girl On Nairaland (check My Photos) by dekatrons(m): 9:14am On Sep 08, 2015
jennyama:
Did i just got ma mojo back? i opened an account on Facebook and between two months my friends have increased to over four thousand. Now that i am on Nairaland i guess its still going to be the same. i guess i am the cutest girl on this Forum. Guys what do u think?

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Cheers!
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Just being realistic oh no offence meant
Romance / Re: I'm The Cutest Girl On Nairaland (check My Photos) by dekatrons(m): 9:09am On Sep 08, 2015
jennyama:
Did i just got ma mojo back? i opened an account on Facebook and between two months my friends have increased to over four thousand. Now that i am on Nairaland i guess its still going to be the same. i guess i am the cutest girl on this Forum. Guys what do u think?

Checkout more pictures on my blog: http://jennysworldng..com.ng/2015/08/check-out-my-pink-collection-pictures-1.html

Cheers!
Kiki...finest gurl on nairaland koh finest girl on nairawater ni..expected sumtin out of this world
To b realistic ure cute but not outstanding...what's the difference btw six and half a dozen
jennyama:
Did i just got ma mojo back? i opened an account on Facebook and between two months my friends have increased to over four thousand. Now that i am on Nairaland i guess its still going to be the same. i guess i am the cutest girl on this Forum. Guys what do u think?

Checkout more pictures on my blog: http://jennysworldng..com.ng/2015/08/check-out-my-pink-collection-pictures-1.html

Cheers!
Kiki...finest gurl on nairaland koh finest girl on nairawater ni..expected sumtin out of this world
To b realistic ure cute but not outstanding...what's the difference btw six and half a dozen
Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 8:39am On Sep 08, 2015
Fine work al-baqir Indeed for the intellectually sound... infact more kuli kuli to ur garri cool And for those who have eyes in their hearts let them see
Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 11:07am On Sep 07, 2015
vedaxcool:


Muslims who follow the sunnah do not depict the prophet pbuh or any prophet a.s for that matter.
Why is that?
Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 9:31am On Sep 07, 2015
vedaxcool:


Everyone can always bank you to be dishonest, how do blind people know about the world? or being blind now means one is totally locked off from information? The real bone of contention is the depiction of the Prophet pbuh in the film.
What's wrong with depicting prophet mohammad in a film if the information conveyed in the film is not contrary to His message..if I am not mistaking prophet yusuf was depicted in a sunni film which has up to eight or seven parts....is it depicting a prophet in a film that is d problem or depicting prophet mohammad in a shia film?

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Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 9:42pm On Sep 06, 2015
Truthpallbearer:
Taqiyya
Hmm..guess ure dumbfounded..that's not the issue here..only obeying the verse of the koran which says "do not let your hatred for a group of people drive you towards committing injustice",this verse and the likes are example of verses which our sunni clergy men forget when dealing with d shias instead of following the prophets method of dialogue deh result to violence and rebelliousness which in it self is a sign of defeat
I will like to mention anoda point here..It is glaring enough that the sunnis and the shias are "enemies" so to speak.now d point is why go to a sunnis to inquire about shism..if this is a correct approach why do we blame the non-muslims for going to their clergy men nd rabbis to inquire about islam
Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 1:05pm On Sep 06, 2015
Some1 once said "in life there are three groups of people 1:those who knw more than you and want to school you 2:those who know less than you and want to learn from you 3:those who have no idea abt what you knw and still want to oppose you----dnt be of the 3rd category
The great nobel lorient Maria curie also got some beautiful lines "nothing should be feared,what you should to do is understand everything"
Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 12:55pm On Sep 06, 2015
Truthpallbearer:
I don't take knowledge from those you've mentioned as they're mere celebrity speakers. I take from scholars with grey-hairs and their students
"Seek for knowledge even if it were in china" am sure u know who made dis statement,am also sure u most av noted by now dat he made dis statement wen china was a pagan nation!
Zakr naik always sets stage to dialogue with christians and hindus am sure he wouldn't av if he had no knowledge of their religious practice and views but what amaze me is dat when we speak of the shia we are always told by our clergy men that we shouldn't go to dem and deh will add a line dat bitters me "deh will stain ur faith" I always ask my self that how can a shia stain my faith wen d non muslims,the athiest and the likes can't there is only one possible "what deh possess is better than wat I have" then I made up my mind to dialogue with them nd I tell you it was the greatest moment of my life nd I have discovered that they completely different from the pictures designed,computerized and installed into our software by our clergy men
Indeed shias are my best frnds and I'm sure the same will happen to any one who dialogues with a true shia nd does it without rancor or a derogatory view but with d aim of trying to know them better

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Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 11:14am On Sep 06, 2015
Why not see the video yet,and avoid basing our judgments on hearsay...when some1 bring forth a news to u verify d news first so as to avoid spreading conspiracies.
Knowledge and key..."Do not follow that which u have no knowledge of" do personal findings of your own nd not base ur judgement on what mufti menk,zakir naik or d likes said
I am a realist smiley
Islam for Muslims / Re: Is There Anything To Hard For God To Do ? by dekatrons(m): 8:41am On Aug 30, 2015
malvisguy212:
listen!
There are Guideline which God will not step over because of WHO HE SAY HE IS, I mean, God cannot be God and be God at the same time ,God cannot create another God to be equal with Him.God will not stop being existing because The nature of God is infinite-meaning no end, He is from everlasting to everlasting. God's unchanging moral
character is a moral absolute, he changes not.

Death does not mean you stop existing ,your spirit is eternal and cannot die.

But to say God cannot have a son without a consort and LETER one of His creature have a son without a consort , is wrong
In d quoted u made mention of d fact dat Gods nature is infinite,His moral unchanging and also of Him being eternal,,is dere any human with such qualities? NO! So it is glaring dat d laws wich govern d human specie isn't dsame as dat of God..mary giving birth without a consort is a miracle permitted by God to proof his might nd power to d humans, of course he also created adam nd eve without a parent
And we knw dat when a human gives birth he gives birth to anoda human,if dis laws wich operates in d terrestial realm do dsame in d celestial den if God gives birth he will give birth to anoda God.nd u said in d above dat God cannot give birth to anoda God like Him...if dis is true has God given birth to a human? Or a God less dan him? If he has given birth to a human,what sense does it make nd if he has given birth to a God less dan him are u saying dere exists two Gods?
Please clarify me and happy sunday
Islam for Muslims / Re: Is There Anything To Hard For God To Do ? by dekatrons(m): 10:53pm On Aug 29, 2015
malvisguy212:
what your definition of death ? Death does not mean none existence, the bible say God is a spirit , spirit don't have flesh that they will die, however,
if God choses to be in none existence, He will , so I don't see the point you are trying to make here.
Funny!!..is it dat ur bible didn't tell u dat God is eternal nd u haven't reasoned for urself dat wat will make God chose to die or wat will make him chose to fart for instance or want to take a bath
Sorry to say ur questions are too illogical nd goes below intellectual standard
Yes death isn't nonexistence..but a state of unconsciousness..imagine.wat happens wen God d ruler of d universe decides to die
Neva said death is non-existence doh
Islam for Muslims / Re: Is There Anything To Hard For God To Do ? by dekatrons(m): 10:02am On Aug 29, 2015
Op...I congratulate ur inquisitiveness,well I can't say if ure asking to knw or asking to disqualify buh I will assume d earlier nd God willing we will learn for each oda
1st your topic is revolved around the fact"if mary can give birth without being laid why can't God do dsame
Here I will also put it to u dat if marry could die why can't God dsame,nd also I will like to let you knw dat everyhuman being needs a child to avoid extinction,as everyhuman will one day die so he ensures dat he leave behind sum1 dat will inherit him..can dis case b applied to God? Will God go extinct? If no why den will he need a child....nd finally if u say God needs a child u nullify d fact that He is FREE OF NEED...nd if u nullify Dat very important fact ure saying HE is vulnurable and imperfect
Jokes Etc / Re: When You Run Without Knowing Why by dekatrons(m): 3:07pm On Jul 27, 2015
Seyi law sadSeyi law
Jokes Etc / If Wishes Were Horses by dekatrons(m): 10:50pm On Jun 09, 2015
Akpos and Musa were caught in a Northern african
country, sharing a smuggled barrel of beer. They
were arrested and taken to the Sheik's palace for
questioning and judgment.
Akpos lied that Musa smuggled and forced him to
drink the beer! Both were initially given a death
sentence but, as it was a national holiday, the Sheik
decided they should be released after some lashes of
the whip. As they were preparing for their
punishment, the Sheik said, "It's my first wife's
birthday today and she asked me to allow each of you
2 wishes before your whipping, but you cannot wish
not to be whipped!"
Akpos thought for a second then said: "Please tie two
pillows to my back before whipping." And my second
wish is that you flog me only 20 strokes of the whip.
He was whipped, and luckily for him, the pillows
helped to make the pain of the whip lesser.
Musa saw this; thought for a second, then said:
"Thank you, most royal and merciful highness for the
wishes. My first wish is to receive 100 lashes with the
strongest, toughest whip available.", Akpos laughed
and thought Musa was a fool...The Sheik replied with
a puzzled look on his face," and your second wish?"
Musa replied "Tie Akpors to my back!"
Jokes Etc / Two Assholes by dekatrons(m): 9:43pm On Jun 07, 2015
Bubba dies in a fire and his body is pretty badly
burnt. The morgue sends for his two best friends,
Daryl and Gomer, to identify the body. Daryl arrives
first, and when the mortician pulls back the sheet,
Daryl says, "Yup, his face is burnt up pretty bad. You
better roll him over."
The mortician rolls him over, and Daryl says, "Nope,
ain't Bubba."
The mortician thinks this is strange. Then he brings
Gomer in to identify the body. Gomer takes a look at
the face and says, "Yup, he's pretty well burnt up. Roll
him over."
The mortician rolls him over and Gomer says, "No, it
ain't Bubba."
The mortician asks, "How can you tell?"
Gomer said, "Well, Bubba had two a**holes."
"What? He had two assholes?!" Exclaims the
mortician.
"Yup, every time we went to town, folks would say,
"Here comes Bubba with his two assholes."

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