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|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 6:02pm On Sep 17, 2015|
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 8:33am On Sep 14, 2015|
tbaba1234:Haha...yes indeed saying Allah exists outside the universe bcause the universe is finite means that HE is "INFINITE" so to say which affirm to our point that HE is everywhere And no-where...cause there is no such place that is infinite and that HAS no beginning that we can point at and say Allah is there or there
If the question is meaningless I tink it automatically means that ur previous post is likewise cause d question was only the result of ur post
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 9:20pm On Sep 13, 2015|
tbaba1234:Do u mean dat Allah must exist in a place wit no beginning nd isn infinite....is dere such a place? Pls I'll like to knw.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 6:57pm On Sep 13, 2015|
sino:well bro I see u dnt understand the implications of d words uve been using earlier..what could it mean if some1 says that Allah has a hand or a leg a face and even sits on a throne if not finitude...2nd is most muslims unanimously agree that Allah is above His creation the point of incoherence is deir approach to dat statement in d sense dat is d word above used in terms of loftiness and majesty or in terms of position?
As for the 3rd point..I am not a scholar nor a saint but a student of knowledge,nd in my quest for knowledge I av tried my best to avoid being sentimental as the saying goes look at d message not the messenger...but d case is different with what I av seen here so far what deh do is ask which sect dis person or dat person belongs to not paying attention to His message
Lol..I guess what you guys do is make a literal interpretation of d holy koran..wow if dats d case dere will be no point in pondering on it since all we av to do is translate it literally and the verse which asks us to ponder on the koran will make no sense,why ponder on it when everything is glaring..nd the verse which says "many will be guided aright by it and many will be led astray by it will also make no meaning if it is glaring nd should b taken literally why will it guide people astray, is it that it contains some controversies
And thirdly the verse which says Allah guides alright whom ever He wishes and leads astray whom ever he desires wen taken literally will mean that Allah selects some people and guides them and then leads astray oda people...which will also be a contradiction to d verse which says "for those who strives in our path we shall indeed guide dem in our path"....I guess ure getting a lot of things wrong bro,, the koran needs us to ponder on it frequently nd decipher the hidden treasures within it
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 10:32pm On Sep 12, 2015|
One tin I av noticed in dis discussion is that both sides bring verses from the koran to support dier views about God.....one group(saying God is finite) bring forth dier verses nd do not even bother about the 2nd groups verses whereas the second group (saying God is everywhere) also bring forth verses to support dier claim but unlike the 1st group also try to dier utmost to explain the verses from the group.
The first group should also try to do justice to d 2nd group's claims by trying to explain d verses d bring forth nd not resulting to an unintelligible and unfathomable claim that intellect cannot be used to explain d word of the koran...if this is so the non-muslims too will be correct if they say God is five,seven or even hundred and when we ask why deh say, intelligence cannot be applied in dis realm yet we "crucify" dem for it....
I think intelligence is what makes you distinguish btw correct and incorrect,ryt and wrong,true or false even the koran exclaimed "when a person brings forth a news to you do verify the news".. for verification requires intelligence
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 1:20pm On Sep 10, 2015|
Here is a statement from imam ali on the ESSENCE OF GOD
HE is the One,but not in a numerical sense
He is not confined to limits nor counted by numbers
He who points at HIM,admits for Him limitations,and he who admits limitation for Him has numbered Him
He who qualifies Him limits Him.He who limits Him numbers Him.He who numbers Him denies His pre-eternity-----the peak of eloquence
Food for thought-whose saying will you follow ALI's or muhawiyahs'?
Again saying He as an eye,a leg and a mouth refutes the saying "there is non like Unto Him" for - too have an eyes,legs and face
If you den say he is finite why condemn d non muslims for speaking about trinity....since your God and theirs can be counted?
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 12:51pm On Sep 10, 2015|
Indeed "ALLAH is closer to us than our jugular vein"
This verse suffices our point that Allah is not sought of a pHySiCAL bEING....if HE was dat would mean dat HE created HIM SELF or sumtin else created him lo! No muslim will subscribe to dat point indeed
Anoda verse I will like to point out is "you are neva in a state nor do you ever recite a verse of the quran or engage in any other action,without my being INSTANTLY aware of it,not a single atom in the heaven and the earth is hidden from your LORD;what ever exists whether smaller or bigger than an atom is recorded In a clear book(divine knowledge)---quran 10vr61
In the above verse He made mention of His instant awareness of everybody's actions nd even of everything...indeed this is impossible for any physical being it is only logically position if such a being is present everywhere
Finally you cannot expect us to just accept what muhawiyah said about d prophet since muhawiyah's conduct during His life time were questionable
We only take the wordings of such people whom the quran speaks of in this context "verily ur sovereigns are ALLAH,AND the pRoPHET AND those who uphold ritual prayer and give alms while bowing down(in prayer)-quran5:55
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 11:08am On Sep 10, 2015|
AlBaqir:Damn!! You just killed it bro
Will love to know you beta in sha ALLAH
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 1:10pm On Sep 09, 2015|
babylolaroy:Since question wasn't directed to me courtesy demand that I should allow the appropriate person answer the above question
But I will also like to ask you a question,saying Allah attributed an eye a hand a mouth to Himself do you by any means mean dat He possess needs in d sense that He needs the eyes to see,the mouth to talk,the hand nd feet to move? If yes are you going against His attribute which says He is free of need?...if no...what sense does it make having what you dnt need...since ALLAH Does nothing in vein....
pls be kind to throw more light on this really want to know what you actually mean
|Science/Technology / Re: Blackhole, Wormhole And Whitehole by dekatrons(m): 9:38pm On Sep 08, 2015|
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 5:02pm On Sep 08, 2015|
kennyosein:Be kind enough to avoid using vulgar language when starting a dialogue it will speak well of you
first...I guess uve forgotten so soon dat dere are numerous verses in the koran which lay emphasis on knowledge,intellect,and reflection...pls do well to go true dem again as a revision
Second.....the throne Allah speaks of is not a litteral throne...for when you speak of throne two things should come to a reasonable persons mind 1-d physical throne 2-is a position of majesty and royalty...the throne Allah speaks of is the position of majesty not the literal throne
Pls do well to ponder more and make more reseach b4 reaching to a conclusion
|Science/Technology / Re: Blackhole, Wormhole And Whitehole by dekatrons(m): 4:35pm On Sep 08, 2015|
|Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 2:45pm On Sep 08, 2015|
Examples of the verse are
1-but the polytheists have no knowledge of the truth and constantly avert themselves from it-21-24
2-tell men to reflect with care and see what things the heavens and the earth contain-10-101
3-............in all of these are signs for men who use their intellect-2;163-164
4.Pure and exalted is thy LORD,God the Powerful,and unique who is pure of what men in their iGNORANCE ascribe to Him-37:180
5-the worst of creatures un the sight of God are those who are deaf and dumb and do not REFLECT-8;22
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 2:20pm On Sep 08, 2015|
kennyosein:Sallam bro..will like to ask you a question pls
By saying Allah resides somewhere above the seventh heavens do you say that Allah is finite and limited to time and space cause only some1 who is limited to time and space can be present at a particular place in a particular time...if yes...are you saying Allah depends on tym and space to carry out His affairs which undoubtedly makes him imperfect? If ur ansa is no pls what do u mean?
|Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 1:46pm On Sep 08, 2015|
AlBaqir:Naam,made the research some years back,to my utter bewilderment the character ibn saba neva existed in islamic history but was a fictitious character coined out by the so called followers of the sunnah to push people away from the shias seeing that a dialogue with dem will be to no avail
He also said they "the shias deceives people with dier knowledge which was their other resort seeing that the fraud of ibn saba has failed "I wonderwat kind of worshipper they think Allah is looking for may a dummy one who has no intellect or no thinking faculty. One reply to them is how can some1 without accurate knowledge of God worship him accurately and anoda is if our sole aim is to worship Allah,and Allah creates nothing in vein why has he given us intellect and made intellect one of the most important tool of the human being?.mayb they should go back to the wordings of the koran and c hw many times Allah has mentioned the importance of intellects therein..may ALLAH keep us on the right path
|Romance / Re: I'm The Cutest Girl On Nairaland (check My Photos) by dekatrons(m): 9:14am On Sep 08, 2015|
jennyama:Kiki...finest gurl on nairaland koh finest girl on nairawater ni..your mirror is deceptive...I will rate you 11.11percent if I am to rate
Just being realistic oh no offence meant
|Romance / Re: I'm The Cutest Girl On Nairaland (check My Photos) by dekatrons(m): 9:09am On Sep 08, 2015|
jennyama:Kiki...finest gurl on nairaland koh finest girl on nairawater ni..expected sumtin out of this world
To b realistic ure cute but not outstanding...what's the difference btw six and half a dozen
jennyama:Kiki...finest gurl on nairaland koh finest girl on nairawater ni..expected sumtin out of this world
To b realistic ure cute but not outstanding...what's the difference btw six and half a dozen
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Where Is Allah? An Intellectual Discourse by dekatrons(m): 8:39am On Sep 08, 2015|
Fine work al-baqir Indeed for the intellectually sound... infact more kuli kuli to ur garri And for those who have eyes in their hearts let them see
|Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 11:07am On Sep 07, 2015|
vedaxcool:Why is that?
|Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 9:31am On Sep 07, 2015|
vedaxcool:What's wrong with depicting prophet mohammad in a film if the information conveyed in the film is not contrary to His message..if I am not mistaking prophet yusuf was depicted in a sunni film which has up to eight or seven parts....is it depicting a prophet in a film that is d problem or depicting prophet mohammad in a shia film?
|Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 9:42pm On Sep 06, 2015|
Truthpallbearer:Hmm..guess ure dumbfounded..that's not the issue here..only obeying the verse of the koran which says "do not let your hatred for a group of people drive you towards committing injustice",this verse and the likes are example of verses which our sunni clergy men forget when dealing with d shias instead of following the prophets method of dialogue deh result to violence and rebelliousness which in it self is a sign of defeat
I will like to mention anoda point here..It is glaring enough that the sunnis and the shias are "enemies" so to speak.now d point is why go to a sunnis to inquire about shism..if this is a correct approach why do we blame the non-muslims for going to their clergy men nd rabbis to inquire about islam
|Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 1:05pm On Sep 06, 2015|
Some1 once said "in life there are three groups of people 1:those who knw more than you and want to school you 2:those who know less than you and want to learn from you 3:those who have no idea abt what you knw and still want to oppose you----dnt be of the 3rd category
The great nobel lorient Maria curie also got some beautiful lines "nothing should be feared,what you should to do is understand everything"
|Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 12:55pm On Sep 06, 2015|
Truthpallbearer:"Seek for knowledge even if it were in china" am sure u know who made dis statement,am also sure u most av noted by now dat he made dis statement wen china was a pagan nation!
Zakr naik always sets stage to dialogue with christians and hindus am sure he wouldn't av if he had no knowledge of their religious practice and views but what amaze me is dat when we speak of the shia we are always told by our clergy men that we shouldn't go to dem and deh will add a line dat bitters me "deh will stain ur faith" I always ask my self that how can a shia stain my faith wen d non muslims,the athiest and the likes can't there is only one possible "what deh possess is better than wat I have" then I made up my mind to dialogue with them nd I tell you it was the greatest moment of my life nd I have discovered that they completely different from the pictures designed,computerized and installed into our software by our clergy men
Indeed shias are my best frnds and I'm sure the same will happen to any one who dialogues with a true shia nd does it without rancor or a derogatory view but with d aim of trying to know them better
|Islam for Muslims / Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 11:14am On Sep 06, 2015|
Why not see the video yet,and avoid basing our judgments on hearsay...when some1 bring forth a news to u verify d news first so as to avoid spreading conspiracies.
Knowledge and key..."Do not follow that which u have no knowledge of" do personal findings of your own nd not base ur judgement on what mufti menk,zakir naik or d likes said
I am a realist
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Is There Anything To Hard For God To Do ? by dekatrons(m): 8:41am On Aug 30, 2015|
malvisguy212:In d quoted u made mention of d fact dat Gods nature is infinite,His moral unchanging and also of Him being eternal,,is dere any human with such qualities? NO! So it is glaring dat d laws wich govern d human specie isn't dsame as dat of God..mary giving birth without a consort is a miracle permitted by God to proof his might nd power to d humans, of course he also created adam nd eve without a parent
And we knw dat when a human gives birth he gives birth to anoda human,if dis laws wich operates in d terrestial realm do dsame in d celestial den if God gives birth he will give birth to anoda God.nd u said in d above dat God cannot give birth to anoda God like Him...if dis is true has God given birth to a human? Or a God less dan him? If he has given birth to a human,what sense does it make nd if he has given birth to a God less dan him are u saying dere exists two Gods?
Please clarify me and happy sunday
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Is There Anything To Hard For God To Do ? by dekatrons(m): 10:53pm On Aug 29, 2015|
malvisguy212:Funny!!..is it dat ur bible didn't tell u dat God is eternal nd u haven't reasoned for urself dat wat will make God chose to die or wat will make him chose to fart for instance or want to take a bath
Sorry to say ur questions are too illogical nd goes below intellectual standard
Yes death isn't nonexistence..but a state of unconsciousness..imagine.wat happens wen God d ruler of d universe decides to die
Neva said death is non-existence doh
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Is There Anything To Hard For God To Do ? by dekatrons(m): 10:02am On Aug 29, 2015|
Op...I congratulate ur inquisitiveness,well I can't say if ure asking to knw or asking to disqualify buh I will assume d earlier nd God willing we will learn for each oda
1st your topic is revolved around the fact"if mary can give birth without being laid why can't God do dsame
Here I will also put it to u dat if marry could die why can't God dsame,nd also I will like to let you knw dat everyhuman being needs a child to avoid extinction,as everyhuman will one day die so he ensures dat he leave behind sum1 dat will inherit him..can dis case b applied to God? Will God go extinct? If no why den will he need a child....nd finally if u say God needs a child u nullify d fact that He is FREE OF NEED...nd if u nullify Dat very important fact ure saying HE is vulnurable and imperfect
|Jokes Etc / Re: When You Run Without Knowing Why by dekatrons(m): 3:07pm On Jul 27, 2015|
Seyi law Seyi law
|Jokes Etc / If Wishes Were Horses by dekatrons(m): 10:50pm On Jun 09, 2015|
Akpos and Musa were caught in a Northern african
country, sharing a smuggled barrel of beer. They
were arrested and taken to the Sheik's palace for
questioning and judgment.
Akpos lied that Musa smuggled and forced him to
drink the beer! Both were initially given a death
sentence but, as it was a national holiday, the Sheik
decided they should be released after some lashes of
the whip. As they were preparing for their
punishment, the Sheik said, "It's my first wife's
birthday today and she asked me to allow each of you
2 wishes before your whipping, but you cannot wish
not to be whipped!"
Akpos thought for a second then said: "Please tie two
pillows to my back before whipping." And my second
wish is that you flog me only 20 strokes of the whip.
He was whipped, and luckily for him, the pillows
helped to make the pain of the whip lesser.
Musa saw this; thought for a second, then said:
"Thank you, most royal and merciful highness for the
wishes. My first wish is to receive 100 lashes with the
strongest, toughest whip available.", Akpos laughed
and thought Musa was a fool...The Sheik replied with
a puzzled look on his face," and your second wish?"
Musa replied "Tie Akpors to my back!"
|Jokes Etc / Two Assholes by dekatrons(m): 9:43pm On Jun 07, 2015|
Bubba dies in a fire and his body is pretty badly
burnt. The morgue sends for his two best friends,
Daryl and Gomer, to identify the body. Daryl arrives
first, and when the mortician pulls back the sheet,
Daryl says, "Yup, his face is burnt up pretty bad. You
better roll him over."
The mortician rolls him over, and Daryl says, "Nope,
The mortician thinks this is strange. Then he brings
Gomer in to identify the body. Gomer takes a look at
the face and says, "Yup, he's pretty well burnt up. Roll
The mortician rolls him over and Gomer says, "No, it
The mortician asks, "How can you tell?"
Gomer said, "Well, Bubba had two a**holes."
"What? He had two assholes?!" Exclaims the
"Yup, every time we went to town, folks would say,
"Here comes Bubba with his two assholes."
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