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yelsew80: ^ Sadly, I've just realized that like your cousin Demdemoron, you arent worth the stress. I've told you my facts and all you can point to is an interview dotted with halftruths by someone who by his own admission "can not give the official position of ASUU" and you think thats enough to base an argument on? I've had a very good day please dont ruin it with your nonsense.

take dat: You are discovered in a bare-faced lie, and now want to bully it out even when apprised of the truth. Prove to us that UNIBEN lecturers have received their allowance(s), since we have someone from ASUU contesting your claim and stop making up poorly fabricated tales of fictitious lecturer friends. Wretched lies of a fatuous oaf!

andresia: Give it a rest, demdem, evry1 here know you are an irredeemable and senseless arch bigot. Sincerely, this country will be far better off wthout your likes

theoctopus: You have never been intelligent and you seem to be getting worse by the day. Just imagine the kind of crap you post. Very low stuff

Akanbi_edu: Demdem abeg give up. You lost this one.

Akanbi, Infact sleep dey catch me sef.

0monnakoda: Your problem is English. "Assistance" and "The Assistance" are NOT quite the same thing.

Assistance could be monetary ,Yes but it might no be. We are talking about an "agreement" with "commitment" There is nothing stopping the FG making grants ,endowments or Gifts to State Universities. That is NOT the same as payents within a "binding agreement" which need to be specified for it to be binding. What was specifically mentioned in that agreement was a sum of money per student with the words "shall require" without any mention of "FROM WHOM" . That is NOT a binding statement AT ALL

Akanbi_edu: They got millions, Unilorin got its freedom. win win

0monnakoda: Back to subject .
There is no agreement to put FG money in state universities. You can try as much as you like to shift or broaden the discussion . However my main issue with you was that there is no FG money going to state Universities as far as the agreement goes. Once we agree on that FACTUAL DETAIL we can discuss other things but let us not get ahead of ourselves

Demdem: But state universities were extensively discussed and it was agreed that the FG will render "assistance" to them as stated in the agreement

It's also a fact that states lecturers are also on strike.

Remember also that u stated that the "assistance" could be monetary, legislative ...... Etc as the case may be.

Demdem: [b]If not for Foolish and miserable leaders of which Jonathan was a chief player when the agreement was signed we wouldn't be where we are today.

As beautiful as the agreement is i have always been uncomfortable with FG funding States universities (that is my only issue with the agreement). I wont Blame ASUU because as a Union, the interest of its members and constituencies comes first.
In our individual lives, when we negotiate, we make sure we position and present ourselves on a positive footing to get the best and that ASUU simply did and should be praised for doing a good job. They caught the killer party by the balls.

Having said this, an agreement is an agreement. The idea that its not implementable is pure rubbish. As long as our govt continue to have enough resources for frivolities like food, cars, gates, foreign trips, presidential jets, NASS expenses, executive recklessness running into billions yearly, only the extremely foolish will believe such crap.
UNICEF recommends 26% of a country's budget to education, as it is today we are not even close to half of that. For me, 20% to education should be the starting point.

Here to me is the way foward from this stalemate.

1) Considering the fact that our govt has to live to his words and responsible, Jonathan should immediately implement the full details of the agreement since day 1 when it was signed till Oct 31st 2013. The govt is bound to abide by its signed agreement. u dont change the goal post when the play is ongoing.

2) ASUU should immediately call off the strike as soon as (1) is done.

3) Jonathan should immediately call for re-negotiation of the FG/ASUU agreement to reflect current global practices and country's capabilities.

(3) should never be implemented before (2) because it will cause a very bad precedence and (2) should never be considered before (1) because the FG will term his citizens has fools. they all should follow sequentially as i have proposed.

Hopefully by the time we get to (3) Jonathan will ensure that far more smarter peeps than him will be employed to negotiate on behalf of the FG. ASUU will always have good representations no doubt.[/b]

Akanbi_edu: How I wish the FG can give these mumu lecturers Ilorin treatment.

0monnakoda: Extensively Really did they send you the minutes? I read the expression "GENERAL ASSISTANCE" . That could mean ANYTHING but it is important to understand the legislative and constitutional framework for establishing Universities,accrediting them etc .Also for determining curricula,engagement with NYSC etc . It is unreasonable NOT to engage with the FG when discussing universities or to say FG should totally alienate itself from universities because it does not own them as you seem to be suggesting or in the converse that discussion or agreement to assist implies budgetary commitment. You wish to be intellectual but your thinking is blunt and crude like tryin to open a can of sardines with a hammer

Oo I see, its strictly because of this constitutional and legislative frameworks and not monetary issues that states lecturers also decides to join their federal colleagues from day one.
U are fast becoming a joke.

0monnakoda: There is NO FG FUNDING OF STATE UNIVERSITIES.

But state universities were extensively discussed and it was agreed that the FG will render "assistance" to them as stated in the agreement

It's also a fact that states lecturers are also on strike.

0monnakoda: You are the one that needs an education in one of these universities. Try and calm down when reading English it is not a strong point for you. You made so much fuss about the FG funding the state universities. It is clear that "THERE IS NO COMMITMENT OF ONE KOBO OF FG MONEY " in any agreement. That is NOT a play on words that is reality.
"ASSISTANCE" is a nebulous term that can mean ANYTHING in a binding agreement it would need to be defined. Unless you are able to provide an AGREED DEFINITION of what "ASSISTANCE" means in this context please STOP MAKING NOISE. The reference to the constitution is NOT accidental , "assistance" could mean money,it could mean legislation it could mean advice ,it could mean support for "FOREIGN" loans ,in short it coud mean ...............ANYTHING.
You are not a bright fellow and what is worse is you lack insight into your predicament

Demdem: And yet the nose becomes bigger and longer. No qualms. this has nothing to do with ur father. am aint interested in that.

The issues are clear.

Was states Universities discussed in rounds of Negotiation with FG? O YES.

Was it agreed that FG should render assistance to state governments and proprietors of Universities? O YES

Was funding for States Universities discussed? O YES.

Play with words as much as u can, it will never negates the above as presented by the Agreement.

Demdem:

My position is clear. What is FG's business in discussing about schools they dont own in a federal state like Nigeria. If states universities lecturers think the agreement has nothing to do with them then why is it that most of them are on strike with federal ASUU?

As to the minimum wage, to the disgust of states the FG reached an agreement with labour and its a taboo for any state to pay less than that.

Stick to ur on version of the agreement and let me stick to mine, i prefer not to dissipate energy on whether FG has a commitment to states universities or not instead i prefer to dissipate such on the need to implement the agreement signed with ASUU.

0monnakoda: There is nothing here that commits ONE KOBO of Federal Government money to State Universities. Nothing . "Shall require" does not indicate from "WHOM"

As far as this nose thing is concerned I am not your father so do not conflate us and direct remarks to me that you should direct to him. If you are not happy with your nose or his nose call a family meeting

Clement Chup is the zonal coordinator of the Academic Staff Union of Universities (ASUU) in Abuja. Chup, in this interview, hints that there is no end in sight to the four months old strike by the university teachers which has kept students at home.

The Minister of Education recently said ASUU strike would be over in a few months. What is the
position of ASUU?

I may not be in a position to give you the official position of ASUU, it is the National President that would give you the official position, but I want to tell you that there is a lot of insincerity on the part of government and, because government has the machinery of propaganda at their disposal, they disseminate a lot of falsehood to the general public.

We are not talking about what government wants to do; what we are talking about is the implementation of an agreement which was signed by government and our union. So what government should be explaining is the morality for the implementation; so far, government has not come out to say this is what we will do.

Rather, what government is trying to do is to run away from the agreement and we cannot accept that because the agreement is binding. Government must be honorable and responsible and implement the agreement.

To buttress their insincerity, government would claim, and they have been telling the general public, that they released N100 billion two months ago. Up till now that we are talking, one kobo has not been released to any university, that is to tell you how insincere government is.

So when they say we would as from next year make budgetary provision for so so and so amount, the question we should be asking ourselves is , what was spelt out in the agreement, which we are insisting they should implement? They cannot even give you an answer. In as much as we painfully went into this strike and, in as much as we are painfully pursuing this strike, in as much as we want this strike to end, we cannot just end it without achieving the purpose for which we went on the strike. So, as long as government does not show any sincerity to implement the agreement, the strike continues.

Can you react to government’s allegation that ASUU is politicizing the strike?

Well, a thief always thinks that every other person is a thief; because they believe politics is all about falsehood, they think others are reasoning like them. But the question they should be asking is, does ASUU have basis for going on this strike? Let anyone of them come out and say no. Does the agreement exist and did the Federal Government sign the agreement? The answer is yes.

Why are they refusing to implement it? Like I said earlier, they have the machinery for propaganda at their disposal they can disseminate whatever false information they want and they think everybody is like them. We are a union of intellectuals we don’t just come out to say anything or do anything, we subject it to scrutiny.

We cannot become like them; it was said even by government at the highest quarters, but you would recall they have not told us how, what manner of politics has come in and let Nigerians know.

They said ASUU has been politicized. How? and it has been influenced by the opposition. The question we should ask is by which opposition. We look at them as politicians and all this claim is a tool by the Federal Government to blackmail us cheaply and we know they cannot succeed.

How many meetings have you had so far with the Federal Government and are the meetings on-going?

I prefer when you talk about meetings and discussions because there have been no negotiations going on but there are discussions, because you already have something to work with because when you have an agreement, it is a product of negotiation and it took us three years and I want to emphasize, three years, to arrive at that document called the 2009 agreement and, for you to arrive at an agreement, you must have made concessions. We have the document, it is for government to honour it.

We would not refuse any invitation by anybody. The Federal Government has been calling us for discussions and we have been going. So, as long as they call us we will go, probably they want to tell us how they are going to implement the agreement.

It was reported that the Federal Government has increased the N30 billion it released for earned allowance to N40 billion. Is this true?

The Federal Government didn’t consult us before they released the N30 billion. You see the insincerity? We were discussing how to implement the 2009 agreement and they simply went and released money to the universities, without any template, to cause further problems in the universities. So, if they have decided to add, and it was not part of the agreement, if they want to give universities award, they should go ahead.

If somebody wants to give you award, you won’t reject it, but we know that we have an agreement and you should implement the agreement and when you want to implement the agreement, you are supposed to carry us along.

Government is using this to blackmail us cheaply, and the next thing they would say is they have ‘released money, why won’t you call off the strike?’

We are not part of it and we have refused to participate in it and, in all the universities, you can ask, our members are not participating in the sharing of that money because it was not part of the agreement.

Public sympathy on the strike, what is ASUU doing about this?

We are taking that into consideration. You know one thing about public sympathy, it can easily change depending on circumstances, but what we are looking at is the fact of the matter and the truth on ground. Now if you look at it, people that are heroes historically were called rebels, even in the Bible, Jesus Christ was called a rebel, the people he was dying for were the ones shouting ‘crucify him’. ASUU stands for the truth to advance the cause of education in Nigeria. And also the cause of this country because by the time government becomes responsible, it will benefit not only education but also everybody. It is will be a stepping stone, then people will realize that government carries some responsibilities. For now, we are appealing to the public but we know we are fighting a just cause and we will continue. There are people who feel ASUU should call off the strike and then come back for negotiation?

There are no negotiations going on; so which negotiation are we going to allow or are we saying we should allow implementation?
Where was government when we were giving warnings? This is part of the insincerity by government we are talking about.

How many times did ASUU warn the Federal Government?

We wrote 53 letters since February 2012 and each of the letters was made public. There is none of our National Executive meetings we would not publish advertorial in newspapers and warnings constantly. We even visited some eminent Nigerians and urged them to talk to the Federal Government to honour the 2009 agreement.

We told them then we would eventually go on strike and it would not be good for anybody but they kept quiet; it is now they realize that there should be truce, truce for what?

All we want from the Federal Government is to tell ASUU how they are going to implement the 2009 agreement, that is all. Government cannot run away from the agreement; we must work based on the agreement.

But the Federal Government said it cannot implement some of the things in the agreement? It said the idea of releasing N400 billion per annum is not realistic?

Who signed it? Ask them. Looking at the kind of government we have in this country, only last week, the government said it was getting ready to bail out the aviation sector for the second time. They feel this sector is important because they fly;

But they have forgotten about most Nigerians that travel by road. Is it not Government money they are going to use? Where did they get the trillions they are going to use?

Nigeria is supposed to commence the operation of national carrier before the end of this year – that is more of a priority to them. Education is not. You see the outrageous expenditure for those in government. Does that give the impression that the nation doesn’t have money? A few days ago, the Central Bank came out to tell us that in nine months, the nation made over N6 trillion and our budget is just over N4 trillion. They shouldn’t come out with the falsehood that the nation cannot afford to implement some parts of the 2009 agreement.

Meanwhile, the Secretary to the Government of the Federation mid-wifed the memorandum of understanding that they are saying they cannot release, that is the insincerity we are talking about.

Is there end in sight to the four months old ASUU strike?

We don’t know, it is not for us to end it. When government is ready, we are ready.

What specifically does ASUU want the Federal Government to do?

We don’t want a fresh negotiation. When we wanted to go on strike, there was referendum in all our branches and they said until there is substantial evidence of implementation the 2009 agreement, we shall not suspend the strike. All we are saying is that the agreement should be implemented.

There is nothing new about it, it is what we have been saying since the strike started and even before we went on strike. So let the Federal Government go on and implement the 2009 agreement. We cannot abrogate our agreement – on it we stand.

We are doing our best to give updates but you will agree with me that we are handicapped and we don’t have the quantum of resources that Federal Government has for propaganda. You will agree with me that is a challenge on its own. That is not to say that we are not doing our best trying to explain to Nigerians our situation.

http://myschool.com.ng/school/news/22939/no-retreat-no-surrender-fg-is-deceiving-nigerians-acirc-ASUU-leader.html

eaglechild: To show you how ridiculous you sound substitute tribal with racist.

andresia: Msg for demdem, willy7willy, berem, dayokanu, pointB, Freeglobe, eko ile, sladie walex, and oda arch bigots who see tins only thru d myopic view of their tribes

bestview:
Don't mind the clowns..

No sane Anambran will vote the Islamic Yorobar Party APC..that is a fact!

Eze Promoe: [color=crimson]You nko?
Do you vote any party apart from ACN/APC in your states?[/color]

Ahasco: Whether you like it or not you are cursed. If you don't believe me go check your HB, retard

yelsew80: Was it my "lie" you were quoting when you made this post below in the previous page of this same thread?



Your own words standing against you dude! What a shameless and classless liar you are. I'm sure by now I've proven your foolishness beyond reasonable doubt as everyone now knows you're someone that'll employ the dirtiest tactic to sound reasonable even though you fail woefully each time. I wont even honour you with a response hencefoth, you can rollover and die for all I care.

Ahasco: Demdem abi wetin dem dey call u? You are still ranting nonsense! What yesew80 said is true, you never seem to make sense whenever you argue an issue. Especially the part where you insult and abuse a sitting president in public. To be sincere with you, let me tell you that you are not only a disgrace to mankind but you are also piling up curse on your generation!

0monnakoda: Long Nose ? Are you mad or just high on drugs? People just come here and talk all kinds of nonsense. Did you even read what I wrote before you started spitting like a snake. Did I say you advocated anything
You have continued talking about your opposition to an FG/ASUU agreement to fund state Universities. Read my lips THERE IS NO SUCH AGREEMENT. If you have the WORDING of this "AGREEMENT" share it. You believe that there is a deal that was reached between ASUU and the FG that somehow commits the FG to funding state Universities Where does this belief come from
I said there is no where in any agreement that commits the FG to funding state Universities. You keep talking about that but it is non-existent. Wher did you read that there was such an agreement. You just hear a rumour and start shoutin "we no go gree" without checking your facts.
Maybe English is a problem for you but I will make it simple your opposition to a so called agreement is bogus because such an agreement does not exist. The FG is not able to make agreements that are binding on state universities because the FG DOES NOT FUND STATE UNIVERSITIES.
I gave you the examples of the minimum wage and CONMESS but you just continue to rant without pausing to think what you are actually ranting about

Eze Promoe: [color=crimson]The presidential election is a very different matter, besides Igbos did not present a candidate but they all massively supported Jonathan.
But for Anambra to have a governor that will be saying 'yes sir' to the likes of Tinubu and Fashola? No!
Though I won't be voting, but I trust my Anambra peeps to know what is right for them![/color]

yelsew80: Being called a liar is something I really take personal cos I try my best to stick to the facts in all my arguments,