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Kikikiki...I love all good detribalized people- igbos inclusive. Abeg change your mentality sha.

codemaniacs:
embrace your igboness.

Ori e pe....thank you and enjoy your Saturday.

codemaniacs:
from what you've written , I know all I need to about you..

Well, if you know me, I seldom ignore people even if I feel they aren't making sense.For me, it's respect and I believe there's a lot to be learnt from those considered foolish. I only refrain when the discuss isn't adding value.
I can be passionate about issues but I'm mindful of who I am.

Now away from me to you.
You assume a lot....but I find it humorous sha.
At least ki a pon yin le

codemaniacs:
you're a pro at deflecting..

you're accusing me of what I'm accusing you of...

you're still discussing with me as long as you keep replying my quotes

you are the bitter one..

you didn't see anything wrong in a person who was indiscriminately shooting at Yoruba women and children and even killing his superiors just because they were Yoruba...

you're like b:uhari if not worse...

codemaniacs:
now you're speaking Yoruba just to deflect from your violent I:gbo supremacists ideologies.

You don't know me.. I would have continued discussing with you but I found that you are so opinionated and assumes a lot.In your mind anyone who doesn't view things your way must be either an om'ale or IBO.
To be honest, I don't like people who are bitter.

You should be doing comedy...But please work on your temperament...kai...you sure say you no be IBO? Because agidi IBO leleyi o

codemaniacs:
I'm using my brain perfectly..

you're incapable of hypnotizing me with your gibberish...


you see your problem, for you its about winning while for me its about facts..

this is not about winning,

its about preventing you from rewriting Nze:ogwu's violent and igbo-supremacist history..

Ore otito na...
You don win ....Mabinu .. I just gave you a like.

codemaniacs:
you will only stop reading because it doesn't fit your narrative and you're talking to someone more objective than you.

an objective person will have read the whole comment but like I said you're a violent pro-igbo supremacist so you're automatically against anything that does not fit your narrative and anything you can't rewrite to confuse and convince naive non-igbo people.

codemaniacs:
like I said, you have a long way to go...

You're an I:gbo supremacist whose trying to be clever by half..

Kikikiki...Igbo supremacist because i want you to use your brain?
OK o

codemaniacs:
I am a very objective person... the killing of Yorubas by Nzeogwu happened in the north...

so if a Yoruba soldier does it then yes that soldier is a violent pro-Yoruba supremacist not nationalist... the important word here is violent...

I actually stopped reading when I got here.
An objective person would have found out more...and asked some questions.
Anyways, let's leave it at that

codemaniacs:
It is impossible to marginalize an ethnic nation that has a region to itself or is the majority in a region.

Oga , are you sure you wrote this on a public forum where you have intelligent realists?

It is not marginalisation when Buhari leaves because that's what government and politics is about, there will always be change of staff and ministers when a new president is elected.

The people and ministers that worked with Trump are no longer at the white house but to you that means Biden is marginalizing them.

You have a long way to go

This is comparing oranges and apples, friend.The issues are not even the same.
Comparing America with Nigeria? Na wa for your analysis sha

Oga be objective na...so if a Yoruba soldier does same in the North, he automatically becomes a pro-Yoruba nationalist?

It's not a matter of non-igbos being fools.it's a matter of perception.
Once a person is biased, he is likely to see everything through a jaundiced standpoint.
For example, an igbo person who believes Yorubas are fetish would never believe a Yoruba Pastor no matter how clean he comes.

The nzeogwu you are even mentioning wasn't in support of Biafra Try to read up about him.

codemaniacs:
So somebody that kills Yoruba soldiers who were his superior then shoots indiscriminately at unarmed Yoruba women and children is not pro-igbo or pro-biafra to you.. you must think I'm a fool and this is another issue most Igbos have... They feel non-igbos are fools..

By his actions he was violently pro-igbo and pro-biafra..

You clearly don't understand what happened. It's unfortunate that the coup was daubed "Igbo coup" because of the key officers involved.

E be like you don't understand what it means to be marginalized. Azikiwe ruling Nigeria doesn't detract from his people being marginalized thereafter. Even the Fulanis in power today can be marginalized when Buhari leaves.So let's not dwell on that

codemaniacs:
Igbos have been in the center many times.. Nnamdi Azikiwe was the first president of Nigeria from 1963 - 1966..

why will the Igbos do a coup when they already had the president..

even after the civil war, many igbos have served as vice presidents of Nigeria under military rule...

so they have never been marginalised..

Now you are taking it far..so because according to the article you read, killing some Yoruba soldiers by an Igbo,who wasn't even a Pro-Biafran, the crime must be on the Igbos?
Friend, free yourself of bitterness and be objective.

Nzeogwu was OBJ's guy and never supported Biafra

codemaniacs:
did you even read my comment to the person I quoted...

will you praise a group of thieves as brave for killing your parents

if you want to read the italicized. go on google and type kaduna nzeogwu then click on the wikipedia link then go to the sub heading with "Execution" as the title.

In a layman's language, it is keeping a person in the margin NOT allowing him in the center. Take a look at your exercise book and see the margin created.


That said,
do you think the Southwest won't feel marginalized if the same thing meted out to the igbos was done to them? Do you honestly think, Yoruba nation wouldn't have been birthed by now?

codemaniacs:
what is your meaning of marginalization

And why wouldn't a Yoruba man say the bolded?

By the way, provide the link to the italicized

codemaniacs:
No Yoruba person will ever say the bolded...

below ( gotten from wi:ki ):

"According to a Nigerian Police Special Branch Report, nzeogwu executed at least 4 army and police security personnel including one of the men on his team (Sergeant Daramola Oyegoke). nzeogwu also participated in the execution of Col. Raph Shodeinde, his superior officer at the Nigerian Military Training College and is reported to have shot indiscriminately at fleeing women and children.."..

the statement above shows pure hatred for Yorubas and a lot of igbos all have this similar behavior towards Yorubas..

the aim of the Igbos like Azikiwe, Ironsi, Ojukwu e.t.c. was to control the revenue of other regions especially the western region ( Yoruba region ), that's one of the reasons why Ironsi abolished the regional system of government.

In summary, the bravery of the Igbos in killing Yoruba soldiers, Yoruba men and women and children is what you say you respect.. if truly you are Yoruba then you are a disgrace to the Yoruba nation..

If you don't know anything about what started the civil war then don't say what you don't know...

Wow @ the bolded. We learn everyday. So this is the new meaning of marginalization?

codemaniacs:
Igbos are not marginalized..

the way Nigeria is structured, ethnic nations that control a state can never ever be relegated, igbos control at least 5 states, the states means indigenous government officials ( Igbo officials ) will always receive funds.

If Igbos were marginalized then that means that since 1970 they have not received any allocation from the FG and they have never held any federal government political appointments..

Wow @ the bolded. We learn everyday

codemaniacs:
Igbos are not marginalized..

the way Nigeria is structured, ethnic nations that control a state can never ever be relegated, igbos control at least 5 states, the states means indigenous government officials ( Igbo officials ) will always receive funds.

If Igbos were marginalized then that means that since 1970 they have not received any allocation from the FG and they have never held any federal government political appointments..

If any tribe has ever experienced war in their homeland. It is the igbos. So they know and ordinarily won't want war.What I think is the matter is the marginalization and hate. If after the war and loses, the Igbo man still opt for secession even if it ends in another war, then know that they know that it's worse to
stay with those who hate them. My prayer is that it doesn't get to that because the length and breadth of Nigeria will feel it and it wont end in 30months. Africa sef will feel it.

Though, I don't see why we need to go our various ways but I hate slavish existence. If you want them to be part of Nigeria,then treat them as one

Anazp:
To all the ipobians craving for war im sure they can see what War has done to Ukraine in less than a week. They better use their heads but wont be surprised if they dont since people from that part of the country hardly do until they are destroyed

Even during the Nigerian civil war, many parents abandoned their own children in a bid to escape. What do you think they'd do if it involved another person? You guys will just be shouting Racism everywhere as if blackmen won't do worse if the roles were switched.
Person wey wicked wicked no be by skin color.

olorunthobby:
The truth is we have to build our continent to avoid stuff like this. These guys don’t care about us a bit . If the worst happens, they will throw us out!!
That's why I laugh at those who think that the solution to the poor governance is leaving the country for this people. There is no place like home. I wish we all know that we have to make this place a better place for all of us. If Nigeria gets it right, Africa will be safe.

[quote author=ayokellany post=110555847[s]]I don't need to ask I know for a fact you don't but that is your problem. I am not concerned about that. If asking your father a question is disrespect I am not sorry that is your problem to deal with. If you own a father that teach to mind your business n state you can as well take messages you receive from poking your nose to him in his house grave hell or wherever he might be. I see igbos make all sorts of uncomplimentary remarks about Fulanis Hausa Yorubas etc so if you wake your father with sliding tackle that's your problem.
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What you are calling a question wasn't one.Thats why i asked , do you understand what you were quoting.
But it's fine

Kobojunkie:
Look, if you aren't even able to answer the questions to this point,I am left to believe that you are looking to argue meaninglessly.

Must you be rude to make your point? Don't you have respect for people's fathers?
Very soon when NL intertribal e-war ensues, you'll be amongst those saying ibos don't respect their fathers.
Na wa

ayokellany:
I am from Ikorodu, tudomugoro to be precise, I am also not using a fake monicker so can we ask your father if Ikorodu people complain to you. Do you even know how many road the APC led govt constructed in that LGA.

That's the difference between us.You saw it as an argument which you must win..hence your approach.
When you discuss, you share.
Besides, I'm not obligated to answer everything I'm asked especially if it doesn't add value to me or the audience.
Wise men discuss but fools argue

Kobojunkie:
If you were indeed discussing, you would have answered my questions by now.

What's the connection between the issue at hand and this trite vitriol?

buckeyemedia:
Why did they condemn your Lord & Personal Savior Yeshua to die, because he exposed their hypocrisy?

Nonsense Pharisees & Sadducees.

Well I don't argue...I discuss.
Your observation is not correct too but you are excused. Thank you

Kobojunkie:
All I have noticed is you side step questions directed at you so you can continue arguing meaninglessly against what is in fact written right there in scripture for all to see and comprehend even in the simplest of human language.

Again... My questions to you are straight up.

What parts of Mark 12 and Matthew 22 contradict what Jesus Christ is written to have said in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36?

I assume you are here attempting to invalidate the claims made in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 - your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God - , since that seems to be the bulk of your attempts so far and I am asking you in which of what you have so for pointed to has any of what Jesus Christ is written to have said in those verses nullified?

Why do mean by "so-called Bible"? If people flay the Koran now you'd be the first to be protesting.
Why not continue with your hatred for Israel and give your opinion as you know it instead of being disrespectful to others?
The topic is about Russia refusing to acknowledge Israel's sovereignty over Jerusalem and the Golan heights.
Haba...

buckeyemedia:
Saul turned Paul the number one advocate of Christianity in your so called Bible ran to Damascus Syria when his life was @ stake, Syria isn’t going anywhere.

People like you that don’t know anything just jump on any news that favors Oyibo people, borne out of a slave mentality inherited from your predecessors.

If you have been reading my replies, you won't be asking the same questions.
All I am saying is,you don't understand what you're quoting. The same thing is in those scriptures I cited.
To help you understand Luke 20:34-36, I helped you paste it from verse 17
1.to help you see that it's the same account in Matthew 22 and Mark 12
2.To help you understand what Jesus was responding to
I also used the simplest version I can find (which is NLT) because I wanted to be as basic as possible.

KJV is not for everybody

Summary,
Read with understanding

Kobojunkie:
My questions to you are straight up.

What parts of Mark 12 and Matthew 22 contradict what Jesus Christ is written to have said in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36?

I assume you are here attempting to invalidate the claims made in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 - your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God - , since that seems to be the bulk of your attempts so far and I am asking you in which of what you have so for pointed to has any of what Jesus Christ is written to have said in those verses nullified?

@kobojunkie
I decided to post that for you to understand the bible you are quoting.
That Mark 12:18-25 is the same scenario with the Luke 20 you are quoting as well as Matthew 22.

Below is the Luke 20 you've been quoting... You may focus on verses 34 to 36 but I'll start from verse 17

Luke 20:17-36 (NLT)

27Then Jesus was approached by some Sadducees—religious leaders who say there is no resurrection from the dead. 28They posed this question: “Teacher, Moses gave us a law that if a man dies, leaving a wife but no children, his brother should marry the widow and have a child who will carry on the brother’s name.c 29Well, suppose there were seven brothers. The oldest one married and then died without children. 30So the second brother married the widow, but he also died. 31Then the third brother married her. This continued with all seven of them, who died without children. 32Finally, the woman also died. 33So tell us, whose wife will she be in the resurrection? For all seven were married to her!”

34Jesus replied, “Marriage is for people here on earth. 35But in the age to come, those worthy of being raised from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. 36And they will never die again. In this respect they will be like angels. They are children of God and children of the resurrection.

I just hope you'll understand that "marriage is for people on earth"

Kobojunkie:
Did Jesus Christ in fact make clear that your marriages are of this world and not of you Kingdom of God in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36? YES OR NO?

Did Jesus Christ contradict this statement He made of marriage anywhere in Mark 12 or Matthew 22? YES OR No?

You need understanding my brother. It's not by quoting scriptures.
However, this is a very simple matter.

Now ,Let me start answering you with scriptures.

Mark 12:18-25(NLT)

18Then Jesus was approached by some Sadducees—religious leaders who say there is no resurrection from the dead. They posed this question: 19“Teacher, Moses gave us a law that if a man dies, leaving a wife without children, his brother should marry the widow and have a child who will carry on the brother’s name.d 20Well, suppose there were seven brothers. The oldest one married and then died without children. 21So the second brother married the widow, but he also died without children. Then the third brother married her. 22This continued with all seven of them, and still there were no children. Last of all, the woman also died. 23So tell us, whose wife will she be in the resurrection? For all seven were married to her.”

24Jesus replied, "Your mistake is that you don’t know the Scriptures, and you don’t know the power of God. 25For when the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In this respect they will be like the angels in heaven.

Do you really understand the Luke 20:34-36 that you've been quoting? I hinted you to read the preceding verses to understand but it's obvious you didn't read it.

Go and read the same thing recorded in Matthew 22 and Mark 12

Kobojunkie:
Please carefully reread my previous post so you grasp the meaning in what is written


Jesus Christ told you your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 - meaning your relationships begin and end on earth and as such it matters not whether you are married or not, instead what matters is whether you as an individual are living your life in obedience to His Law and commandments or not.

God created some Eunuchs from birth, allowed some become Eunuchs in this life and permitted others to live as Eunuchs for the sake of His Kingdom. So whether you chose to marry or you chose to remain single, the same blessings of God are available to all - none more blessed than the other in their choice.

Jesus Christ is also against the same infidelity in those who are single- Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28 - applies to both the single and married. The sexual sin of lust after a woman who are not married to is sin whether single or married.

You make me laugh with your explanations.
I bolded " not of this world".
No scripture stands in isolation.
Jesus was telling them that over there (in heaven, His kingdom) people don't marry.He used angels as example because they aren't humans.
Jesus deliberately answered the scribes/Pharisees that way because He knew them and their intention.
So Jesus was NEVER against marriage here on earth for believers. It is marriage,here on earth, that'd/supposed to perpetuate mankind.

I don't know what you mean by infidelity amongst singles.
Lust is a different issue...it has to do with impure (sexual)desire in this case.
A single person must flee from formication. If he/she burns with desire, he/she should marry.

I deliberately didn't want to cite scriptures cos I believe these are basic things for those who understand scriptures

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ told you your marriages are of this world [/b]and not of the Kingdom of God - [b]Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 - meaning your relationships begin and end on earth and as such it matters not whether you are married or not, instead what matters is whether you as an individual are living your life in obedience to His Law and commandments or not.

God created some Eunuchs from birth, allowed some become Eunuchs in this life and permitted others to live as Eunuchs for the sake of His Kingdom. So whether you chose to marry or you chose to remain single, the same blessings of God are available to all - none more blessed than the other in their choice.

Jesus Christ is also against the same infidelity in those who are single- Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28 - applies to both the single and married. The sexual sin of lust after a woman who are not married to is sin whether single or married.

It depends on what you mean by "meaningful"
Dr.Sunday Adelaja (in Ukraine now) , I think was on scholarship there(when it was USSR) and he was a thought leader.

That said,
You can be anything anywhere if you're destined to be there.If there's an African who can solve the Chinese man's problem, they'd assimilate him racism or no racism.

Time there was when black men were not given the recognition they now have in the U S but today the story is different
Even Nigerians who claim to be accommodating, how many white men have been elected governor in any of our states?Remember recently here on NL, there was a thread about a foreigner married to an Anambra man who was passionate about her husband's culture and there was a poser if it would be a bad idea to make her a commissioner. Go and read the responses

WibusJaga:


How many Africans have achieved anything meaningful in places like Russia & China?

You seem not to understand what Jesus was saying to the scribes who were trying to trap him with their silly questions
If you read your Bible well and understand what you read, you'll understand that Jesus often spoke to those "without" in parables.
Read the preceding verses to get the meat of the matter.
Cherry picking scriptures and misapplication is common with those who don't know that the Bible isn't newspaper.

But let's assume we don't know much,are you saying Jesus was against marriage? Or what are you trying to say as you even admitted that Jesus was against infidelity in marriage.

Kobojunkie:
You claim you marriages are to be compared to the relationship between Jesus Christ and His Church, but Jesus Christ taught you instead that your marriages are of this world and not of His Kingdom - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36.

Also Jesus Christ gave no special rules for those married except that the contract was binding and divorce was only allowed under set circumstances. The same rules that applied to those who chose to remain Eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of God apply as far as those who chose marriage instead.

You claim your marriages are dear to God but Jesus Christ says instead they have of this world and this world only. So who is lying?