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budaatum:
This is the point that you do that thing that makes me throw egg shell before you muttley. But it's 2019 now, a new dawn, and I'll try not to do whatever it is you said I do to you. You wouldn't believe how I burn in hell for losing patience with you, and I don't want to start the year burning!

Happy New Year. And make sure we meet up before it ends! It would be good to kan e ni iko so you.........

Meanwhile, look up the thread by kingebukasblog, I think, where he claimed atheism is a religion, and so titled. He got a drubbing you might want some of, or at least you'd learn my view of such nonsense. I wouldn't want you to go by way he and his disciples went in 2018, I am begging you, please.

Ebuka should have dumped religion by now.

alBHAGDADI:
Yet you failed to point out what appears dubious to you.

Wait for it.

Albagdaddi's biblical exegesis is always dubious.

Grupo:
The bolded was exactly what I was trying to make him see in my earlier posts on this thread, but he seems to be too deep in his delusions.

That's the closest to reality we can expect.

Anas09:
Then He won't prohibit adultery.
Adam and Eve were married Sir. The Lord whose name is Jesus, married them.

Well, as the story puts it, we can agree that they were married.
Jesus wasn't in the narrative.

Anas09:
History will draw us back to the first marriage on earth, what will your guess be? mine will be Adam and Eve. But, pls fill free to bring yours up.

When I mention 'history' I wasn't really expecting to learn the very first marriage. That's not a realistic thing to enquire. I don't think history will bring up Adam and Eve - it will rather highlight the evolution of marriage in societies through civilizations.

Anas09:
I'd hope we had a discourse without scorn or spite, but it seem we can't manage it (?).

And, Who put the marriage contract in place in the atheistic worldview?

We can look up the history of the institution of marriage from an objective (NOT religious) perspective.

Anas09:
You mean the reason God separated Adam and Eve was for them to have sex?

Why then is Sex outside marriage is a sin?

Seems God didn't have time to create many people to fill the earth as his time frame was 7 days so in his 'wisdom' he created just two so they can have sex and PROCREATE.
Isnt that brilliant?

Sex outside marriage is a breach of the marital contract.

Omudia11:
You atheists never change. Twisting the Bible to suite your devilish narratives.


Godd the marriage. That's why Eve was made from the rib of Adam. Genesis 1: 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

The above was referring to Adam and Eve after God created Eve and brought her to Adam as his wife

Genesis 1.25, 28 (KJV)

25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Do you use a different bible?
Be fruitfully and multiply technically means 'be fertile, have sex and increase in population'.

Anas09:
What have you now said?

Who shd they have paid the rites to? God who said 'For this 'Cause' shall a man leave his family and be joined to wife, and they two shall become one flesh, knew what he meant.

Which Cause was YHWH talking abt sir?

SEX!

Anas09:
Do you also judge marriage to be a covenant ordained by God?

Man's first assignment was to marry and fill the earth with kids. If you don't believe in God, you shouldn't believe in marriage for, He ordained marriage. Marriage between a man and a woman is a smaller version of the larger marriage between Christ and the Church.

And talking abt extramarital affairs, that'd be adultery. You won't even know it's wrong if YHWH didn't say it is. Animals don't know anything abt it because they weren't told not to do it.

Seun, you are wrapped in a grand divine sign otherwise called divine algorithm, these things are imbedded inside of you, you just know them because they are imputed into your underlying reality.

Looking at it practically, the first assignment wasn't to get married because Adam didn't perform any marriage rites.
The first assignment would rather be to have sex and multiply.

Originakalokalo:
Jesus was not formed that way.

So you're told.

Originakalokalo:
Jesus was human and divine.

....A human in flesh and blood, but not formed by the fertilization process of egg and sperm.

The book of John is my best book...

...and you are entitled to your opinion.

It is accepted worldwide that humans are formed by the biological process of conception - forming of a zygote from male and female sex cells. There's nothing divine about that.

OpenYourEyes1:
Jesus is not Human

"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" John 8:58

That's what John thinks. John's opinion didn't stop Jesus from being a human. Jesus was born like a human by a woman and he died as humans do.

By the way, 'before Buhari was born, I am'!!

Chidany:
A TESTIMONY FROM MORE THAN 500 EYEWITNESSES IS A WEIGHT OF SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE...

THE EMPTY TOMB OF JESUS WITH HIS CORPSE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND IS A WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE EVEN THOUGH THE FACT OF HIS RESSURECTION DOES NOT APPEAL TO SCIENCE AND HUMAN LOGIC...There are many things happening in the world today that is beyond science and logic... And it is stupid if not madness to doubt what your father/authorities told you was the history of your family/nation if you cannot prove it otherwise... Everything must not fit into your human reason and science to become true...

More than 500 people that saw everything from the birth of Christ to his death and resurrection has given testimony to it...And the only reason you doubt is because it doesn't fit into your logic and science...YOUR DOUBTS ARE NOT REASONABLE SIR...THAT'S THE FACT!!!

An empty tomb or grave suggests a stolen corpse. Dead people don't walk!!

If you don't have the mental capacity to understand that authorities could lie to the public for some reasons then you're not fit for intellectual discuss. Go to church an listen to your pastor.

Chidany:
Desepiero, does your family have a history? Did you have a great, great, grandfather who told you the history of your family? Did your great, great, grandfather see and confess to you in person the history of your family? If he didn't, who did? Did you doubt him? Is it reasonable to doubt what authorities and eyewitnesses told you was the history of your family and nation... PROVIDE REASONABLE ANSWERS TO THIS QUESTIONS TO PROVE YOUR SANITY TO ME OR YOU DROP THE INSANITY OF YOUR ARGUMENTS...

It's logical that I have a father, grandfather, great grand father etc. No body tells me that. Biology explains that life comes from pre-existing life and I come from my pre-existing parents.
They didn't tell me any history. My father whom I met tell me a few stories told to him by his father. As a child I accepted them as truth but as I grew older, I understand that he's human and that all the stories may not be totally correct.

What does this have to do with an alleged Jewish carpenter who died in Israel?

More so, it's reasonable to doubt any bogus story told to you by anybody (authority or eyewitness) which does not conform to logic and reason, especially when there's no shred of substantial evidence.
ANYBODY CAN LIE, INCLUDING AUTHORITIES!

LordReed:
They ate it with the akara. LMFAO!

It's appalling! smh

Chidany:
DESEPIERO, SO YOU ARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO TELL THE WORLD THAT IT IS REASONABLE TO DOUBT AND MOCK THE TESTIMONY OF MORE THAN 500 EYEWITNESSES AND AN EMPTY TOMB WITHOUT THE DEAD BODY? SIR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I SUBMIT THAT YOUR COGNITIVE STATE IS VERY PATHETIC IF YOU DOUBT THE TESTIMONY OF MORE THAN 500 EYEWITNESSES WHO WERE ADJUDGED TO HAVE LIVED VERY HONEST LIVES BY PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T INITIALLY BELIEVE IN THEIR TESTIMONY... Sir, your doubt and denial of truth and twisting of facts is not reasonable... JESUS DID NOT KILL HIMSELF... RATHER HE SURRENDERED HIMSELF TO BE KILLED FOR YOUR SINS...AND HE DID NOT END IN THE GRAVE...HIS GRAVE REMAINS EMPTY...AND NOBODY HAS SEEN HIS CORPSE SINCE THEN BECAUSE THERE IS NONE...History tells us about the 7 wonders of the world...because life itself and the universe is filled with wonders - realities and facts that beats science and human logic...

who are the 500 people? Did the 500 people see and confess to me in person and I doubted? They didn't !! So why are you saying I doubted their testimony? rephrase you statement.
Point of correction! NOBODY died for me. I didn't ask anybody to die and nobody sought my consent to die.

tamethem:
Bro. I love your response but still put it to you that there is no miracle without a purpose and the purpose can't be for show.

Moses and Pharaoh's magicians: It was to tell Pharaoh that God sent Moses. Pharaoh had not come in contact with the God of Israel before this time. So he asked "Which God?"
The burning Bush happened likewise, to draw attention of Moses to the Spot where he needed to commune with God. He too has never met God before and No one has.seen God, so God used what would catch his attention to get him to the Spot where He talked to him.
The Ten plagues came as a Punishment not a show of power.

Shedrach and his friends in the lake of fire was not a show of power but of the Protection of God available for His children.

Jesus feeding the five thousand : The Bible says the wilderness was far from the town and one of the disciples said " if we should send this people away many will faint before they reach the City" there was need to solve the problem so Jesus stepped in. It was not a power show.

When Jesus turned water to wine , there was a need and He was called by His mother. In fact He did it reluctantly. He probably wouldnt have done it but because it was His Mum that asked Him so He did . He said " Woman what would I have to do with thee, don't you know my time has not yet come"

The only act that could be tagged a show of power was the Elijah and the prophet of Baal incidence. And that too was for a purpose. There was trouble in the land for God's worshippers and Jezebel killed hundreds of Prophets of God and Elijah had to step in.

He wanted all the prophets of Baal too killed and the only way to do that was through the challenge he threw at them. When they failed All the prophets of Baal too were killed. Not a mear power show it was done in retaliation of the killings of Gods prophets.

There must be a purpose for all miracles.

Miracles are not for Circus Shows, they are meant to meet the needs of Gods children.

Remain blessed

See all those problems which you've mentioned that serve as purposes, they abound in Nigeria. Hunger, Unbelief, Insecurity, worship of 'false gods'.

More so, convincing unbelievers of the one true God and winning their souls for heaven by demonstration of signs and wonder as Jesus himself promised is perhaps the most important. Jesus said you'd do greater things. Evangelism would be made easy so there you go.

So if you have digressed because you can't convince us that witch craft powers can be manifested, let's have Holy Ghost power healing visibly sick, restoring amputee limbs, and raising medically certified dead people just like Jesus did in bible. Not for show but for 'kingdom sake'.

You'd wonder are we to go demand these exploits of the men of God? Well, we don't have to because apparently they don't have to. It's upto God.

Who can understand his mysterious ways?

Chidany:
YOU ARE VERY CLOSE TO SALVATION AND YOU ARE NOT AS INSANE AS OTHER ATHEISTS I SEE HERE...

You are very, very, correct when you said that God Almighty is Jesus Christ and that he was born and killed in Isreal. Here is your blind spot: Jesus Christ as a man was conceived and born by a virgin without the involvement of sex or human sperm to fulfill a divine purpose... He lived his life to fulfill that divine purpose... And gave himself to be killed as a sacrifice to atone for sin in order to save humanity from sin and it's consequences... But he didn't end in the grave, but rose up from the dead on the third day and ascended into heaven... More than 500 eye witnesses testified to the fact of his immaculate conception, and his resurrection from the dead... His empty grave in Jerusalem further bears witness to his resurrection... His miracles and lifestyle attests to his divinity... IF THESE FACTS ARE NO PROOF TO YOU, THEN SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG WITH YOUR REASONING

You're believe all these things because they're written by some men in your favorite religious books with no guarantee that they're truth. To say the least, the story is ridiculous. Please don't mention 'fact' a second time.

Almighty God created the entire universe and humans. He discovers a fault in his creation and chooses to impregnate one of his creations to bear a son who is also himself so that he can kill himself to appease himself.

Then worldwide whoever chooses not to believe this story which happened in a small village in Israel must roast forever?

What happened to reason?

OpenYourEyes1:
You mean God almighty can't walk on water or make a donkey talk?

As regards to the "days and night before sun, " God could have been the source of light. He shines brighter than Sun - according to the Bible. He created a paradise that most likely had no need for the Sun. He is the source of light in Heaven and He will be the source of light in our new Earth and New Jerusalem.




"The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp." - Revelation 22:5

"The sun will no more be your light by day, nor will the brightness of the moon shine on you, for the Lord will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your glory. Your sun will never set again, and your moon will wane no more; the Lord will be your everlasting light, and your days of sorrow will end. Then will all your people be righteous and they will possess the land forever." - Isaiah 60:19-21

“Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn . The New Jerusalem will be a city illuminated not only by God’s holiness but also by His grace." Isaiah 60:3


"There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light."-Revelation 22:5

God almighty is Jesus Christ who was born and supposedly killed by Jews? God now has a beginning and end in Israel?
God can be anything then.

They're hypocrites. Watch them bring up sermon of 'grace' and 'abolished law' when you question them. They'll never heed to it but they'll gladly and greedily enforce tithe which is from the same book of Deuteronomy.

tamethem:
My guy any Pastor that takes up such a challenge is Fake. The Power of the Almighty God is not for Show.

Any Pastor taking up such a challenge is not genuine. Miracles happen for a purpose ( Healing) not to prove that God is powerful.
There is no miracle done by Jesus or by His Apostles that was done as a show of power. There must be a problem the miracle is solving. And it won't be that you will go and bring a blind man and ask the pastor, oya open his eyes miracles don't happen that way.

So call Pastors to a challenge and anyone that takes up the challenge is relying on Juju Power period.

Just like you Atheists want God to appear before believing He exists and you won't see a thing from now till eternity so genuine Miracles won't happen for you to know God exists or His pastors have power.

You belief or unbelief don't change God.

So its your life, your belief, your destiny, your cup of Nescafe.

Hope you got me right?

Peace bro.

Hey,

Gods power not for show?

Remember Moses and Pharoh's magicians? Egypt and the 10 plagues? Moses and burning bush? Joshua and the still sun? Elijah and Prophets of Baal? Shedrach/Meshach/Abednego and Nebuchadnezzar? Jesus and Five loaves/2 fish? Etc

According to bible, God always proved himself through his power demonstrated in wonders which left everyone in no doubt so how about now?

All the atheists in the world and perhaps none Christians (since Christianity is the only way) are insignificant for God to convince?

God changed and stop demonstrating wonders?

I don't bother anybody about my beliefs. I hardly mention them. Infact I go by no tags, but if you must mention your beliefs to me and expect me to take them as truth, please convince me with evidence.

Regards.

OpenYourEyes1:
* Round Earth

* Floating Earth

* Evaporation(how water got to the clouds)

* Evidence of brimstone in Sodom & Gomorrah

* Evidence of Ribs regeneration (creation story.) the list is endless...

That's why you ignored the talking snake/donkey, six days creation, days and night before sun, walking on water and other outrageous bible claims.
The fact that a religious book borrowed some facts from the reality of its time doesn't make it scientific.

Chidany:
Describe what you mean by the universe... And tell me if your parents did not have a beginning and ending... Tell me if the food you ate did not have a beginning and ending... And show me a creation that does not have a beginning and ending. Or you implying that the universe created the universe? That's not only unscientifically but irrational...

Long story short, God created these things right? Who also happens to be Jesus who was born and died in Israel?

OpenYourEyes1:
I totally disagree. The Bible is very factual and scientific.

What's scientific about Bible?

A talking snake?

LordReed:
Thank you. All the purported juju that seems to work have physical contact or agents. Who knows what kind of biological or chemical concoction is in those things.

I point out to someone that quite possibly a nerve agent was used on someone that they said fell down after being rubbed with a knife and she was incredulous.

These people believe natural processes to be spiritual. Such gullible pups.

You were correct. People ascribe spirituality to these things out of ignorance. You can call it occult knowledge.
Do you know traditional healers in the south west have associations? Their trade is a secret. If everyone knew, they'll be out of business.
Recently, pants for ritual is the vogue. Hahahaha. It's amazing the microbial consortia found in the female Instruments which could be exploited for hazardous or therapeutic purposes. I have been privy to some knowledge about these things so I laugh often times when people make unguarded statements out of fear.

OpenYourEyes1:
Is the Koran scientific? This is one of the ways I judge religious books.

Quran is not scientific.
It's religious just like bible.

Chidany:
Whatever other proof do you seek from the creator for his existence when you are seeing his creations and works, of you which the stupid Atheist is one...

Point of correction. I don't seek any proof from any creator. Whether one is there or not is perhaps inconsequential to my survival on earth.
Simply don't expect everyone to take you seriously when you make public some assertions of which you can't back up reasonably.
Believing a claim that has got not logical backing is NOT a necessity.

OpenYourEyes1:
I believe the Bible...


"I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows." — 2 Corinthians 12:2


"To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it." - Deuteronomy 10:14

Your belief doesn't make bible th absolute truth. Does it?
What about the Quran ?

OpenYourEyes1:
Our universe is not timeless.

God's domain is outside of our universe

You make such bold claims with all certainty as though you can provide proof.
Simply admit when something is beyond your mind as human.

NPComplete:
Actually some will. They know they are fake but they will hope they can cheat the system just to win money. That's why all those fake people took up Randi's challenge all those years.

Well sincerely, I've stopped arguing with religious people about efficacy of purported witchcraft powers because they resort to threats.
Just like tamethem suggested, his task could easily make one vulnerable to deadly physical harm.
I've spent years in Ijebu so I know how they work. There was a shrine behind my apartment when I lived in Ijebu and the baba was my friend. These mischievous men could easily poison you or tactically smear you infectious concoctions upon contact. You'd not notice.
I'm a molecular biologist so I understand the dynamics of infectious agents. It takes a small prick of a tiny sharp object (easily a palm frond) laced with a lethal dose of these agents to deliver disease.
They'd of course boast of your impeding calamity having successfully carried out their mischief to which they already have an antidote. A classic case of creating and solving a problem.