mzilakazi: That's true, their government has no financial muscle to fight the scourge of HIV/AIDS. All of their ARV drugs are imported and currently SA issued licenses for tenders to pharmaceutical companies to manufacture ARVs locally. We have post exposure prophylaxis treatment funded by the government which prevents HIV to mutate in the body. We are currently piloting a free national health insurance which will help the HIV infected individuals to a greater extent. In SA, HIV is no longer a death sentence like in Nigeria where they are dying like flies from HIV.
They say they have less HIV/AIDS sufferers, but they have more deaths.
It's this ignorant attitude that they have towards AIDS, coupled with their lack of financial muscle and political will.
mzilakazi: Nigerians are worst than SA with AIDS, no ARVS and prevention. On paper they are listed as the second most affected but in reality they take number one sport since three babies out of four births in Nigeria are born HIV positive. A nation of world leading HIV positive infants. SA as in current has HIV-free new born babies.
EVarn: the NA isnt ragtag.do you think fighting terrorists is a simple matter of driving into their stronghold and demanding that they surrender "by the order of the federal republic..." or face certain death?.i know the manipulation game that you are playing,do not think me ignorant of your dubious tactics. i clearly remember our troops apprehendind countless suicide bombers and stopping many bomb detonations,isnt that fighting against suicide bombing?,how else do you want them to fight?,even satellites cant detect suicide bombers!
LOL, then let's say they are cowards and unskilled then, seeing as they can't defeat a ragtag BH that they run away from on the daily?
How many suicide bombers faced up to the soldiers and traded bullets with them? Zero.
Don't cry "manipulation". Argue your way through.
Is the Nigerian army ragtag, cowards or hapless? I mean they are "light years" ahead of BH according to you and yet they can't stop them at home. You listed the following for BH: APCs,rocket launchers,kalashnikovs and AK47,artillery,armour piecing bullets,bombs;grenades;IEDS
Any military that's "light years ahead" of that and fighting at home should not have a problem stopping such a terror group, especially if such military is apparently NOT "rag tag", unless of course such military are cowards, ineffective and unskilled.
"Rhino has cost South Africa a financial loss of about R228 million with the 333 rhinos poached last year alone. These are the statistics according to the Wildlife and Environment Society of South Africa (WESSA); it is for this reason and the need to protect rhinos that the country is going all out to counter poachers. The deployment of South African National Defence Force (SANDF) members at the Kruger National Park has brought confidence that rhino poaching can be extinguished. The SANDF deployed 265 soldiers at Kruger National Park and the borders around the park in March this year, following a plea for help by the South African National Parks (SanParks).
In an interview with Defence magazine, Colonel Nceba Bobelo, Officer Commanding for Joint Operations Tactical Headquaters in Mpumalanga, said “Operation Corona” was making a huge difference in the fight against poachers. The Army brought in its expertise to beef up a team of Park Rangers, which was overwhelmed by the by increasing killing of rhinos for their horns. "We've got one Intelligence Tactical Regiment from Potchefstroom, which specialises in intelligence gathering. Special Forces and 21 Batallion, both in the park and on the borders," says Colonel Bobelo. The ground troops are supported by helicopters for a speedy chase of poachers. "The helicopters contribute a lot in terms of identifying areas where poachers are operating," he adds. Colone! Says that it became increasingly important to rope in the army when syndicates began using helicopters, night vision equipment and high-powered rifles in their expedition. The army is part of the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure (NATJOINTS), says Colonel Bobelo."
agaugust: SANDF has 80,000 men at arms on home-soil, they are useless and failures in their battle against Rhino hunters where you deployed them.
America and NATO super powers could not stop Islamic terrorists in 11 years of war in Afghanistan, Boko Haram is Islamic .
But the 80 000 men at harms have no business with poaching. The few men that do go in as directed have no freedom. they are only part of a joint command centre that ultimately reports to a ministry outside of the military.
The ENTIRE Nigerian army is responsible for BH and is THE COMMAND CENTRE. But there might as well be no army in Nigeria.
agaugust: 80,000 SANDF failed to beat local Rhino poachers inside South African homeland
Islamic terrorism, USA/NATO could not defeat them after 11 years war in Afghanistan .
Nowhere can you prove the 80 000 number and you cannot prove that the SA military has tactical control. But no proof is needed to know that Nigeria's entire military is deployed at home and notwithstanding budgetary and legislative support, it cannot stop BH. The US is not waging a war like Nigeria is inside the US. There are zero parallels.
In fact we shouldn't even be talking about the seizure of equipment, we should be talking about the seizure of people and land right under the noses of your soldiers. It doesn't get more pathetic than that, my friend.
agaugust: 21 Battalion SANDF, SA special forces and SAAF were all deployed in Rhino war and failed, if they had succeeded, you won't say it's not a military affair, will you? Mere local Rhino hunters dribbled SANDF and SAAF around in your own homeland, I wonder what will happen if 20,000 terrorists operate and live inside South Africa like we have in Nigeria, Jacob Zuma would have been taken hostage for ransome
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Rhino has cost South Africa a financial loss of about R228 million with the 333 rhinos poached last year alone. These are the statistics according to the Wildlife and Environment Society of South Africa (WESSA); it is for this reason and the need to protect rhinos that the country is going all out to counter poachers.
The deployment of South African National Defence Force (SANDF) members at the Kruger National Park has brought confidence that rhino poaching can be extinguished. The SANDF deployed 265 soldiers at Kruger National Park and the borders around the park in March this year, following a plea for help by the South African National Parks (SanParks).
In an interview with Defence magazine, Colonel Nceba Bobelo, Officer Commanding for Joint Operations Tactical Headquaters in Mpumalanga, said “Operation Corona” was making a huge difference in the fight against poachers. The Army brought in its expertise to beef up a team of Park Rangers, which was overwhelmed by the by increasing killing of rhinos for their horns.
"We've got one Intelligence Tactical Regiment from Potchefstroom, which specialises in intelligence gathering. Special Forces and 21 Batallion, both in the park and on the borders," says Colonel Bobelo. The ground troops are supported by helicopters for a speedy chase of poachers. "The helicopters contribute a lot in terms of identifying areas where poachers are operating," he adds. Colone! Says that it became increasingly important to rope in the army when syndicates began using helicopters, night vision equipment and high-powered rifles in their expedition. The army is part of the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure (NATJOINTS), which has role players that include the South African Police Service (SAPS) and SANParks, assisted by the intelligence arms of both the SANDF and the Police. The team also includes the National Prosecuting Authority and magistrates. “We established the joint command centre where we could all meet and share information for planning purposes. The magistrates attend our meetings so that they can understand the important role they need to play in giving rhino poaching cases speedy attention” says Colonel Bobelo.
The army is part of the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure (NATJOINTS), which has role players that include the South African Police Service (SAPS) and SANParks, assisted by the intelligence arms of both the SANDF and the Police. The team also includes the National Prosecuting Authority and magistrates. “We established the joint command centre where we could all meet and share information for planning purposes. The magistrates attend our meetings so that they can understand the important role they need to play in giving rhino poaching cases speedy attention” says Colonel Bobelo.
From your own source. Therefore, fact remains, the environmental affairs is responsible and the SANDF comes in as directed. But your military is solely responsible for BH. And the failure against BH is that of your military and your military alone.
agaugust: On going war, and we have k.illed thousands of Bokos and flushed them out of many cities they infiltrated, today we ruin all their armoured vehicles with impunity, the 200 girls are civilian hostages, no army in the world can rescue them without the girls getting killed, so we will smartly wait and decide. Few weeks ago the great American special forces in Iraq tried to rescue a South African hostage, just 2 hostages and the hostages got killed. SANDF has no experience so you would have rushed in to rescue 200 girls and they all get killed, right? Makes you a confirmed fool Sniper record kill was only reported by South Africans , one propagande source, and one wikipedia entry made by same South Africans, show us proof from UN that commanded the operations. Ya got a fake sniper record kill .
And the "thousands of Bokos" have also flushed you out of terrotory. 'Ongoing' as you say, because you can't end it. You are not capable of ending it. You do not have what it takes.
SANDF however has the experience that has made it into record books.
Nigeria's "experience" has not prevented its being freed of equipment, of territory, of "the girls".
You cannot compare a mission of a handful of special forces in a foreign land to that of an entire military fighting at home. Or should I say pretending to be fighting at home.
agaugust: Rhino poachers have the courage and they invade Kruger park, defeat SANDF, SAAF, SA Special Forces, Rangers etc.
They kill your Rhinos and sell their horns, yet your 50 million fools called saffers cannot stop them, you hardly ever even catch them, hardly ever except a few.
50 million Southies on your knees begging Botswana to save you....500 Southie Rhinos removed to safe haven in Botswana .
Rhino poaching has nothing to do with the military other than as directed. It is under environmental affairs.
But BH is squarely in your military's area responsibility. They are failing even with a state of emergency acting as a tailwind.
agaugust: UN mission is a global military force of over 12 countries including Europeans, it is NOT a South African only force, your last SANDF battle fighting alone was against your life masters Seleka and you ran away Nigerian war time-line is constant wars for the past 20 years. 1990s Liberia/Sierra Leione 2000s Dafur Sudan, Niger Delta, Boko Haram. We have never had a rest from war, home or abroad. Your pea sized head cannot do simple google search and find many suicide attacks on Nigerian army, I posted one, here is another for your COWARDLY nation of South Africa to learn from....nation of genetic cowards http://www.voanews.com/content/explosion-kills-at-least-three-outside-nigerian-barracks/1932251.html .
The force in the frontlines was very happily NOT comprised of 12 countries and yes, South Africa's footprint was quite telling in the battles. The record in the picture didn't 'just happen'. And this is one of the longest running peace-keeping missions in history, with SA having been there from the start.
Please, onto your list of battles, add the following:
"2012 - present. Nigeria against BH in Nigeria. NA frequently runs from enemy, has lost territory, loses equipment and has failed to bring back the girls."
The bolded is not your history, but your present. Who you are today. What you are. Or should I say, what you are not.
And no, you have not faced up to suicide bombers. You can't prove it cause it hasn't happened and it can never happen.
agaugust: Nigerian army has been attacked by so many suicide bombers that we cannot count.
Rather it is SANDF that has NEVER tasted real COIN war of suicide bombing done on your own homeland by your own innocent looking girls that can never be detected until they strike.
SANDF will be in Nigeria for COIN training soon, we are masters of South Africa anytime !
See Nigerian army in action against suicide bombers just few days ago....
Now show us the war SANDF is fighting, your army is NOT even qualified to talk when Nigerian army is talking, you fight no war ! You just make photos for demo and acting .
And you prove the "many fights against suicide bombers" by posting a story of a failed bombing at a checkpoint?
LOL, well picked, man. Proves my point nicely.
SANDF fighting? You mean like DRC? First mission of its kind in history? Now, why would I wanna do that to you? I mean, your military only has one job. One job IN NIGERIA....and yet...it fumbles.
agaugust: Regular ? No, that was first time in history of Nigeria that soldiers were murdered on river patrol and their boat stolen. As for Boko Haram, war is war, you lose men and equipment, you go back to find the equipment and destroy it then k.ill all those enemy fighters who stole it, that is a good army, that is Nigerian army, your South African army is NOT able to do that ! My posting of several SANDF Gecko vehicles on internet being controlled by Seleka that snatched them from you, should be enough for your Hollywood photomania army to go back to Bangui and destroy those vehicles, but 50 million South Africans CANNOT muster enough courage to do it o ! .
Who said it wasn't the first time?
No one did, Mr Strawman
The regular occurrence is the loss of your equipment to BH.
LOL you posted SEVERAL geckos? Really? How many? One? Two? Three?
Hm, against how many incidents of equipment seizure by BH? Or better yet, territory seizure? No, no, the seizure of girls and lately, villagers?
Hmmm?
By the by, Seleka men mustered the courage to come to Pretoria to grovel.
EVarn: the same reason why the US hasnt vanquished al quaeda and ISIS.is the US poorly armed?,is it "rag tag"? so what you propose is that the NA should leave suicide bombers to run amok in civilian communities simply because "you{we} dont fight" them?
It CANNOT be the same reason if the US is fighting in other people's countries.
You argued that Nigeria is light years ahead of BH, so their being "well armed" is not an excuse.
Could it be that you are cowards and ragtag too LOL?
NA has not faced up to suicide bombers, some of whom are young girls and not fighters - so, miss us with that, fam. It's a very simple message. Don't pretend to be confused by it. No need to mic check. It's clear.
EVarn: the NA is light~years ahead of boko haram in the area of sophistication,but you must understand that fighting religious fanatics who go as far as strapping bombs on themselves in order to kill others,is a very tasking endeavor.fighter islamic terror isnt about weapons alone.
"Light years", you say?
THEREFORE, the whole chat about BH being "well armed" was a waste of time. The Nigerian Army would ideally and very happily annul BH's being well armed by demonstrating its being "light years" ahead.
But that hasn't happened because two ragtags are facing off.
And oh, suicide bombers don't kill soldiers. They kill civilians, so don't talk about fighting them. You don't.
EVarn: what training was given?,how many CAR government troops were trained?.your parliament's decision to withdraw troops from CAR was advised by your military chief,following a string of violent defeats at the hands of seleka rebels.
Is that a question or are you saying zero training was given? LOL
Parliament's decision? Exactly! Do let that sink in, why don cha?
And since when is one battle "a string"?
Oh, by the way:
"In 2007 Bozizé requested assistance from South Africa for training the FACA and refurbishment of military facilities. The two nations signed a Memorandum of Understanding on 11 February 2007. In March the SANDF training and engineering personnel under the command of Col George Sibanyon.[clarification needed] By September 2009, 123 FACA members had received leadership training, including 23 who attended courses in RSA.[5]"
NaijaPikinGidi: By your own admission South Africa is a breeding ground for terrorists ... call them mercenaries/criminals/gangsters ... or whatever you please! Reason why there's such a soft-spot for the BH gangsters each time they make the headlines. :: Crime and criminality ... obviously are South African hobbies! :: Drug peddling and drug consumption/addiction ... obviously are South African hobbies! :: Running away from a dying South Africa ... obviously to Australia and elsewhere! :: Terrorists and "mercenaries" ... obviously synonymous with South Africa and greed! Just think of all the troubles in CAR, DRC, Libya, Zimbabwe, etc., and you'll find that this news report just scratches the surface of South Africa's criminal tendencies home and abroad including misplaced support for tyranny against the will of the people. A further confirmation of South Africa's status as the continent's CRIME capital. See full story below ... (boldened text for emphasis): ================== SA man at centre of CIA sting December 27 2014 at 10:31am By Ivor Powell Cape Town - An infamous South African, linked to some of the most shady scandals of this century, has emerged at the centre of a US transcontinental sting operation that netted an alleged drug cartel assassin. Paul Calder le Roux shopped former American Special Forces-trained sniper Joseph Hunter, who was arrested in Thailand in an operation spearheaded by agents from the US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA). Hunter, known as Rambo, was nabbed after he was secretly taped agreeing on behalf of a group of mercenaries to assassinate a DEA informer in return for $800 000 (R9.3 million). News of the DEA operation only surfaced last weekend in a report by the New York Times, although Hunter was arrested and taken to the US last year. He is facing charges in connection with running a hit squad. Dramatic as the Hunter arrest may have been, it appears to be little more than the tip of an iceberg of spy world intrigue. According to the New York Times and DEA sources, Hunter was sold out by his former employer, Le Roux (by this time Le Roux had dropped the middle name), as part of a top secret deal with the US authorities. Le Roux, 42, is registered as both an Australian and South African citizen, owns property in Krugersdorp, and is a director of a South African-registered company. He came to the attention of international intelligence agencies in 2007 when he was named in a UN Somalia and Eritrea Monitoring Group (SEMG) report as sponsoring a local breakaway militia, some 200 strong, and fitting them out with illegally sourced military materiel. In the territory controlled by his militia, Le Roux apparently constructed hi-tech greenhouses in which he allegedly planned to grow industrial quantities of opium poppy, which would be utilised to manufacture heroin for the international market. He discreetly disappeared on the publication of the SEMG report, coming to light again operating companies in Manila in the Philippines and allegedly involved in illegal arms and the international trade in narcotics, according to US authorities. He may also have been connected to two hits in the Philippines about which Hunter boasted in the taped negotiations around the planned hit on the DEA agent which led to his arrest. Le Roux was secretly taken into custody by the DEA after being arrested in Liberia in 2012 in a sting in connection with a prescription painkiller scam that he allegedly masterminded. He was then apparently turned, and is estimated to have provided information leading to the arrests of at least 11 people. “Le Roux is a bad guy, a very bad guy,” a DEA agent is quoted in the New York Times as saying, speaking on condition of anonymity because, he said, Le Roux’s co-operation had been a secret. “He’s Viktor Bout (the Russian illegal arms trader dubbed the Merchant of Death and currently in prison in the US) on steroids.” Le Roux previously made news when it became known he had transferred about $12m (R139m) into the account of Ari Ben-Manashe, a former Israeli gun-runner who was linked to Zimbabwe president Robert Mugabe. This was allegedly intended for Manashe’s company to lobby support in the US for a land reform plan that would have seen Le Roux securing 99-year leaseholds on Zimbabwean farms – to huge personal profit. But it emerged that Manashe had testified in 2002 that Zimbabwe’s Movement for Democratic Change leader, Morgan Tsvangirai, was involved in a plot to assassinate Mugabe. This claimed assassination was later discredited. According to intelligence reports in the possession of Independent Newspapers, Le Roux was implicated in plans hatched in 2010/11 in Zimbabwe to set up a protection unit for then-Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi – aimed at accessing billions in gold bars held in secret Libyan stashes. - Weekend Argus
I repeat, South African mercenaries are in HIGH DEMAND and I stand by that.
You also stand by that, based on the article; and I say well done. For months we've been saying.
EVarn: a terror group that uses APCs,rocket launchers,kalashnikovs and AK47,artillery,armour piecing bullets,bombs;grenades;IEDS is considered well armed in my books.
Yes, because terror groups should use sticks and knives, otherwise.
But oh, so that's ALL they have?
LOL tell me, is that ALL the Nigerian military has too, or does your military have more?
It's a simple question. Could I please have a simple answer.
EVarn: what are you even saying,dont try to manipulate my points to suit your misguided beliefs.i understand that SANDF mission in CAR was to train government troops and protect south african interests in CAR.but,when your troop were confronted by rebels,they pulled down their pants and ran to the airport.
Feel free to point out the points that have been "manipulated".
And how can a MISSION to train fail when the training was given? Hmmmm? How?
And once you're done with that, tell us how a parliamentary decision to pull out (as accepted by you) is linked to the fighters? Hmmm?
EVarn: what is al quaeda and ISIS armed with?.gee....perhaps they must have gotten a few shiny nukes from the chinese mall downtown,why else hasnt NATO flushed them down the basin?,*gasps*,they must be more sophisticated than the US!.
The question is simple, bra:
What is BH armed with? MRAPS or what?
If you don't know what BH is armed with, then you have no business saying they are "well armed".
EVarn: politically?,was france not willing to share stolen mineral resources with you?,were you guys too scared to loot CAR dry 'cos france would have confronted you?.SANDF failed in CAR.period.
Let's see:
1. You have AGREED that South African parliament pulled the SANDF out.
2. You have DEMONSTRATED that you don't know what the SANDF's mission was.
So,
If you agree the decision to pull out was made by politicians; AND
If you have no idea what the mission was,
How on earth can you be trusted to speak about failure?
How do you even begin to make sense on the point? Hmmm?
EVarn: boko haram is a well armed terror group,that shouldnt be disputed.spear me petty sentiments and childish sarcasms,we all know how terribly you failed in CAR,this isnt about boko haram,its about seleka and SANDF.
Then your military is poorly armed if you can't match them. What is BH armed with, please? What is their arsenal, pretty please? Could it be MRAPS, by any chance? Could it?
Lol, temper, temper.
You've accepted that parliament pulled the SANDF out, so I thank you for that.
EVarn: in order to spear you more humiliating defeats
Assuming you are even partially right, then the decision had nothing to do with the military. It was politics. Thanks for accepting the simple fact that it was parliament. That's more than we could have asked for from you today.
EVarn: boko haram is a sophisticated,well-armed and well-trained islamic terror group.they not only recruit from nigeria,but from neighbouring cameroon,chad,and niger,they also employ tuareg fighters from mali and libya in their violent campaigns,they have a large network and are well funded,it was even recently reported that is an awakening movement for boko haram in ghana.so stopping boko haram isnt a dancing matter.on the other hand,seleka rebels are 70% kwashiokor-ridden child soldiers,with neither training nor battle experience,yet they managed to take over government under your watch,and even slaughter your soldiers in predictable ambushes.
Augugust argued today that Boko Haram has no MRAPS or such. So, tell us, are they sophisticated or not?
Actually, it is not that Boko Haram is not sophisticated, but it is that the Nigerian military is equally unsophisticated. All these things that you listed, if you aren't equal to the task, would then mean that BH is more sophisticated than your military.
Your military should also be well funded or better. Your diplomacy should give you influence with your neighbours.
But none of these things are possible because you are ragtag. So you give the world excuses.
It's ragtag vs ragtag at this point.
SANDF had no interest in who took over government because that was not the mission. You do know what "mission" means, don't you?
EVarn: call it a blue lie if you want.the fact remains unchanged;seleka violently kicked you out of CAR.
They did not kick us out if they failed to overrun the base. You do know that you can't prove and no one had argued that seleka overran the base, right?
So to use you own words, call it a "fact if you want", but it does not change the fact that seleka waved the white flag and failed to overrun the base.
EVarn: SA has low productivity,mark my words,your labour market is idle and your economy is stagnant.. not every economy has both consumer and producer based industry,also,only an emerging market can sustain a stock market.a bigger industry does not reflect productivity.
I did mark your words and you said the following:
1. Nissan SA supervises Nissan Nigeria.
2. Nissan Nigeria is "still new" and is not ready to stand on its own.
3. You could not deny that South Africa has more refining capacity than Nigeria.
4. You could not deny South Africa's involvement in the establishment of your auto industry.
5. You could not deny that South Africa exports more cars.
6. " South Africa has a bigger industry".
These were your words and performance today, alright.
Now put it all together and say: "South Africa is an emerging market and Nigeria is a frontier market".
You'll be all the better for it. You've already put together all the required pieces anyway.
And no, it is not South Africa that has had to devalue the Rand, but it is Nigeria that has had to devalue the Naira at this time.
And DO TELL US how many stock markets are in Africa, in which case all these African countries are then not frontier? Nothing could be more ridiculous.
While you are at it, NAME the economy that does not have producers and consumers.
Or better yet, TELL US, how a big industry does not reflect productivity.
EVarn: yet it didnt prevent bozize from fleeing and seleka from taking over the government.eye witnesses{rebels included} confirmed the defeat of over 50 SANDF soldiers,even one rebel claimed that "heavy casualties were sustained on both sides"..interestingly,the article also highlights how SANDF troops remained under "french protection" after they lost the battle.
Stopping Bozize from fleeing was never the mission, so that is irrelevant. However, stopping BH is Nigeria's one and only mission.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 9:05am On Dec 28, 2014
