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Let's wait and see how the would operate before criticism

The mere fact you saw Ibibio, Izon and other ethnic group, it means that they will be deployed to their various tribes and communities.

Mr Magnus was quick to play the domination and expansion card. What I think could play out is togeda they will be called ESN but at various tribes will have their commanders with their people in charge with most likely room for Intel sharing.

OP, I thought you are for Force Majeur with your MNN partners or will Eastern Security Network stop you from taking down constitution through force majeur.

In the words of Abaribe "Those who live by propaganda will die by propaganda"

DarkJeddi:
Keep dreaming..
We are yet to see any evidence presented by Dump and he thinks changing tactics is going to save his orange a,ss?
They have thrown one crap out and they are going to throw another shit olut.

We are talking about constitution here. The state supreme court amending their law with ruling when power lies with the legislators. What we are talking about here is beyond Trump or Republican. It has to deal with the US constitution

Pennsylvania case is a strong and serious one. It has to deal with a constitutional matter. If a wrong verdict is given, it sets a bad precedent for future cases.

It could be democrat observers that would be on the receiving end in future

Elvictor:
Ameachi ke? Buni na Ameachi guy na.

Some will support the court to protect their interests.

Time for lawyers to quote article and previous rulings as they smile to the bank.

Time for Counsels to Amaechi, Tinubu and Fayemi to smile massively to the bank

Those who live by propaganda will die by propaganda

Etinosa1234:
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I don't know Sha...this was why I quoted u

As regards to 2023, the north are in a dilemma
They either give power to SE/SW and wait till 8yrs or give power to SS through Jonathan and get it back in the next 4yrs.


Anything that makes the north to go for Presidency now, the south united and collapses Nigeria across protectorate lines..

Its really a dicey moment. IPOB and Yoruba one voice are in line to collapse Nigeria and 2023 is the perfect time

Etinosa1234:
U need to be educated... A president can not restructure this country...
.The only arm of government that can restructure is the legislature... And abaribe and other legislature knows it but they're playing on y'all intelligence

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You are misunderstood what I wrote earlier. The president can't facilitate the process in the house of assembly to diplomacy or force. Diplomacy through talks and concession. Force through EFCC and corruption


The Abaribes quote comes as a result of insecurity. He made it when he told the President to resign over insecurity

In the words of Senator Abaribe " Those who live by propaganda will die by propaganda".

This is just a smoke screen for the northern game 2023. I think they have come to realisation that its either President of Eastern extraction who might force restructuring or Restructuring before the system before the election.

Some of them are trying to package and sale Jonathan who would only have 1 term in office.
Some are looking at projecting Tinubu in APC while they reclaim back power through a northerner in PDP.
Some are even looking at scamming Igbo politician into APC while the north and sw gets it in PDP.

Big dilemma for the core north as it stands now. They have even come to realisation that if Igbo or Yoruba man carries out the level of nepotism that Buhari did in appointment, what will be the situation of the core north.

Coupled with IPOB/ Yoruba one voice factor hanging on.

I cannot wait fit 2023 to come for the drama

Something is fundamentally flawed with the way a black reads, assimilate and interpret information.

Trump and Biden are first human before being politicians.

When Trump had the covid19, Biden sent him a get well soon message. Its only normal that he does the same too.

There is no permanent friend or foe in politics but permanent interests.

dogmax:
IPOB need to understand that this man is out for business and nothing more. Freedom fighters don't behave like this picture below..... slavery act

You asked for clarification and replied yourself few lines later.

I drop a question to you. When was IPOB formed. When did he travel to UK. When was he the APGA chairman in U.K. when did the late Ojukwu visit UK. If you can reconcile all those stuff..maybe you can get the clarification you seek

Obamaofusa:
Living in denial?
lol

Okay name any of your business people both dead and alive who come close to just these few Yorubas in business.....

Bode Akindele
Harry Akande
Deinde Fernandez
Bayo Ogunlesi
etc.

The only place you have ever been successful in the whole world is Lagos and we the Yorubas are your benefactors.

Yorubas are successful all over the world and also more successful than Igbos in Lagos.
You see your life for beating rotten chests?

Do you know who they call Late Sir Louis Odimegwu Ojukwu who was the first Billionaire when you currency was the same value with pounds.

Coldie:
Ohaneze is a sociocultural body not a political or an economical body.

So u actually believe those old men can think about economic ideologies?

If they could do u think they will be paying homage to politicians for money?

Their are some things we should think twice before we say if we keep disrespecting ohaneze sooner or later other tribes will see our leaders as nothing.

We never respect them na other tribes want respect them?

We need to use our head o

Thats why I said the change must start by revamping Ohaneze from top to bottom and our politicians

Coldie:
So u actually think its afenifere who championed anti open grazing bill?... LoL

Seriously most of the things u listed out are simply wishful thinking and fantasy.

Ohaneze no get that kind power

Afenifere champione Amotekun and where able to convince their politician to sign and approve it. Is it not wise that Ohaneze setup economic ideology that will employ people or is that rocket science

Coldie:
Ohaneze is not government ohaneze is just a sociocultural body its only role is to advise they cannot make or implement laws. If states can't control security do u think its ohaneze who can?

Ohaneze can't control migration either, migration is caused by mostly unemployment ohaneze can't advice u not to migrate would they give u a better job?

Tell me how u think ohaneze should influence all dz things u listed?

Security: Ohaneze can easily influence passage of bills such as anti-open grazing and regional security. We all saw how Afenifere did it with Amotekun. Ohaneze can lead a protest for the passage of such bills.

Even the police roadblock which are excess in our land.
Economy: Alaigbo Development Foundation have been pushing for Akuruo Ulo project which have recorded success particularly in the area of commerce.

We need Ohaneze to champion that stuff in the area of Agriculture, Construction and other sector. Ohaneze can even champion local content development in the aspect of road construction, infrastructure, power generation and other stuffs. Yoruba people have business that Afenifere control within their land. Ohaneze should set up business within igboland that they control. Like textile, agriculture etc.

We need Ohaneze should partner with foreign igbo groups to champion diaspora economy. A system where igbo people can be given loan assistance to travel abroad and then payback with 4-5yrs time, even assisted to secure papers and easy access to travel overseas.

Ohaneze can also champions strong policy for state legislative house of assembly can do.

Example is Policy that mandates all elected or appointed public holders within states that make up igboland use only public facilities and assets.

Meaning you cannot call yourself Health commissioner and you get allowance for health. That allowance money is paid directly to the health clinic and you go there on monthly basis for your checkup

Coldie:
If u are to know ohaneze has existed for decades the fact all these things u listed out they have tried it, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't work.

The reason why no tribe wants to be associated with us while igbo tribes in the minority have been denying us, tell me of what benefit will they gain if they claim Igbo or ohaneze already we the main Igbo's are already being marginalized amongst the major tribes what benefit will they get for answering the Igbo tag, apart from them attracting hate and suspicion to themselves thanks to our secessionists tendencies.

There's a saying poor man no get friend.

But rich man get brother, sister, uncle, aunty, counsin

I get your opinion but Ohaneze is also failing in other areas like security, migration reduction and even agriculture.

Juliusmalema:
Not everyone hears central Igbo.

Okay...but as people we need igbo media like radio, television and even newspaper

Juliusmalema:
Let them use English instead of central Igbo. Not advisable.

If they want to speak then each and everyone must speak according to his dielect. Onu ndi.

Why should thy use English when all can hear central igbo

Coldie:
U have tried to argue with ikwerre people on nairaland over and over again it did not work, do u think ikwerre people became like this, its based on what their elders told them.

Y dont u help ohaneze hold a referendum? Ipob should hold a successful referendum first before asking any other person to do it. Only the fg has the power to hold a referendum.

The rest of what u say is just fantasy and wishful thinking.

This is why I tell u guys to stop all these its all based on fantasy

Brother you are still yet to understand what I am saying here.

Ohaneze is suppose to be social, cultural and political group for Igbo people right. Now igbo people by virtue of the state creation in Nigeria have been located in various places outside igboland. It does not mean that they are less of an igbo than people in the SE. Ikwere people are divided with a section claiming igbo while another claiming Benin.

All I am saying is this. Ohaneze is suppose to have gone to the various igbo community to bring them together under her umbrella. How do you bring people to you umbrella, you meet, discuss but ultimately they make the choice to where the want.

They make that choice through their kings and chiefs. If their leadership says no, then they cannot be called igbos and cannot be in any igbo organisation.

Those that agree to be recognised as igbo after these process, will be admitted into ohaneze and any other group and a social, cultural and economic plan is mapped out for igbo speaking region. Like these Akuruo ulo by ADF can be replicated across Igboland in areas of agriculture, manufacturing and even policy.

I am mentioned crucial issue like culture preservation. Igbo is big enough to have a media channel where activities are done in central igbo language. Ohaneze meeting should be strictly in central igbo language. Annual igbo competition can be done annually as well as other things that promote igbo language and culture.

ADF only did reinvestment we need strategic igbo plan on local content, agriculture, port system, diaspora economy and critical infrastructure

Coldie:
Tell us how ohaneze is supposed to unite those clans

First Stage: Enlightenment with historical facts and document

Second stage: Conduction of Referendum based on all autonomous community within the specified location meaning that the chiefs and kings that make up a particular community should choose if they want to be part.

Third stage: Official and public Recognition

Fourth stage: Admission into Igbo groups, policy and agenda

Ohaneze Ndigbo knows fully well the aspiration of Igbo people but keep on going against it.

Ohaneze have not united all the igbo clans together. Igbos in Kogi, Benue and Edo still complain of neglect.
Ohaneze have refused to settle this Ikwere stunt once and for all. Ikwere continue to shout the Bini why reaping igbo benefits.
Ohaneze is yet to tell the powers that be that igbo wants restructured system or outright exit.
Ohaneze have failed to revive igbo culture though development of media. We don't have media house that broadcast purely in igbo language. We dont organized igbo essays and competition. To even speak igbo in there general meeting is not constant.
Ohaneze cannot pressure Igbo governors to enact anti- open grazing bill yet they are busy clamoring for presidency.

Conclusion: First step of Revolution in Igbo land must be to completely retire Ohaneze or whatever rubbish its called. Work with ADF which have actually shown real love to Igboland.

In the words of Senator Abaribe
"Those who live by propaganda will die by propaganda"

Those who live by propaganda will die by propaganda

Why is it that people in this group like this. We all know that the reason for all this issue is because of the Igbo's decision to back Jonathan.

Igbo had to choose between Jona in 2011 and Presidency in 2019.
Had it been Igbo insisted that power shift back to the north, the people would have gone to the same ethnic minorities and tell them that igboman is domineering, selfish and greedy.

As for Umahi I see him as possible queuing behind a northerner or gunning for ministerial position in exchange for rigging Ebonyi state

Yakubu is a good player but that miss dropped an indelible mark. He is lucky that Nigeria is not Brazil if not, he would have been isolated totally.

Rohr is a disgrace and need to be sacked. We don't have pattern at all wit you. Its time we try Emmanuel Amuneke

grandlexuz:
The mail ballots were casts by human beings and not robots. In most swing states controled by Republicans the made laws allowing mail in balots to be processed from election day. In areas like Florida and Texas were mail in ballots were processed earlier and counted first Biden had a huge lead before being overtaken by Trump.

I was dissapointed but thats how election works. Untill the last vote is counted you can't say you have won based on early countings. In football teams have led by three goals only to be defeated at the last ten minutes.

There are laws governing elections in each state and the procedure for observations are well stipulated. Republicans, Democrats and observers from neutral agencies all had adequate and reasonable observation space from the start of the counts. The Trump team didnt object then, but proceeded in creating chaos when it became evident they were going to lose.

Mind you the conservative Pennsylvania supreme court ruled yesterday the Trump campaign had reasonsble acess all through the counting as required by law. The law can't be bent to please Trump cos he is losing.

The Pennsylvania supreme court didnt amend the constituition. The upheld recomendations passed by the elections board to allow votes cast before or on election day to be received three days after election so every vote could count. That's democracy. Considering the postal service had become extremely slow it was no fault of the voters for their votes not to count.

Prices at the pump are bound to always go up and down. Trumps era is far from being the lowest. Fracking a not too profitable and environmentally unfriendly procedure has its pros and con. The actions of humans is already affecting the planet negatively. With foks like Trumpy a few gains in the pockets at the expense of rising temperatures and catastrophes is a success.

Obamacare has been a life saver for somany.The latest arguments at the Supreme courts indicated Obamacare will not be quashed.

In 2020 no country can afford to be an island. Globilisation means each country will need to tolerate and make compromises because it can never be a 100 percent win for one country.The trade wars brought on by Trump caused several busineses huge gains and others enormous losses in the US. There was nothing wise about his wars. Long story short, the Chinese gained more than he envisaged despite his protectionism.

Talk of blacks let the voting dynamics tell you what little Trump did for their cause.

The Pennsylvania court amended the constitution which they had no power to do. Even a judge of the Supreme court of the US had to issue for them to separate the ballots.

We all know that without Fracking US will begin to buy crude oil again and thats not in the best interest of the country.

Obamacare was not taken down completely. What was taken down was the general mandate which made the middle class pay with their little income. The Supreme court ruling will either quash or live the care plan.

Globalisation is good but not when the other parties are not playing by the rules..Look at China claiming to be developing country when they have the second largest economy. Look at Germany not keeping to NATO agreement while buying gas from Russia. Look at WHO organization that refused to acknowledge where the virus came from. Look at the so called Climate accord that even America's climate is doing better than their standards. Look at the previous deals with Iran and North Korea.

One thing Trump brought to globalisation is what I call patriotism to once country while relating with other countries. By banning most of the terrorist countries, US rarely witness such attacks.

With respect to Blacks Trump's prison reform acts and ensuring that they have the lowest unemployment rate ever in the country. Even the task cuts that ensure that family save 2000$ monthly was for everybody.
In the elections he gained more black voters than any other Republican.

What you will say is that Trump's rhetoric was something else but his policy and action was top notch.

If you interview most people about Trump they will never speak bad about his policy and actions but will speak about his personality. He will definitely be missed by the MSM media and even Twitter

grandlexuz:
Yeah the pandemic that he so badly handled leading the US with 4% of the world's population expriencing 22% of fatalities.

Most Economists argue the stimulus and market procedures put in place by the Obama administration created the free fall in uneployment. Had Clinton won the 2016 election unemploynent rate would have still fallen to 3.5%.

Good for democracy you say. The art of trying to supress the people's voice. The science of trying to supress legally casted vote is your idea of good for democracy. Come on bro, you can do better. Most of Trumps case of lies and fictitious allegations have been turned down by courts across four different states.

I bet you will label that main stream media fake news. When you don't do Trumps bidding facts become fake news. The head of Cyber Security fired for giving his professional analysis on the election. Much recently FOX NEWS his all time favourite now discredited for giving facts. Trump is an enemy to facts. He is the father of fake news.

Obama/ Biden brought about the Naphtha agreement which made price of gasoline to be high but Trump came in and introduced MCA which had lowered gasoline price and brought life back to Oil and Gas industry through Fracking.

Obama care had mandate on it and that bill hammered the middle class but Trump had to remove the mandate.. He wants to abolish it totally through the court.

Obama/Biden normally fund historically black college and University but Trump gave them straight 10yr funding.

Signing of Prison Reforms Acts is one of Trumps biggest achievement in his office as a lot of people who are in prison are not just release but can get good jobs even as ex-convict.

We have to understand Trump and Republican faithfuls..He was leading on Election night in all the States and when the mail in ballot began to be counted, he lost all.. Its within his right to go to court. In the case of Philadelphia, Republican observers where not allowed close to where the collation is going on even after when they got to court.
Pennsylvania supreme court even carried out a constitution travesty by amending the constitution.

So its not just about Trump but the chance of Republican person winning a position with the mail in ballot system.

grandlexuz:
Illusion you say. You really don't much about economic dynamics and demograhy. Obama inherited a recession hit economy with unemployment between 8 to 10% .

By the time he left it was 4.7 having taken the US out of the worst modern recession. Trump inherited a 4.7 brought it to 3.5 at some point and leaving it devastated at 6.8.

Exposed mainstream media? What a joke. A man who accused the Emmy's as rigged cos he didn't win. What is it again you said about four years? Your Trumpy despite being beaten by a landslide has refused to concede. Come January 20 major cities across the world will celebrate his departure with fire works.

I thank God you mentioned 3.5%...that was before the covid pandemic.

As regards to the election some of you people don't understand what us is going on at the moment. Mail in ballot got close to 45% of the total vote cast in the election and these is d first time such number is seen. Already some people are touting it as the future of US election..

Now going to court and not conceding is good for democracy as its good to test the process. Ever since the projection, have you seen any so called Trump White Supremacist burn or destroy the city.

If not for Atiku's going to court, will INEC have considered the uploading of result sheet online system in Edo and Ondo?

They only people that will celebrate Trump are those that support Terrorism or Thrive in War.