₦airaland Forum

Biodun556:
Good

Am an Imolite. We have not had a good governor since the days of Late Sam Mbakwe.

The reason why igbo people crave for Obi is because of his legacy in anambra of which sovereign wealth fund is the one that is crucial.

I am of the opinion that government should not create debt but productivity and revenue for incoming government.
The previous government might have revenue but might not have the insight, technology and techniques at the time.

Okowa is still an igbo man so its not a total loss. Atiku did a wise selection.

Biodun556:
Ok

Atiku picks an igbo man as VP

Biodun556:
Igbo men are already replying. Peter Obi was reported to have visited Lagos but went straight to Igbo Church is usual practice.

Peter Obi was invited and he simply honor the invitation. If you want Peter Obi to come to where you worship, simply invite him.

Obi does not go from church to church. That is one thing with Catholics.

If you want us to talk about our preferred candidates, you indicate

The problem is that if the igboman replies you, u will either say he is saucy or emotional.

You mentioned tribalism and bigotry.

Tribalism (betraying the south in 2015)

Bigotry (labelling Labor Party as Igbo Party and Peter Obi as Ipob candidate)

Seems like some people are on heart attack.
Imagine what could happen if Kwankwaso pitches tent to Labor or when the campaign train starts.

Get your popcorn and drink, sit back and enjoy

At last

Question 1
Let's assume South East gave either of them 285 votes (bloc vote), will they have won the primaries.

Question 2
Is Ogbonnaya Onu in-charge of APC Abia structure.
How do you expect Rochas to get vote from Imo delegates knowing the debacle he and Hope Uzodinma had from 2018-date
Is Nwajiuba in-charge of APC imo structure.
Is Mokelu in-charge of APC structure in his own state.

Question 3
If the SE gave bloc vote to any of the people, will someone like you not spin the narrative that SE plays politics of bitterness, tribalism, ethnicity and hatred instead of building bridges.

Everytime Igbo man no sabi politics, Igbo man should build bridges et al.

If igbo man no sabi politics, who come sabi the politics. As if this is the first time stuff like this happening.

Why Donald Duke dumped PDP for SDP, was there no factional issues there. Everybody know that the man in question is under the payroll of somebody, likewise that woman that stepped down for Tinubu yesterday. That woman go fit carry her 100M go buy form for something she is not sure of.

Its just a distraction aimed by some elements in the big party to derail his ambition. The media popularity replicated by the real desire of people to register and get their PVC is giving them heartache.

Am sure when the saw that video of Alaba people should get PVC, Amalgamated Union get PVC and also the recent Kwankwaso visit to galvanize basis.

If the delegate have given bloc of 95 votes in PDP and bloc of 285 votes in APC, will that have made them presidential aspirant

AntiMahdi:
Bia, you will not only hear but you will henceforth conduct and behave yourselves in sensible manner and with docurum.

Odikwa Egwu.

You wia screaming betrayal betrayal. Please define betrayal for me.

In 2015, SS had a chance to complete their turn in PDP, who scuttled it. SW formed an alliance with NW and that is what causing issues in the polity. T

When everybody dumped PDP and you people called it Ipob party, which ethnic group held the party. The party leader then was Ekweremadu and he relinquished it to Saraki as soon as the nPDP returned.

What did the SE gain in the long run. SS (thru Wike) began to push the narrative of open zoning. The same man that denied his igbo heritage (and even advocating for VP then), switched to wearing red cap and even went as far as denigrating Obi in front of his people. Is there any place the other aspirant denigrated the co-aspirant. While Wike is doing that, Jonathan (the man) dt was suppose to bring some form of reality check in the party (considering how Igbo's supported him both in party level and wider election) was busy rooting for APC consensus candidate.
At the end of the primaries, we know how that ended.
He came back to complain of sabotage from the south while the media wing comes to talk about Igbo man not showing serious desire for the seat.

Now I want to ask you and your likes these question

1. Who betrayed the south in 2015? What was the rationale behind the betrayal?

2. How did the Igbo people betray in PDP when the SS contested in a primaries they were suppose to rally round just like the SE caucus (under the late Ekwueme) did.

3. If the SE had given bloc vote of 95 delegate to an igbo aspirant in the PDP, is he going go win when he has only 5 states.

4. How did the igbo people betrayed the APC when the SW contested and won. Even the Lawan consensus candidate bid from the party leadership failed cause the northern governors wanted power to go south.

5. If the SE had given bloc vote of 285 delegate to an igbo aspirant in the APC, will he have emerged Presidential Flag bearer.

Let me give you one of your lines

If the SE had given bloc vote to one of their aspirants in any of the party, you and your likes would said on any platform that the SE plays tribal politics.

In conclusion, there is obsession with the SE from some people. SE lives rent-free in the brain and mind of many people

If the SE walk out of the political scene, they read meaning into it.
If the SE give bloc votes to something, they read meaning into it.
If the SE become passively involved, they read meaning into it.
If the SE ignore their politician, the read meaning into it.
If the SE deal with their politician, they read meaning into it.

AntiMahdi:
You guys hate the truth especially when it is about you.

Anyways, we are still watching you because we expect you Igbos to do another Nzeribe by next year

Why do you people deceive themselves on social media.

You wrote an Epistle and I true igbo man said "we have heard, next!!!!!" , and you are calling Nzeribe.

I think its time that igbo people adopt this response.

We have heard, Next!!!!

You have won

You done win. Nobody deh drag with you

Jlow2:
lagos -ibadan express news, when you hear somebody say Igbos re there own problems, or Igbos re not ready to be president,or Igbos dnt luv there self, its common with southerners or northern Christians whom hate Igbos because of there gaint strides, they will never tell you how Igbos have supported almost every region in nigeria since 1999, sw ne 1999-2007, ne ss 2007-2010, ss nw 2010-2015, ask them which region has ever supported the south east and what sacrifice have they made for southeast, we re informed and will never subscribe to cheap blackmai

May your days be longs and fruitful brother.

The only good thing they can do is support Lawan in the primaries and back Obi in the main election.

The politics is not so complex

WATCHOVER:
Wike is not a member of the BOT the final decision makers of a party, leave Wike alone he was not even a member of the committee that was saddled with the responsibility to recommend which way to Go

Well sha..this one have passed sha

WATCHOVER:
With due diligence and attention please let's look at this critically do you think if the Party leaders had taken a stand that it should be Zoned to East that Wike will comeout to contest? The party leaders were Intimidated, they lack Will tenacity, Governor Sam Ortom Double statement says it all

I want to ask something, did Wike for once make a statement that PDP should zone to SE.
I want to ask something how many people expressed interest first from the SE before Wike. In 2015 the SE took the risk against all odds to back Jonathan from SS.

Even the APC is about to score another own goal with these SW agitation. A bloc vote in the south with a bit of middle belt vote is enough to win election self but

WATCHOVER:
How do you comprehend self? Was he talking about SE governors?

What is wrong with black people. He mentioned Southern Governors (SE governors included). I want to ask something, under normal circumstance, should Wike from SS contest for the primaries when the agitation was suppose to be for SE. Is that not over ambition and arrogance due to access to huge financial warchest. Non of the aspirant insulted anybody but Wike was busy doing that.

You people should start seeing things critically.

Dapson73:
No serious contender from south east. Not even Obi.
All they crave for is VP.

Wike is a man with balls. I love his sagacity.
If he had added a bit decorum and settle his dispute with others in the party like Obaseki and co, probably he will clinch the Ticket.

Any which way, the future will always pave way for Wike politically. History will always be kind on him.

Brother, if Wike had backed SE ambition, do you think the North would have tried to contest. If u follow Atiku den, he sent Dokpesi to advocate for one term

My issue is Wike is this..if you know that you will come as Igbo man 2 years later, while claim you are not igbo 2 years ago.

His criticism of Peter Obi and other igbo politician did not help matters

"We have heard, Next!!!"

Wike betrayed the SE. It was only natural that the other south paid him back in kind.

Man of God

"We have heard, Next!!!!"

"We have heard. Next!!!"

Henceforth Igbo people in nairaland should reply them with the comment.


"We have heard. Next!!!"

casualobserver:
so basically he left not because of the 35k but because he knows he couldnt win so he left to a place where there is no competition. You are speaking with both sides of your mouth as you people always do.

The only way a south against north in PDP is by consensus south with some votes in the north.

There are 774 LGA (majority being in the north). Now the transactional and tribal nature of delegate politics further makes it harder for a southern candidate to emerge.

There was not consensus in the south with several schools of thought backing several people. Its obvious that majority of the southern governors of PDP backed Wike except Obaseki and Udom (maybe)

why should someone carry on with $35k for something that will yield almost Nothing. Do you put your money in ventures that you are almost certain not to get return or rewards in

Obi wants to be on the ballot for the election not just mere attendant for party presidential election under PDP.

You have overflogged this issue and is yet to convince me on the so called Igbo politics.

casualobserver:
in politics you will spend money, it doesnt mean you will win but you will spend, if you do n ot want to spend, then politics is not for you. He will spend more in Labour party (and will still lose) than any amount he would have spent had he stayed in PDP and won or lost. All the expenses of the Labour party are now on him and he will lose and I guarantee you he will spend more than he would have spent on delegates in PDP.

Most of these smaller parties do not even have physical secretariats or offices in many states, who is going to pay for these vital infrastructure? When you rent office then you will paint and furnish, he will then realise that $35k for 700 delegates in PDP is a bargain for having access to the existing infrastructure of a party like PDP and if you win, you wont shoulder the financial burden on your own!!!!

He wants to be on the ballot, he does not want to spend the $35k and still not be on the ballot.

casualobserver:
he didnt know that one before he entered the race, is it not the same PDp that was spending money on delegates in 2019 or because it wasnt his money then he didnt mind, now that it is his money he developed a consciemce? You said he doesnt want to spend money, i asked who does he think is going to fund labour party that doesnt have national structure, party agents in all the polling booths, who is going to pay? or he thinks somebody else will pay for him to become president like 2019 with Atiku?

This is Nigerian politics, you will pay the expenses of your party members, accommodation, if you dont want to be robbed you will pay judges...thats the game many injunctions and lawsuits will come. Election time is when certain groups (lawyers, judges, officials of different govt agencies, party delegates etc etc etc etc) make money in Nigeria and it is highest bidder, If you dont have or want to spend money, you are in the wrong business...go home now.

if you are not ready for Nigerian politics stay at home. Democracy is not cheap anywhere in the world!!! When labour party finish with Obi he will run back to PDP and beg!!!!

Why are your crying more than the bereaved. How much did Wike spend yet nothing to show for that. How much did Saraki spend per delegate..

In politics you will spend money but when it becomes like stock exchange where the value can go as high as 35,000$. U want him to spend all that money for almost nothing...how much did Wike spend

casualobserver:
Drink from your own cup and tell yourself the truth, Nigerian politics is about money, if you dont want to spend your money then you are not ready to be president or you know deep down you cant win.


Who is going to fund the labour party that he has ported do, or you think having agents in 774 local govts is cheap? travel accommodation etc, who will pay for all the party reps? The money he didnt want to spend, he will spend, this time it will be for a lost cause. There is no way Peter obi can singularly fund the expenses required for a National election of a small party, which means he has already lost before he starts. When he is done he will ask himself who sent him to be quoting stats on the platform!

There is no way you succeed in Nigerian politics without either you or someone building a political structure and spending money especially when you do not have government apparatus and incumbency on your side..

Nawa for you..

It was reported that some people spent 35,000$ for delegate...do you think he has such money to fund ordinary delegate election. That is not even the main election when their will be branded bus, rallies, vote buying, party agent etc

casualobserver:
keep deceiving yourselves, Is Peter Obi a governor? Is Atiku a governor, is Tinubu a Governor, Is amaechi a governor? SW that voted for Wike how many serving PDP governors do they have? keep lying to yourselves!!!! You guys are unreal!!!! it is a basic principle of life, charity begins at home!!!!! if you cannot sell yourselves to your own people how can you sell yourselves to outsiders?

Atiku is a high profile wealthy business man
Tinubu have been holding largest economic state ransom for 20plus years
Wike is the Governor of oil-rich Rivers State

Obi is wealthy but does not want to waste his money against moneybags.

The problem I have with you people is that you people don't like to tell yourself the truth.

casualobserver:
My friend the least one would expect if indeed there was injustice towards the SE is that the SE at least vote for their candidate....abi no be so? The truth is your own voting pattern towards your own candidates is proof that PDp was right not to zone the presidency to the SE, SE is unelectable. The 1st job of a political party is to win elections, no serious National political party will zone its ticket to a zone or person incabable of winning the votes in its own zone talk less nationaly.


Always making excuses and blaming others for your failures.

The issue has been addressed...........1) Charity begins at home 2) Serious Parties choose flag bearers that give them the biggest chance of victory in elections!!!!! In life if people are constantly not choosing you the problem is you, if you keep being passed on for certain roles, if women keep rejecting you, if men keep rejecting you, if you invite people and people dont come, whatever the issue may be, if it becomes a recurring decimal in your life, the problem is you!!!! You need to fix yourself!!!

This is the first time there have been an agitation for SE president in PDP. We have always done support for SW and SS, that is why this issues are emanating. These issues relating to votes would not have been there had it been a SE governor contested. Obi left power in 2013, Anyim Left power in 2015


The SE went for a strategic option by distributing the votes based on understanding. Umahi's defection and loss of Imo state was a huge blow to any aspirant coming. Who would finance such expensive exercise from Igbo land.

casualobserver:
You are still talkin ga bout "the North" there is no the North only a party that wants to win and recognises their best candidate to win is Atiku. Obi and Wike are local champions, they sell well in their enclaves but they are not exportable to the northern masses and that is where the votes are. As far as SE is concerned until you people realise that an Ibo candidate is unelectable in Nigeria and go back to the drawing board and change your mindset and appraoch to to others, always bnlaming others for your self inflicted misfortunes, you will be always be stuck in this political rut!!!

The problem of the SE is the SE...get that into your head!!! SW and SS aren't asking for SE help to become president because they have made alliances in the North which is where the votes are. You cant keep antagonising everybody then when time comes for election blame the North or the rest of the south...do your own work and make yourselves electable.

A man who doesnt understand where he goes wrong will continue making the same errors over and over again. Your problem is not the North or the rest of the South, your problem is you!!! This idea of a Northern gangup or a southern betrayal is something you tell yourselves to avoid facing your harsh realities!!! The reason no one is zoning the Presidency to the SE is because Nigerians are either not comfortable with a SE president orthe main parties feel the SE is unelectable and will only lead to certain defeat. Thats the harsh reality!!

As far as Tinubu is concerned let's see what plays out, you cannot impose consensus unless the candidates themselves agree. The fact that you want to do something (cabal) does not mean you will be able to. In Nigeria there are only 3 political forces: Buhari, Tinubu and PDP. APC is nothing without Buhari or Tinubu, similarly that is no individual in PDP who has enough clout to triumph nationally without PDP, i.e can go to another party and win. Atiku tried many times he failed, he needs PDP to win. No individual in PDP has the political influence of buhari or Tinubu. Every individual that becomes president under PDP does so largely (80%) because of the party and less because of the individual. There is no "big man" in PDP the likes of Tinubu or Buhari....not even Atiku. Tinubu and Buhari are organic politicians, there are a movement. Atiku needs an existing structure and then he will buy his way, he himself has no pull, his political destiny is based on deep pockets, highest bidder politics, not idealogy or any grassroots movement.
the combination of Atiku and PDP is a strong force, it is PDP's best chance but it will fail again against a united Tinubu/Buhari.

One last thing, SE have 100 PDP delegates, Anyim got 7 votes, before you point fingers at the SS, SW and the North, go and ask your SE brothers what happenned to the remaining 93 SE delegate votes!!!

Another long epistle without addressing the a issue. It was the actions of SE and SW in PDP that lead to throwing up of the PDP race open. Had it been the representative of the 17 southern states have insisted on zoning to the SE, it would have been like both 2011 and 2015.

For the state of SE producing the President. Time will determine the fate of Nigeria. The reason while SE have not been is because we supported and backed Jonathan against all odds

Tinubu should get the ticket first.

We have 100 delegate but how many State Governor. You all saw how PDP lost Imo and Ebonyi. Enugu and Abia governor went for the senate.


Let's allow time to past

casualobserver:
. You are talking absolute nonsense, you are too emotional to ever be successful politicians. Obi and Wike did not lose because they are southerners, they lost because they are unelectable where it matters….the North!!! PDP wants to win and their duty is to present a candidate that gives them the best chance to win, that candidate is not Obi, that candidate is not Wike. If Wike or Obi had been welcomed in the north the way Tinubu was welcomed by the masses and delegate, one of them would be the PDP flag bearer. You cannot be a local champion and expect to be given a national ticket by default. I believe Wike when he says Peter Obi would have lost in Anambra!!!!

There is no northern gang up. They are just better politicians than you and know the job of a politician is to win and to win you must present a candidate that can get you votes. Until you develop the maturity to see this you are not ready for politics.

Why are you being sentimental. Did I mention Northern gang-up here.

What I said is simply this. The ambitious nature of SW and SS politician in not backing zoning to SE (using the we want a competent candidate) is what created the loophole that the north is using now

Have APC given Tinubu the ticket since he is popular according to you, why do you think they shifted their primaries.
Why do you think APC is bringing Jonathan or why is Orji Uzor Kalu and Hope Uzodinma rooting for Lawañ.
Even APC that was saying zoning to the south is even considering throwing that zoning stuff away.

The problem for both parties are the SW and SS. They thought that due to the influence and affluence, they could sideline the SE.

casualobserver:
Remind me again how many votes any of them got in the primaries? Peter Obi is the symbol of the SE and he will pull SE votes away from PDP and both parties will remmember. The party that wins in particular will remmember they win without SE support…..God help SE if that ends up being PDP.

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Thats where you got it wrong. Instead of shouting SE, you should blame SS and SW that refuse to back the SE agitation. Had it been SS and SW threw their support for SE, do you think north will try their luck.

Instead of insisting on SE president, SW ànd SS were just shouting South. Today both of them are complaining.

Events of yesterday have shown that SE as the bride of 2023 election

Both parties could go SE vice-president.

Atiku might go with a running mate of igbo extraction in a bid to unite the party (Ugwuanyi, or Okowa). He knows that PDP needs SE/SS before the election.

If APC picks Jonathan, the running mate will be Buni
If APC picks Lawan , the running mate with Okorocha, Ogbonnaya or Amaechi