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thewebcraft:
No

Hmm even without solid points to form an odd?

thewebcraft:
"form that uses jquery onkeyup" how would css control that.?, Responsive design is more of Layout and less features.
m.facebook.com.

Since mobile friendliness isn't about layout alone hope you are convinced that responsive design ain't it.

thewebcraft:
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For Me, these points doesn't sound like you are talking about responsive design at all, except the web developer. doesn't understand what it means then he can make the mistakes you mentioned.

1. "Responsive sites load slow on mobile and consumes users data(megabytes)." WTF?, it all depends on your site contents when designing a responsive site you have to add less sized images..

2. Less low-end device/browsers support. -- Every developer should know that opera and some other browsers do not support HTML5 so there is always a backup css for that.

3. Facebook, YouTube and google are not doing it - False why is there m.fb.com, m.youtube.com and m.google.com, this was created because it loads images in smaller quality and also some features has been removed....

Brother u are yet to make any solid point...
Your second point: css is not enough to control contents that you will rendering to mobile browsers if you are a true programmer u will know this. For example let's say you have a form that uses jquery onkeyup event for some manipulations these stuffs won't work on opera mini can css control that?

Your third point: m.fb.com is not responsive it supports my views

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goalburner:
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romme2u:
in ma opinion, it is the post above me that is making sense. employing RWD mostly depends on the target users. if a large portion of ur users are going to come from low-end mobile based on the service or product u have on offer, then a mobile site should cater for those.

i can nullify all the point raised by the op but i got no time to engage in useless fights .

instead i will advise the op to research on ADAPTIVE DESIGN and LAZY LOADING

Before i leave the scene, mobile site was in existence before RWD went viral. Google, Yahoo and Facebook built their mobile site before the era of RWD to cater for users who were on the go to access their account for updates. moreover, it was an era of low end mobile devices, not smartphones that are prevalent today which have capabilities of desktop/laptop.

Finally, there are a lot of things that u cannot as a user perform on mobile version of site, that u would be advised to use the full desktop version (even by the site owners).

A responsive site isn't mobile friendly since it can't cater for low end mobile devices... Google launched Google plus in the Era of modern smartphones but believe me even Nokia 3110 will access G+ wella

DonSegmond:
Exactly, laptop will never make you a great programmer. Sure, it might improve productivity, but knowledge will improve productivity far better than any CPU/Memory combo will. Just buy whatever you can afford, learn your tools and craft very well and you will do great things.

Brother you are wrong. A powerful PC will make coding easier for pros imagine all the lagging you will get when you try to run android studio + emulator +wamp+ a web browser and note++ on a system with 2GB memory

Edit 12/2020
If u have a computer with low spec, try web development. Especially HTML, CSS and basic Javascript.

Edit 05/2022
Still go for Web development if you have a low spec PC. Don't get stuck watching tutorials for too long. Build small small side projects after learning for 3 months or more. You can show those projects to your potential first boss.

Tech pays, keep learning

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ps3o:
i understand you...but u are not getting my point so well.think outside the box- the m.facebook.com is the mobile version of Facebook desktop PC coded separately. i aint referring to this example, rather a one-size-fits-all.don't u know that before Facebook desktop view redirects to that of the mobile version, a script checks the screen width before determining where to land to? doesn't that amount resource use?
though nairaland was coded as pbnl, it still kept responsiveness. forget about bandwidth! that will be handled by the web host if u opt for the best. and if the data used by the users remains your concern...then I guess your aim to develop a meaningful website useless.
my submission is very straight forward. follow your instinct!

What are you saying?

blueyedgeek:
Actually when doing responsive design, it's best approached from a mobile first perspective meaning that you design the most basic components first and then extend and improve for high end devices. By the way, look into zurb foundation's interchange for a client side only way of partially loading html content on the fly meaning that a truly responsive site would load different content based on user's device. With interchange, a browser only downloads what it needs thereby saving data. Another thing to point out is the way different browsers treat css's display:none, for some browsers, when they encounter this rule, they still download the same content as high end devices but opera mini (which seems to be your main concern) doesn't. Read through this link for the break-down http://timkadlec.com/2012/04/media-query-asset-downloading-results/
See first response.
Google just implemented a new policy that actually favors responsive sites in their search engine, so basically if your site isn't mobile responsive (responsive not a different m.subdomain.com) you won't get a good ranking on Google. Also, it would do you well not to think of responsive design as the best solution to everything. Sometimes having a dedicated mobile site is a better solution and for sites like Facebook, Twitter and Google, it is justified. Facebook for example has about 751 million people accessing Facebook from their mobile devices and this merits having a separate mobile site well tailored for mobile users. The last sentence in your post about nobody being able to counter your points is just arrogant, we are all in this to learn, if you present a good argument people would see merit in it and will agree with you.

In the tech world we don't defend things just because we love them who loves the stress of designing a site multiple times to suite different platforms? I will say not me. Responsive design is just for people that can't afford the resources and time but the best practice is to code multiple times.

And about SEO believe me your responsive site won't rank above Facebook on search results it will even rank lower because Google crawler for mobile might be spending too much time downloading you media query css. Google gives room for m.domain.com in their crawling algorithm

bassdow:
Also if you noticed, the mobile versions are mostly stripped out version of the main website. Things and features such as JavaScript and other web technologies that aren't available on low end devices would be stripped out in favor of performance and speed.

I have seen many websites that either won't load or will look very awful if only JavaScript is disabled. Now this is where Mobile version might come into play. Still yet, Responsive design would always still be used and must be employed because Responsive designs is all about looks and not features.

Now there is a rule I always follow - I design web project to work on all devices irrespective of whether JavaScript/JQuery is enabled or not. I only use them for added functionality.

You ain't making a point but you understand why Google and fb ain't responsive. You are good on that one

Here are some cool dedicated versions for opera mini designed by the bosses.
People wer get brain go learn from this thread sha... But Thomas will wait for Jesus to come again and touch him

bassdow:
It's only upcoming and inexperienced web designers/developers that would upload images to the server without optimizing the image. I do optimize all images before even uploading them to the server. You will be surprised that that Image of 4mb will be reduced to about 1mb or less without any noticeable physical visual difference.
The problem is that there are far lots of people parading themselves as website designers with some even calling themselves developers. I take my time in doing my Jobs and I don't always rely on CMS. Even when an experienced designer/developer uses any CMS, they will always use it differently and more efficiently that the inexperienced ones.

Optimising image is part of responsiveness? And don't you think it's server side that does the optimization?

bassdow:
OP, I and many other webmasters (both experienced and inexperienced) believe responsive design is the way to go. Just because some popular companies like google and facebook have mobile versions doesn't mean they aren't using it. I believe Facebook and Google are still using the mobile versions partly because they the domains have already existed even before the advent of Responsive designs. Another reason might be to reduce the stress on server resources.

Moreover, I have noticed it's not all Google's domains/Products that have mobile versions. When you visits some of their websites/Products, it either always displays the web version or Simply tells you that your browser isn't supported.

Just like others here have said and I must agree with them; it all depends on the coder, and the purpose of which the website is to accomplish.
High traffic websites might benefit from using a sub-domain to host the mobile version of their website.


PS: Also I forgot to say that responsive design isn't all about making websites look cool on old outdated devices BUT rather to make web pages look as if they were exactly and actually designed for the device of which it's currently being displayed on be it on a wide screen PC, Tablets of various display sizes and even on mobile phones of varying screen sizes.

Google and Facebook won't compromise for responsive design because they have good programmers (don't ever say it depends on who is bla bla...) Google have enough resources that even their products like adsense, analytics, +, Gmail, inbox and so on have dedicated versions for various platform. Funny enough Gmail, Google plus and Facebook work perfectly on old browsers and OperaMini on a feature phone like Nokia 2700 classic till date. But open your responsive site on such device and see

FincoApps:
I don't think you understand. For example, when you type http://facebook.com, depending on your profile, it downloads about 4-8mb wort of data. For http://m.facebook.com, it's just about 1mb.

The point is if Facebook had used responsive design, when you try to open it on mobile, it would still download 4-8mb wort of data but would render like http://m.facebook.com which could be 1mb. Thus the OP's point

Thanks jare your brain is there. That is one point and you can even point more from same face book. Like that chat interface on pc and mobile (old mobiles and opera mini) responsive design can't give you that

ps3o:
I totally disagree with your statement, Mr OP. what is RESPONSIVENESS in web? isn't it not the flexibility of layout to adjust to device used to access? if you say YES, how then would u think that it chops server/bandwidth.
to all upcoming designers and developers, ensure to consider screen sizes of all users when developing.

You can try this: get an image that is about 4mb resize it to 32x32 using css, load the page and see if the web browsing won't download 4mb of 32x32 image. The big players know this... We are all learning

onyengbu:
You do not just come to a forum like this one and throw around your opinions which you probably gathered from another source as if you are an authority by saying that nobody can counter you. That's damn arrogant and that will also reflect in the replies you are going to get. Even Einstein wouldn't say that.
Your assertion that responsive sites download all high res contents rubishes that piont because you completely forgot or is not aware that there are server side codes to detect mobile devices.

That alone makes whatever you posted here meaningless. so I have countered you and I won't even bother for back and forths.

When you use server side codes and if statements to render contents you ain't really doing responsive design again o. Cause the opposite of responsive design is to detect user device and provide unique contents for them while responsive design looks more are screen size.

Get your points right before you take small *nobody can counter me* to insult me. I did my research before posting this topic. The only reason why you should do responsive design is when you lack time and resources for a good job.

yawatide:
My humble rebuttal:

1) Depends on the coder and/or the technologies used. Let's not forget that the purpose of RWD is to emphasize content over design. Where you have an RWD site that is heavy on graphics, you have a problem.

2) Again, depends on coder. RWD is all about media queries. If you don't master this and are not comfortable with using a reputable theme, don't bother going for the technology

3) Just because Google and facebook don't use it shouldn't be justification for you not to use it. Do you know their justifications for not doing so? So if they decided not to have a website at all, would you also be willing to say owning a website is bad just because they don't have one? I think we should be careful about following the crowd/herd and strive to be our own person

In your first point you are speaking for me and not against me. Should we all go for low media sites because we want responsive design? Low media might even mean getting rid of some hyper tech jquery and javascripts (cause now end phones don't handle these stuffs wella)

Your second point about it depends on who is using it... So Facebook and google lack the technical know how? Maybe that is why they designed multiple times for different platforms

Point 3 is pointless... What if Google and Facebook decide not to have a website? Are you serious? Like Google went into manufacture of sun shades and Facebook public library business even these businesses will need a small website.

I have seen a lot of webmasters on Nairaland over hyping responsive web design.
I am going to state 3 reasons why responsive design sucks and why you should take the stress of designing mobile versions of your site.

1. Responsive sites load slow on mobile and consumes users data(megabytes). This is very true as responsible sites download same high resolution contents that were designed for pc version of the site it only useless css to cut some put and change width and height for others.

Unlike responsive design a lite simple dedicated mobile version won't include contents that are heavy.

2. Less low-end device/browsers support. A responsive site might look good on high-end mobile devices and browsers but it is the opposite on opera mini and stock browser of older devices.

3 . Facebook, YouTube and google are not doing it so you should know that it is crappy. That is all and nobody can counter these points

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Dharniel:
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Cause the source here is a connected blogger. Nairaland has its own politics too