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Pdizzle:
Well, rape is not universally wrong. Take places like the middle east for example, and in situations of male guardianship law in Saudi. The big story about a tourist that was raped in UAE, and she was detained herself is still on the internet, with claims she caused it. You know that can't happen in the west even with a woman that is drunk, and so provocatively dressed you still get to go to jail. Morality varies with societies, hence it is subjective.

benzics:
Lol, you are f-ucking hilarious doc
I didnt say lions kill antelopes to protect themselves, that was just a similar scenario.. And incase you don't know, lions kill antelopes for food, that's the reason

Bitter Leaves are green, just because another person comes up with "bitter leaves are red", does that make bitter leaves red?

benzics:
Jonbellion, did you read the bolded?

Please doctor, can you define "opinion"?

It's just like me giving a terrorist a clear headshot with my sniper rifle, blowing his brains out.. And then I tell you all" he is dead", someone then says "it is my opinion", that in his own opinion the terrorist is not dead.. . WTF

benzics:
Same reason you are not punishing soldiers for killing terrorists to protect you!!

What a group of individuals think doesn't change the truth

jonbellion:
but even if there was actually a divine command theory fo the rapists still agree rape is wrong
No
rape is wrong because it denies the most basic rights of the individual. It takes the freedom of action and choice away from the vi as simple as that. The rapists might not feel that way but it's the fact but it disrupts privacy just as murder violates an individuals basic right to be alive
I feel this is as absolute one can get
But if we want to go with the christian belief
Pre marital sex is wrong even within two consenting adults
So what exactly males it wrong without using biblical backup

dalaman:
You have no sense my friend. When the whites in the USA congrees sat down and made laws criminalizing raciail discrimination in all parts of the US against the wish of majority of the whites living in the South did the people not accept it. All laws are made by law makers and not everybody. About half of Americans are against gay rights but just 5 supreme court justices have made gays rights law in the US. Law makers make lawan for everybody. They care not if you agree to it or not. When majority feel the laws are not in their interest they select law makers to change it.
Gays were not allowed to serve openly in the US military and the law makers voted to enforce it. After a while the same law makers voted to repeal it and allow gays to serve in the military. All these were done by a congress that had less that 1% gays in it.

benzics:
We, humans! Because it causes HARM! You may say some people don't agree that rape is bad, but I already explained what WRONGS are... Anything that causes harm, and wasn't done in protection!

DoctorAlien:
Do rapists agree? Certainly not. If I decide today that rape is good, all the rapists in the whole world agree with me. We are humans too. We would declare too that rape is good.

You now see how foolish your answer is?

dalaman:
Humans did. Humans made that declaration.

benzics:
YES!!
You cannot justify rape!

dalaman:
You said humans can't enforce meal absolutes and I just asked you who enforces laws against rape?

dalaman:
Who enforces rape as a rule?

DoctorAlien:
So far so good, no "atheist" has been able to tell us why they cling to moral absolutes, when they can't even tell who declared them absolute, and what authority the person/group of persons have to do so. Also, no atheist has been able to tell us why the laws of logic exist, and how the laws came about, and why they use the laws of logic, how humans could possibly know about the laws and why the laws of logic are universal, binding, immaterial and unchanging.

Conclusion: atheism is a very illogical and inconsistent ism?

felixomor:
Allow him to wobble. Even those atheists smarter than him dodged the question.

dalaman:
Moral absolutes were declared by humans. Rape is wrong because it inflicts pains on the victims. Human beings have the ability to sell reflect and empathize with others, that is why over the years we evolve some moral absolutes. Morality must be learned.

Splinz:
Bro do you know there's a conspiracy to kill this thread?

I've been trying to bump it in order to keep it afloat, but no. Seems Seu.n's mods are against these truths.

dalaman:
The action of your God embarrases you. I wast the one that was telling guys to marry their rape victims. It was your God who you claim to be the source of morality. Even you are ashamed of his injunctions. Will you allow a man that rapes your daughter to marry her? Your God doesn't see anything wrong with it and told people to do so.

dalaman:
Ask your God. He was busy rewarding men that raped women by teling them to marry their victims. He was busy sharing virgins as war booty. Does your God who you claim is the source or morality see rape as absolutely wrong? No he doesn't.

dalaman:
Just cutting the chase. Your position is that morality is from the God of the bible and am trying to show you that he doesn't consider rape as a bad thing since he rewards rapist with their victims as wives.

dalaman:
The bible doesn't see rape as a bad thing. If you rape a lady you will be rewarded with her as your wife.