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dalaman:
There are no moral absolutes.

dalaman:
Humans can create moral.absolute laws. A few men ended slavery and criminalized slavery. Same with genocide. A few men criminalized it.

hopefulLandlord:
can there be good or bad without a god?

who made rape wrong in China?

until you tell me the god that gave the Chinese their morals I think I'm done here

dalaman:
Yes. In Saudi Arabia the views of a few men have turnew something like driving for women into a crime.

felixomor:
Guy, u r dodging so many questions.
Why will u be scared of yes or no question?

hopefulLandlord:
this is red herring

seems you're now clutching at straws now that I've shown you don't need any god to tell you what's right and wrong with a good example

dalaman:
Who else apart from humans.

hopefulLandlord:
the things they decided as good is good for them! that's why there's no such thing as "objective morality" it varies from place to place

every society needs to make their own rules in order to maintain order as much as possible

China shows you don't need any god to tell you what's right and wrong

back to "Charity"

how did the Chinese see "Charity" as good when there's no god instructing them to? since all their religion is technically atheistic in nature

hopefulLandlord:
DoctorAilen

I'm still waiting for your definition of "Murder"

dalaman:
What you are saying has also been addressed by other threads so I will stay and I won't back down. Why is rape and murder bad when your God whom you claim is the source of morality, is all over the place in the bile commanding people to carry out genocide and rape?

hopefulLandlord:
nope you've not

morality comes from a god, that's what this thread is about

Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism does not involve any god and they're able to decide on what's right and wrong; how did they do that without any god telling them?

I would love to see you twist out of this

dalaman:
Rape was so good to your God that he watched as his chosen men happily shared virgins as war booty. He even asked rapist to marry their victims.

The bible is filled with genocide and murder as commanded by your God yet you are still talking about murder as a bad thing?

felixomor:
They are only trying to hang on some shreds of morality so they wont be despised like the atheists of old

ValentineMary:
Yes u can. But do u know the future No. Does ur said God know the future? Yes. So if God knows that his purpose would fall through, yet he goes ahead to give someone a purpose which he knows would eventually fail. I don't know how u still don't see the inconsistencies here man. [/i]

ValentineMary:
Did u even read what I wrote? I said we choose our purpose. They are not integrated into us.

God gave man freewill yet he has a purpose for us You still don't see the inconsistencies right?

hopefulLandlord:
okay, so is there any manmade law against that?

hopefulLandlord:
give me examples of those things universally agreed on as "good"

hopefulLandlord:
the law is binding so long you're living in the environment of that law, you're subjected to it

people gave the lawmakers the authority

we vote the president, senators, house of reps, Governors, house of assembly, local govt chairmen, councillors etc WE all combined to give them that power; a functioning society needs laws to checkmate things

hopefulLandlord:
and saying absolute morality comes from a god puts you in a position that you can't possibly criticise Al Qaeda, boko Haram for the destructions they're doing since they also are working with absolute morality which comes from their version of god; you also can't possibly criticise the killing of twins, Apostasy laws, Honour killings etc

hopefulLandlord:
He's outraged because violent murder goes against the laws of the land he's in; its a felony

dalaman:
What is the purpose of humans? The universal purpose of humans that is acceptable by all humans on earth is what?

ValentineMary:
Not all atheist believe in absolute morality. Morality is obviously subjective to individuals based on their exposure and knowledge.

DoctorAlien:
Now, some atheists might respond, “That’s right! Morality is subjective. We each have the right to create our own moral code. And therefore, you cannot impose your personal morality on other people!” But of course, this statement is self-refuting, because when they say, “you cannot impose your personal morality on other people” they are imposing their personal moral code on other people. When push comes to shove, no one really believes that morality is merely a subjective, personal choice.

ValentineMary:
We have come a long way in civilization and it is undeniably that survival of the fittest got us here to select the best suited to survive.

But in this case, our morality are guided by secular laws which has to a great extent helped in ensuring our survival.

So u wondering why atheist should bother just keeps me thinking.

ValentineMary:
Humans have no predefined purpose, we choose our purpose. As conscious beings, we can choose what we want. If we have a predefined purpose by a good God, then he/she/it is responsible for all the people who became serial killers, rapist and terrorist. Since he gave them an already defined purpose.
Then that would be incompatible with an all loving being. Purpose are attributes of conscious organisms built in by evolution to ensure survival no matter how complex or primitive it might be.