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PoliticsRe: What Is Usefulness Of NIDCOM? by DomPerignon: 11:14am On Sep 13, 2025
Validated:
I see you have made three consecutive posts without striking any cord, just rambling about. My quest to you is can the so called functions of NIDCOM be performed by the Federal Ministry of Foreign Affairs? If yes, why is Nigeria creating a WASTE PIPE to drain our borrowed fund? Did you read that we spent N2.74Trillions as debt servicing costs?
Last month Nigeria stand in Japan economic expo was empty, where was NIDCOM?
There was a program in Toronto last month, something like Taste of Nigeria where our culture was in display, where was NIDCOM?
Nigeria does not need a commission for people in Diaspora. Does NIDCOM database of Nigerians abroad? Of what use is such a commission when Nigeria embassies are owing rent?
All because Abike exposed your population in prisons abroad.

So NIDCOM should be scrapped because of what exactly ?

And why is it only you guys complaining of both NIDCOM and Abike?

You never talk wetin NIDCOM do you.
PoliticsRe: What Is Usefulness Of NIDCOM? by DomPerignon: 10:47am On Sep 13, 2025
helinues:
They are now questioning the usefulness of NIDCOM

These people can never disappoint. Anything not in their favour can be swapped as they don't just like it
They expect NIDCOM to be get out of jail card.

In another related case, about 20 of them were recently denied entry into Thailand and deported back on arrival

One of them was blaming the Nigerian govt for their ordeal on why the were denied entry .

This is Thailand that now openly discriminates against them.

The Stanley and Thai Police interrogation where the policeman called Ibos the 'curse of Africa' they will not see.

They don't know that the world is taking notes and checking names now.

From SA to India, Ghana to Thailand , they know them very well now.

Instead of them to check themselves and ask the right questions on why their people are engaging in all sort of criminality and do a review of their value system , they will blaming every one else for their current self induced situation.
PoliticsRe: What Is Usefulness Of NIDCOM? by DomPerignon: 10:37am On Sep 13, 2025
BolaAThubv:
NIDCOM is a cash cow established by the Tinumbu faction of APC during the Buhari regime solely for the purpose of employing and engaging Madam Abike Dabiri Erewa. It doesn't matter that she has no mandates, no terms of reference, no targets, no achievements... So long as she has an office linked to her name.

That organization should be disbanded and Madam Abike should go and look for something else to do. She is not adding value and she hasn't added any value from inception till date
If you think the commission was setup to spring your blodas out of jail when they commit offences in foreign counties, then you have a long way to go.


Only you guys complain of this commission.

Are you the only Nigerians in the diaspora?

Why are other tribes not complaining of NIDCOM?
PoliticsRe: What Is Usefulness Of NIDCOM? by DomPerignon: 10:32am On Sep 13, 2025
Validated:
Nigeria has ministry of external affairs. We have embassies and high commissions, we have military attaches in these missions. What is the usefulness of duplicating their functions by creating a useless commission for our citizens in the Diaspora? Does Ghana have GIDCOM or is there something like SAIDCOM? Why do we like to waste our resources in useless agencies?

A nation that survives on borrowing should eliminate useless agencies and commissions like NIDCOM. I have lived in North America for over 10 years, never has anyone asked what I do for a living. To get my passport renewed I have to pay external agencies to help process NIN, yet some lazy people are collecting estacides in the name of useless commissions that add zero value to Nigeria.
India and China have the highest population of immigrants world over. They do not waste resources in the name of Diaspora commission. Same applies to the Philippines, but in Nigeria we find ways to "settle " political cronies in the name of frivolous commissions.

Let 2027 come, most of these useless commissions, committees, agencies, bootlicking and politically motivated agencies would be scrapped and probed.
NIDCOM wasn't set up to be a get-me-outta-jail free card

The functions of the commission are clearly stated in its enabling act and it's to galvanize Nigerians in the diaspora and encourage them to portray the country in good light . The commission promotes cultural activities abroad with the participation of the Nigerian diaspora and also encourages Nigerians abroad to reinvest back home .


Have you watched the ITV series Banged Up Abroad?


Its a TV doc that covers the life of mostly British citizens spending lengthy prison sentences or life sentences in countries abroad.

Most of the time, a British embassy staff visits the inmate to provide basic supplies.

In one of the series, an inmate was sounding frustrated that the British govt wasn't doing anything to spring them out of jail.

The interview then pans to a staff of the British embassy who responded by saying that the British govt has a policy of not interfering in the judicial process of other countries and constantly makes this very clear to their citizens through the Home office that they shouldn't expect any miracles if they violate the laws of other sovereign countries and that they should expect the most basic assistance in terms of providing legal assistance and advice to any of their citizens if they are arrested and convicted for any criminal offense abroad.

Maybe you see America as an example which goes the extra mile to spring their citizens out of jail so as to exert their power over those nations.

Americans presidents do this to assert America's dominance over weaker nations and as a PR stunt by POTUS that he can bring Americans back home and that US citizens enjoy the full protection of their government irrespective of if they break the laws of another nation.

Note that no other nation other than the US and Israel does this for their citizens.

Nigeria is not a lawless country and we respect the laws of other sovereign nation.

NIDCOM wasn't setup to get your blodas out of jail whenever they commit crime abroad.

Take note.
PoliticsEverything They Are Crying For Today , They Orchestrated Against Others by DomPerignon(op): 11:05am On Sep 12, 2025
Azikiwe didn't just stop at ensuring any talk of secession was labeled as Treason in our constitution, he took himself to the inaugural OAU summit held in Ethiopia as Nigeria's representative to sponsor and have a charter passed that ensured all independent member states recognise and see the inherited colonial borders as inviolable.

Zik went to OAU to secure an agreement between all independent African governments to recognise and protect the colonial borders of each member state.

When Ojukwu declared his rogue Biafra, no member state save for Senegal and Tanzania recognized Biafra citing the 1960 charter sponsored and secured by Zik.

Senegal only supported Biafra because they saw Nigeria as too big ana threat to them.

The Julius Nyerere led Tanzania was a communist one back then which was suffering under the delusions of a Zikist Soviet Africa and saw Biafra which was Lee by hot headed Zikist Marxists as the nation to achieve a Soviet African union.


These people have been shooting themselves on their kneecaps and are now crying when what their leaders were pushing are now hunting them.

Isn't it ironic that everything they did to the minorities of both the Midwest and defunct Eastern Nigeria from denying them referendum to leave the Eastern region, to clamping down on Adaka Boro's secessionist movement to marginalising the minorities in all spheres of endeavours their spawns from hell are now crying like pregnant cats today?

Karma is a bitch .
PoliticsRe: Reno Omokri Educates A Follower On Why Nigeria Remains Indissolube by DomPerignon: 9:43am On Sep 12, 2025
Azikiwe didn't just stop at ensuring any talk of secession was labeled as Treason in our constitution, he took himself to the inaugural OAU summit held in Ethiopia as Nigeria's representative to sponsor and have a charter passed that ensured all independent member states recognise and see the inherited colonial borders as inviolable.

Zik went to OAU to secure an agreement between all independent African governments to recognise and protect the colonial borders of each member state.

When Ojukwu declared his rogue Biafra, no member state save for Senegal and Tanzania recognized Biafra citing the 1960 charter sponsored and secured by Zik.

Senegal only supported Biafra because they saw Nigeria as too big ana threat to them.

The Julius Nyerere led Tanzania was a communist one back then which was suffering under the delusions of a Zikist Soviet Africa and saw Biafra which was Lee by hot headed Zikist Marxists as the nation to achieve a Soviet African union.


These people have been shooting themselves on their kneecaps and are now crying when what their leaders were pushing are now hunting them.

Isn't it ironic that everything they did to the minorities of both the Midwest and defunct Eastern Nigeria from denying them referendum to leave the Eastern region, to clamping down on Adaka Boro's secessionist movement to marginalising the minorities in all spheres of endeavours their spawns from hell are now crying like pregnant cats today?

Karma is a bitch .
Foreign AffairsRe: Ghana To Accept Nigerians, West Africans Deported From The US - Mahama by DomPerignon: 10:25pm On Sep 11, 2025
cosade:
Their home countries are not willing to accept them.
Not true.

No country can deny their own.

The reason for choosing Ghana as a hub to dump refugees stems from cost of ferrying each individual deportee to their country of origin.

By choosing one destination, in this case Ghana, several nationalities from West Africa can be sent to one location and from there the Ghanian will then send them to their individual countries.

Ghana was chosen because of its geostrategic location in west Africa as it sits smack in the middle .

It is all down to logistics and costs to the US gov.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ghana To Accept Nigerians, West Africans Deported From The US - Mahama by DomPerignon: 9:19pm On Sep 11, 2025
D00msDay:
Most countries of the deportees have refused to accept their citizens back.
Not true

They simply chose Ghana as a one stop destination point to return all deportees from West Africa instead of sending them to their individual countries which will be far expensive than just dropping them off in Ghana and from there , Ghana carries out a secondary deportation.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ghana To Accept Nigerians, West Africans Deported From The US - Mahama by DomPerignon: 9:15pm On Sep 11, 2025
amazonguru001:
Lol. I dont think so.
Na simple mathematics.

Those deportees are unwilling deportees.
These are people who are not willing to return to their home country for whatever reasons best known to know.
Of course amongst the reasons: shame of deportation, shame of returning with nothing to show for the number of years spent abroad. Apart from the good road, good infrastructure, good environment and background, good clothes and shoes they use in snapping pictures for social media show off, most of this guys have nothing to their names.
Most of them cant even afford a return ticket back to their base if they choose to come home voluntarily for holiday or occasion, hence they rather stay back to keep hustling for daily bread.

The grass is not always greener on the other side.
Ghana sits at the centre of West Africa.

The US chose Ghana to dump all deportees from West Africa .

Its from Ghana , they are expected to be repatriated back home.

It makes sense , since a single flight will carry all deportees of West African deportees to Ghana and from there the Ghanian government will carry out another deportation to their individual countries of origin.
PoliticsRe: Rare Pictures Of Lt General TY Danjuma Being Pulled Out Of The Nigerian Army by DomPerignon: 7:07pm On Sep 11, 2025
gidgiddy:
Doesn't matter if he he pulled the trigger or not. As thr officers who led the Soldiers that abducted Ironsi and Fajuyi, he bears responsibility for theur deaths

If I lead men to go and abduct another man, who winds up dead, it won't matter if someone else pulled the trigger. It won't matter if I was against the man being killed, I will face murder charges

Danjuma was got to where he is in life by being a successful coup plotter
Ironsi deserved every koboko that was used on him before they dispatched him to hell.

Have you ever condemned the Jan 15 coup plotters ?
PoliticsRe: Rare Pictures Of Lt General TY Danjuma Being Pulled Out Of The Nigerian Army by DomPerignon: 7:06pm On Sep 11, 2025
kiddaz:
What are you now celebrating about this crook?
He is a hero for removing that tyrant Ironsi
Foreign AffairsRe: Ghana To Accept Nigerians, West Africans Deported From The US - Mahama by DomPerignon: 6:49pm On Sep 11, 2025
brain54:
Ok boss...

But these are for violent criminals and extreme deporties etc.


They are some others that get deported by ICE for no other reasons than because they have no paperwork and so are illegal entities or entered the US illegally.

I think that is what this one covers.... not for violent criminals!
And I am telling you that there's no way the US govt won't pay Ghana to serve as a hub for dumping West African deportees from the US.

They chose Ghana because of her central position in West Africa and its political stability

Imagine the Tinubu govt accepting any such deal and how the opposition will tear at him for doing so.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ghana To Accept Nigerians, West Africans Deported From The US - Mahama by DomPerignon: 6:43pm On Sep 11, 2025
brain54:
You are saying a different thing now boss...

Ofcourse the US government would beat the cost of sending them to Ghana, the housing and every other logistics involved.

The point I was making is Ghana wasn't receiving any form of payment/profit from receiving the deporties.

Exactly why they didn't want to spend their "personal" money to finance flight expenses for the Gambian.

With the Nigerians they felt the sum was negligible.

So I was right to say Ghana wasn't benefiting "directly" from the arrangement!
Story.

The US govt always deploys their most powerful weapon - the mighty US Dollar as soft power

US that was even paying the Taliban and other warlords in Afghanistan despite waging a war with them?

America's greatest soft power is the USD

Ghana got paid but they are not going to say the did and they may even insist as part of the deal package that the US govt keeps the details of the deal classified outside congressional oversight.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ghana To Accept Nigerians, West Africans Deported From The US - Mahama by DomPerignon: 6:39pm On Sep 11, 2025
Foreign AffairsRe: Ghana To Accept Nigerians, West Africans Deported From The US - Mahama by DomPerignon: 6:34pm On Sep 11, 2025
brain54:
Asylum seekers are also different...

To buttress my point this is what AI said:

"The US has agreements with several countries to accept deportees, but the terms of these agreements vary. While I couldn't find explicit information on whether the US pays countries like El Salvador to accept deportees, it's clear that these agreements are often tied to other diplomatic and economic considerations.

For instance, Ghana's decision to accept deportees from the US was accompanied by trade and visa restrictions imposed by Washington, including raised tariffs on Ghanaian goods and limited visa validity for Ghanaian travelers to the US ¹.

In the case of El Salvador, the country has agreed to accept non-national criminals deported from the US, but the details of this agreement are not publicly disclosed ².

It's worth noting that these agreements are often part of broader diplomatic efforts and may involve various forms of cooperation and compensation. However, without more explicit information, it's difficult to say whether the US is directly paying countries like El Salvador to accept deportees"!
The Trump admin paid the El Salvador govt $6mil to accept and house 300 Venezuelan criminals from the US prison system to El Salvador's mega prison .

That is a whopping $20,000 per prisoner and I am sure it will include other trade , diplomatic and military concessions benefiting El Salvador.

No way the US isn't going to pay Ghana something tangible upfront.
PoliticsRe: Rare Pictures Of Lt General TY Danjuma Being Pulled Out Of The Nigerian Army by DomPerignon: 6:27pm On Sep 11, 2025
keemsleek:
...


It was ojukwu and banjo that went to meet gowon for a coup. Those 2 guys were big bad boys. David Ejoor's book talked about it all.
So any talk of the Jan 15 coup plotters wanting yo handover power to the then jailed Awo is all rubbish.

Their plan was to ensure Azikiwe emerged as civilian dictator in a unitary system.

Ejoor did write about this in his book and shed light on this as well in an interview he granted a National daily.

Even Gowon has spoken out on this incidence despite Gowon's tight lip stance to revisit the past.

I am waiting for Gowon's posthumous Biography as I know he has penned down all that happened .

His version of events should clear the air once and for all on those tragic and avoidable events as Gowon remains the only sincere and most complete gentleman and an officer the Nigerian Army has ever produced.

I am also looking towards mass hysteria from IPOB people when this book drops.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ghana To Accept Nigerians, West Africans Deported From The US - Mahama by DomPerignon: 6:15pm On Sep 11, 2025
brain54:
I would make more research on this...

But right now I doubt. Especially based on his comments. Because he specifically made it sound like they bore the cost from Ghana to Nigeria and he didn't want to spend Ghanian tax payers money on the expenses for the Ghabian.


But I am not arguing with you because I don't have the facts. But what I deducted from his comments!
The fact that he made mention of the Gambian citizen who had to be flown versus that of the Nigerians that were bussed back should tell you that Ghana was not ready to spend out of their budget.

Do you think the US govt won't have made provisions to Ghana to house and then repatriate the deportees back to their countries of origin?

In Rwanda, the British govt even built housing to accommodate asylum seekers whose claims are to be determined from Rwanda and not on British soil.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ghana To Accept Nigerians, West Africans Deported From The US - Mahama by DomPerignon: 6:05pm On Sep 11, 2025
brain54:
This is wrong information...

No one is paying anyone. Rather it seems the Ghanian government is the one bearing the cost from Ghana. Ghana isn't making any money.

I watched mahama say that out of the 14 sent to Ghana... majority of them were Nigerians and since the cost wasn't much they were put on a bus and sent to Nigeria.

He said they was a Gambian and since he couldn't go by road and required air flight they sent a message to the Gambian government and were awaiting their response. Meaning they didn't want to bear the expenses for the flight!
The cost he is talking of is the cost of bussing them back to Nigeria.

The US paid Ghana just as the UK is paying Rwanda to accept deportees as well.

Do you expect the Ghanian govt to go into details on how much the US is paying them to accept taking in deportees?

Trump's govt is paying countries that are accepting not only deportees but also paying counties like El Salvador to take in violent criminals in the US prison system .
PoliticsRe: Rare Pictures Of Lt General TY Danjuma Being Pulled Out Of The Nigerian Army by DomPerignon: 5:54pm On Sep 11, 2025
Racoon:
Tafa Balewa promoted Ironsi Major General on recommendation of the departing Major General Everady the out going GOC. Hatred no go kill you
Story.

In 1963, Zik fooled everyone when he proposed we drop the Queen of England as our ceremonial HoS.

This paved the way for Zik to transform himself from Governor-General to HoS.

A tussle between the NPC and NCNC then arose as Zik had claimed that as HoS he had full powers over the Army.

The constitutional crisis of 1964 was over a dispute within the ruling coalition on who was to control the army

Seeing that the NPC was not backing down, Zik on his own decided to sack Tafa Belewa as PM to which Tafa responded by sacking him back.

Ojukwu even approached Gowon during this period to support a coup he was planning to overthrow the government and install Azikiwe as a unitary civilian HoS dictator to which Gowon flatly refused and reported the matter to the the British Maj General that was heading the army.

The General summoned both Gowon and Ojukwu and reminded ojukwu to whom he as an officer had sworn loyalty to the government of Tafa Belewa.

A concession was later reached between the NPC and NCNC by allowing Zik nominate the successor to the outgoing British Maj General on the explicit condition that it will only be announced and made official by the PM.

So all that nonsense talk of the Jan 15 coup plotters wanting to install Awo is all hogwash as Ojukwu had been planning to overthrow the govt in 1964 towards installing Azikiwe as civilian dictator under a unitary system.

The coup plotters of Jan 15 wanted to install Zik but Zik got cold feet sensing the mood of the north and asked Ironsi whom he had ensured Orizu hand over power to , to hold on for him until nerves calmed.

Zik remains the architect of Nigeria's failure.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ghana To Accept Nigerians, West Africans Deported From The US - Mahama by DomPerignon: 5:41pm On Sep 11, 2025
hacmond:
Ok, but na still dat Ghana wan deport Nigerians in Ghana. Ghanaians are weirdo!!!
They are being paid per evey deportee by the US govt

They will then turn around and deport them back to their countries.

Its a win win for Ghana as they make money from the whole ordeal and get to deport the ones already in Ghana alongside the ones Trump is sending their way.

They will then claim all those they are deporting where the ones Trump sent their way

They will make at least $2,000 per deportee and that's excluding airport taxes and fueling sales they will generate for each aircraft that lands in their airport.
PoliticsRe: Rare Pictures Of Lt General TY Danjuma Being Pulled Out Of The Nigerian Army by DomPerignon: 5:32pm On Sep 11, 2025
Racoon:
Such a fast rise in the army. Abeg how was promotions being done then? Based on what? This was the kind of army that gave rise to Buhari, Dimka, and many others.

This is the man that has a hand in the events of July 28-31 1966 but refused to talk about it. Taraba state has no peace from his co-collaborators.

The last picture seems to be around the Broad Street area of Lagos Island close to CMS bookshop.
How did Ojukwu become a 4 star General ?

How did Ironsi get promoted ahead of his senior and appointed as Head of the Army by Zik?
PoliticsRe: The Arrest Of Igbos Who Call Themselves 'king Of Lagos' Is Evil by DomPerignon: 5:13pm On Sep 11, 2025
givedemwotowoto:
Should the eastern regions also stop the drilling of oil and gas in their regions and distributing revenue nationwide? Don't be trying to make sense of nonsense. Constitution and state law should be your guide over sentiments.
Which oil and gas do you have in your SE?

Last I checked Ondo produces !ore oil than Abia, Anambra and Imo combined.

Or is the oil in SS now your oil?
PoliticsRe: The Igbo Were Never Kingdoms: Reclaiming A Republican Legacy. by DomPerignon: 3:25pm On Sep 11, 2025
gidgiddy:
Let's clap for the slave raiders, they remain a source of inspiration for the Nigerian politicians raiding the treasury
Coming from someone who comes from a society that has a freeborn and slave caste
PoliticsRe: The Igbo Were Never Kingdoms: Reclaiming A Republican Legacy. by DomPerignon: 12:39pm On Sep 11, 2025
gidgiddy:
Thats because you people dont know what Kingdoms are. A true Kingdom has to be both cultural and political. Igbos only have cultural Kingship, not political. In other words, Igbo ki is are custodians of Igbo culture whereever Igbos are in the world

There is King of Fulani in Lagos, the 'Sarkin Fulani Lagos, but even in 200 years, you people will never have the guts to drag him. Let's hear word

If you people cant
Go and find the dictionary's meaning off what a kingdom means before you begin to spew trash

First you say you don't have kings and now you s you have kings .

Confused being.

The only reasons why you never established a kingdom was because there were powerful states breathing down your necks that forbid you of having a king of your own.

A subjugated people are not allowed to have rulers of their own as their territory I a vassal state of that which subjugated and exerted tribute from you.

The Igala and Bini carried out periodic and incessant slave raiding campaigns in your land and even exerted a stipulated tribute of slaves from you that must be provided on demand.

The Igala slave raiding parties used ibo land to source for slaves that were sold onward to Fulani Arab slavers destined for the Saharan slave trade route.

The Binis raided you to supply their Marrano Chewish partners aka Portogese slavers .

When another slave port was established in the oil rivers, the Ago confraternity supplied their own to the coastal middlemen.
PoliticsRe: The Igbo Were Never Kingdoms: Reclaiming A Republican Legacy. by DomPerignon: 12:26pm On Sep 11, 2025
Ko
doncartel:
On point. The best system of government is the Parliamentary Republic as practiced in Germany and Israel. And as practiced during Azikiwe.
So why did the ibo dictator Ironsi who rode on the bloody wave of the ibo coup of Jan 15 dismantle our Parliamentary system ?

Why did your Azikiwe and Ojukwu applaud Ironsi's decree 34?

Why did Orizu refuse to swear in the deputy PM but instead hand power to Ironsi without any consultation with Parliament and MPs in the NPC who were the seniors in the coalition government.

Lastly, you attribute our parliamentary and regional system to Azikiwe as if Zik was the one who drew up the constitution on his own before independence.

Your zik and his Enugu clique did all they could to destroy our constitutional republic by supporting and cheering Ironsi to take over and dismantling our democracy.
PoliticsRe: The Igbo Were Never Kingdoms: Reclaiming A Republican Legacy. by DomPerignon: 12:20pm On Sep 11, 2025
gidgiddy:
Igbos are still repupublicans, that why royalty does not have the weight in Igbo land as it has with other tribes. That one thing some tribes dont understand with Igbos. While other tribes revered their kings, no such thing exists in Igbo land. Kings are seem as more of cultural leaders in Igbo land, as opposed to other tribes who see kings as both cultural and political leaders
So why are you giuys so obsessed today in creating kingdoms everywhere ?

Why is your nollywood so obsessed with portraying ibo society both in the past and present as having monarchies ?

Why are you establishing monarchies in foreign lands ?

This issue of Ibo Republicanism is hogwash.

You didn't have kings because you were not allowed to by powerful neighbours who saw ibo land as a vassal state and place to extract tribute

Any of your ancestors who dared to raise himself as king was in danger of commuting high treason to either the Oba of Bini or the Attah of Igala.

This is the sad awful truth
PoliticsRe: The Igbo Were Never Kingdoms: Reclaiming A Republican Legacy. by DomPerignon: 12:06pm On Sep 11, 2025
Vassal states are forbidden to have their own kings.

The Igala and Bini states had carved out ibo territory as tribute states

Anyone who raised himself as king would have been seen as an usurper and rebellious figure against the Attah of Igala and the Oba of Bini.

Before you must have a King , a sovereign territory aka Kingdom must have been established and be able to defend itself.

This I the reason why Ibo land like many northern minority people never had self rule because they fell under subjugated status.

As per referring to Ibo society as being the source of Republican Democratic idealism, even before ancient Greece is laughable.

Greece, which inspired Rome later had kings just as Rome will later have an Emperor.

Monarchy is the height of human civilization with individual Greek city states exhibiting this in later years until a Macedonian Greek by the he of Alexandria the Great united them under his leadership and conquered most of the then known world.

The early Romans adopted the early Greek Republican system and this period of early Rome is adjudged to be the height of Roman civilization until Julius Caeser who thought himself as Alexandria decided to installed himself as Supreme ruler and tyrant. From that point on the empire beg it's steady collapse.

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