₦airaland Forum

nairalanda1:
Yes, he supports obi, but he is very very right.

VAT is a consumption tax. He's even explained it for you, but you guys just want to play tinubu vs obi

And how do one consume without being productive and gainfully employed?

With this move and clamp down on pyhiscal cash , all those retail outlets not paying tax can be audited .

Also VAT collection at POS retail outlets can now be achieved .

Ofunaofu:
What do the United States and the POTUS have to do with this? Are we operating under the U.S. Constitution here?

Nigeria is a sovereign nation so why bring them into this

Because like the US, we operate a similar federal system with an executive President.

Most of our amended and newly passed security laws are borrowed from same US.

Nigeria's President also has the powers to.issue executive orders and deploy military first and later consult and brief the NASS.

The President of Nigeria has also the exclusive powers to decide Nigeria's foreign policy without recourse to the legislative branch.

Ofunaofu:
Good that you now agree with my observations

Which observation?

The US constitution has same provisions in declaring war and sending troops abroad but the last time the POTUS had congressional authority was in the Vietnam war 1942 against Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania .

Ever since then, POTUS has been bombing and droning as they deem fit.

As I said, get your legislators to initiate the impeachment proceedings.

BarrElChapo:
Nawa oh, our foreign policy is dead dead

How?

Niger needs Nigeria and not the other way round.

Disenfranchised:
Nah tinubu go do all these things you listed.

As President he has exclusive authority on our foreign policy.

Nah green biro he go use isolate that rogue regime.

Ofunaofu:
Section 5(4) of the 1999 Constitution is unambiguous:

The President shall not deploy the Armed Forces on a combat mission outside Nigeria without the prior approval of the Senate.

The issue here is not whether instability in the region is dangerous, everyone agrees that Nigeria cannot afford to have rogue military dictatorship around it's borders.

The real question is whether the President has the constitutional authority to deploy military assets abroad without prior authorization from the National Assembly.

A distress call, invitation, or executive discretion does not override the Constitution. National security concerns do not suspend the rule of law; if anything, they make strict adherence to constitutional procedure even more important.
If the deployment was truly urgent, nothing stopped the President from seeking emergency approval, the Constitution already provides mechanisms for that. Acting first and explaining later is not how a constitutional democracy operates.
We're not under a military regime where force precedes law.
Nigeria is a constitutional republic where even the Commander-in-Chief is bound by the same document he swore to uphold.

If the National Assembly finds that constitutional requirements were bypassed, it has both the authority and the obligation to investigate fully. Upholding the Constitution is not politics it is governance.
Regional security is important, but constitutional order is non-negotiable.

A government cannot claim to defend democracy in another country while sidestepping democratic processes at home. It

Write to your legislators in the NASS to begin the process of impeachment .

We just shut down all land borders with Niger and get both Benin, Togo, Chad and Cameron to do same.

Also turn off electricity and end any form of fuel exports to Niger.

This landlocked Niger depends wholly on Nigeria for food, electricity, fuel and all imports through our ports.

Within one month dem go beg us.

Only people who will not be happy are fuel smugglers and food dealers who see Niger as a good market due to current exchange rate.

Ofunaofu:
How exactly was the invitation communicated?

Even if Nigeria received an invitation to participate, does the constitution permit the President to unilaterally deploy air assets and military personnel to another country without National Assembly authorization? That is the core issue, not the vague explanations being offered by Bayo Onanuga

The National Assembly must thoroughly investigate whether this action, along with others, constitutes a breach of constitutional obligations. If the President is found to have violated the Constitution, the impeachment process should commence without delay.

This is not a banana republic;
this is a nation governed by law, and no one is above it

Rest.

Nigeria can not afford having rogue military dictatorship bordering us.

These regimes are hostile towards Nigeria and since the coup wave swept the Sahel, insecurity has exploded in the north as the military juntas are not in any way doing their bid to halt the flow of weapons and jihadist elements.

This wasn't the case when there were civilian democracies in Niger, Mali and Burkina Faso who assisted against the war on terror.

To have Benin next door to Lagos go the route of Niger that is now hostile to us and not cooperating in fighting Islamic Terrorists will be another disaster in the making.

Nigeria did not declare war on Benin but acted to the distress call of a neighboring allied nation that was facing an insurrection that would have seen to regime change.

You don't expect the Tinubu govt to wait for the Senate approval before doing the needful.

Ttalk:
If you followed it critically like some of us, you'll remember they bombarded SM especially Nairaland with junk excuses and even triggered the north not to allow it happen. Just the way they presently criticise the Tax Reform Act, tomorrow they will to tell us they are the one feeding Nigeria through the tax they don't want to pay

Their opposition to the tax reform was purely because it would end their welfare state and dependence on FG handouts as the Tinubu tax reform was to empower states to collect and keep half of the tax generated within their states.

I saw through their deciet and called them out on it.

You don't want to develop your own state by paying taxes and also attract investments by ensuring conducive environment for such but still want FG and other States to come and be funding your states.

Jakpon:
That you very much for this. Please order a bottle of Champagne on my behalf. I have been expecting someone to raise this point.

Sanwoolu and Wike were very vocal about this Tax Collection, they were the one that took the matter to court. I followed the news closely then. Unsuprisingly, the south east governors turned deaf and dumb when the issue was burning while the Governors SW/SS championed the case

SE needs Nigeria more than they will publicly admit.

Their governors should educate their populace on this fact and get them to start investing and paying taxes in their state.

Even Solodu once told them in Anambra that federal allocations can't solve the state's financial obligations and fund projects and begged them to see income tax as a contributory responsibility to their state development.

All those shops in Onitsha hardly pay any form of tax outside local govt levies that are collected by empowered thugs.

The whole economy is one big grey black hole.

Ttalk:
Okay you have agreed that MTN can track the contribution of VAT accrue to each state.

Please, stop taking words out of ChatGTP, it's going to get you confused

I have been warning them on that useless AI and how they should never see it as a replacement to good research .

But them no go ever learn.

Validated:
Where did I mention any region sir? Your obsession with SE is dangerous. I only mentioned commodities that are not VATABLE, but you claim to be subsidizing them. For your information I am not a SEner. However, learn to respect every tribe.

VAT is NOT a measure of PRODUCTIVITY in NIGERIA (QED)

Your entire diatribe on this your thread is to dismiss how SE being the biggest beneficiary to VAT with the lowest contribution as being not a sign of SE in any way the least productive.

And why deny being from SE when we know you as one of several IPOB posters here?

Validated:
Where does MTN generate VAT and where is it remitted? Just bold your answer. You just copy textbook definition that is NOT applicable in Nigeria. This is the problem with our education ... theory without application.

The VAT MTN generates in Maiduguri is collected in Lagos. So, how is Lagos the more productive State? The imports that are going to Onitsha is VATed in Apapa, what is Anambra stake in it? The VAT NNPC generates in Olibiru is collected in Abuja, so tell me how your TEXTBOOK definition makes sense.

SE has the lowest active phone lines .

Even if we say VAT on Telco recharge are done at the state which it was activated, your state governors no go free because SE has the lowest active phone lines and so VAT from Telco recharge will be lower than even the north.

Validated:
Since many of you cannot learn, I have to leave you guys with your ignorance. Keep WALLOWING SELF DECEIT!

Obviously you had one tab open for chatgpt when posting here.

Let me educate you that OpenAi has a disclaimer that their machine does and will make mistakes.

You have been posting contradictory arguments from the very beginning of your thread which is a clear sign of AI assisted slop posting.

VAT in Nigeria is tied with production because its at that point effective auditing can be done on the appropriate tax amount.

Finally, when Rivers and later Lagos and Delta went to court and won a landmark ruling on VAT collection being exclusive to states with States keeping 50% and remitting the rest to the centre, why did none of your governors welcome the decision? All your governors went mute . It was the northern governors that begged the major VAT generating States to be their brothers keeper.

Ttalk:
You even have time to breakdown the explanation so he can comprehend, but trust me, he will come up with another lame excuse just to justify the poor revenue generation capability of his region and overall poor performance of its economy

SE have this unwritten agreement with their governors not to tax them in return for the populace throwing a blind eye to their governors laxity, corruption and ineptitude.

Only in SE , do they see politics as business and expect their governors to reap from their investment in running for office.

As long as the money being embezzled is coming from Abuja and not their pockets, the people are OK.

This is what Solodu has been complaining about the hostility of the populace to pay their fair share in developing their own state instead of over relying on FG handouts

Validated:
Another learner ... Go and verify from all manufacturers. Input VATs are mostly higher than output VAT. Let me educate you. Your inputs include materials, overheads (utilities - generation of electricity, water, sewage, etc), which forms about 70% of total cost to make. These carry INPUT VATS. when they sell, they generate output VAT, which might be additional 30% of valu. Now, this operation is continuing and so the manufacturers has inventory for 3 months production. Hence INPUT VATs are generally higher than OUTPUT VAT. Meaning, they submit ZERO VAT RETURNS.
When you buy the goods, you pay the VAT on 100% of the VALUE.

Without production you won't have VAT.

The input VAT you refer to here is paid for acquiring raw materials, electricity and other utility and overhead expenses which include insurance, legal fees, loans etc.

In Europe with its highly regulated retail chain, output Tax is collected at POS while input is collected at point of production.

In Nigeria were regulation is lax and most retailers are operating within the grey sector, both input and output VAT are collected at point of production.

Validated:
Please, VAT is different from EXCISE DUTIES. Do not mix it up. Input VAT is determined by your purchase invoices. Output VAT is determined by your sales invoices. As a producers, you NET your output minus your input to get what you pay. Most production or manufacturers have more inputs than output, so submit ZERO returns and carry over unutilized inputs.
It is the FINAL CONSUMER that pays the VAT.

Excise duty are licence tax paid to the govt for producing certain goods.

Alcohol and Tobacco attract Excise duties and also high VAT rates.

There's also the not so recently introduced Sugar tax which companies like NBS are expected to pay.

Excise duties are not VAT .

While every production and service are expected to pay VAT not every production line pays Excise duties.

Validated:
Thank you ... Nigeria have a lot of educated illitrates. Just as in UK, in Canada HST or GST is provincial tax. Some provinces charge 8%, others as high as 15%. In Nigeria, MTN generates VAT in all states and remit in Lagos. Then one illiterate will say Lagos is feeding others.

Collecting VAT from POS has its logistical nightmares owing to retail outlets not being properly regulated , lax in LG VAT and tax drive and the fact that most retail outlets operate within the grey sector.

By collecting VAT from local production and import points (Port taxes), the FG is able to plug the loophole.

VAT generated by Delta and Rivers state from oil export alone is from locally produced oil from the state. If Rivers and Delta were to keep half of that VAT and given the high volume being exported, do you think your SE region will be receiving 270% of what was generated and contributed to the VAT base?

The current system is meant to encourage states from attracting investors so as to increase production base and provide employment.

SE has continuously been at the bottom when it comes to attracting both local and foreign direct investment.

A combination of hostility towards foreign investment , high crime rate and very aggressive and high corporate tax rates and multiple taxation has made SE a no go area for investors plus the fact that the region has a net negative migration seeing to low purchasing power.

Validated:
You are the one NOT SMART ...Who adds the VALUE, producer or consumer? You pay for the VALUE the PRODUCER ADDED, not the consumer addition. Consumers pay VAT.

Before VAT, there was Luxury Tax on certain goods and service deemed as a luxurious and optional item. Jewellery, high end fashion, etc used to attract luxury tax as high as 25-35%.

This was mostly in Europe.

Then VAT was slowly introduced as a means of taxing every commodity and service produced and sold.

If you don't produce, you can't generate VAT. Its that simple.

In most factories, Custom and FIRS officers are deployed to take note of production amounts and from there, the company is expected to pay VAT on each unit item produced which will be passed on to the end consumer.

In the case of the SE, there hardly any production and most of the population has since migrated out ,seeing to very low rate of commerce and consumption.

The only time the SE comes to life is during Christmas holidays.

Validated:
Let me ask you one SIMPLE QUESTION.
What is the VAT rate for a bag of Garri (Nigeria 's most consumed food)?
What is VAT on one Cow from Katsina?
What is VAT rate on A tuber of yam from Benue?
Your VAT collections simply means you are a NET CONSUMER.
You consume manufactured goods that are VATABLE.
You consume IMPORTED goods that are VATABLE.
You CONSUME oil and gas from Niger Delta and pay VAT.
Tell me what you produce in South West, NOTHING!

You can start by telling us what you produce in the SE.

Validated:
Read my post above ... PRODUCERS pass the INPUT VAT over to CONSUMERS. As a producer, when you but materials, you pay VAT, when you SELL your products to CONSUMERS, you NET OFF your input VAT. It is the CONSUMER that PAYS FINAL TAX (aka VAT). I know your comprehension cannot carry that. Go and ask OYEDELE.

You are confusing yourself.

First you said, VAT is a measure of consumption and not productivity, but here you are saying producers pass the tax on consumers.

Since VAT collection in Nigeria isn't directly from point of sale but rather production point wing to the nightmare logistics of tracking every sale point, VAT generation is tied more to production. Hence why States like Lagos, Ogun, and Oyo that have functioning production base generate the highest in VAT.

Even if we go by your initial argument in your first post, high consumption rate is a sign of booming economy as there is both the population and disposable income. Where a state has a higher consumption rate, that translates to higher disposable income and purchasing power - signs of a booming productive economy.

If we are to even apply VAT to farmers in the north, you will see that northern Nigeria is highly productive under a sustainable agro-based economy.

Moveittothem:
Only if your worries and complaints can yield anything.

It's just like someone saying they don't want Tinubu to be president, now he's president, what did they do about it? Nothing!

That's the case here, it Anioma becomes a SE State, there is nothing you can do about it.

You guys don't need enemies.

You are your biggest enemies.

Dogalmighty17:
That's the simple truth. The first terrorist bombing in Nigeria didn't even start in the north. The first car bomb in Nigeria wasn't done by the North but by the South. The northerners carried what the South started and made it worse.

Slave raiding was a national past time in the north prior to the British stumping it out.

The Fulani terrorists wrecking havoc kidnapping and sacking entire communities see this as their heritage.

What is different from kidnapping and slave raiding ?

Brendaniel:
You are not Igbo, your ideology is not Igbo, how I know Igbo is from the ideology, your ideology is not Igbo, your ideology points to Yoruba, not even the north, I know northern ideology if i see it, this thing I am telling you is why I know Nigeria should never have been one, its the differences in the ideology that is major problem of Nigeria, so when I see the ideology someone carries in Nigeria I know where the person is from...

So everybody must hold your bigoted views to qualify as an IBO?

MEGAWATCH:
There is a power rotation between north and south in Nigeria it wasn't a written law it's an agreement.

I don't know why most of you are too afraid to agree that you and Igbos are not meant to be one because of your dangerous hate.

Keep looking for a law in your hatred.

The Devil is a good pretender.


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We are not discussing your fake secessionist Biafra.

helinues:
The Fulani Emirates, are they Sunni or Shia?

Also do you agree on this?

In Nigeria, no religion denomination have lost members pass the Shiite group in Nigeria.

Emirates are Sunni and aligned to the Gulf Kingdom states and so have the backing of the US, UK and Israel.

helinues:
Why was there harsh clampdown on them by Elrufai?

In Nigeria, no religion denomination have lost members pass the Shiite group in Nigeria. Another fact

Because like Maitassine sect, IMN was against Fulani Emirates.V

keemsleek:
You right but it officially started in nigeria in1999 under zamfara state governor sani yerima when he adopted full sharia criminal law. if the government obasanjo had not allowed it almost all this problem won't be here today like hibab or so etc and now people are saying Sharia law should be cancelled which if it's not possible again. It's already in thier blood and they will defend it with thier blood.

That's an over simplication of the crisis hitting the north.

Who would then ban sharia law?

Do you know this will see to Muslims both radical and moderate seeing this as a threat to their religion ?

The problem in the North has to do with Ethnic chauvinism, land grabbing and illegal mining.

helinues:
Bro, with the rate of insecurity in North, you can't rule out Sunni vs Shia silent war.

Recently, some mosques was attacked in North. Are the attacked mosques Shia or Sunni? Is it possible for a Sunni to attack another Sunni's mosque? It's like Redeem branch attacking another Redeem branch when there are pentecostal churches to pounce on

I have told you here that the IMN and Shiites do not build mosques or have separate mosques for several reasons and also not to stand out as a target.

helinues:
Now you are getting my points

The situation in Syria and Iraq with ISIS is totally different in Nigeria .

The Shiites are just too small to be targeted over their beliefs.

The group came under attacks for preaching against the Fulani Emirate system.

The group reminds me of Maitasine sect which was brutally clamped down on for being anti establishment .

The Maitassine fellow was openly preaching against corruption among northern political leaders and emirs. So that's why they came are on them.

Now groups like ISWAP, BH and Fulani terrorist groups do not want to end the Fulani Emirate but expand on it beyond the NW where it has been contained since British colonial era. This is why these groups like ISWAP and BH are waging war in the NE which resisted the Fulani jihad during the El Kanemi empire.

In the NW, the Fulani bandits are dealing with the Hausa rebellion and also grabbing lands for displaced Fulanis from West Africa and CAR.

This is why the madness is escalating and it has nothing to do with difference in religious beliefs but to maintain the status quo of a Fulani hegemony in the north and beyond.

keemsleek:
Gbam. He started all this. If he had refused sharia all this nonsense won't be happening. He is also part of the problem.....

Sharia law has been embedded in Nigeria's constitution since 1979.

Prior to independence, and even up to military take over post independence, Sharia has been in place in core northern Nigeria.