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gensteejay:
There are thousands of claims in the book. Pick one and I'll tell you my view about it and also give you pieces of evidence in support of the claim.

Fine, I'll pick one and hope you answer it directly and briefly.

Otem claims to know the origin of the universe. Please do share this origin story and the source of this belief.


Remember DIRECTLY and BRIEFLY.

BlueRayDick:
This is the crux of the whole Otem matter. Prof Teejay is wowed by the Otem Literary masterpiece and can't seem to fathom how anybody can write such literary piece without being helped by an ancient god ....

I understand this feeling. When I was in secondary school,my friends too used to wonder if I do use "jazz" because I was always coming first from JSS1 to SSS3 second term....yet I don't read as much as they do. I even play football more than they do

Truly, the guy can't even see that he is now a firm believer of otem. Who the fuck_ is otem?
Anytime, he is asked to prove his outlandish assertions, he begins to quote otem . He doesn't even realize he is now otem's cultist.

People have asked the otem guy for his own sources and the guy keeps rambling. Teejay is just deceiving himself.

Gensteejay, I can conclusively deduce that you have filled your head with rubbish. Whenever proof is asked of your belief, you resort to a drivel about reading the entire book. So you mean to tell me you can't give a very brief summary of the evidence of your beliefs

You have made a lot of preposterous claims here and when one asks for evidence, you start typing meaningless epistles that doesn't still answer the question.

Now you are claiming that the earth was colonized by aliens
What proof can you offer to support this claim. Is there a renowned body that can provide support to this claim or do you just choose to keep burying your head in the sand?

You have filled your head with too much rubbish and at the same time developed a very false sense of mental superiority because of the excess rubbish in your head. Mtchew.

A very intuitive post.

Dantedasz:
The atheist minds his business and his lack of belief in religion and mythical gods. On the other hand it is the religionists like the author of this thread who can't stay away from the atheists.
They open threads attacking atheists thumping their pulpits,threatening fire and brimstone and telling atheists their god is going to burn them in an everlasting incinerator unless the atheist believes in this god. The poor atheist who is minding his own business,has his senses and sensibilities assaulted on all sides by rabid religionists who scream abuse at him from the loudspeakers placed strategically on the roof tops of their religious houses.
In the streets,in the buses, at your home the relentless attack of the religionists continues as the bombard the poor atheist with more religious pamphlets threatening fire and brimstone and punishment in hell fire.
These rabid religionists never take a break they are all over the place invading the poor atheists space,knocking on your door trying to preach to you. They are everywhere like relentless ants after sugar preaching their myths in the work place in the schools and on the internet.
All the atheist asks for is to be left alone if the religionist has decided to suspend all forms of reasoning. Don't quote your silly religious books at me is all I ask because I am quite sure that the atheist is more grounded and knowledgeable about your religious books than you will ever be! The religionists are the ones going round defining atheism for the atheist, trying to pigeon hole atheism as devil/satan worship,when in reality the atheist does not believe in imaginary beings like gods or the devil!
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gensteejay:
It's not as simple as that. Reality (life) is a lot deeper than atheism or the mainstream science paints it.

It's natural for a man to consider a higher being that designed him as God (since he can see this entity, his creator) or at least a higher power.

As I said earlier, this planet was colonized by entities (beings or aliens) people worship as gods and goddesses. There's an overwhelming body of evidence in support of that assertion.

Produce an incontrovertible body of evidence that supports this if not know that you now hold fallacies as truth.


You continue to base your basic beliefs upon the literary work of this otem guy and that is quite frankly hilarious.
I have dedicated some of my time and gone through the guys posts in nairaland and I can tell you boldly that the guy is a very good student of history, legends and myths who was able to pull corral these multifaceted branches into a single piece.
He doesn't provide evidence for his theories, instead he will link random events as proof of another.


Science doesn't deal with guesses and myths. It strives to produce the absolute facts of our universe. Theories like that of the Big Bang and string theory are just logical guess work that others try to prove right. The truth is that as of now, no single human being can claim to know as a certainty the origin of the universe.

All the religious belief systems spread across the globe that propose different creation stories were the early man's way of conceptualizing what they didn't understand, the origin of man. This is the stance of scientific historians and sociologists.

If you say you know the origin of man, provide good evidence for this and your source of knowledge.

Danhumprey:
So, one needs to go through all this mental and physical torture just so an all-knowing, omnipresent god will reveal "himself" to the person?

As how then will you know the voice that's speaking to you isn't your hallucination, voices in your head?
These jokes writes themselves.

There is a simple fact which many people are oblivious of.

"God" is a label that is man made. It's primordial label is deus in Latin which would be later translated to its English alliteration.
The idea of "God" was a human concept used by men of the early ages to try to rationalize and conceptualize the beginning and creation of the universe.

This effort by man to try to rationalize and conceptualize man's origin gave rise to varying forms of belief systems which eventually evolved into political systems( theocracies) and eventually became cultural to this day.
Every single belief system was spread to other regions through bloody conquests and imbuing fear into the hearts of its adherents.

Anyways, in no distant time, I believe that these irrational fear of the after life will give way to logic and rational reasoning.

Abbeybailey:
Few of 'em coons here are certified pyschiatric patients. That's why I neglect some of them. It's just like arguing with a mad man on the streets roaming around.

It's not easy just neglecting the rubbish he posts when you observe the fact that neutral innocent minds may buy into his bullshits.

Qstorm:
Many in our government, governments around the world actively worship Satan, Moloch/Molech, participate in Pedophilia, Spirit Cooking etc, millions of women and children are trafficked every year & nobody blinks an eye.

Qstorm:
Trump is fighting a Global Satanic Cabal party and Millions of patriots are fighting with him. He is not alone. He stands atop, but on our shoulders.

Please someone should tell me if this person is normal

If any of you nairalanders believe the trash this idiot continues to spew, know that something is fundamentally wrong with your thought processes and sense of reasoning and deduction.

This is someone who has gone too deep into believing a lot of propaganda and has now become a militant propagandist.

It's easy to simply ignore the rubbish this idiot posts, but my fear is that there are many neutral impressionable minds who read this thread constantly an who may be sucked into this idiots web of lies.

Please guys, treat all posts that come from the monikers; qstorm, dcatt, wowcatty etc as the ramblings of a schizophrenic mental patient.

PLEASE DO NOT TAKE ANY OF HIS RAMBLINGS AS FACTS.

Qstorm:
Trump is fighting a Global Satanic Cabal party and Millions of patriots are fighting with him. He is not alone. He stands atop, but on our shoulders.

Seems like we're gonna have a parteeee.
make i go wear my agbada come.

Ibime:
Some lazy FPL managers who did not bother to update their teams are chopping from Ings today.

As in ehh!.

I now find myself in the awkward position of hoping rashford and martial deliver.

This fpl has a unique way of twisting one's emotions. The conundrum no be here.

It will end in tears tonight for many here.
I trust mourinho to get the job done.

nihilistjnr:
I don't necessarily feel like I want religion gone for good

Dogma exists in any human endeavour where there are leaders and followers, and wherever dogma exists, slaves to dogma abound.

So even if all religions disappear from their earth this very second, that behaviour that you hate will still continue to exist

You are correct when you say various dogmas will always be abound in our society, however none is worse than the religious dogma we have in our society today. One that has persisted for centuries and millennia.

Other forms of dogma are always open to scrutiny and questioning unlike the religious dogmas where it's adherents are close minded and aren't allowed to even question or doubt their beliefs for a second, doing this is upon the pain of death or excommunication.

what makes this issue worse is the fact that most political dogmas are derived from religious dogmas hence you have political leaders all over the world deriving their ideologies from their religions which has usually led to divisions, wars, disunity and strife seeing as each religion believes and reinforces it's superintendence over other religions.

Many Political dogmas die natural deaths after a period of time because it is open for debate and scrutiny whereas religious dogmas persists because they are closed systems so the earlier man casts away religion from the society the better humanity will be for it.

johnstar:
religion is one of the problem

One of the major problems I tell you. The other 2 are tribalism and corruption.

nihilistjnr:
Bruh I'm tired of pastors I won't lie.

I saw Daddy G.O. post a video the other day about the rape case in Benin.

Man said he assures the culprit that he will continue to pray to God until the person us fished out.

Now here's my issue. Someone or some people raped and killed a reportedly pregnant woman in very the house of God.

Shouldnt that fact alone be enough to enrage God to strike the offenders dead on the spot? Or at least to fish them out?

What kind of God needs the pastor to continue to pray before he does the needful?

Why should he need reminders from a prophet in Nigeria to enforce the rule he himself wrote on tablets and sent to Moses.

Adeboye shocked me with that video. I watched it expecting to hear that he was promising to through the considerable resources of RCCG behind police efforts to catch the killer.

I expected him to appeal to his millions of members to keep their eyes out for the suspect whose name is allegedly already known(reportedly an RCCG pastor gangan)
Instead he told us he will be praying against rapists all over the globe.

What is it with pastors and useless shalaye sef?
See Greatihex too. He knows I'm a dad of two in a single income household during Corona crisis
Instead of him to reveal odds to me which I actually need, he wants me to fast for 21 days whilst also avoiding sleep.
Not only is he not putting food on my table, he's literally trying to take food out if my mouth

Inside life.

So much intuitive points here.
Quite unfortunate millions of Nigerians don't recognize how damaging religion is to our psyche and sociology.
One can only take solace in the fact that within the next century, religion will be gone for good from the society.

Nezzjnr:
Nothing really

Popsy was telling me some stories about the guy last night

They said Baba was always disappearing... Bakassi boys failed 13 times in their attempt to catch him until their leader intervened

It was a very popular story. I will address it later, I'm about driving out.

Nezzjnr:
Donjazet do you Eddy Nawgu

Yea. I've heard about him. Why?

nihilistjnr:
Fast for 21 days?

Wake up at midnight?

Clearly God himself isn't interested in revealing himself to me, if he's asking me to do the things he knows I can't do.

If I could fast for even one day, I probably wouldn't battling weight problems right now

Your head no correct walahi.

eph12:
He directed it to Christians. Don't be an hypocrite

What makes you think it is directed towards Christians alone? Gensteejay himself is an ex Muslim so one could also think it is directed towards Muslims or agnostics or atheists. The point is he just drops it for any viewer who might be interested.
Greatihex just posted a video link about a "pastor" preaching "redemption" and success. I watched it and I felt offended by some of the bullshit_in the video, at first I wanted to challenge him on some of the points made there but i decided against it and scrolled away. He has the right to post such nonsense and I have the right to ignore in so far as it is not personally insulting to me.

Afterall, the purpose of being on this page is to learn each others point of view on various issues. That's the uniqueness of this thread.

Hmm

BlueAngel444:
#9090 10pages to #10000

May God forgive your maths teacher.

airmark:
Ajimobi is dead, according to strong family source.

This your "strong family source" get as e be oo.

iamoyindamola:
calling people slave is his right abi, you almost cried when raumdeuter called you gay here

Very different scenario my guy.

Geegenstay does not direct his posts to any particular individual. He just drops his opinions and leave. It's left for the viewers to read it or ignore it.

Larride just picked offense at the guy when it was really unwarranted or necessary.

seankafor:
but you fool will be one of the few to gnash teeths when I post something of my opinion or view here..

You are a fvcking hypocrite seeking validation and likes from unknown fellows to massage and boost your ego..

No go concentrate on your real life..keep living and wanting to showoff your imaginary wokeness or self acclaimed intelligence..

You are a certified hard core criminal that should not have access to the internet from your jail cell.

You stupidly come online to defend and support your fellow cyber criminals, you dont stop there, you go further to justify cultists, you even more foolishly become a rape apologist.
I wonder what goes on in your brain. Better go make an honest living out of your life when you are done serving your time

Which one wey we go come believe?
Is he alive or dead

larride:
There are so many topics people discuss here but every time you are always bringing religion topic here and then turn round to start calling people slave or extremist or brainwashed bla bla bla.

Fix up your life, if there’s any void you are looking to fill up, turning yourself into slave liberator online won’t fill it. Concentrate and fix up your life.

You don't own the hand with which he makes his posts.
Nobody made you a class prefect to regulate what people post here or don't. If you don't like his posts, you simply scroll away.
He has his rights to air his opinion just as you have yours to ignore them. Stop being unnecessarily condescending.
Live and let live my guy.

BikeMan:
Lampard better not experiment anything next season. Now that we have a proper striker, fvck Abraham.

Long time my man

Ibime:
Haller is a perfect foil for Werner me thinks. His hold up play, intelligence and height will greatly complement Werner cutting in from the left wing. West Ham is a haphazard club and Hallers baby was born with breathing and other complications after he arrived there which he said made him drained and bereft of energy. I sense a good opportunity there especially as West Ham were interested in Batsman. I don't see Tammy having the hold up play to bring Werner in from the wing, and I don't want us to go into another season relying on Giroud for hold up play. I think Haller is a perfect complement for Werner as a starting 9 with Werner coming from the left wing. Werner has always struggled as a 9 so I don't think Haller will be on bench.

Are you saying we should sell Tammy? Because buying Haller will indicate that.

Haller hasn't really done anything of note that will indicate that he is ready for the big stages. We can't afford to make signings now on the basis of "hope". We've made too many errors in the transfer market recently, I would prefer we sign people who are already tested and trusted.

This Haller reminds me of demba ba. We have made too many errors in our search for strikers, from loic Remy to demba ba, to michy batshuayi to Morata etc. We need proven ones now not the ones who might have had short successful spells at small clubs.

Nice one, Chelsea's starting lineup next season.
I think we are ready to challenge for the premier league title and of course, the UCL.

Up Chelsea

https://www.nairaland.com/920248/official-chelsea-fan-thread-2019/9085#90802720

Lana1:
They frauded their way into that title of "most powerful country" when they helped facilitate the dismantling of the old USSR if not Russia will be the ones carrying that title now. America's military is mighty impressive but Russia and China still shits on them.

As for the bolded, u are absolutely right. It's easy to wage war on two fronts in Europe and the Pacific, and write urself in the history books as the heroes when ur home land remains untouched.

God forbid we have a 3rd world war and they find themselves on opposite sides with the Chinese or Russians.
The Chinese will make what the Japs did at Pearl Harbour feel like child's play.

Yea. The USSR was a world power that got dismantled both from internal sabotage and external American influence. They really did checkmate American foreign policy around the globe but ultimately bit more than they could chew.

I don't think anybody will want to live to see ww3 though. The kind of weapons man have created now is capable of wiping out cities in minutes. That's why America keeps pushing for nuclear disarmament, the only problem with this is that, they don't want to lead by example.
They want every other person to not have nuclear weapons but they keep building up theirs.

America also seems to be the biggest hypocrites. On one hand you see them campaigning for world peace and Human Rights, on the other hand, they sell deadly weapons to regimes that use them against their own people.
I mean, every single war being fought today around the globe is fought with American made weapons. Their military industrial complex is multi trillion dollar corporation that fuels war around the globe for profit and later America will still come and act as mediators. It's a very funny situation.

Ibime:
Don't discount RLC. Mount will take several seats if RLC can get his fitness and pressing up to Lamps standard

Also Werner will play from the wing I think.

Am I nüts or should Chelsea try to get Sebastian Haller from West Ham to complement him?

Haller hasn't really performed well at West Ham, furthermore, I doubt if he would want to come us knowing he is going to be a substitute.

Yea, mount and rlc obviously have the no10 role to themselves, it's jorginho that I'm worried about. He may not get enough playing time with kante fit.

thorrvik55:
Pls remove the overhyped Chillwell from there. I would rather we spend that 70M on a new goalie or CB than on an overhyped English LB..

It's obvious Leicester won't sell for less than 60M and I just don't see Chelsea spending that amount on a LB...

I agree. Leicester are overvaluing him, but we seem to be pushing for him aggressively. We do need a CB and keeper.