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Tuchel just ruin my fpl with that Alonso sub. Fuck_ you tuchel.

Hey, Ibime look, El professor is one of our best performers. Look at him having more than double the passes of the tout.

Ibime:
Doherty
Sessegnon
Tanganga
Dier
Sanchez
Winks
Emerson

These should all be Sarr level players except Kane and Hojberg
Football is not lawn tennis

Right, when it comes to Tottenham leaking goals, it's the fault of everyone except your tout, but when Chelsea slumps, it's all on jorginho. What a beautiful mentality you have.

You can only deceive your gullibles and sheeples.
See what hate does to a heart.

Ibime, where is horjtout in this match.

Imagine that conte had to play community defense to protect this weakling and he's still nowhere to be seen.

Everytime jorginho and horjtout meet head to head, El professor comes out top, how far na??

SMH. where was this play the whole December?
These players just let a 5 point lead evaporate.

Shebi I told you guys ziyech is our most direct attacker. I've always dreamed of pulisic ziyech on both wings. We would murder teams. Let tuchel sub odoi abeg.

Ziyech has been looking for that kind of goal since. So brilliant.

These are the kind of games we've been dropping careless points in.
Against man-u, Everton, wolves, Burnley.
We dominated them in the match, created loads of chances and end up drawing.

Our attackers are simply not as clinical and consistent for a title challenge.

Complete domination so far. Shame our attackers haven't been clinical enough. Jorginho and ziyech our best player so far.

Horjtout nowhere to be seen.

Ziyech has been our best player so far.

Just look at how our attackers are doing rubbish in front of goal.
These are the types of games we've been drawing these season and dropping points.

After these kind of uselessness from our attackers, someone would come and say it's El professor that is responsible for us dropping points.
Not the impotent attackers we have.

lordfalcao:
We need to put in 1 goal immediately

I'm telling you. We have to make this dominance count. I'm tired of draws.

Chelsea dominating these 1st 30 minutes.
Horjtout nowhere to be seen.

Premier league refs have a really low standard. I thought var would make things better. It's not.

It seems this formation caught conte off guard. His middle is too open.

Ziyech always has his eyes on the post. He's our most direct winger. He's supposed to have much more goals than he has.

We have started with fire, ready to consume Tottenham. Hope we make it count.

Horjtout losing the midfield battle so far again. Just like the last 7 times he has faced a certain professor.

At least tuchel is trying something new and that should be commended. Our last few managers found it difficult to try something new even when things weren't working.

I encourage tuchel to keep innovating.

TalabiAudu:
Lakaka again??

He has started missing all these half chances again. He seems too wasteful.

reccy:
Which kain formation be this one lawd ??

I think Tuchel is just sticking to what worked few weeks ago.

I hope mount shows his better self today.

He has gone missing in several games he's played in. He needs to assert himself more.

timbros:
Let me make one thing clear. Tuchel doesn't park the bus since he came to Chelsea, with or without Jorginho.

Man City is the only team to have dominated us in Tuchel's one year in charge so far.

We have NEVER parked the bus even against all the Madrids, Spurs, Man Utds, Atleticos we met. I don't know where this park the bus talk come from.

All the loss and draws we have had, oppositions actually park the bus against us. Man City is the ONLY team to dominate us.

Leave Ibime with his agendas. It's only gullible folks that would buy into his agenda.

This Liverpool match is pulsating. End to end stuff. Every match I wonder what makes Liverpool defense soo easy to carve open.

donjazet:
Ibime, what are that tangible metrics you expect from your ideal DM?
And who is your ideal DM? Who do you think is the best DM in the game and why?
Popiziano you too.

You guys that love to criticize El professor, who is your ideal DM and what tangible quality do you seek from your DM.

We know jorginho excels in his passing records and defensive records are now being called "bus parking" records. So what are these tangible qualities you want to see in a DM?
Cc simpledawg, ninjameta etc?

My question still being dodged till now.

Ibime:
This has been my only point ever since. All this talks back and forth boils down to one single point. We can't play attacking football consistently with Jogginghoe. We have plenty evidence of failing to do so for four years and only evidence of Jogginghoe success we have was parking bus in tournament football

If we have never seen jorginho play in an attacking system. This would be believable, but jorginho was the centerpiece if an ultra-attacking system in Napoli. Setting personal records while doing so. So this talk is a product of the bullshite factory.

reccy:
I'm beginning to see reason to what ibime is saying. Way before, I was part of those who thought that he was just hating or being unecessary bias, but after relating his point here to what I watch, omoh, I see correlations and these are very detrimental to any serious title contending team having Liverpool and man city to contend with.

Truly, ibime is not hating, He Is just bringing fact to why we keep failing to win league giving the investment we've made. If you want to see an attacking chelsea and an highline chelsea playing, there is needs for us to have a standard DM who is quick, transitive and fit enough to take risk while neutralising any form of threats from opposition.

This, no doubt, has an effect on our attackers and strikers being poor all season which inevitably has a resultant effect on overall Chelsea performance.

I called one of my guy to the arguments here especially the ibime and co, and also havertz and mount's. He Is yet to come in term with the jorginho's ineptitude which is causing us a lot. To him, jorginho is the best register and is the best thing after the fruit of garden.

I enjoy it when people are able to see beyond stats and call out any player for their negligence.

I'm sorry you've allowed yourself be brainwashed.

Ibime and popiziano are skillfully dodging my question.
Who do they see as the best DM in the game and what metrics should be used to judge the ideal DM?

Jorginho has an extraordinary excellent passing record. They brush it aside. Jorginho has excelled in defensive metrics, they say it's "bus parking" metrics, so what should we use in judging this player? Which current DM should we use in comparing to jorginho?

Ibime:
Why does it matter acknowledging if he has a good game when the good games are not consistent, and not in a set-up I believe will challenge for the league, and the consistency drops dramatically when the set-up I believe is vital to challenge for the league is deployed.

Voila! You've just confirmed what we've been saying. Your mind is already hardened towards jorginho irrespective of what he does. You have willfully blinded your mind to jorginho's good attributes.
So you don't believe in evolution and adaptation of players? You think the Henderson of Brendon Rodgers is the same Henderson of kloop??

You don't actually acknowledge your intellectual limitation when you choose to believe things can never change. Funny you're mocking swiz for his alternating views when it's you that should be derided for being extremely obstinate. For never thinking he can be wrong.
Even in the face of the world showing you that you're wrong, bestowing this player with the highest accolades, with the player himself setting various new records, even in the face of all elite coaches recommending the player, you choose to be immovable in your opinion of him.

You're not far off a jihadist who obstinately buries deep Into his ideologies.
Jorginho has become much better than he ever was. If you can't accept this, it's on you. He has proven his doubters wrong. Your irrational hate can only grow worse with time.

Ibime:
I won't keep repeating myself. If you have been on this thread and don't know that my requirement for a DM is one that allows his team to station high up the pitch and also comfortable receiving and giving the ball (under any circumstances, not just when the press is light like Jogginghoe), I can't repeat myself.

Below is what a knowledgeable member of this thread said about Jogginghoes impact on our play and what happens when any manager tries to go toe to toe with Jogginghoe in midfield. So there is no obsession on my part, only the truth
Reason I said TT is over performing because this low block is the maximum you can get out of the players at our disposal

This is all semantics, aimless scapegoating and emotional ranting from a fan after a match.
I do acknowledge when jorginho has a bad game. Now do YOU acknowledge when he has a good game?? Has there been any game you said, jorginho was wonderful today. What an exceptional performance, hopes he keeps it up.

You still did not answer my earliest question?
What are the tangible metrics to know your ideal DM? And who is currently your best and ideal DM in the game?

Ibime:
You keep telling yourself what you want to hear.

Pochettino said we do. Raumdeuter said he expected TT to win the league playing defensive footballer then fall apart the next season when Roman demand attacking football. That's someone with no skin in the game and no agenda describing the football he saw from TT.

Lampard would play attacking football for a run of games, we would come across an opposition and get hammered with teams targeting Jogginghoe, and Lampard would drop the block lower. Everytime we tried to be consistent with an attacking set-up, we ran into teams that targetted Jogginghoe and whitewashed us. Even his father Sarri had to park double decker bus in Carling Cup final, a week after getting pummeled 6-0 by Man City and losing scandalously to Bournemouth and Arsenal when they targetted Jogginghoe. Those goals Abraham scored under Lampard were those run of games we played attacking, after each midfield failure that precipitated a change to a low block, the goals dried up.

Isn't it beautiful that when we fail, somehow it's all on jorginho and when we succeed, it's because of the efforts of others?

Ibime can you explain what happened when we finished 5th and didn't qualify for champions league?

Even before jorginho came we have been scoring less than others, this includes our league winning seasons. Chelsea has never outscored any team in the last seven years. How can you not see that we have had inefficient attackers?

Ibime, what are that tangible metrics you expect from your ideal DM?
And who is your ideal DM? Who do you think is the best DM in the game and why?
Popiziano you too.

You guys that love to criticize El professor, who is your ideal DM and what tangible quality do you seek from your DM.

We know jorginho excels in his passing records and defensive records are now being called "bus parking" records. So what are these tangible qualities you want to see in a DM?
Cc simpledawg, ninjameta etc?

popizaino:
We must keep all this players because football isn't fantasy league.

I don't understand. Are you being sarcastic?

Ibime:
Your major problem is you play a low block to protect an incompetent DM and never have enough forward players in the attacking phase.

TT has been with us for a year now and we are yet to see any reasonable attacking play from erstwhile productive attackers. Lukaku is a record scorer everywhere he went from club to International scene. Pulisic, Ziyech were are all erstwhile productive and the rest are also being dampened.

Who ever told you we play a "low block to protect an incompetent DM".
You just keep manufacturing these things in your head. Apart from mancity who you yourself acknowledged are a strong unit, who else do we play a low block against?

Did we play a low block against Liverpool at home? Did Chelsea play a low block against Tottenham recently?
What of arsenal, man-u, ATM, Madrid. Did we?

The Madrid with BBC that won UCL multiple times, were known as a pure counterattack team, was it a low block? If so, was it not a good system?

So Everytime we set-up as a counter attack team, does it mean we are doing it solely to "protect" the DM??
Who told you this? You just run on the first idea that comes to your head and carry it as the gospel truth.

What if setting up as a counter attack team is to better utilize the best abilities of our pacy forwards? A tactic which worked numerously against mancity?