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barcanista:
I am laughing at datolee. He is unfortunately marketing an unsellable product

Definitely!

datolee:
This is the reason why our airports are like death-trap because we are so cheapskate. That amount is just a change when you consider that second Gatwick 3.4km runway will cost between £5 and £9 billion.

A change?! Just a 4km runway and you're calling it a change?! Bros . . .

barcanista:
I will try to get who Presided over FEC that day.

It was definitely GEJ cos Yaradua was on sick bed in Saudi Arabia then!

datolee:
If by pardoning Almans who had served his jail term makes GEJ corrupt then, Bill Clinton who pardoned Roger Clinton who was convicted of cocaine possession must be aiding drug use.

I will have a problem if Alams didn't serve his jail term

Serving his jail term doesn't make him a lesser thieve. I don't even expect any sane fellow to hobnob with Alams after the great humiliation done to him, let alone granting him a state pardon. Why exactly was he pardoned? To become politically relevant again so as to continue stealing? If not for that GEJ and James Ibori were not in good terms, he would have been roaming the streets of Nigeria freely now.

barcanista:
Can I see a link?

Sure. www..com/talk/topic,62778.0.html

I would also like the Pro-GEJites to answer this because Nigerians need an explanation:

“Who presided over the FEC meeting on October 2009, where a 4 km runway at Abuja Airport was awarded for N64bn?”

Late President Yar’adua was already in Saudi Hospital as at the time, so I wouldn't expect you guys to tell us he was the one!

Mogidi:
Please present facts to show Buhari didn't allow 53 suitcases belonging to the Emir of Gwandu to pass through our airports. And while you're at it, remind bacarnista to respond to the speech made by Buhari that the Abachas were not corrupt, thanks.

Sir, when you guys were trying to use this suitcases' saga for campaign during the last election, it didn't yield a positive result and would never yield come 2015. Atiku was in PDP then in 2011 when Buhari was accused of hijacking some suitcases, Buhari asked the Jonathanians to direct their questions on the suitcases to Atiku, who was then the Area Comptroller of Custom in charge of the Murtala Muhammed Airport, but Atiku who was in the best position to speak on that, only blamed that on the rudeness and cruelty of the Soldiers, but couldn't say if Buhari truly personalized it or not.

Responding to enquiries from newsmen on the issue during a campaign stop in Dutse, shortly before a courtesy call on Governor Sule Lamido, Buhari said that Atiku was in the best position to speak on the issue because he was in-charge of the Airport Customs.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/03/53-suitcases-saga-buhari-blasts-atiku-jonathan/

The major thing Atiku should have been using to campaign against Buhari now, is the suitcases saga, if he truly ran some stuff with them. But Atiku, being the guy who's in the best position to explain it to us, not campaigning with it shows that Buhari knows nothing about the 53 suitcases!

Mogidi:
Obasanjo is now the chief anti-corruption crusader and no longer Buhari, we successfully challenged those promoting the notion that Buhari was not corrupt. We reminded them of Buhari's 53 suitcases and Buhari saying Abacha was not corrupt.


P:S
Buhari lobby group in disarray over Tambuwal's declaration.

Bros, you're not to be taken seriously. You once accused Oshiomole of not doing anything in Edo State, but you were later proved wrong with a detailed list of his projects by mynaija123, but you turned a blind eye. Now, you're here accusing Buhari of a certain 53 suitcases. How are we sure you ain't gonna desert this thread if you are presented with a logistical fact?! Bloody hypocrite!

He's sure gonna win by a landslide come next year.

BTW, the PDP don't even know what to use to campaign against him again, so they should continue with their religious' sentiment. By the time it's dawn on them, they would know what's up!

How much did the Presidency pay Newsdayreporters to give us this malicious report?!

barcanista:
What will happen?
Did the country burn when IBB was forced out?
Did the country burn when the 2005 third term amendment was killed in the NASS?
Did the country burn when Yaradua die and Power was given to Jonathan?
The Country won't burn should the court disqualify Jonathan.

Forget the noise of Jonathanians my guy. Empty drums beat the loudest

Waiting till December 1st sha. If he's declared ineligible, he would have no choice than to respect the court!

barcanista:
loln there i§ nothing like "half" term. A term is 4 years. Yaradua/gEJ's term ends 2011, GEJ/Sambo Term will end 2015. Another term will commence from 2015-2019.whoever wins 2015 will rule for 4years except impeachment, resignation or death sets in. Even at that, the successor will rule till 2019. Gentleman agreement or "special" arrangement is alien to the law. The case is in Court, the judge wil decide, though I am very optimistic that Jonathan won't escape this.

Lol... Hope you know the country you're in?! Anyways sha, let's see what the court says come December 1st. They all will know their fate that day!

A7:
@Bold, the plaintiffs have not yet make a say about that, and will never do because it will be inexplicably erratic, yes for the pdp to raise the issue I agree, but the moment anyone in the apc take his argument in that dimension the party will end up being an object of ridicule, it's like throwing the baby along with the bath water, just reminding us the most viable Apc candidate made similar statement in 2011.

No, Bros, APC would never take the issue to the court of law. They just know within themselves that he promised not to return to office come 2015.

Although I was young, what I heard and grow up to know was Atiku contested the election and won. But what I want us to keep in mind is, the focus of this discussion was about the actions of those lawmakers challenging the eligibility of govt officials that take oath of office twice and planning to seek another term, which according to them violates the nation's law.

Thatks where the issue lies. Though I was also very young during Boni Haruna/Atiku's saga, but I've read and heard so much about that. Nyako also took Oath of Office 3 times whether legally or illegally. I'm neither a Lawyer nor an expert on Constitutional Law, so I'd expect them to interpret that to us.

The court that stop Boni Haruna does so because his third bid is not in compliance with the law.

Exactly, that's why I've been saying his case is different. He governed Adamawa State for the stipulated period of 4yrs in each term before he later contested and won the 2003 election. If he had contested the 2007 election won, he'd have ruled that state for 12yrs, which is unconstitutional.

Voila! There lies the problem, Boni, Gej, and Geidam were both sworn in twice, Boni's fate was already decided, a legal hurdle awaits Gej, little or nothing was known about Geidam's case. Will the Apc drop its case against gej to make way for Geidam or they will proceed to set an example showing unlike the Pdp the party do not abet/tolerate sacred cows. ??

This' the first time I'm hearing of Geidam's hurdle and I don't seem to know anything concerning that. I don't even know if APC is in support of his Re-election or not!

barcanista:
The Constitution sees both the Governor and the Dep as a Teag Team. They are not distinct from each other. The purpose of Vice is to ensure that such vancancy doesn't exist or is minimised. It is not to "dash" anyone free office. Yaradua contested and won the 2007 along with Jonathan. he didn't win it alone. This was the Court Ruling in 1999 to INEC where it said Haruna won the ticket with Atiku.



No Sir, Nyako was first sworn in May 29, 2007. The Tenure will end May 29, 2015 (Ngilari will end it, and it counts for him i.e Ngillari) which is according to the SC 2012 ruling. Nyako was not the only one affected, Idris(Kogi), Wamako(Sokoto), Sylva(Bayelsa) and Imoke(cross river) were all affected. They will vacate office May 29, 2015.

In fact, Oduaguan election was nullified in 2010, a re-run held in 2011 which he won. His First tenure still ended 2011.

@bold, let's see how the court rules. Going by the bold, GEJ may be allowed to contest come 2015 on the condition of leaving the office on the 5th of May 2015 [that's if he wins, God forbid] which would mark his exact 8yrs in office!

barcanista:
It is like you are not getting the point.

Boni Haruna went to court in 2007 to argue that he did not stand for Governorship in 1998, only 2003. The Court Dismissed it on the Ground that he can't hold Office beyond 8 years.

One thing you need to know is that Atiku was never sworn in as the Governor of Adamawa State. Boni Haruna was the one sworn in. If they're listing the Ex-Governors of Adamawa State, Atiku's name can never be included. However, that of late Yaradua and Mamman Bello Alli would be listed among the former President and Governor of Nigeria and Adamawa State respectively.

The Constitution is very clear, You can't spend more than a day in an executive Office beyond the maximum 8. The Minimum can be 1 second or 2 minutes. In fact ladoja only spent 3 years and 1 month in Office.

Nyako would have spent more than 8yrs in Office [whether legally or illegally] if he wasn't impeached. That's why I'm of the opinion that most of the Judges
rule some cases based on their discretion, they necessarily not follow the Constitution.

barcanista:
Bros, I get your point but I still insist that this is very clear. The Constitution provide for a maximum of 4 years per term and 8 years for anybody starting from the day that you took oath of that office. You can't go beyond that. Jonathan took his oath of office in May 2010 as substantive President. He took another in May 2011. He can't go beyond 2015 as doing so will mean he will be spending a whopping 9 years as a substantive President which is alien to the law and the constitution. The Learned Judges of the Supreme Court acted according to the law.

In fact, nobody can be deemed elected as Governor without having a runningmate. The runningmate is part of the requirement for one to be elected Governor

Bros, if you take a look at Nyako's case, you'd discover that Nyako took Oath of Office as the Governor of Adamawa 3 times. Ie, 2007, 2008 and 2012, whether legally or illegally. Thus, making him to have ruled Adamawa more than the stipulated time, if he had completed his 2nd term. I still maintain that most of the Judges now rule based on their discretion, not necessarily what's in the constitution.

GEJ and Geidam were neither elected as President and Governor respectively, nor did they campaign. Nigerian' Constitution still remains confusing though.

barcanista:
Bros, This matter is very clear. I don't see any discrepancy.

1. Jonathan and Yar Adua were elected on Joint Platform, same as Atiku with Haruna.

2. Atiku was elevated to VP, Haruna took over. Yar Adua died, Jonathan took over.

3. No person is elegible to hold an executive office for more than 8 Years from the day of swearing in. Your maximum is 4 per term and 8 per two terms, however, You can be in office less than the said duration- Supreme Court Ruling on Ladoja(2007), Boni Haruna (2007) and the G5 Govs (2012).

4. The Constitution Provide for contigency should the Principal die in Office. Which came into effect for Jonathan and Gaidam.

5. Both are not "Helping" their departed bosses, they were part of the Joint ticket.

6. By contesting in 2015, Jonathan and Gaidam are likely to hold office for 9 years and 10 years and 5 months respectively. Which amounts to illegal tenure elongation.

7. I see Court disqualifying both of them.

8. It is not about partisanship, or APC/PDP. It is about legality and the constitution.

8. The Law is greater than all

Bros, like I've earlier said, the Nigerian Constitution on Electoral Matters needs to be modified or reviewed because it seems to be somehow. Depending on the Judges that hear these cases in Nigeria, they base their judgement on their own discretion. In other words, they no longer follow the constitution because it's confusing. Anyways, the Court of Appeal would be hearing Jonathan's Eligibility case next month, let's watch how it goes.

2015 sha!

Obinoscopy:
At least you agree that APC members collectively challenged his eligibility. I'm sure the lawmakers from Yobe will be part of them. Now I wonder what would be the Yobe lawmaker stance on Giedam's eligibility.

I agree with you on the above.

But the question is this: did Geidam and Jonathan got sworn in twice? If yes, then the Supreme Court over Boni Haruna's 2007 eligibility based on being sworn in twice is the crux of matter.

Bros, Nyako once took an Oath of Office in 2007 as the Executive Governor of Adamawa state, but the Election was later nullified by a court in February 2007 and ordered for a rerun. He still massively won the rerun and resumed office on the 29th of April 2008, that means he was sworn in again as the Governor [making it twice]. He later contested the 2012 Adamawa Governorship Election and still won [meaning that he was sworn in 3 times or he took Oath of Office 3 times]. What I'm trying to say is that: “If Nyako could take Oath of Office 3 times, then Geidam is also eligible to do that.” Boni Haruna's case is different from that of the others.

Like I earlier said, Nigerian Constitution on Electoral Matters needs to be reviewed because it's somehow confusing. Maybe other senior men can expatiate on that!

@ Obinoscopy, you can as well move this to the FP to get other people's opinion!

Uzamere, I don't seem to understand you o. What do you actually mean with that phrase?! I thought PDP said they'd win all seats in Edo.

Obinoscopy:
Yes some PDP members challenged GEJ's eligibility. Even non-partisan citizens challenged his eligibility. But if we are being truthful to ourselves, we should also admit that prominent APC members challenged GEJ's eligibility too. In the link provided below, the APC House of Rep members challenged Jonathan's eligibility.
http://www.informationng.com/2014/10/2015-apc-reps-set-to-challenge-jonathan-eligibility-in-court.html

APC as a party has never challenged Jonathan's eligibility to contest the 2015 Elections. When we say APC, we mean APC standing as a plaintiff in the court of law, not APC Reps!

You got it all wrong. Atiku won the gubernatorial election. He campaigned and won. He was given the certificate of return. But he wasn't sworn in because Obasanjo picked him as his running mate (then governorship election took place before the presidential election). Because Atiku wasn't sworn in, INEC didn't recognise Boni Haruna as the governor-elect and Boni Haruna had to get a supreme court judgement before he could be sworn in as governor. The Supreme Court ruled that Boni Haruna should be sworn in since he and Atiku won the election on a JOINT TICKET.

Bros, we're almost saying the same thing sir. I'm only trying to say that Yaradua had been sworn in as the President and Geidam Predecessor was also sworn in as the Governor before their death. Unlike Boni Haruna who took the oath of office as Governor. Atiku was never sworn in as the Governor then. Take a look at this.

Boni Haruna (Civilian)

Initially, Boni Haruna, a Christian was elected as deputy governor. He was to deputise for the Governor-elect, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar. However, Atiku was later nominated as the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) vice presidential candidate and along with Obasanjo won the race for Aso Rock. Consequently, Haruna was elevated and sworn-in as governor. He was to be re-elected in 2003 and his tenure elapsed in 2007.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/02/adamawas-past-men-of-power/

To be sincere, Nigeria' Constitution on Electoral Matters is somehow confusing and needs to be reviewed.

Boni Haruna was denied eligibility by the supreme court to contest for 2007 elections based on the fact that he was sworn in twice. Don't you think such should be done for Jonathan and Geidam?

No, such should not be done to either GEJ or Geidam because their Predecessors first took oath of office before their death, whereas, Atiku was neither sworn in nor took any oath of office. Atiku can never be considered as one of the former Govs of Adamawa State, but Yaradua and Geidam's Predecessor, Mamman Bello Ali, can be considered as a former President and a Former Governor respectively!

Shall we say it is total ignorance? , that he is not aware his party stakeholders consider his ambition a clear violation of party's terms and nation's law and bitterly oppose what Gej and him were hankering for so long?

If most of you are truthful to yourselves, you'd discover that the main people against Jonathan's re-election are PDP members, not APC. If at all APC is against GEJ, it'd be on the stance of truthfulness, that is, promising Nigerians that one term was enough for him. I've said it before and will say it again that GEJ should be allowed to contest so as for him to be humiliated at the polls.

His case is different from Boni Haruna because according to what I read or was told, he was the running mate to Atiku during the 1999 elections. Immediately Atiku was made the running mate to Obasanjo in 1999, Boni Haruna automatically became the PDP Guber. Flagbearer in Adamawa state, that is, election had not been conducted then or Atiku had not taken his oath of office as the Governor [I'm also sure he campaigned for himself, unlike GEJ and Geidam]. So he governed them for the mandatory 4yrs and later won his reelection bid in 2003.

As for Goodluck and Geidam, they took over from their Bosses after their death. Though, they've all taken oaths of office twice. So, I don't think he has either violated any party's term or breached any of their rules. He's free to seek a re-election!

PDP, defrauding people of their personal belongings since 1999. Prof. Duke-Abiola and Balewa's son, paid cash into PDP's account, but they were denied the nomination form, why?!

Meanwhile, if the admin would need the source to move it to the homepage, they should click www.vanguardngr.com/2014/11/abiolas-wife-drags-pdp-court-seeks-jonathan-disqualification/

OrlandoOwoh:
Lies! Why is it hard for PDP to mind their business?

Bros, I no just understand o. They're always advising APC on who they should field as their Presidential Candidate. They can't just mind their business. It's just like Lai Mohammed telling PDP to field Balewa's son as their Candidate!

“Common stealing” is not corruption - GEJ!

I'm very certain that most of us would change our perspective if we're opportuned to facially see him. He's a living testimoy. A very handsome young old man. Smiling always. Looks innocent. Even the corrupt ones are regretting their past action due to Buhari's charisma.

Buhari, your Presidency is sure come 2015!

Mogidi:
I'd rather listen to Atiku than listen to gworro chewing Buhari blabbing his way through a one hour meaningless speech.

Buhari needs elocution lessons fast, he can't inspire an audience, you need a bit of charisma for that.

Bros, you're entitled to your opinion sir!

Buhari and Atiku walking majestically back to their seats after addressing the crowd!

Seun, Obinoscopy, Mukina2, Semid4lyfe, Mynd44, pls do the needful. FP!

When Buhari was invited to the podium to speak, he addressed us for some minutes and said he has made an agreement with Atiku, that whenever they're asked to speak, Atiku would be the one addressing the crowd. Can this be said of PDP Presidential Aspirants [if they've got any though]?!