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Matrix07:
Hello guys, anything yet concerning commonwealth shared scholarship

You should continously check your eas portal. Or you can join the Commonwealth shared scholarship 2017 applicants forum on the student room

First Timothy 2:8–15 is the paragraph in the New Testament that provides the injunctions (2:11–12) most often cited as conclusive by those who oppose preaching, teaching, and leadership ministries for women in the church. It is inappropriate, however, to isolate verses 11–12 from the immediate context of 1 Timothy 2:8–15. If any of the paragraph is perceived as culturally bound (as 2:8–10 often is) or as especially difficult in terms of Pauline theology (as 2:15 often is), it must be realized that these same issues must be confronted in understanding 2:11–14. It should also be observed that 1 Timothy 2:11–12 is a general prohibition on teaching and authority exercised by women. It is not directed to only a certain level of persons (such as “ordained” in distinction from “non- ordained” or “pastors” as distinct from “missionaries”). Further, it is not limited to only certain styles of teaching (“preaching” as distinct from “sharing,” seminary teaching, or writing theological books). In other words, if 1 Timothy 2:11–12 were a transcultural, absolute prohibition on women teaching and exercising authority in the church, then it prohibits all such activity. The word in verses 11 and 12 often translated as “in quietness” (11) and “silent” (12) is identical in Greek. The same term is used by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 3:12, which the NIV translates as “settle down.” The point is that this term, which is often assumed to mean only “verbal silence,” is better understood as an indication of proper order or acceptance of normal practice. The term translated “to have authority” ( authentein) occurs only here in the New Testament and was rarely used in the Greek language. It is not the usual word for positive, active authority. Rather, it is a negative term, which refers to the usurpation and abuse of authority. Thus, the prohibition (2:11–12) is against some abusive activity, but not against the appropriate exercise of teaching and authority in the church. The clue to the abuse implied is found within the heretical activity outlined in 1–2 Timothy. The heretics evidently had a deviant approach to sexuality (1 Timothy 4:3; 5:11–15) and a particular focus on deluding women, who were generally uneducated (2 Timothy 3:6–7). The injunctions are supported with selective Genesis arguments (1 Timothy 2:13–14), using Genesis 2 rather than Genesis 1 (2:13) and the fact of Eve’s deception (2:14, see the use of this in 2 Corinthians 11:3 for male heretics). The function of the Genesis argument is parallel to its use in 1 Corinthians 11:7–9 where it is employed to argue that women must have their heads covered in prayer and prophecy. In both cases scriptural argument is employed to buttress a localized, limited instruction. The concluding word of hope for women (1 Timothy 2:15) is an affirmation of the role of bearing and nurturing children, a role considered as the only appropriate one by many in the culture who believed women incapable of other roles as well. This conclusion (2:15) is parallel in thrust to 1 Timothy 5:3–16 and Titus 2:3–5, both of which are concerned with specific cultural expectations.

Make una dey turn Christianity upside down. Christianity in Africa is practiced without common sense and critical thinking. That's why pastors get away with many atrocities.

It should be recalled that Paul has already indicated in this letter—1 Corinthians—that women did participate in prayer and prophecy with the authority in the church (1 Corinthians 11:5, 10; 14:3–5). This fact alone shows that 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 cannot be a general, absolute, and timeless prohibition on women speaking in church. It was common at one time to “dismiss” the evidence of 1 Corinthians 11:5, 10 (and a few would still argue this position). It was suggested that 1 Corinthians 11:2–16 did not refer to a meeting of the church but only to a private non-church gathering. The whole context of 1 Corinthians 11:2–14:40, the argument of 1 Corinthians 11:16, and the parallel between 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 11:17 make such an idea most untenable. Some have even suggested that 1 Corinthians 11:5 was only hypothetical, but such an approach is clearly an argument of desperation. The silence enjoined in 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 must be a specific, limited silence. Numerous suggestions have been offered, but only the major alternatives can be reviewed here (some scholars, with slight evidence, have also suggested either that 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 was not written by Paul but was inserted by a copyist or that it is a question from Paul’s opponents in Corinth which Paul denounces in 1 Corinthians 14:36). One view is that the speaking prohibited here is mere babbling. There is, however, nothing specific in the context to support this meaning of “speak,” and such nonsense would certainly have been prohibited to all persons in the worship Paul described. Another view suggests that the speaking prohibited is speaking in tongues (glossolalia ) since that is frequently mentioned in the preceding context (1 Corinthians 14). However, glossolalia is always referred to as “tongues” or “speaking in tongues” and never simply as speaking. Probably the most popular view today among those who oppose women speaking with authority in the church is to identify the speaking prohibited with the judgment of the prophets mentioned in 1 Corinthians 14:29. Thus, it is argued that women may prophesy (1 Corinthians 11:5) but may not judge or evaluate prophecy. The evaluation of prophecy is seen as the truly authoritative level of speech in the church from which women are to be excluded. This view has two major difficulties. First, the word “speak” in 1 Corinthians 14:34 has no implication within the word itself or in its immediate context (14:34–35) to support identifying it with the concept of prophetic evaluation. Second, the idea of two levels of speech in the church—prophecy and the judgment of prophecy— with the understanding that one is higher than the other and is for men only has no clear or implied support elsewhere in Paul. In fact, Paul’s own definition and defense of prophecy (1 Corinthians 14:1–25) implies directly that prophecy itself is authoritative speech of the highest level in the church. The view that seems best to me is to understand the speaking prohibited here to women to refer only to disruptive questions that wives (usually uneducated in the culture of Paul’s time) were asking their husbands. This corresponds precisely with the resolution Paul offers (1 Corinthians 14:35): “if they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home. . . .” Such disruptive questioning was also considered a disgrace in Paul’s day in which it was widely believed that it was morally indiscreet for any wife to say anything on any subject in public. This view of disruptive questioning also fits well the specific context (1 Corinthians 14:26–40) in which Paul is concerned about appropriateness and order, which permit genuine edification (note that 1 Corinthians 14:26 expects everyone to participate). Thus, there are actually three injunctions to silence (1 Corinthians 14:28, 30, 34), although many Bible translations use “silent” only in 1 Corinthians 14:34.

Naughtysite:
1 Corinthians 14 : 34-35
But Jesus used him to write 14 books of the bible.

Lol

In 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 , Paul wrote: “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church” (vv. 33-35). If we take this literally, it would mean that women are not allowed to sing in church nor respond when the pastor asks for comments or questions from the audience. Moreover, it would contradict what Paul said in chapter 11, where he said that women could pray and prophesy in church if they had the appropriate attire. Common sense, church custom, and good principles of biblical interpretation all say that we should not take these verses literally—and almost no one does. Paul is not making a blanket prohibition that says that women can never speak in church. Rather, he was addressing his comments to a certain situation, and his comments are limited in some way.

Naughtysite:
There are 5 callings in the bible.

Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Teachers and Pastors.

Paul commanded that women should never serve as Pastors in the first place. A woman should not teach men in the house of God. She should ask her husband questions at home during pastors meetings.

Make i quote ?

Is Paul the founder of Christianity or Jesus?

Quote let's hear you.

I swear Nigerians are mentally chained! Religious slavery men! Did Jesus specifically ban women from performing religious tasks? In the culture of that day, women were subdued. After all, Isreal is part of the Arab world, that's why you still have some of these shared cultures in the Arabian countries.

The corinthians verse you people are quoting was in response to a single church in Corinth. Obviously before then, you had women who acted in official capacities in the church. Women who prophesied and saw visions, etc

That instruction was a temporary remedy for the problem in the church as at that time. It was not a general prescription.


Paul was giving an opinion in his letter to Timothy. I'm sure if Paul was a contemporary today, his views some of these things may alter slightly.


But since Nigerian culture segregates woman to the background, the lesser being , etc, I'm not surprised that there are people fighting tooth and nail to maintain this chauvinistic view. They'll be those kind of men who insist that the woman's only job is to cook and bear children.

May God open your eyes and brain . That's why Africa will never develop. Landlocked religious mumbo jumbo.

I wish everyone who's slated for an interview Goodluck.
We shall all meet in the UK. Amum.

Hello friends,
Due to some s******* reasons, I would be retiring/deactivating my moniker and I will be using a new moniker by tomorrow. It was fun being part of this forum using this moniker.

My new moniker would be reDazey.

Good night friends.

Lol


Dragon Reborn

OGreene:
We need to tag @justwise.

Lol @justwise you're tagged. There's a belligerent human being here.

theSpark:
Long time no see bro.

I'll put the Css in mind too, I saw it earlier but I wasn't totally ready especially as my experience never reach. How far with your applications?

I'm hoping to start my MSc next year. Won't leave out any options.

Commonwealth shared scholarship doesn't require any form of work experience. Just good essays. Although work or volunteer experience might be an advantage when applying.

pennstate:
I m not going to take side but sometimes the way some of you accuse someone without proof is uncalled for. You all can read backward and see how its all started.

That's somehow true, but the way she's handled the backlash has truly exposed her character as nothing but a cry baby.

She came and posted about how boring her school was in Louisiana state, then she delved into her escapades in Europe (wetin consign us inside?).

When someone tried to remind her about the true nature of the thread she started acting up. This behavior must send up red flags.

Na naija we dey, and we know how fraudulent our people can be. So it was not out of place to flag her as a scam.

Her responses aren't even helping matters sef.

With all due respect madam chioma, you're derailing this thread. Please show some maturity and back down. Thank you.


Otherwise I'll personally report you to the moderators. I don't know why you haven't been banned yet.

There's no child on this thread. It's not a thread for jambites or something. This thread has a specific purpose; a platform for past, present and prospective takers of the gre test to rub minds and ideas. As well as other associated admission procedures.

Please put that in mind.

theSpark:
Just saw this thread, looks like something worth giving a shot. If you guys are still interested we could give it a go together and see how it goes.

You could have applied for the Commonwealth shared scholarship as well.

ponpon:
One person has knowledge about Germany, did masters and undergrad in UK, doing PhD in US.. It's great but please people be careful

Some hard core sarcasm at work here!

OluDare01:
Lol
Naso dem dey do o
[/b]Unlike here where my advisor would come call me 'hey, can we go grab lunch together?'.[b]

I think its the way we are conditioned to act in naija. If you are compassionate and understanding and free, you will be regarded as soft, etc.

What will even stop him from apologising to me for fucking up? (for where?)

Sebi one of the reasons why baba was voted in was because he was perceived as a hard boiled general who didn't listen.

The country has a long way to go.

@bolded:
That would be considered an insult here

OluDare01:
I had a similar experience.
I was interviewed by a potential supervisor at Michigan tech for my PhD in Chemistry. Everything was set, just 3 letters of recommendation and one must come from my undergrad supervisor; she had already done the online evaluation but they needed a letter. The two other lecturers already wrote their letters without informing me but my supervisor started giving me excuses. She told me to write the letter and email her so that she would just put it on the letter head paper. After a month, mama no gree do am o. She said no letterhead, no light, internet and all sorts of excuses. So, I rapidly completed my other 2 MSc applications and got admitted. Mama still no gree do the recommendation till today, lol. It even got to a time she told me to stop calling her again. Here I am, it is exactly a year this thing happened, lol. I was so sad mama fall hand gan.
Most Nigerian lecturers think they are god,lol. Although we have few good ones, atleast I still chat with some of them on whatsapp.

It's the God complex syndrome. I'm an applicant for the Commonwealth shared scholarship scheme. I notified my hod early enough, since September last year precisely. Despite the fact that I personally gave him a prepared reference format, he couldn't provide. He couldn't even give me the paper I gave him. He later promised that he'll send it via email. He later stopped picking my calls, probably because he felt that I was disturbing him. I am still waiting for his reply till this day.

Neduzze5:
Missed you all sha.

Who else is furthering like me?? As in Masters Degree or PG stuff in Nigeria or outside as the case may be??

Try the Commonwealth shared scholarship

Vicrown:
With 4.8 GPA, 7.0 in IELTS, 304 in GRE, 3 unconditional offers from UK universities, I am storming Commonwealth Shared Scholarship with my 'ballistic missiles'. THIS YEAR WILL NOT PASS ME BY WITHOUT A SCHOLARSHIP BY GOD'S GRACE!

Don't forget your essays! The only thing more important than it is your class of degree. Proof of English is a moot point.

Your references are also very important. Please take note.

Eh yah. See as thread come dry. I'm actually missing the funny arguments and banter here.

bb10:
Hello guys...i was also rejected by Edinburgh. Has any1 been successful so far?

When did u recieve d msg

mosesmayen:
Ug

Ok.

mosesmayen:
Guys WhatsApp with Edinburgh? I hear results are out and yet I don't see anything on my mail box... Plus check yours and inform me.

Ug or pg?

s3nn2x:
I checked a few minutes ago and saw the mail

Ok.

s3nn2x:
Same here

When did you receive the email message?

mosesmayen:
Use all those names to find me bro... Not only Mangong

You liked one of my Facebook posts a few days ago. We're already friends.

mosesmayen:
"Moses Mayen D Mangong" is my fb name, inbox me n I will drop it to your inbox.

So you're the mangong guy on FB.

Unto CSSS we go.

hegelian:
I think so

How do you think so? Lol.
It's a definite yes or no jor.

Una don start again with this whatsapp thingy.

What the heck is wrong with naira land eh?

There are some replies that I give here that I will never be able to give on whatsapp.

What's the need for a whatsapp group now?

Why deprive others of valuable information?

What type of ideas will be discussed there that have not been exhausted here?

Anyway it's a free world.

Prudento:
Warwick insists on application fees @Commonwealth Shared scholarships, hmm. They think Nigeria get money

Did you fill out the Warwick application waiver form?

Because I did, and it was waived.

Lol.

Make una calm down small. You see what am said? Assuming this was a whatsapp group,pandemonium would have broken out.

The thing is, we shall all get emails.

Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.