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MYGFGSGH:
How about OduduWaste or OduaPigs. Myopic yoruba tribalists, to them justice is just for them and their interest alone. Others do not exist.

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IAmOged:
lolz....2012

Does it make a difference?

IAmOged:
when did trump say that?

when did electoral colleges votes not tallying popular votes becomes rigging?

and who told you clinton has more popularity than Trump? forget CNNpol, ipos phony figure and all dis nonsense media outlets oo
watch Fox and you will think Trump has more Popular vote than Clinton.....watch CNN and you think otherwise..

Trump never hid his disdain and condemnation of the electoral college system.

On several occasions,, he actually condemned it. The irony is, he has benefited from the screwed system.

modath:
If na you nko, nor be you side you go allocate the bigger share, we only complain about undue advantage when it doesn't go our way but when it does... We love it.

One thing :Trump is a showman for real, he knows just what to say & how to say it and hit his mark... He is good.. The hillbillies ate everything up like sharwama..
Build a wall indeed!!

Of course! Trump proved his mettle despite all odds.

But to be candid, the system is screwed. It cost Al Gore as well.

The fearful part of it is, if not checked, it could snowball one day as election becomes far more competitive.

IAmOged:
and who told you clinton has more popular support than Trump? forget CNNpol, reuterspols,online ipos....they are all phony figures and all dis nonsense media outlets shenanigans oo
watch Fox and you will think Trump has more Popular vote than Clinton.....watch CNN and you think otherwise..



i dont see anything wrong in the system..

According to fox news Clinton polled 59,938,290 to Trump's 59,704,886 - a difference of 233,404 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/presidential-election-headquarters

ShameOwoda:
You are a useless beast of burden, fit only to be fed to crocrodiles.

Worthless bastard of a thousand demonic fathers.

I thought you have big mouth.

Why not take me on instead of crying like a baby to the MODs.

Bastarrd ape.

Lalasticlala Seun Mynd44 OAM4J, rule 2 is being broken with reckless abandon here.

IAmOged:
Oga dropshot nothing is wrong with popular votes not representing electoral college


2012, obama had more popular votes of 64 to his rival mc cain 58 den and won more electoral votes to be elected

approximately 80 million people parcitipated in all dis ipos online and early voting

the popular of thing was just too much exagirated by all dis yeye democratic celebrity thing...

America electorate are more informed than all the "ijo eleya" dance and stunts the corrupt political elites are pulling


when the world was busy carried away by media shenanigans plotted by the democrats.....the majority middle class whites and some blacks america;who were disappointed in obama of being ineffectual, and not following the america dreams, voted massively for Trump

to say something is wrong with it is going against majority of people who voted Trump in.

Like I said, this is not to analyze how and why Trump won or Hillary lost. It's about the system which makes it possible for a candidate to be president despite not enjoying the popular support.

Do you think it is right?

modath:
The irony is that Trump threw a tantrum about this cos he thought it wasn't going to go his way... He has now benefited from the "rigged" system he tried to discredit...

Well, he's correct the system is "rigged" wrt the electoral college system.

And of course he won't mind benefiting from the "rigged" system na. Who will?

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ShameOwoda:
Why all these analysis and frustration just because Donald Trump is now President-elect of the USA?

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Lack of proper upbringing?

bodejohn:
In my opinion, both systems have it's flaws.

Let's use the Nigerian system for example, I can win or rig 95% of votes from the states that i am more popular, this we saw in Kano, Kaduna, Rivers, Akwa-Ibom etc. The figures cannot be preempted by the candidates. There was the case in Oyo state where votes from 4 local governments from Ogbomoso swallowed the the difference between the leading candidates in 11 local governments of Ibadan.

The system in US is purely scientific, you can calculate your way to victory. Just target the states with huge electoral college votes just as Trump did and win the election. It is a level playing field for all candidates.

Let's base our discussion on what ought to be - free, fair and credible election devoid of rigging.

In that case, Nigeria's system will result in the person with most votes and better spread becoming the president.

On the other hand, America's system doesn't guarantee that no matter how we spin it.

Such scenario can always result in protests as it's being currently witnessed in at least 26 cities in USA.

adekennis:
Democracy is just too full of drama my brother.

I tell you. And to imagine that America wants to impose it on every country of the world is baffling.

This piece is an exercise to compare and discuss America’s election system with a few other popular democracies in the world and establish that America’s system, though the oldest and most popular, does not always represent the wish of the popular votes/voters. It has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump in the last election. Just a topic for discussion for politically informed forum members who can engage in civil discussion in a public forum.

The Electoral College Votes
To become the president of USA, a candidate needs to garner 270 electoral college votes.

With the Electoral College system, a less popular candidate can become America’s president over a more popular candidate. It happened with Al Gore in 2000 when he won more popular votes than George Bush then but lost the election. Based on the figures released so far, Hillary Clinton is ahead of Trump by 219,762 votes (Clinton currently has 59,755,284 votes while Trump has 59,535,522).
Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote/index.html

How It Works
Simply put, the more people in a state, the more electoral college votes it has. For example, Texas has a population of 25 million and is allocated 38 Electoral College votes, while Delaware has a population of 1,000,000 and has only three votes.

Let us use Texas, Delaware and four other states like Delaware as example and assume that all people there vote (for simplicity purpose).
If Candidate A wins Texas by 5000 votes (receiving 12,505,000 votes), he gets the 38 Electoral College votes while Candidate B with 12,495,000 votes gets NOTHING! And if Candidate B wins five states like Delaware by about 50,000 in each of them (scoring 550,000 in each), he gets just 15 electoral College votes (3 electoral college votes x 5 states) though Candidate A gets no electoral votes as well.

But if we add their total votes together, we’ll realize that Candidate A scores 14,755,000 votes in total (i.e. 12,505,000 + 450,000x5) and Candidate B scores 15,245,000 votes (i.e. 12,495,000 + 550,000x5). While Candidate B has clearly scored more popular votes, it is Candidate A that has won the election with 38 Electoral College Votes to Candidate B’s 15 even though he has received 490,000 votes less than Candidate B!

In fact, Donald Trump himself condemned the system in a tweet in 2012 when he said "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy," following Mitt Romney's loss in 2012.
Clearly, the president of the USA does not necessarily represent the choice of the majority in a general election as we have seen on five occasions in the past! Three instances in 19th Century and two in 21st Century. Can anyone beat that?

UK Parliamentary System
In the UK, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is the Head of Government of the United Kingdom.the Prime Minister is not directly elected. Instead, the public vote for a single Member of Parliament, a representative from their constituency. There are 650 MPs in total. If one political party has a majority in the Commons, then the leader of that party will be appointed Prime Minister. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_the_United_Kingdom
As we can see, the Prime Minister represents the opinion and wish of majority of the population of UK.

India
India is the world’s largest democracy. In the Indian system, fashioned after the British Westminster system, the prime minister is the head of Government and is appointed by the Lok Sabha, rather than elected directly by voters as is common in presidential systems. The party holding a majority in the Lok Sabha elects its leader prime minister.

Should no party possess a simple majority, different parties will form coalitions until they acquire the requisite number of seats to elect a prime minister successfully. An important feature of India’s prime ministerial election process is that all candidates have to be either a member of the Lok Sabha or Rajya Sabha, meaning that they contest elections for a particular seat from within a particular locality.
For example, the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi recently stated that he will contest his parliamentary seat from Varanasi. The president of India is the head of state and is elected by the 545 members of the Lok Sabha, 238 members of the Rajya Sabha and India’s various state assemblies. http://thediplomat.com/2014/03/how-indias-national-elections-work/
Again, the president is a direct product of the majority’s wish.

Russia
The President is elected in a two-round system every six years, with a two-consecutive term limitation. Prior to 2012, the term of office was four years. If no candidate wins by an absolute majority in the first round, a second election round is held between two candidates with the most votes. Read more here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Russia
Clearly again, the president is eventually elected by popular votes.

Nigeria
In Nigeria, not only that a presidential candidate needs to win the popular votes, he also needs to win 25% of the total votes in two-third of the 36 states of the federation.
Surely, the president so elected will reflect the popular view of the people (at least on paper, not factoring rigging. Lol!).

Conclusion
Despite its success and the honor of being the oldest democracy in the world, America’s election system has a huge flaw that tarnishes the flaunted status of being the world’s best democracy. A system that does not guarantee that the candidate with the most votes in a election gets the chance to lead his/her people cannot be said to be the best.


Thoughts?

mailmitch:
Another bail granted I hope this so called agencies of the executive will adhere to the court rulling and not go and wait fr him agn in court and pick him up for another alleged offense all in the name of humilliating him and the opposition party members. Well time will tell.

What better way to frustrate yam eaters than arresting and charging them separately for each offence?

Parade has changed ground mister. Gone are the days when your 10 separate money laundering offences are put together and charged as one.

Now, we go treat the f-up individually and separately so you learn one or two lessons before you're even convicted and sentenced.

franciskaine:
not all Igbos biko. Some of us are politically de-tribalised and abreast of the massive corruption of the ineffectual buffoon. I rep Anambra and I support the Buhari's govt.

I actually said IPOiDiots. I have many good Igbo friends who are not IPOiDiots.

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falxx:
Some of you are damn too prematured and elementary to be a member of this forum. I advise you run back quickly to your parents kitchen and wash the plates, clean the chairs etc. because your post shows that your level of reasoning only matches that of a kitchen boy.
Just mentioned any apc members that has been arrested by efcc from the Hausa/Fulanis. Ffk/ Obanikoro are all pdp members. Saraki was arrested because he supported Deputy Senate president, meaning Saraki is being looked at as a pdp member, while GEJ family's case is very glaring case. From history and records, all those from south south and the Ipob are all enemies of Buhari. So what nonsense are you talking. Tell Buhari to probe Amaechi, Fashola, and other great thieves in apc, then we can say Buhari is actually fighting corruption

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Senseless post.

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Caleycash:
You can Grin to death, born coward!!

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Caleycash:
Still Coward reaction!!!

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ndubueze92:
your stupidity is stunning..... I rather assume your name is "dropdead"

Lalasticlala Seun OAM4J Mynd44

Aufbauh:
In the mind of the confused Ipobians Donald Chukwualabama Trump will dispose Justice Okon Abang upon his assumption.

I swear, I've never seen a group of people so emotionally unstable.

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ephi123:
Cry baby. Be a man. For once

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ephi123:
If someone else had put that picture up for you, you won't waste time crying and calling mods. Smh. Na you people go tire, you've all only just started.

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Caleycash:
Coward reaction

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Let's see our IPOiDiots brothers and sisters react to this.

Oldlayez:
Nd ala.
All of sudden, after the potus election in" Amelica", Efcc and Buhari look like clowns. Very inconsequential animals.

As expected.

You cry foul for Dasuki. The Hausas and Fulanis didn't even bother about the thief.
You wailed for Obanikoro and FFK - Yorubas don't care if those thieves are forever locked up.
You protested and gnashed your teeth for Saraki. The Ilorites even stoned him at a point for stealing their common wealth.
You cried for Patience Jonathan. I am sure most Ijaws wish she's made to account for her deeds.

Dem take am swear for una?

Well, you can cry us a river. Use the bucket here if you like.

SamuelAnyawu:
Yeaaa Under a very very Confused President.

Have it!

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evilapc:
Did he also thoroughly investigated amechi and Co before making them ministers? Evil people just want to put another quota system judge as the CJN

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Work on yourself first. OK?

SamuelAnyawu:
They All Have Nothing to Offer aside Kachikwu who is Working so hard under a Confused President

Yeah. He's an Igbo man too.

ekanDamie:
Also include, stock exchange market, banks closure (societal bank) all this too happened in d past they are legal n dey crashed too. wateva will b will be que Sara sara

MMM and those I mentioned are not legal.

Boleyndynasty2:
If he can be considered to serve as Acting CJN,then the president should go ahead and forward his name to the Senate.

No. Thorough investigation into his accounts, wealth, life style and others must be done first.

We don't want an ultra corrupt judge as our CJN.