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gsegun43:
Attack your argument? Na

I'm I to attack my own argument? Or you just want say something to cover your embarrassment? Let me just let it go

gsegun43:
You dey mind that guy? I don't think he is normal

If I was not normal, he would have picked it. It is you who being hate full of Truth, who hates me because I am not afraid of saying the most painful Truth.

So, this is you unreasonably and unfairly interpreting a novel opinion by committing the fallacy of ad hominem because you know you cannot successfully attack my arguments.

Unlike me, I even know you are a God hater, but I did not attack you but only addressed your post.

gsegun43:
Honestly, I don’t enjoy replying to you because you often go off point. This discussion is not about death, and the Ghana prophet incident has nothing to do with death either. If anything, it should be a source of embarrassment for Christians.

You do not like responding to me because you know that in the end you would find out that you are wrong, for you used the Ghana rubbish to put religions relevance on the stand.

And my response is simply that religion will always be in play because of the high point of religion is when death is in focus.

Yes, religion will be low on science and some other topics but it will certainly pick up once death is raised. That is all I am saying.

And unfortunately, every topic in the world cannot do without involving death hence why I say religion can never ever become irrelevant as the question your header asked

SpencerForbes:
Gen z dads……..
A pervert or paedophile will still sleep with his daughter even if she baths with her mom daily. And a man with sound mind won’t. He will automatically stop when he sees she’s approaching puberty. Your advice is only for the dads but the mothers can bathe both kids right? Double standards.

Gen zees have not yet started giving birth. This sheet has been going on since lots daughters rode him. What is going on is that daughters sleep with their fathers and it is a normal thing. Even wife's and mothers are aware of it (after all they too didi the same) and they expect it. And it is so done that it is normal. That is why you hear so hush hush and blockings in families when you ask questions like why does papa like Beatrice too much,; then they would tell you one crap of "it was the day she was born that he got the promotion he was looking for". It's a lie and a cover up.

Which is why most girls do not tell you who disvirgined them and why fathers do not talk even when they see their daughter doing asha things

All this is only coming out because God is exposing them in support of the girls who did not and will not submit to them.

oz4real83:
is it only you the grand children that sleep in your grandparents' house {which is normal} or including your dad? The beginning of "see finish' is when your keeps sleeping in his inlaw's house, very soon, he will start washing plates or sweeping round the house for them. Keep supporting rubbish. I support op, as much as possible, men should avoid sleeping in inlaws' place, they shouldn't put themselves in situations where they will have no other alternative.

Uncle your in law is your family so there is nothing wrong in washing and cleaning your in laws place. That is what it means to be family. After all when you go to your uncle's house you do so there and your uncle still disrespects you and see finish

gohf:
is all this to contradict what I wrote and probably prove your point that Jesus dying was the specific reason he came?

Yes, it is. Clarity is Truth

Akinpedia:
​I hear you, and it's true that 'bad eggs' exist in every field. But there is a massive difference between a dubious mechanic and a Pastor, and that difference is Accountability.

​The Professional Path: If a Doctor intentionally messes up a surgery to make more money, there is a Medical Council (MDCN) that can strip him of his license. There are lab results you can take to another hospital for a second opinion. You can sue a professional.

​The Pastor Path: If a Pastor tells you to stop taking your HIV meds and you get worse, who do you report him to? If the 'miracle' fails, they tell you it's because 'your faith was small' or 'you didn't sow enough seed.' They are untouchable.

​A mechanic might rip you off for ₦50k, but a 'Man of God' can make you throw away your life, your family's peace, and your health based on a 'vision' that has no proof. We can't compare a regulated profession to an unregulated 'calling.'"

A mechanic robs out of your money but a man somewhere cannot make you throw away your life, if you did not already want to.

Janosky:
Jesus celebrated marriage.
Many times,he spoke positively about marriage.
Did Jesus speak or encourage annual birthday celebration?
No.
Are you wiser than Jesus?
No,therefore stick to Jesus/Paul example,1 Cor 11:1.

The real question you don't want to face;
Did the Commandments approve birthday celebration?

Your Bible did not say disObey/honour your mother & your father.

Did that mean your Bible approve of disobedience to parents?

Fallacy of circular reasoning and red herring. Thus, you are talking rubbish and have no valid counter to give

Janosky:
Oga,I have 2 question for you?
Which of the believer whom Jesus converted & was eye witness of Jesus death &resurrection that celebrated Christ birthday?

Oga, are you copying Jesus/ Paul /early believers@ 1 Corinthians 11:1 or you're copying Emperor Constantine?
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Now you are proven the accusations True by your forgery and editing of my post

Akinpedia:
Haba, Oga! With all due respect, this is exactly the kind of 'spiritual illiteracy' I was talking about.

The 'Virgin' Claim: Are you saying that every woman who has ever given birth to a child with a congenital heart defect, Sickle Cell (SS), or Down Syndrome was 'promiscuous'? This is a heavy insult to millions of virtuous, hardworking Nigerian mothers who are battling medical challenges they didn't ask for.

Genetics vs. Spirituality: Sickle Cell isn't caused by 'sin'; it’s caused by AS meeting AS, or AC meeting SC, or AS meeting SC, or AC meeting AS. If we keep telling mothers that an unhealthy child is a 'mark of wrongdoing,' we are pushing them into the hands of fake prophets who will extort them while the child’s condition worsens.

The 'Exception' Argument: It’s not an exception. Over 150,000 babies are born with Sickle Cell in Nigeria every year. Is that an exception or a national health crisis that requires Doctors, not just 'deliverance'?

This mindset is why we are where we are. We would rather blame a mother’s 'conduct' than admit our healthcare and genetic education have failed.

You are overstretching my points and of which you do directly say that virgins birth children with birth defects rather you are trying to defend the promiscuous woman who did by using the multitude who did not, which is still my point. As I clearly implied that the mother of the child knows why she is not going to the hospital but rather to churches and babalawo houses which is what you are complaining about.

And I said is it the child who is running up and down looking for pastors? No.
So the person you are looking for is the mother

Akinpedia:
So if a 2-year-old child is born with a heart defect or catches malaria, is that also 'sinful conduct'? If a dedicated, 'holy' nurse gets infected while treating a patient, is that her 'behavior' catching up with her?

When we blame 'sin' for every medical condition, we give people an excuse to ignore hygiene, safety, and science. And regarding the 'progress as a nation' part—they are absolutely compatible. A nation is only as strong as its people. When our most productive citizens are dying from preventable diseases because they are 'fasting' away a medical emergency, the economy suffers. Health is wealth, and a healthy nation is a progressing nation.

Now you are trying to use an exception to argue a general fact.

Even at that is it the 2yr old who will run up and down looking for pastors?
No.
It is the mama who does it of which we are all wondering why. And that is where you see she knows something we don't know especially as it is a serious mark of wrongdoing for a mother to birth an unhealthy child. And go and check you would never see a virgin birth an unhealthy child.

MightySparrow:
Is Allah, Yahweh?
If not why do they share common characteristics?

Allah is not the same as The God of the Bible.
Allah loves his people murdering people and is aggressive even those who did nothing to them whereas God only defends and counter attacks for the weak.

Allah promised his followers sex and virgins, God's promise is a new upgraded world

All these just prove that those who are going to hel know they are

See how you started talking about people's personal health problem only to bend it into 'progressing as a nation".

The 2 are incompatible.

As to why they listen to pastors over professionals, it is because they know that their ailments is as a result of their sin full conduct and behaviour

DSS1335:
What do you have to say of Pastor Williams Kumuyi of deeper life ministries who withdrew from Christmas celebration in December 2013 calling it pagans celebration?

He explained that he felt it was pagan since it appeared to have coincided with a pagan festival or something.

That is a reasonable and understandable ground. But I don't think the reason supplied by JW is reasonable.

[quote author=DSS1335 post=137906718£]. Don't you think if the celebration was necessary he would have commanded his followers to keep celebrating it in his honor just same way he did his death?[/quote]Did The Commandments prohibit joy and celebration? No. So why would He Speak on it?

MightySparrow:
I have learned so much on this platform about Islam and their belief in the hereafter. It is clear that Christian's paradise/ heaven is different from Muslim's by qualification, type and living in them.

Hells however has one similarity - burning.

It is certain that all Muslims are going to Christian' s hell and all Christians are going to Muslim's hell for various offences.

Who is going to whose hell?

Clearly, Muslims are the ones going to Christian hell as it is clear that Christ is God.

paltielx:
If they don't celebrate Christmas I can't say they're wrong by not celebrating it, Jesus Christ did not command Christians to celebrate his birthday, there's no record in the Bible that the first century Christians celebrated his birthday and there's no evidence Jesus was born that day.
Actually Christmas has pagans origin

1) Christianity does not have pagan origins.
https://www.nairaland.com/8326278/christianity-does-not-pagan-roots#133866110

2) There is no record of in the bible that the first Christians peed and pood, played and joked, so do you say it did not happen?

Jws have so perverted the bible both in word and in doctrine that no reasonable person would ever call them Christians. And this is in addition to their strange and weird behaviour and appearance which gives everybody a creepy feeling

Bwilliam:
Na your papa dey keep register for heaven, abi?

Yes ooo. I dey sometimes dey see when He don comot person name from the book of Life.

SarcasticWords:
Is that a bad thing? What did he give us brains for? Decoration?

If you could solve all your problems you won't participate in social relations and conversations like Dr Robotnik. Which means you would be alone and depressed.

So yes, it's a bad thing.

SarcasticWords:
Actually the wish of every parent is that their child grows up to become independent and not need their help or protection. Can you say the same thing for your God?

First, this guy and many others prove that you are lucky and blessed if your parents do not hinder your growth
https://www.nairaland.com/8587241/parents-one-hindering-progress-life

Secondly, If God had not made your parents free and independent, you won't have grown.

So, you see, God has already done it.

SarcasticWords:
That is why netanyahu is happy murdering children and quoting scriptures to back his agenda. Because God telling the jews to kill children is an answer that is still relevant today

Please be reasonable. Netanyahu's quoting of scriptures is not connected to my response on "whether faith-based answers are still sufficient or useful in a world".

Bahamas95:
Heaven gatekeeper weh done sir

Ê domo!

SarcasticWords:
Wow, so many divisions, disorder and confusion in Christianity.

This one says A , the other says B.

Maybe all of you are wrong. After all your bible did say God is not an author of confusion.

Is this world a perfect world where there are no liars? Or is there any society or group in which confusion and argument is none existent?

You know what things are wrongs and that is why you are not able to find fault with what I have said. So, it's clear that you do not have any reasonable thing to say on this issue.

SarcasticWords:
But you cant please your owner. Remember he is perfect, and your bible told you that your works are irrelevant and useless in his sight so save your energy.

The main point of your christianity is to accept jesus as your lord and saviour or else you will burn in hell for eternity.

Oh no! That is not True. Abel pleased Him, Seth pleased Him, Enoch pleased Him, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob aka Isreal etc and the list of people who pleased Him grew.

And no, the bold is not fully correct. The main point of Christianity is to please God and escape His Anger.

Any one who is saying "just believe" is Lying and a liar. That is what I am dealing with in this thread as I point out to them fake believers and fake Christians in this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/8586778/saved-obeying-god-laws-believing/2#137901860

'He does not believe that does not live according to his belief.'Sigmund Freud

And Christ never did any wrong thing, his followers were never accused of doing any wrong thing, therefore anyone who says he is a Christian must be one who never does a wrong thing.

That is what Christianity is about.

And as you can see because people love to do the wrong, bad and wicked thing, (even those who claim that they are Christians, yet they fornicate and adulterate and lie upanda) is why they very much hate God and Christianity with a murder full hatred. See how the op responded to me. That tells you

jubrilELsudan:
LIKE SEY E GO MAKE DEM GO HEAVEN

99% of dem na heli dem dey go

success1smyn:
..if a prayer is answered, god did it; if it is not answered, it is god’s will. That circular reasoning is part of what the original post is addressing — belief systems that explain everything, yet cannot be tested or challenged.
Questions about god, morality, evil, and life after death are important, but the issue being raised is whether faith-based answers are still sufficient or useful in a world where evidence-based explanations increasingly shape how we understand reality.

The Truth is, if men could solve all their problems they would not pray.

And our parents have given us a semblance of how God is which is the Law eg you don't get everything you want. You get whatever the parent chooses to give or not give you, if you could get whatever you want for yourself you won't even need your parents.

So are God based answers still relevant? The answer is always "Yes". But definitely it is understandable that God haters would not want that answer and will definitely take any other answer.

That is what is going on.

bolabizzle:
Christianity’s purpose was never to explain thunder or disease or whatever bla bla bla you wrote up there.

It was to answer who God is, who humans are, what good is, why evil exists, and most importantly whether hope beyond death is real.

To put it better, Christianity reminds us that we are owned and the property of God. And that like every thing that is owned, if we fail to please our Owner, there will be bad consequences.

advanceDNA:
If you want to enter the office of the HOD of chemical engineering back in my college.....you will boldy see ... "an engineer designed a pacemaker that helps the human' heart function better, an engineer also designed a gas chamber that kill millions of people...don't abuse engineering"

Virtually everything can be abused, where knowledge is limited or misinterpreted, including science....

Man has always been the flaw in the equation of life either because of limited understanding, uncontrolled lust, or his corrupted reasoning..

Buy hey!! U can always move on shaa....

"His Corrupted reason" what a political way of saying his evil mind".

gsegun43:
Read carefully and if you have any meaningful contribution please post, but if not stay one side.

You raised this thread because of the Ghana man doing Noah, which means you are talking about life and death. And this is where my statement comes in and why religion will always be relevant.

So, I see, you are annoyed that I have reminded you of death and the fear of God and this is why religion will always be important because it would always come to remind you of your fear and dread of God

When it comes to death that is when everyone remembers that they are afraid of God. So religion will always be in play and will always be relevant

Steep:
That is because they were justified by their faith. The bible did not record all of their lives only shows that aspects that demonstrate their faith and some of their errors.
Noah for example although he was a man of faith but he got drunk and cursed one of his sons.

David had flaws, he committed adultery and also a murder, Sarah lied when she was asked if she laughed she denied, Moses got angry and couldn't fulfill the instruction of God exactly as God commanded, all these shows that no Saint were without errors, only Jesus christ is sinless.

Romans said all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

And did Jesus not teach and feed the things that are righteousness?

Did He Say fornication and adultery is right? Or did He Say doing wikedness is right?

Or did you not hear Him Say "go and sin no more?"

When He said "go and sin no more" has he not already given you the righteousness?

And the 'go and sin no more" does that say that it is up to you to the sinning no more?

"All have sinned" is definitely because all our sinning and are loving it as we all see around us every day, so, that is clear

vdestro:
Or is it December that we all used to remember for being the month of Christ's birth something good and pure now being called dirty (detty) and now openly calling on people to do all things dirty?

Oh yes. I wanted to say see how satan has changed our clean and holy sweet December into a dirty, corrupt and sin filled Sodom Gomorrah, Dirtcember.