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Jumbojax:
Imagine, dem beat you for not simping.
Na why I no dey vex for simps, most times they are molested, brainwashed or even beating into submission and just like Neo in the matrix they think its normal life until they take the redpill 💊

That is why it was easy for me to see that true true, Eve slept with Satan and they gave birth to girls but Adam did not know (first paternity fraud). And that is why women are soooooo veery Wike.d

btoks:
The idea that the bible alone gives the christianity its authority is a much later teaching by protestant reformers in the 16th century , 1500 years after. It has no foundation in early christianity and thus novel.

The Bible as we know it was not even in existence so how can it be in play?

Not to talk of the fact that like Stephen's speech shows they all had the facts and testimonies and witnesses.

Meanwhile, it is known that as those first witnesses die off, later generations would need to know the Truth of all that transpired and what was Said, hence the value of writing and record keeping and the compilation thereof. Hence the bible was made.

Of which from Moses's writings to the prophets writings, all were separate documents but the bible is a reasonable compilation of them all and it is the authority of what is called Christianity.

So, whether every letter was complied or remove from it, does not change the authority of the bible.

Of which, those letters or book not added to the bible stand on the good reason that they have issues with them or that they are fakes.

But, the bible as presently constituted reasonably satisfies our needs as Christians,

Thus every other book that did not make it in there is irrelevant and cannot be an authority over any Christian church.

And the bible isn't new testament alone but the combination of the old and the new, of which Paul's letters, the bulk of which forms the new testament, is a Law Opinion (what you understand as legal opinion but because legal is a fake concept is why I said Law opinion).. so Paul gives a necessary Law opinion and view of The Laws and Statutes and Judgements God gave Moses. So it's addition to the bible was a very good thing as no writer gave a very comprehensive Law overview of the The laws and Judgments God gave Moses.

So, even if the Bible stopped in John or in Malachi, it would still be the bible and it would still be the authority of Christians whether Constantine or Gumi legalized it or not.

And of course when you say church authority, you cannot say Catholic church, for Catholic church was not in existence nor was it created by the Jewish christians even though the church founded by Christ through the disciples (Jews) was in existence and already spreading beyond Isreal.

So, if that church spoke that is were value comes from of which from the circumcision case, we saw that that church is it listening and discerning church.

But your Catholic church has no value and authority in these matters just like the one established in somebody's parlour today. You can say your say, exactly how church Suleiman can say his say, but the bible would be the Ruler and standard. And if your say does not comply with it, it will be shot down and rejected.

Jumbojax:
Ahhh you be Kratos na, who jezebel be for your side
My guy fire down, more grease to your elbow, no ever get that joy wey dem be wan put for your body, na weakness.
Same people wey shout for equality na dem still manipulate inequality from society.
No send till the end, na man you be

Na so God take make me my brother I don't like injustice and unfairness at all especially from that gender.

But, dem beat me tire

Jumbojax:
Fine or not, the majority of men(maybe not you) are soft to women by default.
Wether anyone tells her or not, she fantasizes about it cause a demon puts that in her mind.
In the natural order, a woman's satisfaction should not be as important as modern society makes it 💯

True. But I thought it unfair and so I never gave girls space. And that was why I noticed how it all came to be cos I fought all those adults tire. Though they beat me silly but simple, I will always beat up the over favoured girl. And all this injustice just made me hate girls, women and those Stu...I'd men who pandered to them. I hate all of them till tomorrow

So it was pleasant to see how the girls refused favours in my presence and I was very much happy the way they avoided me.

jaephoenix:
China has more atheists than Nigeria and thus they don't pray as much as Nigerians. I thought if one doesn't pray,bad stuff happens to the person? Isn't it what you christians tell us?
Oya talk another one

But when the bad stuff remembers them, they make the world amazed

Jumbojax:
There comes a time in every woman's life(usually very young between ages 10-15) when she starts noticing the soft spot men have towards her. This is the time period when a Jezebellic demon sells an idea or fantasy to her that "men exist solely for her satisfaction."
If she buys into this idea and believes it, that's it for her, her spiritual and character development is truncated, she is possessed with a Jezebellic demon, no matter her height in the flesh, her educational success, her financial success, her maternal success, even if she's a born again Christian, she can never advance spiritually, she can never be a Proverbs 31 woman(good woman). Except she submits to a spiritually strong man that satisfies her or not, she can not even start to excorcise that demon and mindset...

Not True. It is actually if she is born beautiful that her parents, neighbours, teachers tell her so, from birth

But if she's not fine, then she learns it from the beautiful ones even before she is 10

Theawakensoul:
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1️⃣ Most of the truths we use every single day are things we have NEVER seen.

Tell me, brother:
Have you ever seen gravity with your physical eyes?
Yet you describe it, explain it, teach it, and live by it.

Have you ever seen the wind?
No, you only see its effects.

Have you ever seen electricity itself?
No, only the manifestations.

Have you ever seen your own mind?
Only the thoughts it produces.

Have you ever seen God?
Yet you describe Him confidently.
to the physical eye.

All the examples you gave were properly and reasonably proven with no reasonable doubt remaining.

But this your assertion is begging for proof.

And only proof you are giving is begging for more proof.

For, form and formlessness and property and infinite always refer to things you can see.

And yet you admit that you never saw any of this things, so how can you be said to have spoken the Truth when in fact you have not seen the things you claim, which have to be seen before you can testify of the Truth of them.

btoks:
I've explained in my last post to other poster the rationale and proof of church authority in allowing images, hope this is helpful.

The main issue with these debates is one of authority. You say sola scriptura, we say the church is what was set up and received authority as recorded in the same scriptures we debate about. This same church has made rulings on several doctrines christians take for granted (including deciding the canon of the same bible as mentioned many times!)

The bible is what gives Christians authority, not any church

Especially as Catholic church was not even in existence when the disciples held churches in their areas and then that church spread from place to place even before Constantine subscribed to it

So Christians and Christian churches get their authority from the Bible. Thus, no church can have authority over the Bible and cannot amend, repeal or add to anything contained in the Bible.

This is not new. Everyone knows that Rome made Christianity popular

Theawakensoul:
@Dtruthspeaker,
Not everything real is visible.
You don’t see gravity, consciousness, emotions, or even thoughts, yet they shape reality every second.
Truth isn’t limited to eyesight; it’s recognized through experience, logic, and insight.

So what I’m describing isn’t a “shape” of God, it’s an understanding of the nature of Source:
Formless, not because I saw it, but because form is a property of matter, not of the infinite.

All the examples you gave were properly and reasonably proven with no reasonable doubt remaining.

But this your assertion is begging for proof.

And only proof you are giving is begging for more proof.

For, form and formlessness and property and infinite always refer to things you can see.

And yet you admit that you never saw any of this things, so how can you be said to have spoken the Truth when in fact you have not seen the things you claim, which have to be seen before you can testify of the Truth of them.

Theawakensoul:
1️⃣ “The first religion before Christianity was naturalism and witchcraft.”
This is historically incorrect.

Before Abraham, the world already had:
Sumerian cosmology
Egyptian spiritual systems
Akkadian myths
Babylonian law codes
Zoroastrian teachings
African ancestral systems
Vedic traditions...l

And are all these not based on naturalism? Or do you not know what naturalism is?

Encyclopaedia on world history.
Naturalism in religion refers to the belief that God is the universe/nature, or is seen/, experienced through nature and that all power is derived from nature.

And all these religious systems you raised are all based on nature and natural, which you even stated

So, you see just on this one point you are proven to be a liar

truespeak:
It's very funny when they come with their lizard droppings thinking they are the first.

What a mess.

That aside, e don dey tay wey you kon fight here ooo.

truespeak:
Very eve thing like one moniker of the past

And the guy is acting like he does not know..

And he thinks that he is the first say all these rubbish. He does not know that all were torn to shreds such that many atheists reconverted back to Christianity

I have told If truly he believes he is saying the Truth, he should place his arguments only one issue at a time, instead of this long multi issue jumbled argument he makes.

But he has been making more unnecessary long arguments and dodging it.

Clearly, he knows he is lying and a devu.

Theawakensoul:
1️⃣ “Your fruits are evil because I say so.”
Brother, this is exactly the pattern I’ve been pointing out:
When you cannot address an idea, you judge the person.

You have not shown:
which specific idea I shared is “evil,”
how it contradicts truth,
or why awareness or questioning is automatically wrong...

First, every adult identifies good and evil.

Secondly, I and others, despite ambushing us with the fallacy of excessively long and many arguments so as to make it difficult to address, and even it is addressed another senseless and long argument will come out of it, thereby making look like we could not point your lies and errors and falls: have already pointed out that your post is evil because it is anti God and you are therefore making people to become enemies of God, exactly how the devu did to female Adam.

AS I told you if indeed you meant good make your post small and straight to the point and see if it would not be torn to shreds.

But I believe you know this which is why you are hiding your ivu with long arguments and many points.

All these just proves both you and your fruits are evu

Theawakensoul:
This is not an attack on Christianity.
It is simply acknowledging history, not doctrine.

Let’s break it down.

1️⃣
These frameworks shaped Jewish and Christian thought later.

These narratives were part of the cultural environment Israel grew up in.
Christianity inherited these foundations through Judaism.

4️⃣ Ancient Greece: Philosophy That Shaped Early Christian Thought

5️⃣ Judaism Itself Was Not Original

People forget:
* Judaism was shaped by Babylonian exile
* Many of their theological ideas came from older cultures around them
* Christianity was then built on top of Judaism

So Christianity is essentially a continuation of an ancient spiritual evolution, not an isolated invention.

It means Christianity is part of a long lineage, not the beginning.

The
Christianity inherited, adapted, reshaped, and reinterpreted older spiritual systems...

You say this is not an attack on Christianity, yet everything you say about Christianity is a Lie against Christianity.

First, what you are supposed to say is that the first religion before Christianity was naturalism which mostly practiced witchcraftism aka traditionalism, idolatry and paganism.

It is out of these paganism that God called Abraham and he became the founding father of Christianity.

Judaism is Judahism and it is not Christianity. It is the same paganism God condemned.

https://www.nairaland.com/7790701/judaism-not-what-moses-gave#124873648

So, Christianity has its own distinct line which it ran.

And what you fail to take note of is that every human anywhere is born knowing certain natural Truths of battle between Light and Darkness
* A deceiving spirit opposing the Creator
* Reward for the righteous, punishment for the wicked
* judgment after death
* heaven/hell concepts etc

Thus, these Truths have followed man and have been with him through all his existence, no matter what part of the earth he chose to make his abode.

So, there Christianity did not borrow or "inherit, adapt reshape or reinterpret any older spiritual systems."

It simply got its own Rules and Laws and custom directly from God, The Creator Himself..

So again, you are wrong and are lying against God and Christ and Christianity

Theawakensoul:
Exactly, brother, that’s the part many people overlook..

See how you are calling a very well known ivu thing who brought down the lives of many church goers who thought they were Christians your "brother".

See, he is definitely your brother

Theawakensoul:
What you said is exactly the pattern I keep pointing out:
When a new idea challenges a belief system, people don’t examine the idea…
They attack the messenger.
That’s the same thing Jesus faced:
he questioned traditions, pointed people inward, and talked about the Kingdom within, and the response was hostility, fear, and accusations..

This is not the case here. You are just not taking cognisance of the fact that it is a law that out of a good tree, must come good fruit and vice versa.

The fruit always reveals the tree.

So your first hurdle when you speak is that is your fruit will show what kind of tree you are.

And your fruits are ivu.

When Jesus Spoke, it was only good fruits that came out as you no one, absolutely no one said any of the things He Said were bad or wrong.

But I and others have been saying since you started posting that all your sayings are ivu

That is the difference

Antichristian2:
One must have forgotten to be able to remember! Can God forget anything?

Not necessarily. Remembrance also means awareness and recalling of a fact set to be attended to on the day set to be attended to. Which is why the bible always Says "at the appointed time".

Antichristian2:
How do we know it was Jesus when Paul never knew him before?

Remember, the heavens opened and The Lord Spoke from heaven. Then you see Paul said "who are you, Lord?"

Then, The Lord answered that He is Jesus.

So, this is how Paul knew

Antichristian2:
How did Paul recognize that it was Jesus speaking to him during his encounter on the road to Damascus, considering he had never met Jesus while He was alive and was initially opposed to Him? Furthermore, how did Paul, who had no prior personal relationship with Jesus, become a devoted follower and go on to write more than half of the New Testament, surpassing even the other eleven disciples combined?

That is one of the powers that rules us. Exactly how tenants know their landlord when he comes even when they never met him before.

Then on Paul talking more than the other disciples, it is because he was a lawyer so he got understand all that God was Saying and has demanded.

And so he had a lot to say to warn humanity of the accoming judgement.

And whilst the disciples can only repeat what they learnt from Christ, but he being a lawyer is telling us the certain Judgments that God must give when God's Court is convened.

btoks:
Can't you engage without abuse? I challenge you to be intellectual in your response. Respond to what I wrote. Did the church have the authority to declare on the judaizer issue in Acts 15? Did Jesus set up a church that has authority? Before you make uninformed assumptions about sola scriptura, try to think about how the christianity has been run from day 1. Howhave disputes been dealt with.

Re. Images, Please read about the iconoclast controversy. Then you can come back and debate with knowledge.
By the way, images are not worshipped- you can clearly see in the decree from 787AD council that I posted.

Wiser people have debated these things for centuries. You need to engage the rationale not spew some novel sola scriptura interpretation in 2025.

C'mon Toks, all these are not the issue. And so far none of you have provided a valid defence for this violation.

vdestro:
Em fear plenty ooo. See as his thread just dey spam everywhere.

And in every one of them you can see his fear runs through all of them.

He does not know that he is proving the bible True when it said "there is no rest for the wike.d"

Only criminals hate to be reminded of their fears!

"Fear follows crime and is its punishment." - Voltaire (On the inevitable dread after wrongdoing).

SkengRay:
Clown . You couldn't disprove the truth you used insults and Ran for your life in fear . You guys are programmed to Fear What you don't know. Insulting People and you claim to know christ please Read What he Said in Matthew 5:22

I know you are a luna so you think you can just lie and say anything as you don't know what a thread means. Maybe when you are cured, you would see that you can not lie on a thread

Aizenosa:
No wonder nobody even took the energy to teach una self.

Clearly because they know that they are teaching a Lie and if the students ask questions, teacher, like you can never defend it.

vdestro:
That place eh, hmmm. Anybody that loves himself would run far far away from that shrine.

People usually do not love themselves so, no hope

Aizenosa:
There is really no helping you people walai, the bible verses are there for you to read and learn, nor be hear say them dem take dey argue.

Yet you could not cite the Bible that defends you people's wrong doing. No Catholic here could. That tells you.

The way you people can just use your own hands to pour fire on themselves shocks and amazes me. However, na una right.

vdestro:
Seriously!

In flagrant disobedience of the commandment to not make images of anything whether in the heavens ooo (this one catch their Mary wey dem go tell you say em dey heaven) or earth ooo or even water ooo.

Yet they do it rebelliously without fear ah.

Na God save me from that paganic and idolatry church.

I tremble for them ooo. Anyway, if someone can put smoke in his own body, it will not be far fetched that they shall see faya and not enter it

LordReed:
But it isn't only things we worship or fear we project our nature onto. I think it is things we have little or incomplete understanding of especially things we like to think have agency. That's why we tell tales of animals talking like humans or like when we didn't know what thunder was we would imagine it was the sound of a god talking.

So when Enid Blyton wrote about talking animals it was not based on worship or fear or on incomplete understanding?