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immaculatesense:
Na just beating about the bush. LUNO has never defrauded me before. So, where is the thief?

Who is LUNO? Did you say anything about Luno before? You are just running your mouth since you real eyes that you do not have any reasonable thing to say again

immortalcrown:
You never did.

Quote any law that says that consent to sex in marriage is to be sought each the couple wants to have sex.

Also, show me where the constitution says that a man can do to his wife something that can be legally or religiously interpreted as rape.

You said "Can you quote any law that contradicts my comment?"

Now you have changed post again to "Quote any law that says that consent to sex in marriage is to be sought each the couple wants to have sex"

When you are the one saying that a husband can rape his wife so long as the wife gave her consent, an everlasting one-time thing given at their beginning of their marriage.

"consent is one-time and given at the beginning of the marriage."

So, according to you, he can rape her since she has exhausted her one and only consent. The only consent she has in the whole world, according to you.

helinues:
Your arguments is not making sense at all. You went to a private bar,met people and took their photos without them being aware. That's wrong

It is you who is making a senseless argument by moving the post arguing in a circle.

The thread already shows that you started from there, then you moved to saying it is wrong. Then after I corrected you, you moved to asking how I would respond to it.

And now I have corrected you, yet again, you have moved back to the beginning.

So, you see, you are the one not having any reasonable thing to say on this issue

immortalcrown:
Can you quote any law that contradicts my comment?

I did that already you are just moving post

Orlandoo:
And nothing was done to the evil woman that accused him?

This is where I like 50cents. He don't take sheet from women

helinues:
You are contradicting yourself

No, I'm not.

You are just not appreciating that there are 2 sides to this issue.

1) Freedom/Right of public photography versus

2) Freedom/Right of the offended to take action against the photographer

helinues:
Bro, how will you feel seeing your pictures online without authorization or even aware

This is moving the post to another issue of response

And the mere fact that I said that it is permissible did not not mean that I also said that you do not have a right to challenge the photographer requesting him to delete the picture so taken.

immortalcrown:
No part of my comment supports rape. Continue to twist things to suit yourself.

It did when you said "consent is one-time and given at the beginning of the marriage". Meanwhile rape comes up much after in the marriage

Kobojunkie:
No, it ain't a public place but a private establishment. If say dem be politicians, you go talk that samr thing?

Yes it is privately owned but it invited the public to enter it's place, so it has become a public place

helinues:
It's wrong to take people's picture without their consent. Take the picture down

Not while you are in public. If it is so, it means it is also wrong for cameras to be in the streets

Kobojunkie:
Both of them happen to be glued to their screens so wetin be your own? They could be playing the same game or chatting...but the main be say wetin be your own? You carry picture of two strangers , without permission, post online to say what...that they must reason it all as you do? 🥱🥱

I am pissed that you actually took photos of the two unblurred. --- the gal is in full view too---, and posted it online without permission. Please take it down. If say na you, you go like am? 🥱🥱

I knew one of you atheists will come and remind your atheists brother that you people have made the law of minding your business. So, by that law, couples no longer have a right to talk to each other.

Exousiang01:
Am man in his early 40s who doesn't understand women enough to get himself 1wife shouldn't marry.

A young man in his early 20s is asking for help finding a wife in public space is understandable....

But for the more than 40 years of your life you have met a woman you can get serious with.

You are a problem

Ah! Life go show you

immaculatesense:
So, if I invest in Palm oil now and another invest in garri and the price of palm oil rises and the price of garri dropped like it is currently. So, if people are buying my palm oil at a high price and the garri selling is running at a loss, does that mean I am robbing her because people pay me more?

So, If I sell my palm oil to someone who refuses to pay me, and I called the person a scammer, does that mean that the whole business is a scam and sin because a scammer refuses to pay me?

Make it make sense. The Bible is our constitution, point to it or else it is just ur opinion. SIMPLE.

The word "invest" has already showed you the difference for you are putting in your money to get palm oil, which the owner of the p.oil is selling. In which case your money has simply been turned to palm oil which can turn back to money.

Where is the stealing in it?

Is the stealing and scam not where he does not have the palm oil at all? So it is a case of you gave a thief your money. It's as simple as that

immortalcrown:
The consent is one-time and given at the beginning of the marriage. Stop twisting things unnecessarily.

Was the consent given for rape? No
Did you marry your wife with a mind of raping her and you told her that your marriage includes you raping her? (Na only you fit answer this question?)

And this is The Law, no one can consent to a crime.

Oo0Oo0Oo0:
In Nigeria, gambling is not illegal as long as you're 18+

You need your govts permission (license) before you can set up a gambling thing, so that tells you that it is illegal.

immaculatesense:
You are just beating about the bush.
So, the summary of what you are saying is that the Forex and Stock market is a sin.
Although that is your view which is wrong.

Now I understand why the scriptures is so perfect by not making things controversial; it took time to least out sins that believers should run away from. And Gambling which includes Sport betting, forex, Stock market and other investments are not there.

The question is: Will you go and fight God or will you do the addition yourself?

I clearly said that the forex and stock market is a place of fraud and the scam of money doubling which is all stealing, and you yourself could not deny or counter it.

I showed how gambling sits on stealing and is based on stealiing and again you can not counter or deny it.

So, the topic on hand is settled in the absence of any reasonable objection to the points raised.

immaculatesense:
What are you saying?
So, if I approach you now that you should come and buy land and I duped you, does that mean that buying of land is bad because someone duped you?
MMM came with bad motive just like CBEX and some people fell victim. But does that mean that the legally approved ones that has helped people's investments are bad because some their are some evil people in the system?
So, if some people go to church and a pastor dupe them, does that mean going to church is now bad because there are some bad eggs?
THINK NOW.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

You used the word "buy" where you were acting as an a fraudulent agent. Which is why money does not leave us until we meet the owner of the land.

Same thing as going to pastor of babalawos for healing and all those sheets.

And this one is not gambling but fulliishmess as people have said

In MMM, CBex, nospetco, silvertrust, are the true gambling where you willingly and in your bid to steal another person's money, you willingly gave out your money to money doublers and they ran away with it.

Leaving you to call them thieves and scammers as you pretend to forget that you yourself were trying also to steal by taking what does not belong to you

And that is why people has also said that people who put their monies there are also thieves

So gambling is a meeting of thieves where thief gambler is planning on stealing thief customer's money. And thief customer wanted to steal thief gambler's money

Oo0Oo0Oo0:
Gambling is not stealing. Gamblers don't go to prison for gambling, thieves do.

Is it not because your govts do not want to put them in prison because they were settled by the gamblers?

Why do you think gambling is govt regulated?

You are probably waiting for the govt that would leave yahoo yahoo boys alone for you to real eyes it like the Venezuelan president to drug cartels according to Trump

immaculatesense:
Tell me whose money I am stealing if I placed my bet on Manchester United to win today?

If you put ₦1k in the your box, do you get ₦100k? No.
So, if you bet putting down ₦1k that Man U. will win, and they win, is it not somebody's (Betnaija's) ₦99k that you have taken if they give you ₦₦100k?

And if they don't give you the money, is it not thief and scam you called them?

https://www.nairaland.com/6520964/bet9ja-scamming-me-win-2210150#101058091

They even returned this man's true money
https://www.nairaland.com/5549266/it-seems-been-scammed-bet9ja#84364166

immaculatesense:
How is gambling stealing? Can something be called stealing with the person's permission and agreement?
Is FOREX trading also stealing? Since some win and some lose. Is Stock market stealing since some lose and some win? Is business stealing since some run at a loss and some make profit. Do you know the definition of stealing?

The normal gambling is the one someone brings his own money which is built on a plan of taking another person's money,. Is that not stealing as he is trying to take what does not belong to him.

Then he lays his own money as a trap to get any greedy person (another thief) to come and try take his money...

Is forex not like MMM? where you give your real money and they give you unreal nothing on the promise of doubling the nothing (ehen I remember the old story we read of the money doubler) and returning it to you. And a lot of your real money is gone (stolen) just like MMM.

The only difference is that this forex MMM is one organized and maintained by govt. But anytime govt wishes to disappear it, like nitel, their is nothing you can do

freakyavia:
see something with you holier than thou bah you always deflect Omo make una dey inside

Na you change post, yet you dey accuse me of deflecting, e no work na.

And this topic is about holiness/doing the right thing and so, I will say that which is right and confirm the holy thing

MikeofKd:
Yes a man can rape his wife. Now outside the confinement of marriage it is a serious and punishable offense by law , within the confinement of marriage ( well I don't think there's a law for that here in Nigeria , except other countries , so it may or may not be punishable by law in Nigeria )

If a woman says no ,it's best to respect her decision and move on as a man , forcing her to copulate with you because you married her is morally wrong and can lead to further problems within the marriage. So yes a man can rape his wife.

The Rape law in criminal code can still punish the offending spouse (note I said spouse for any sex can be raped)

immaculatesense:
Quote just ONE place or verse where the Bible mentioned "GAMBLING" specifically as a SIN. Abi was there no gambling in the scriptural days? Why was it not mentioned specifically like other sins in Romans 1 and Galatians 5 or Revelations 20? Oya answer.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

If stealing is condemned then you cannot practice gambling exactly how you cannot practice polygamy without being guilty of adultery. That is the snare God has laid

Host78:
bro.
Those things trickle down here eventually. It's a matter of time.

Only when Nigerians start having the kind of cohabitation arrangements that they have in those places.

immortalcrown:
No!

Acceptance of marriage means mutual consent to intercourse, both legally and religiously.

In marriage, the partners owe each other the responsibility of sexual pleasure. You carry out your responsibility as long as you are able (healthy and available) to do so, whether it pleases you or not.

A woman saying she was raped by her husband just because he slept with her when she was not in the mood for sex is like a man saying that his family enslaves him because the struggles he goes through to feed the family do not please him.

But if a man can hold himself when his wife says no, it is very good. He should also be considerate to let the wife be when he knows that she is stressed out. One of the major problems with our society is that we want to eat our cake and have it. Morally, a man insisting on sleeping with his wife when she is not in the mood is better than he cheating on the wife. But to those who who misunderstand the meaning of marriage, a man cheating on his wife is better than he sleeping with the wife when the wife is not in the mood for sex. The craziest part is that some women after claiming that they are not in the mood and denying their husbands sex will still persecute the husbands for meeting another woman. This paragraph is not trying to justify infidelity in marriage. This paragraph only tries to project the madness of our society.

Most of the women who believe that a man can rape his wife are still the ones cheating on their husbands. They claim it is because they still love the exes....

See you used the word "consent".

So you see, it becomes rape when that consent is not there.

"Not in the mood" is not the same as lack of consent. Not in the mood in marriage means implied consent. So uncle as every husband does, still has and enjoys the right to stimulate and put her in the mood while he is already in her after all the mood always kicks in when the match has started.

But this is different from the one that she says "No" and has closed her legs and runs to another room where you pursue her and beat her and tear her clothes and pant and penetrate her, all with force. That is Rape!

Amotolongbo:
But it was easy for you to say “Yorubas themselves” like all the yorubas came together to tell you themselves.

But which of the bibles are you even talking about?

Because, as you have done and said, people have always said so and no Yoruba nor has anyone come to dispute that it is not True, unlike the Bible.

Host78:
The world has moved past this question the op is asking.

Here's the new trend:

You can sleep with your wife but she needs to give you consent before you can ejaculate

I mean, now you get consent to sleep with your wife and then you need to obtain consent again in the middle of the sex to ejaculate.

A man was recently convicted of rape because his wife only gave approval for sleeping with her but not consent to ejaculate.

The world is against men and we still are joking around.

First they brainwash these women like this first article.

Convince women that sperm is dangerous and then push a bill against it.

Not in Nigeria howevet, UK has been going out of Law since, most especially as they way they marry in the UK and co, is not the same as we do in Nigeria.

This is where you see that UK and co are just like us and that they have their own culture and traditions.

Which is why even if you are a lawyer here and law is universal they have to retrain you there to fit their own culture and tradition.

And now you see that even in UK and co, culture and tradition does not always fit and comply with Law

bmd1010:
This is just up to a short debate or just your opinion, no need for insult.

But i for one don't think its should be called rape, same way there are different kind of murder, and it seem to be a one sided situation, d wife cries rape and the husband cries what?? Or wait we hardly or can't remember hearing the case of a man getting raped by the wife.

Am just saying wat i feel, feel free to say urs

As long as he forced himself on her, yes, he has raped her.

Secondly, since women usually marry men who are stronger than they are, then reason proves that a wife cannot rape her husband. However, if it happens then The Law would do just is to it.

I think it is because they are afraid of coup in Nigeria

freakyavia:
for once would be wrong to ask a God we worship to show up ? ehh saint obi

Now you have moved post to "show up"; a show up He has already Said He would do, so you really do not have any reasonable thing to say, so go and rob, gamble, adulterate, it is you who answers for the offences

mariovito:
So whether gambling, fortune telling or casting lots, the underlying thread is relying on chance

Laying a trap of consent stealing or stealing by consent aka gambling is not reliance on a chance.

Fortune telling is already witchcraft

Amotolongbo:
Yes.
Some Jews also told me that those stories in the Bible are fables

I knew you would claim "some Jews' no one saw all because you want to deny the bible