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tctrills:
These 2 verses do not in the least apply to anything you are saying.

They already have if not you would have since said Liying and blaspheming that, that Spirit in Genesis 6:3/ John 1:4 is not God but the spirit of man called soul. But you didn't so, you are Lying.

And yet, you think you have repented.

tctrills:
Daniel talks about the dead sleeping so if the dead are sleeping, how come
Revelation 6:9-10
Are they sleep talking?
Clearly, it is their bodies sleeping

Does the word "slain" not already tell you that they are dead? And inside death, they can speak as Abel and Samuel did.

Please you have no valid argument to make you are just running about change post here are there trying to find something but alas you have none because the scripture is clear.

tctrills:
Your opinion. He never called goats His kids so i will not be that bold. We depend on the revelations of His spirit not guesswork.

Saying "your opinion" is proof you cannot counter. No creator has to call his creations especially non living things his children because everyone knows that they are his children.

[quote author=tctrills post=137775495]He told us that humans are His offspring not animals and it makes sense, because we are His children, we can become like Him. You goat doesn't end up becoming like the Father

Already addressed that repeating yourself won't change it.

And no, Genesis 1 already said we were already like Him a goat wasn't.

So you have no valid argument

tctrills:
The bible never says so no single verse. I gave you a chance to provide a verse that talks about that and you couldn't so why should anyone believe you

So now you want to lie against Genesis 6:3/ John 1:4 and against me? This thread already shows I said this earlier and you could not respond

And you think you have repented?

tctrills:
All are His creature but all are not His children.
I just built a house it is my creature not my child. Big difference

All creatures whether living or not living are children of their creator, including your house

tctrills:
Yes the body goes to the dust. But the spirit returns to where it was formed

There you go doing your usual denial when met with a Truth you find not pleasant.

The Bible said all the spirit of men which is soul whether saints or sinners are inprisoned in death.

And Genesis 6:3/ John 1:4 shows us that it is God in man (Emmanuel) Who returns to Him when we die

tctrills:
Lets read to see if Daniel 12:2 agrees with you

Daniel 12:2

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

This verse says nothing about the captive spirits as you claim so as always, you are wrong.

This verse is clearly talking about the bodies in the dust.

Remember, Ecclesiastes taught that the body returns to the dust nit the spirit. Do you understand it now?

Where do people sleep? Lazarus and Jarius daughter already answered that question.

tctrills:
Please just browse the names of Henry Ford's children to end the argument. Screenshot the answer and send it to me. End of discussion

Now you have moved post to the living beings who look like him, exactly how we look like God, which is what I said at the beginning.

But that does not in anyway stop other creations whether living or not from being called children because the HCF and LCM is that all of you are creations.

And to make it worse, the Bible even Said that Henry Ford is not the father of those living beings we call Henry Ford's children

tctrills:
That's your opinion, we already know that our spirits return to Him who gave it.

For you to say "that's my opinion" is proof you are wrong. For everything I said is precisely in the scripture and you could not counter it.

Thus, your spirit called soul is imprisoned by death whether you are a saint or not as upheld by Daniel 12:2, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and co have expressly stated with no ambiguity

tctrills:
If you read Henry Ford's biography, you will not see the F150 mentioned as one of his sons. So being the creator of such a wonderful machine does not automatically make the F150 to be members of his family..

Whether the F150, lives or remains a non living thing, Henry Ford will always be considered the father of the F150

Ehen,, that is why we even say "this is the brain[b]child[/b] of the organisation".

tctrills:
Your opinion is very different from the word of God. Lets read 1 verse
Zechariah 12

The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Here it is clear that God formed our spirits within him.
Unless you are saying that the bible is wrong and it was the Spirit of God that He formed within Him not the spirit of man. Then the verse would read, " and God formed the Spirit of God within Him.

The word is "formeth" which means "created" which Genesis 2:7 confirms pointing out how man became a living soul after getting God's breath.

So, Zachariah shows us that God formed our soul from Himself.

However, the other scriptures cited shows that God's Spirit also resides with the soul and body of man, so that the man lives on the earth.

So no inconsistency here.

tctrills:
Now which spirits return to Him?
We learn from Stephen, his dying prayer, unto Thee i commit my spirit.
He Knew where his spirit was going. His spirit was going back to the care of God.
Hope you get it now bro?

"unto thee, I commit my spirit" is a prayer of submission of our soul unto God and His will for what comes next at death.

Nevertheless, God's Spirit by virtue of Genesis 6:3 and John 1:4 returns to Him and we die. And our soul is imprisoned and swallowed up by death. That is what the Bible Said

Antichristian2:
What if God did not bring clouds over the earth?

Then God would not remember cos for him to remember he must bring clouds over the earth!

Get back to real eyeity.

"What if" means it is not real

Antichristian2:
[size=12pt]If Jesus died as a man, then it seems unfair that one man could atone for the sins of the entire world. Shouldn't it be a soul for a soul?..]

It is not for you or any man to decide how the atonement should be.

Antichristian2:
I don't think i am wrong from the post above. Whenever God brings clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the cloud, God will remember......

What if God did not bring clouds over the earth?

Sign means earmarking.

Zestzealotzenit:
I have been trying to have it mostly anytime im reading the Bible sometimes wen m alone whenever it comes I feel I'm going to die or running mad I jus feel death I jus can't understand myself then it goes away not until I saw it on tiktock

Which kain awakening be dis? This sounds more like panick attack

Tboy222:
Spiritual awakening is the return to the original base 12 structure of our DNA.

We were rewired by the fallen angels, the Nephilims called the Annunaki from planet Nibiru.

We're are returning back to the 4 God system.

Tetra = 4

Tetragrammaton

Yod Hey vav Hey

Yod = masculine
Hey = feminine
Vav = masculine
Hey = feminine

God our heavenly Father yahua, and the holy Spirit our beloved Mother Shekinah, the dove herself.

Then to Christ the King, Yahusha himself, and his bride, his twin sister, Sophia 🌹, The goddess of the universe, she is wisdom with her seven pillars of fire, her seven manorah that burn before the throne of God.

Wow! What a dustbin. A whole human being will turn inwards himself to become blood and DNA?

Your weed is crezy

tctrills:
When we die, our spirits will return to Him. Our flesh is His creation but our spirits are more than that, they are His children. We have his DNA in our spirits.

This is not True.
It is God's Spirit which returns back to Him as we see in Genesis 6:3

Your spirit, that is man's spirit is what is called the soul which is why you said "We have his DNA in our spirits (soul)".

I told you in your thread but you could not take the Truth back then. Maybe today you will

https://www.nairaland.com/8567307/death-judged-immediately-judgement-come#137571230

And if you say your spirit returns to Him when you die, how come it is death who vomits you to God's Court for judgement?

And if you are in God already, then God cannot judge you.

Or do you want to make it worse by saying God is death?

Which gets worser in that God cast death into the lake of fire!

So, you see, your, your spirit returning to God is wrong

tctrills:
Wrong, He was the creator of Adam's flesh not the Father of His flesh. Big difference.

God created goats and pigs but He never called them His children.
Adam is not the son of God because God created his flesh but because God is the Father of his spirit.

Do you understand it now?

He does not need to especially as they are not created to be like Him.

You don't see Henry Ford or Steve Jobs claiming father of the car and iPhone. That one goes without saying as it is automatically implied.

And so, wrong every Creator is automatically the father of its creation whether the creator, says so or not.

btoks:
You're now arguing like an athieat who questions even the existence of Jesus.
You may want be careful what you think is a lie.
I'll come back with a fuller response in due course.

True, atheists made me question everything and that is why I can now confidently argue against them for they are wrong.

So, no problem I'll await your reply.

btoks:
Peter and Paul are buried within catholics churches in Rome and the veneration predates roman empire legalisation of christianity

And it is clearly a Lie sold by Catholics for Peter and Paul were enemies of the Romans and being Jews like Jesus, their bodies would be returned to their families and kinsmen for proper burial as you have seen happened with the Hamas killings.

And this is made worse by the fact that no independent source corroborates this so called report which the Catholic church peddles.

The Eusebius character is questionable, doubtful and sketchy. I raised a query on him and till today no one is able to answer.

Can you clear the darkness hanging over this guy?

btoks:
I challenge you to show proof of these claims in early christianity and while at it do some actual research, not pick up a wiki article here and there with no context!.

Constantine/Roman emperor legalised christianity he did not invent it.The bishops who led the early councils already governed established churches worldwide..

This is not a valid rebuttal. If you think Wiki and it's sources are wrong then present your own report and the evidence that proves it.

No one said your Constantine invented your Catholic church nor is there any dispute about your Constantine's acts.

But the dark and cloudy area of dispute is the period between when the Romans pursued and persecuted the Christian church to when they Constantine allowed the Christian church to dwell freely.

btoks:
Mary never replaced pagan goddesses and your claim has no basis in history.
Veneration is not worship and this distinction existed long before roman empire supported christianity.
No ancient christian source accuses the catholic church of paganism.

By the evidence, she did.

Vocabulary.com
https://www.vocabulary.com
Venerate - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms
To venerate is to worship, adore be in awe of.

btoks:
Your false theory requires a total collapse of christianity with no historical trace, this never happened.

The Roman empire and the catholic church are separate, you can clearly see that the church carried on even after the roman empire collapse.


What church do you think all the church fathers and writers connected to ? Are they from some mythical early church you can't even identify?

Do further research and would happily engage.

As you yourself have confirmed, Christianity had already spread outside the Roman Empire when the Romans were pursuing them to quench them. So clearly Christianity was already growing without the positive input of the Romans. And, the Catholic church was not even in existence at that time so it cannot take credit for the spread of Christianity at that foundational time

btoks:
Peter and Paul are buried within catholics churches in Rome and the veneration predates roman empire legalisation of christianity

And it is clearly a Lie sold by Catholics for Peter and Paul were enemies of the Romans and being Jews like Jesus, their bodies would be returned to their families and kinsmen for proper burial as you have seen happened with the Hamas killings.

And this is made worse by the fact that no independent source corroborates this so called report which the Catholic church peddles.

The Eusebius character is questionable, doubtful and sketchy. I raised a query on him and till today no one is able to answer

https://www.nairaland.com/8412421/see-catholic-lie-man-said#135173890

tctrills:
He is unique in that
The entire process of His physical birth was Fathered by God. This makes Him the only begotten Son in the flesh. ..

He is the only one God Fathered in the flesh the rest of us are spirit children of God only.

Wrong.

He was already His Son before He came visiting the earth as a human.

Isaiah 9:6: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:.

Psalms 2:7 - I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

He was the Father of Adam's flesh at the first but Adam's absorption of sayt Han caused a change and corruption

And unfortunately, humanity was born after that corruption.

So, God is Father of the spirit and sayt Han father of the flesh.

Unfortunately, men love sayt Han and that is where the wahala starts

zeuss:
Genocidal Fulani wounding lifes everyday like they too don't have life

It is better God Comes and ends all these rubbish na

btoks:
It's historical fact that the early Jewish church was part of the wider church named catholic...

That is not True especially as the history shows that the Romans persecuted the Church. And to maintain hold over the conquered territories, they just rode on growing popularity and respect the conquered territories had for Christians, so the Romans created their own version of church to align with the Christian churches to look like the Christian church.

It is that alignment that you are referring to. And as you can see, the Romans Catholic church still maintains the paganisms of the Romans which is why they over elevated Mary and caused you to worship her in substitution for their pagan god, Juno.

Catholic church is a church of paganism which you yourself confessed to saying "The catholic church has always included several eastern rites/expressions in communion such the jewish, armenian, chaldean, maronite, syro malabar rites etc.

Romans have always practiced polytheism

Unlike the disciples Christian church, where no accusation of paganism was ever in it

Of which, just like JWs you Catholics say in the church that you are not Christians but are Catholics

https://www.nairaland.com/8347687/it-roman-catholics-pagans-ruled/1#134241458

From Wikipedia
"Christianity began as a Jewish sect and remained so for centuries in some locations, diverging gradually from Judaism over doctrinal, social and historical differences. Despite the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire, the faith spread as a grassroots movement that by the third century was established both in and outside the empire."

Since Christianity was practiced being
practiced "underground" and out of public sight, for centuries, so I ask when and how does the Roman Catholic church say they connect to Peter, an Israelite, when they were busy pursuing him and putting him in prison trying to shut him and his new small religion?

Especially as the records say that Emperor Nero tortured Peter and Paul?

"After a massive fire burned down the majority of Rome in 64 CE during the reign of Nero, the emperor blamed the event on the Christians and made a public showcase of torturing and executing the cult’s practioners, which possibly included the Apostles Peter and Paul

So, Catholic church never connected to Peter or to the Christian church. They just did political alignment and eye service. And the history shows that the Roman Empire and Catholic church are one and the same thing especially

AI Overview
In ancient Rome, the concept of separation of church and state, as we know it, didn't exist; early Christians were a persecuted minority

So you see you lie when you say this Roman Empire and Catholic church were separate

Nna men, I no gree dis one the report is just trying to cover up for oloses.

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vdestro:
Has man not said he wants to do his things his own way?

Has he not set up his own government to rule him whom he has said is its duty to take care of him?

Has he not thrown God aside?

Has he not made things and even said Science does everything for him, therefore he does not need nor want God?

So wetin concern God again na? You are getting what you asked for.

Atheists would even be telling people to trust govt and rely on themselves, yet things have only gotten worse and they are full of depre...

Goodmarlian:
If I may ask what about the millions going to church every Sunday? What about the millions going to mosque every Friday who are they praying to, who are the serving, and do you want to say God is not in support of human government did he not choose kings for Israel? Was David not chose by God? Say something else.

Are they not the same ones who say "why are you fighting govt? Govt should create jobs, pay pensions etc"

They are wasting their time and as you see things have only gotten badder each year

Cum4me:
why must all your explanation be biblical no single prove scientifically

Do you need science to see how things have gotten worse since the British white bandits brought kingship to you people?

And it is only going to get worser and worser exactly how Christmas period used to be very sweet and good now you people are trying to make yourselves happy. Even without science you are already experiencing it.

Goodmarlian:
In the bible and other holy books there were Instanxes where God intefered directly, Infact in some bible verses God came down from heaven and fought war with humans so what happened in this our era why did it stop?

1 Samuel 8: 11 -18 told you why.

btoks:
This is exactly why the bible must be read within the context of the church, not through private interpretation. ..

By church you mean the Roman Catholic church and not even the Jewish church that came from Christ Himself.

Then of course your Roman church is not also giving their own private interpretation, right?

then on your so called exceptions to the commandment on images, God Say "make those images for yourselves and bow to them".

No.

Anyway, as you said we should "Leave God's judgement for God ". We would all see it on that Day.

Another anti Christ post

Even when God Himself is The One Who appointed Who should deal with our matters yet you want to make your own way, go ahead. We shall see what becomes of you