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btoks:
Thank you for your concern, although I have no fear.
Let's put it this way, I wouldn't even believe the bible without the church established by Jesus identifying this is the Word of God. If the church got the bible right, I can trust its declarations on other doctrinal matters including allowing the use of images in church and home. Not for worship or idolatry as worship is for the Trinity alone.
The xhurch has always rejected the worship of any created thing. Images serve a different purpose. They remind christians of the reality of the Incarnation, they assist teaching and offer a way of honouring the saints who have finished their course and now part of thechurch triumphant. A soldier does not worship his nation’s flag but respects what it stands for. A man who kisses a photo of his deceased mother does not worship the paper. He honours the person represented and keeps her memory alive. Christian images function in the same way. Shikena.

Now you say the bible and your Catholic church are the one and the same whereas the bible Said do not have images to worship them yet, your church makes you now to Mary and other images.

Well on God's Court Day, we will see what would happen to you people

btoks:
I'm not raising new grounds. Paul’s letters are part of the NT and their authority depends on the larger question of how the church recognised scripture in the 1st instance. You cannot discuss Paul without discussing the canon

You were the one who raised Paul's letters. You did not raise canon. And after I addressed it, you moved all over the place away from the issue. And so you have achieved your goal. But you forget it's your neck on the noose over the violation of the idolatry Commandment meanwhile you are trying to plead your church's opinion whereas, God's going to judge you based on His commandments and not on your books

Steep:
The summary of your whole convulsion is that you are you own God or atleast you become God, which is not new and It is called Satanism.
Satanism is the worship of the self or promoting the self as God.

You are a slave to sin and the devil who has deceived you.

The scripture says that the wages of sin is death.
You are not God you have no power over death only Jesus who overcame death has power over death and only Jesus has the power to save you. Submit to God now before its too late.

It is too late for him.

Theawakensoul:
For centuries, salvation has been taught like a transaction:
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See another person has called you @ devu with yet another delu post

That is why God should come oo. Let all His enemies be distroyd

Antichristian2:
Who told you the Bible is complete? Was Jesus aware of the compilation of the Bible? Even the disciples of Jesus were not aware of the Bible you have today as it is.

Off Point/Departure from Post

Arda1000:
which signs are you talking about and what evidence do you have to proves that the claimed signs are from any god?

C'mon man, can you not read?

btoks:
You are assuming a settled NT with clear authority before it existed. Recall that NT recorded events that occured decades before! You are also assuming a continuous early church that taught the truth while denying the identity of that same church once it appears in history outside the NT! !

You are just trying to create unending arguments since you real eyes that you cannot counter my response, so you have resorted to raising new grounds of argument eg "NT recorded events that occured decades before or denying the identity which is not the issue.

The NT I addressed is the Paul's letters which you raised because you know that Paul's letters is the bulk of Nt. So now you cannot counter it, you have now moved post to create new grounds of argument which by the laws of debate you cannot do.

btoks:
If the catholic church did not have binding authority, how's it possible to explain how the NT came to be recognised at all? !

Any body of Christians could have complied the bible as long as they were given all the materials to do so.

Since Christians cannot be violent, God just used the violent Roman to get it done exactly how He used the British white bandits to bring it to Africa.

No big deal in it. And neither did that best authority in the British.

btoks:
You say the bible retains authority even if letters are removed or added but no one is questioning the scripture. The question is how do you know which books count as scripture. The NT hass 27 books and no christian of the first 200 years had that complete list. Even the different judaism groups recognised different OT canons at the time. !

From the spirit of the first undisputed books, God's Spirit can be discerned for it can be seen that a sequence emerged.

Thus, if you have identified 1,2,3,4, 5, 6, 7, ... You must look for 8,9,10 and if you have 13 and 19, you would know it does not key until the missing numbers are found and filled.

And now from the first sequence, there cannot be two 13s or 3, twenties.

And in all these, if the the first undisputed 7 books were the bible, that bible is already the Authority.

btoks:
You also say bible would have remained authoritative even if it ended in Malachi! How would the church have been able to function with only the OT? !

Did you not see Ezra and Nehemiah and their churches function even when the bible had not reached Malachi?

So, you see, the Bible was already ruling..

btoks:
And then what is the rationale for including the NT at all. (In any case, christians operated with no NT for decades) !

I answered this saying it was to give a very comprehensive Law overview and exposē of the The laws and Judgments God gave Moses is a Law Opinion (what you understand as legal opinion but because legal is a fake concept is why I said Law opinion).

Jesus started it, but people won't get it, so God got lawyer Paul to come and break it down for you lay men, so that no one can say that he did not understand The Law and Judgements of God.

That is why it is good it was added especially as you would notice that the old testament is mostly stories where people wil pretend not to see that it is still talking about the application of God's Laws and judgements, which now the N.T is mostly dedicated to Law and Judgement and the prophecy of judgement Day.

btoks:
If you say that the catholic church did not exist during early christianity, where is the evidence that the original church disappeared or where is that church tiday?. Who preserved its teaching and continued its mission. !

Who said it disappeared? Did you not see Philip transfer it to the Ethiopian Eunuch and the church came to Africa even before the Romans took it up?

Did you not hear Gameliel's warning even before Rome took it up, that if it the church was truly established by God it cannot be stopped?

So definitely, it is God Himself Who preserves it and not Rome or any man.

btoks:
You referred to the Jerusalem council as the early church speaking and that's where value comes from. That council did not rely on a completed NT. Luke recorded this event decades later in Acts. It made a binding decision for all christians based on the discernment of the apostles and elders, guided by the Holy Spirit. Which church do you think carried on this pattern when there are disputes? !

I clearly stated that, "if sand when that church speaks/spoke value and binding precedent comes from of it" because they were the direct Jewish appointees of Christ.

But that cannot be said for Catholic church as for pastor Chris.

btoks:
These questions remain for you:
When did the NT become a recognised authority?!

When it was seen by Christians to be the very Word of God.

btoks:
Who had the authority to distinguish its books from all others?!

Any Christian like those in Antioch and not the church goers who claim Christian

btoks:
How did christians know the truth before the NT was compiled?!

Exactly how the disciples perceived that Jesus was The Promised One.

btoks:
What happened to the church founded by the Jesus if it is not the same as the Catholic/Orthodox Church?!

Nothing, other than doing its mission of spreading The Word of God to the ends of the earth.

btoks:
Why did Paul command christians to hold unwritten traditions and letter if sola scritura is the rule of faith.!

Because people lpervert The Law as you yourself have done here, however, by The Spirit of The Law, No man can pervert it.

That is why you asked me these many questions in your bid to escape judgement.

But I have gone through the pains to answer you to show you that whether in word or in spirit, when you are guilty, you remain guilty with no escape

btoks:
Where is is stated that the bible only reasonably satifies our means as christians according to you?!

I said "needs".

And we can see, the whole Christian world has since been satisfied with the Bible.

btoks:
Who decided that Paul's letters were a law option according to you?

Where did I say law option?

Do you not have eyes to see it? Even fisherman Peter declared it.

So, you see, after all your attempt to dodge guilt, I still stuck it. And of course you won't be able to do this rubbish in God's Court.

I wash my hands of you, you can carry on as you desire as I said at the beginning of this post you are just trying to make rubbish of this debate since you saw that you could
not counter my response, so resorted to made this very long so that I won't be able to address all of them.

But I have done that and it is your own life or deat

Antichristian2:
God should be above forgeting things sha! I sure of that one!

It is not for you to say what God should be.

Continue blaspheming, today is your day but tomorrow and eternity is for God to use to finish yew to your atom

Antichristian2:
That means everything God created was not good! Adam would have been good if everything God created was good! Genesis 1:31.

You just dey derail thread! Abeg!

Shifting of Post especially as everything was already good before that day.

So you don't have any reasonable thing to say and God will puni .. yiur blasphemies. You will surely surely regret

Antichristian2:
If God need to earmark something for a later date then he could forgot things! That is not a befitting attribute of an all-powerful God!

When you earmark to pay your rent or buy a car to surprise someone you don't forget

vdestro:
You are funny. So He has no right to earmarked a thing for a later date which is what recall is eh?..!

I tire oo.

Of which judgement day is another appointed day for some people to begin their eternal wailing

This is why everyday I am praying that it would judgement day. Let God start revenging Himself and us too

Arda1000:
Thanks to modern science the myth that rainbow is a sign from any god has been debunked.

The sign used to warn villages afar of attack were they not based on the natural materials found on earth?

Did that stop them from being a sign?

And this is why it is truly good that God eternally puni .. yew people both hia and dia

Antichristian2:
If God can recall something then he is no more God!

God should be above forgeting anything to later recall!

Like your calculator saying you are no longer man because you can answer 127 x 127 in 1 second.

It is not you who determines how God should be.

Continue blaspheming. You would see what them Sodom and Gomorrah saw

Antichristian2:
How did you know Adam already knew? Show us!!

That is why I asked if you saw God teach Adam anything and the answer is no, as we all saw Adam doing things on his own without being taught. Which means he knew.

Antichristian2:
Gibberish! Seems you don't intend to answer the question!!

The thread shows that I have answered the question and that you could not even find any counter to it.

vdestro:
Fill in the missing "i".

Oh eedot.

Haba, this is extreme in this case. I know that it is because of his past threads is why you are angry but we have to try and be fair and reasonable (I know say e hard but we gas do am) and see each thread on it its own force. Anyone could have asked this

vdestro:
Na even the difference cause am ooo

It must

Rexymania:
They can't answer your question, bcus they don't have an answer

Most people cannot answer the questions because questions based on wishes are invalid and unreasonable questions.

And secondly, because no one can change the past so answering an "I wish" question is completely useless and a waste of thinking

Did I not tell you those days when you were blaspheming and insalting God that you will greatly regret it? See, it now you are wishing you could change the past

ayoncox:
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Second, do you understand the context of the whole Scriptures and it relates to life itself?

He does.
He knows that God is going to throw him there so he is just wishing all kinds of things

Antichristian2:
[size=12pt]1. If God is all-loving and forgiving, why didn’t He teach Adam to ask for forgiveness and forgive both himself and Eve? Since God created Adam and sin, shouldn’t He have established a system of forgiveness from the very beginning?

Did you see Him teach Adam anything?
No!
Because Adam already knew.

Secondly, there is nothing to forgive if no offence is given. And no offence was given.

3) Stop Wishing! You cannot change the past. So this is pointless and your silent blasphemy did not unnoted by heaven

Antichristian2:
2. If God gave mankind laws in the Old Testament knowing that people would struggle to fully obey them, can God still be considered loving and just? Isn’t it said that God should not burden people beyond what they can bear?

Now you are doing Ananias and sapphira thinking you can deceive God and still blaspheme Him and you wonder why you are afraid of judgement Day

Surely, you would pay for your jots and idle thoughts of blasphemy. Especially as you stu.. ly choose to forget that God knows that you can even keep The Laws even when He did not Write them down just like Abel, Seth, Enoch, Noah, Abraham... did and has seen you keep it.

So, you have no excuse and God has already been loving and just even when you do not deserve it and I would tell Him to put yew in the fire lake body and soul even while you are still on earth.

Antichristian2:
If Jesus were to save even one person from eternal punishment in Hell, wouldn’t He need to endure an equivalent eternal punishment Himself? If He saves billions, does that mean He must spend billions of eternities in Hell? How can three days and three nights of death save billions from an eternal Hell? Where is the fairness in that?[/color]

Death row people can wish.

No need to wish. God is not plucking out anybody, even if a toenail from the eternal punishment (E.P) as He has done all the saving He Planned and wished to do,

So, you are not the one to tell Him how to save or when to save or who to save.

Plus, the salvation was to save man from the E. Punishment which is to come. So, He is not going into E.pun to save you. It is just you and your kind that will be rhoast thing there

Kai! See as satan don make people fear-die k0lo with wishing they can change the past.

Death row people can over wish.

vdestro:
Oh, your post reeks of desperation and fear no matter how much you deny it. It leaks like a suckaway full of .....

But this one is a little better and a normal person will say it's reasonable so I think it should be addressed

vdestro:
That is the meaning of a dot and that is what dots do.

Make I no lie, I no understand

Antichristian2:
The act of "Recalling" is still unbefitting to someone named God!

You are not the beffiter of befitting, so your opinion does not matter nor is it valid.

Antichristian2:
So if i as a non-Christian tell you the heaven upon and i heard Jesus call me. Then i wrote over 10 books on this matter, will my books be added to the Bible books if it is consistent with them?

This is a Departure from the Point. (And besides if at all you are believed, the Bible is already complete. There is nothing new you or anybody wants to say to necessitate bring added to it.

Everything you may say if at all God Speaks to you has already been said and then God closed and sealed the Bible. So nothing can be added to it and God isn't going to talk to anyone now that the outpouring has long since past, which is why we are in the end times.

But remember, this is out of point and a departure from the topic of the thread

Antichristian2:
You mean Tenant does not know the one he is paying rent to?

Knowing the person you are paying to and knowing the landlord are 2 different things.

Antichristian2:
So na only lawyer dey understand God? Lawyers are known with forgeries! Turning white to black with concrete eveidence!

As you can see as many as the lawyers are, you can see that they are not here, turning white to black, even though they do not do as Paul did. They are conspicuously absent. Even your Muslim brother who is a lawyer, that I once met, I have not seen or heard from him since then.

I even called for them
https://www.nairaland.com/6449542/lawyers-forum-why-afraid-declare.

But all these does not negate the fact that Lawyers understand God and can read His mind, hence the special judgement that is waiting for them.

vdestro:
Ah, I am like that too and I am female.

I so hate it eh, that I will stand in line and wait my turn even when everyone was expecting me to ask for favours and even offering it to me from even when I was little.

It used to shock people to their bone marrow

Still do it till this day that when girls/women are around me, they know to behave themselves and wait their turn.

I know naaa! With all that you have gone through you gas be different

It is too late.

God does not want to walk with the nations anymore. You are all on your own now

Jumbojax:
Imagine, dem beat you for not simping.
Na why I no dey vex for simps, most times they are molested, brainwashed or even beating into submission and just like Neo in the matrix they think its normal life until they take the redpill 💊

That is why it was easy for me to see that true true, Eve slept with Satan and they gave birth to girls but Adam did not know (first paternity fraud). And that is why women are soooooo veery Wike.d and ivu