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SpencerForbes:
According to your answer,is it morally wrong for two people that have come on to age of consent to have sex

Yes!

Even without Christianity, the family of the couple are disgusted and disappointed when they find out that the couple have had sex before the wedding. And in fact many couples almost did not marry because of it.

tete7000:
It depends on what yardstick you are measuring with. From a Christian perspective, if they are not married, it is a sin and immoral.
However, if you are an atheist, your basis can be legal which you can deduce the answer to your question by yourself.
I am not an atheist though but a Christian by choice, so my conclusion is that it is immoral and sinful for two unmarried people to have sex.
In a nutshell, the answer to question of morality can be relative, depending on your viewpoint.

Even for atheists it is immoral. Morality cuts everybody down

SpencerForbes:
If there’s sexual immorality, then definitely there’s sexual morality (opposite) and our preachers always divert from that.

So OP what’s sexual morality
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It is sex after lawful marriage and during marriage.

RollinTNDA:
Christians think more about Sex than the regular person

Sex killed even more than wars.

ozowarac:
But sexual feelings are good and natural.

So is killing and stealing,

budaatum:
Why is being stagnant in one place your virtue?

Are you an immovable object?

Now, it's ad hominem fallacy..

Kukuntete23

So what law is Bashir using to say he has rights against US?

"You are free to oppose Sharia in your own country, but you have no jurisdiction to dictate the laws of ours. We will defend our sovereignty and our right to determine our own legal and affairs."

Which law is he using against US? And which law is US using against Nigerian Christian murderers?

Kukutente23:
I still find fault in them as you intend ti apply them
Remember I told you in the beginning that human rights do not have universal application. They do not hold through for all of human existence and interaction. They are actually obtained from Christian edicts and form the basis of a democratic and free society. I'm sure you know that Christianity is not as old as man

Are you that dense? In which part of the world do the people not clamour for human rights?

Church never even think am but you don dey say church.

tctrills:
God did not create man because He is in need of praise singers. You create a picture of a very insecure God.
God has a much higher purpose for man. We are not here because of God's craving for praise.

Correcte

I dash you d 12 characters

DeepSight:
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When it is said that human rights are -
1. Inalienable and
2. Fundamental'

What is your understanding of these two words as applied.

Pride.
Its a sin. The first sin.

He does not understand liberty or he pretends not to, therefore he cannot know what inalienable means. He does not know anything only bits and pieces. Never met anyone with patch patch education.

budaatum:
Can you not read, or is it that you just can not understand what you read?

First Adam was employed as a naked ignorant gardener. Eve was dissatisfied with his pay. She encouraged Adam to take more pay. Then God terminated his employment.

What termination was given him already when?

Now you have moved post to Eve not being disatisfied with his pay that was not there. Syk word definitely missing its citizen.

Penguin2:
Why did God give you brains and logical abilities if you can’t use it to put 2 and 2 together?

It’s simple logic.

Because of the sin of Adam, every human born after Adam is corrupted by Original Sin.

But Jesus was without Original Sin.

Now, justify how Jesus Christ could have been without Original Sin if the woman that bore him had Original Sin.

How was Jesus’ humanity not corrupted by Mary’s impurity.

Bear in mind the biology of pregnancy and childbirth; the fact that the foetus survives for 9 months in the womb sustaining from whatever is passed to him through the bloodstream of the mother.

Your brain and logic would have told you this is an invalid argument (off point /change of Post) because you have changed the argument from Mary to Jesus.

But just to cast this rubbish aside even though it is invalid I will lightly address it.

First, humanity and foetus is from the corruption of sex, sperm and egg whereas Jesus bypassed this procedure and was implanted Holy and the first case of surrogacy.

So, Jesus is Holy and Mary is not because He bypassed the process of corruption while she did not as she was born of sex. So the difference is clear.

Kukutente23:
I did
Go back and read
You're not making any sense here I regret to inform you

The records show you never answered the question whether in 1960, the people of Benin were not citizens since they needed to wait till 1999 before they become citizens.

Kukutente23:
I already gave a valid response
You don't seem to follow my train is the problem here

No you did not.

So, clearly the records show that you refused to answer whether in 1960, the people of Benin were not citizens since they needed to wait till 1999 before they become citizens.

Kukutente23:
Have you given any definition of liberty?
You brought it into this discourse

Everyone here knows what liberty is and means and you see none opposes it only you, so, you need to show us your definition and understanding of liberty.

So give us your definition of liberty so that we can see whether it is one that says it is restricted only to your house borders or at best, your village border

Kukutente23:
I'm sure you can see the contradiction in your AI result

Which contradiction? Does t
Google not say Yoruba landed in Ile Ife and migrated to Oyo, Ijebu and co?

Kukutente23:
I expected you to know that a different set of laws governed territory Nigeria in 1960. What is required is for you to interrogate if the law then granted the people of Benin citizenship rights or not

That is not what I asked.

I asked for the 3rd time that in 1960, the people of Benin were not citizens since they needed to wait till 1999 before they become citizens abi?

Kukutente23:
No sir
You have not been reading or not been understanding
Let me state it in clear language
People do not carry out actions only because they have the right to
Remember I said "might is not right"
Migration has never been a right and will never be
That is why I asked you to quote the law or convention that makes migration a right and you've been sweating
You even erroneously quoted a Declaration of Independence that has clearly different context from migration to justify migration

All these is you saying that people do not have rights unless a written immigration laws exist.

Whereas I have been pointing out that since Abraham people have been exercising their rights of migration without any written law.

Kukutente23:
Where did Yoruba migrate too? And how did they recognise and exercise the right to migrate

AI Overview
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The Yoruba are believed to have migrated from the northeastern region of Africa and the East, settling in their present homeland in southwestern Nigeria more than a millennium ago. According to Yoruba oral tradition, their origin is in the city of Ile-Ife, founded by their legendary ancestor Oduduwa, who is said to have migrated from the East,

Expansion: From Ile-Ife, Oduduwa's descendants are said to have spread out, founding other Yoruba kingdoms such as Oyo, Ijebu, and others.

DeepSight:
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Well said.

Thank you

budaatum:
Of course Adam was employed before. See his employment contract below:

The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.

And see his pay:

And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

But know that being employed by someone is very different to being self employed, which is what Adam had to go do after God had fired him from his naked slavery job with the termination letter below.

By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken: for dust you are and to dust you will return.”

Come to think of it. That termination letter makes me think Adam was always intended to live for a limited time and then die, since "for dust you will return".

The fact that you recognise that a termination was given him already proves that your thinking is thrash.

Kukutente23:
Point of correction. Egba, Egun, Awori and Ijebu claim indigeneship of Lagos
Yoruba are not known to have migrated to Benin or Rivers. As for Warri, they founded the town with the permission of the indigenous Urhobo and not as a right

Go and argue that one with Google and others

AI Overview
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The Yoruba are believed to have migrated from the northeastern region of Africa and the Eas[/b]t, settling in their present homeland in southwestern Nigeria more than a millennium ago. [b]According to Yoruba oral tradition, their origin is in the city of Ile-Ife, [/b]founded by their legendary ancestor Oduduwa, who is said to have migrated from the East,

Expansion: From Ile-Ife, Oduduwa's descendants are said to have spread out, founding other Yoruba kingdoms such as Oyo, Ijebu, and others.

[b]The Egba migrated from the region of Orile Owu and the Egba Forest near present-day Ibadan, under the leadership of Sodeke, to escape the destruction of the Oyo Empire and constant warfare

zabimaru:
If you check the ops previous posts, you'll find a pattern. One of the most primitive forms of deception by the adversary, perversions of truth. Same technique that was used on Eve and she conceded. Same technique that was used on Jesus.

They are not complete lies, but perversions that are strategically crafted to guarantee destruction.

Of course no one can find genuine fulfillment on this earth without Jesus.
The riches, the influence, the wealth and other vanities cannot guarantee fulfilment. Only when one truly comes to Christ Jesus, with a contrite heart, no hidden motive, will the person find fulfillment. The first realization is being light weighted. Then there's a certain joy that is found in spending time worshipping.

Exactly!

Kukutente23:
Where did Yoruba migrate too? And how did they recognise and exercise the right to migrate

Did you not hear during the Lagos is no man's land fight that Lagos consists of Egba, Egun, Awori, Ijebu who SETTLED there? And that Yorubas migrated from Ile-Ife to everywhere including Benin, Warri, Rivers?

Kukutente23:
Even Romans had no rights except that which was granted them by the Emperor. Like I told you and Deepsight. The definition of rights is based on democratic philosophy. Even in a theocracy, there are no such things as rights except that which is granted by the Supreme. So the question still remains where you got the idea of a universal "right of migration" from

Yet, them Yoruba, Bini, Ibo, exercised rights of migration, ownership of property, engaged in contract, conducted marriages, settled succession and inheritance, prosecuted and judged criminals etc even when there was no democracy and as you ignorantly say, their was no rights.

Even the villages that formed Rome exercised these rights without even having an emperor.

Kukutente23:
So how do explain the killin of twins in Calabar and human sacrifice from time immemorial
How do you explain slavery within the contesct of your claim that "every reasonable man knows it"

Those fall under customs and traditions which are a creation of tyrants just like the legal laws and system you know. And just like the legal system, you can see that they are always territorial.

Whereas Natural Law is world wide hence in every nation natural law is applicable and I can raise it and rely on it

Kukutente23:
You first have to show where the Nigerian law operating in 1960 excluded them from citizenship

Fallacy of reversal of burden of proof.

It is you who i asked first, to answer the questions,
So, in 1960, the people of Benin were not citizens since they needed to wait till 1999 before they become citizens abi?

And you have been dodging it.

So, answer

Kukutente23:
You mean if you don't have the "rights to migrate" you get sent back to your land of origin?..

Is that not what you have been saying since when you say people do not have rights unless written laws exist?