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chimex38:
Yes.. Correct. I know you would reply in these manner.
But that's the closest reason I could relate from the Bible.
It's more of a human association.

So you see, here you were trying to use a square peg to fit a round hole but it could not work because it was not True.

Emusan:
It's evident you have no idea of what Original Sin means...

They know. it is this half -Truth part of their jujuism that is deceiving them.

Queen of angels,
pray for us.
Queen of patriarchs,
pray for us.
Queen of prophets,
pray for us.
Queen of apostles,
pray for us.
Queen of martyrs,
pray for us.
Queen of confessors,
pray for us.
Queen of virgins,
pray for us.
Queen of all saints,
pray for us.
Queen conceived without Original Sin,
pray for us.

chimex38:
..The point is:
Humans relate to God closely with previous humans who were seen as close to God as possible and almost guaranteed to have made heaven as well.
They create a form of associated or phrase to that effect to connect themselves to the Supreme Being( God)
Supreme Being sent Jesus as an ideal model, humans who fall short still associate with holy ones who came close to this ideal model both physically, and spiritually with biblical proof. Mary was one of them alongside apostles

Your example say "God of Abraham, Issac...
But are the Catholics saying God of Mary?
No!

So, you see, it does not correlate

chimex38:
Why I brought it up was to show its correlation to the question that it couldn't have been stated in the NT because the NT was limited in timeline post-Christ.
Nevertheless Rev12 strongly points to Mary as the woman and thus why she is honored by them at least. Unless probably you have a different interpretation.

I don't think Revelation 12 is talking about Mary for John was after the birth and resurrection of Jesus and by chapter 1, he said he was talking about things to come.

chimex38:
seems you are not just reading to understand, you seem not to be reading at all, yet you say you saw his response.
I never said we are not practicing the old law
I said practicing "AS IT IS"
Based on your reply, I even quoted my quote in bold letters as well as used quotation marks.
(I will do it a second time).

The "as it is" not the issue but to call out your wrong attempt to explain and counter the impropriety of worshipping dead Mary as it is improper to worship Moses. So, it is not the "as it is"

chimex38:
Ruth Ester and Naomi has been answered here.
Point to contents that show worship and I will rebuke them as well. They call it honor and Jesus and God are always at the centre of such activities.

Haven't you heard how they chant Mary like babalawos do when they are praying that babalawo bead called rosary?

Do you not see that they chant her praise 10 times in 3minutes, about 100 times a set in the prayers they manufactured for her?

Then, the very worst one is the "Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To you do we cry, poor banished children of Eve...

And then to finish it patapata we have the litany which starts with this

"Lord, have mercy on us.
Christ, have mercy on us.
Lord, have mercy on us.
Christ, hear us.
Christ, graciously hear us.
God the Father of Heaven,
Have mercy on us.
God the Son, Redeemer of the world,
Have mercy on us.
God the Holy Ghost,
Have mercy on us.
Holy Trinity, one God,
Have mercy on us.

See how short the above part which I think Christians would say is in order. Compare with the below

Holy Mary,
pray for us.
Holy Mother of God,
pray for us.
Holy Virgin of virgins,
pray for us.
Mother of Christ,
pray for us.
Mother of divine grace,
pray for us.
Mother most pure,
pray for us.
Mother most chaste,
pray for us.
Mother inviolate,
pray for us.
Mother undefiled,
pray for us.
amiable,
pray for us.
Mother most admirable,
pray for us.
Mother of good counsel,
pray for us.
Mother of our Creator,
pray for us.
Mother of our Savior,
pray for us.
Virgin most prudent,
pray for us.
Virgin most venerable,
pray for us.
Virgin most renowned,
pray for us.
Virgin most powerful,
pray for us.
Virgin most merciful,
pray for us.
Virgin most faithful,
pray for us.
Mirror of justice,
pray for us.
Seat of wisdom,
pray for us.
Cause of our joy,
pray for us.
Spiritual vessel,
pray for us.
Vessel of honor,
pray for us.
Singular vessel of devotion,
pray for us.
Mystical rose,
pray for us.
Tower of David,
pray for us.
Tower of ivory,
pray for us.
House of gold,
pray for us.
Ark of the Covenant,
pray for us.
Gate of Heaven,
pray for us.
Morning star,
pray for us.
Health of the sick,
pray for us.
Refuge of sinners,
pray for us.
Comforter of the afflicted,
pray for us.
Help of Christians,
pray for us.
Queen of angels,
pray for us.
Queen of patriarchs,
pray for us.
Queen of prophets,
pray for us.
Queen of apostles,
pray for us.
Queen of martyrs,
pray for us.
Queen of confessors,
pray for us.
Queen of virgins,
pray for us.
Queen of all saints,
pray for us.
Queen conceived without Original Sin,
pray for us.
Queen assumed into Heaven,
pray for us.
Queen of the most holy Rosary,
pray for us.
Queen of peace
,I am just even noting this one. Jesus is even Prince of peace, but they have made her Queen. Which means that she is greater even greater than Him, as she is greater than angels. Is this not idolatry and blasphemy? Judge for yourself

Gracefilled01:
Lol…They teach him to keep wallowing in sin that heaven is sure since there’s grace, God won’t mind if he sins or not

The very same thing serpent told Eve

chimex38:
Yes.. You are correct, we as Christians still practice the old law in a way. But If you go through our discuss, he made a rhetoric comment that necessitated the reply in context.

@bolded
However, my comment was also specific in context: "as it is".

Yes I saw it and his response was accurate against your point which is why I also jumped in to point out your fall.

chimex38:
It's probably because we no longer practice the old law as it is.
So a typical Christian believe won't relate with "Moses".
Otherwise asking Moses to intercede won't also be a bad idea if one believes in Moses ways with supporting verses.
I see it as just being a longer-chain that still leads to Jesus.

You are still practicing the supposed old law, eg your temple configurations and priests robes, is it not trying to imitate the Levite priests? Or does your church not teach and uphold the 10 commandments?.

No one has escaped being under what you call old law.

chimex38:
..In your own view and personal relationship, if we can pray to God directly, why do we need to pray through Jesus?

Have you forgotten that Jesus is our God? So we are still praying directly to God.

So you see, you guys are still in wrong.

Jumbojax:
Accusations is how low you will go, a truthspeaker that can't handle the truth.

Is it not Bible we're talking here, why quoting philosophers, and how do you know you're not self-deceived

Just say you do not have any valid answer and that you are feeling guilty because I have truly spoken the Truth.

And this thread proves that I stated the relevant bible scripture and you cannot answer, so rest.

And even though the bold is a fallacy Tu quoque I am happy to point out that I am not self dee because since I know that God's words are the same yesterday, today and forever thereyI am always reading and re-reading and engaging people to see whether whatever position I hold is still right today, even it was right yesterday.

Which is why my signature says "There is no valid argument against the Truth".

chimex38:
I have replied here, that I was once doubtful, but the content of their prayers suggest otherwise. I respect it and don't condemn it especially as it serves as the centre of a female model young girls can model the link you quoted still depicts Jesus Christ as the centre of Faith.

There are many models for girls to follow eg Ruth, Esther, the woman in Proverbs 31 and none of them have been worshipped.

Secondly, the contents are already clear and to deceive people like you they bent it. It is no different from a hook up provider singing Christian music, then you would say she is holy and righteous? Please, this is invalid.

chimex38:
On the context of the semantics "To" and [b"Through"[/b]
It's like an Uncle(Religiousbody) who knows his nephew(christian member) gets all his needs and resources from his father(God). The nephew's mother(Mary) isn't capable on her own and the uncle knows it. Yet the uncle sends the nephew to go "to" his mother so she can persuade the father(God) on her son's behalf.
.......go to his mother in this sense is akin to "Novena to his mother.
The nephew will still have to pass through his mother to get to his father

Do you not see that you are talking like a drunk?
Can uncle not go directly to his brother, the Father of the nephew?
Or can the son not go to his father as Jesus did and we all do as it is even better that we go to our fathers directly than to involve uncle? So where uncle won come from?

Not to talk of how you have changed it from "to" 2 "to go" that was not there

Please, this is a rubbish reply.

chimex38:
The verse was after his death not during.
Loll.. You are certainly not used to being questioned, you are used to asking the questions to drive your premise.

Of course It must be after His murder and death as we can all see that they still did not get it until after The Holy Spirit came ai cleared it up for them to understand.

And no, I am not adverse to answering questions but I always remember that the question always has a basis and the basis is itself based on who is supposed to be proving the claim aka burden of proof..

So once a person admits that their claim is wrong then they can ask me their own questions and I will answer as best as I can.

chimex38:
I understand where you're coming from. Yes, to be fair it looks off point.
But my point is the NT didn't record in detail so many geneologies/generations after Christ died..
So if praying in Jesus name while he was alive is "off point" () until he died, and ascended,
So the point of seeking in the Bible where praying through Mary is stated is also "off point"( ) as there were people directly linked to Christ who were very much alive. until many generations after where direct-link to Jesus diminishes.

Now you are trying to shift post to raise issues that were not raised. No one mentioned genealogy after Christ died nor that praying to Jesus was alive or dead was wrong.

But the issue is about praying to Mary or as you tried changing it, praying through Mary, is wrong. And you tried defending it but your defence does not stand

Gracefilled01:
Lol…so much contradictions in your post! You acknowledged sinners will be cast into hell, but went ahead to say believers are exempted. Is unbelief the only sin you saw there in revelation?..

His church teaches him that God is partia

Jumbojax:
First of I am free grace not hypergrace. If you believe in Christ and you go steal in the market, they will burn you but you won't go to hell, cause Christ paid for the sin of stealing.

You are deceiving yourself or your church has deceived you.

There is no way you will not go to he..., for God is a Just Judge and not Partial. And there is no way that He would judge Canaan that He won't judge Isreal the same.

Jumbojax:
Second, 1 Corinthians 5 talks of church sanctification not individual sanctification, cause sin spreads fast in a group and the congregation should be protected from an individual like that.

Is this how you deceive yourself?

First, who is a church, is it not you?

Secondly, no where did Paul say church in chapter 5 but "you".

"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you" (no church here)

Thirdly, if church is a building can a church fornicate?

Or you saying that he said all of you in church are fornicating, hence church?

Stop deceiving yourself and do not let people deceive you

Of all forms of deception self-deception is the most deadly, and of all deceived persons the self-deceived are the least likely to discover the fraud. Aiden Wilson Tozer

The worst of all deceptions is self-deception. Plato

Jumbojax:
Yet Paul, struggled with sin till the very end of his life Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Revelations 21:8 and 22:15 are both correct those types of sinners are going to hell but the believer in Christ has a new identity before God...

You used the word "struggle with sin" which means that he fought and resisted sin. Which is why you do not see him secretly fornicating or adulterying or stealing or doing any unrighteousness. And it is in the doing of all these things that makes him a different person from the former person.

It is the change that Christ assures us WILL grant us a PARDON (thanks to Tinubu you now know what a pardon is). And the Pardon is the IN PUTTING of righteousness which you are not seeing is the fulfillment of Law in that you have done righteousness, therefore you get righteousness aka "Do unto others what you want done unto thee".

So there is no way that a drunkard, hook up patron, adulterer, thief can be a new person no matter how much he believes, if he is still the same drunkard, hook up patron, adulterer whom everybody knows.

Gracefilled01:
Not true. God’s grace is sufficient for anyone. The mistake is that we often think grace does all the work, no! We must participate in our salvation too, Philippians 2:12-13. While we already have our salvation through grace, it is now our responsibility to put that grace into work E.g. If visiting a certain place predisposes me to lust, I rather not go. Taking the decision to stay back is tough..,

Ehen! That is what I am saying and more for example we have to ignore and reject and cast away and corse all the briests, and divided bums we see everyday from our neighbours to the office, markets, churches etc just so that we do not continue in our former way of fornication and adultery.

Ourtruth247:
The purpose of existence
...This is why I keep on spreading this information. If the human race as a whole can collectively understand the truth, these beings would lose their control over us and be forced to flee.

So if all our a.i mannequins band together, we would lose control and run?

Men, your wiid is dope.

chimex38:
Praying through Mary not to Mary as I understand it.

This proves you are Lying

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chimex38:
Did the apostles pray to Jesus when he was Alive?

This is off point. However Mark 16:17 answers that they did as we later see them casting out demons in The Name of Jesus.

But as I said, this is off point and your attempt to be diversionary just proves that you already know that you people can never defend this sin.

Jumbojax:
Nope, not hypergrace, just free grace.
Departing from iniquity is a good thing, but the scriptures never said it is a must.
And those that Jesus were talking about in Matt 7:22-23 are those who point to their works( "repenting of sins, holiness, changed life e.t.c) but never did the will of the father ( trust in Christ).
Even the passage you quoted said Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we SHOULD live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Should is a volitional clause and is not synonymous with must. And the scriptures dont contradict itself. Cause Eph 2:8-9 says Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
NOT of WORKS, lest any man should boast.

So I pray also the Holy Spirit teach you the truth as well.

From grace to hypergrace. One day and falls prophet will come with superhypergrace.

Where is the should in 1 Corinthians 5 ?

7 "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,"

Or the clear words in Romans 1

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death...

Or 1 Corinthians 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is

No should here and no grace here. It is you who has got to do the work of fleeing and purging and refusal to commit any of these things. 1 Corinthians 6;9 has warned all saying "Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers...'

And also do not deceive others for you shall not be guiltless

Saturnalia:
If the Bible was inspired by God and written by Holy Men, then explain these contradictions:..!

Do you not see that newspapers and news stations report the same thing in different ways?

Even during an accident or in court people do not give the same report of the incident and nobody cares too much about the discrepancies but hold on to the substance of the report.

So your basis is invalid and this is just a case of giving a dog a bad name so as to hang it.

Gracefilled01:
If you’re caught up in sin, please ask God for grace to overcome. Even Apostle Paul says we can’t continue in sin that grace may abide. By saying that all you need is belief in Christ Jesus while you continue living in sin, it’s a great deception from hell.
.

Hope you know that the word in bold means that you got work to do in stopping the sinning?

Paul severally says that you are going to do the work of discontinuing sin eg 1 Corinthians 5 is in reference to this topic

7 "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,"

No grace here, only you doing the work. Therefore, grace is not enough.

SpencerForbes:
Have you heard of actions and consequences even physics calls it cause and effect. Seems I’m replying an ignoramus.

Okay dive. I prefer to hear from people that has something tangible than sentimental people🤧🤧🤧🤧
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When you were saying freewill, did you care about consequences aka effects? No

So, as I said,, your smartest words are your first posts after that your brain goes down to low battery recharge now

Penguin2:
Take it slowly; one step at a time.

1) Jesus Christ is God. Yes?

2) Jesus Christ was also fully hu(man) while on earth. Because only one of us could have saved all of us from the condemnation of Original Sin. Yes?

Now, you believe in the powers of God to breathe Jesus into Mary without the sperm of Joseph but you don’t believe in the power of the same God to purify the abode of Christ for 9 months?

Nlfpmod

The word purify means that she was filthy hence unholy

SpencerForbes:
I love your open mindedness. Not like Dtruthspeaker that lives on deceiving himself. Even God gave us free will. That’s what I wanted to listen to.

As I said it is always your first comment that is sensible.

So as God gave you freewill why have you not kukuma gone to CBN and tell them to give you any amount of money, instead of suffering doing content, since you have freewill?

SpencerForbes:
Which family, the ones that trains their girls to date rich men like Regina daniels mom and co

It’s better you stop quoting me because it seems you live in space.
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Is the bold moral? You see how you talk yanapata?

It's always your first comment that is sensible but when you are criticized, your response starts dropping to faeces.

Penguin2:
So Mary was not human and the process of development of the child does not involve anything from the woman/mother?

How do you say Mary is not human even after you know she was born by sex, sperm and egg as I said?

Putting that aside, your issue is unholy Mary birthing a Holy Jesus, and this is where I remind you that it is in and with God that water comes out from Rock and that wood sinks and a brass hammer head floats and the whole of Egypt put in all darkness whereas Goshen had light.

So, also it is not out of place for unholy Mary to birth Holy Jesus most especially as the unholiness process of sex, sperm and egg was bypassed.

So, no issue here. God bypassed the process of unholiness and this therefore maintained Jesus's Natural Holiness while keeping Mary in her natural corrupted man'ness as she was born of sex, sperm and egg. Therefore both are different.

Hypnotise:
The privileged 10% like us don’t have any scar

Na now I understand. Na una wey we dey hear my husband/wife is lazy. I bin dey wonder where dem come from. Na now I understand

BuddhaPalm:
This girls doesn't treat you with respect.

Are you a the bolt driver or a security guard that you have to stay awake?

You have already sent her N15k - which I assume is more than generous to cover her fare.

You must have set the precedent of folding and begging in the past for her to go this far.

This is a good opportunity for you to regain power in your relationship, or to end one where you no longer wear the pants.

Call her bluff.

I pity people who know her.

Qualityoffer:
My bible tells me in Proverbs 12:15 - The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.

My point is, stop disgracing yourself.

Na woman she be so she must protect her sister

SpencerForbes:
Nice. But if we keep breaking up because of one mistake or one argument without communication, Do you think we’ll have a stable dating environment?

What’s the purpose of relationship if every little mistake is met with “break up”?

I think with the way we’re going it will be really hard for men to manage any family setting.
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Ah! Fornication still dey move dis one.

Continue.

You will learn why men are saying that it is better to be alone than to be with a woman.

Namaster:
...The fact that she expects you to be panicking, pacing up and down and BLASTING her phone with calls until she steps foot into the door is MADNES...

Spot on.

Clear proof of man pullingnation

tete7000:
You have spoken the truth from an infallible point of view. However, people can choose to believe what suits them. At the end of the day, everyone advertently or inadvertently pay the price for his/her choices.

My brother that is the koko of the matter