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Truth never damages a cause that is just."

"It is better to be hated for telling the truth than to be loved for telling a lie." Adrian Rogers.

It is now clear that indeed the Word of God has come to pass as we can all see that under the disguise of social control, now words of Truth and declarations of Truth have been seriously curtailed, impeded and Truth Speakers are almost at the point of gagging.

No one can wholly and confidently speak the whole undiluted and pure Truth anymore because some people are pained and angry by it.

But, remember before you recover from sickness, you most times go through the pain of injections. And many with life ending diseases go through the pain of surgery just so that they can live. And because of these everyone hates fake injections and medicines

So also is Truth, the sharp, pure and undiluted Truth necessary for the saving of our non physical body called souls.

After all these she will still hope not to go to the place bobrisky and co will go.

Another manipulation

Kdon2:
So why are you agitated when I say He doesn't care. Why attacking me. Leave God with his business while you face yours. Don't do God's duty for him.

Since you understand why He ought not to care then why attack Him? Why did you not face your own business and do your own duty?

jesusjnr2020:
Catholic Pope Who Rejected Same-Sex Marriage Also Rejects Mary As Co-Redeeme..

Don't say co redeemer; say equal.

Actually, they even raised her up to be a lhigher than Jesus. They Equaled her to The Father.

And you know they call her queen of heaven.

Catholic Answers
https://www.catholic.com
Why Is Mary Called Queen of Heaven?

See part of the prayers they created for her

Holy Mary,
pray for us.
[b]Holy Mother of God,
Mother of Christ,
pray for us.
Mother of divine grace,
pray for us.
Mother most pure,
pray for us.
Mother most chaste,
pray for us.
Mother inviolate,
pray for us.
Mother undefiled,
pray for us.
Mother of good counsel,
pray for us.
Mother of our Creator,
pray for us.
Mother of our Savior,
pray for us.
Virgin most venerable,
pray for us.
Virgin most renowned,
pray for us.
Virgin most powerful,
pray for us.
Virgin most merciful,
pray for us.
Virgin most faithful,
pray for us.
Mirror of justice,
pray for us.
Seat of wisdom,
pray for us.
Cause of our joy,
pray for us.
Spiritual vessel,
pray for us.
Vessel of honor,
pray for us.
Singular vessel of devotion,
pray for us.
Mystical rose,
pray for us.
Tower of David,
pray for us.
Tower of ivory,
pray for us.
House of gold,
pray for us.
Ark of the Covenant,
pray for us.
Gate of Heaven,
pray for us.
Morning star,
pray for us.
Health of the sick,
pray for us.
Refuge of sinners,
pray for us.
Comforter of the afflicted,
pray for us.
Help of Christians,
pray for us.
Queen of angels,
pray for us.
Queen of patriarchs,
pray for us.
Queen of prophets,
pray for us.
Queen of apostles,
pray for us.
Queen of martyrs,
pray for us.
Queen of confessors,
pray for us.
Queen of virgins,
pray for us.
Queen of all saints,
pray for us.
Queen conceived without Original Sin,
pray for us.
Queen assumed into Heaven,
pray for us.
Queen of the most holy Rosary,

That is why you would even hear Mary, Mary, Mary almost no Jesus.

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See it. Ned's brother has still declared it.

https://www.nairaland.com/8558058/chuks-nwoko-blasts-brother-ned#137418701

“You always flaunt your law degree on social media, but you sound to me like an illiterate. If you truly understand the law, then you should know about natural laws — the law of sowing and reaping, just like the law of gravity.

Kdon2:
God is actually not useless, the word to use is he doesn't care☹️

Does man care for himself? Did God not forewarn man all these things would happen if they continued behaving as they do? So now that you people are shouting why should He care?

Goo0dHardDick:
That's clearly Idol worshipping. I don't take catholic and some Pentecostal churches serious. I'm not a fan of religion anyway

That's what everyone has been telling them just like this poop one of saying that Mary is the saviour.

Goo0dHardDick:
I wonder why catholic pray to Mary to intercede for them and forgive them their sins when they can directly pray to Jesus Christ who died for the world.

It's a good thing this pope clearly understood this

They don't just pray to her, they worship her. They have even built shrines for her where they worship her specially

safarifarms:
Is the Pope your God? The Catholic church through the leadership of their pope makes a change and you mention God. How has that got to do with God who in his word has always never in support for their wrong doctrine?

He's a saytaneest (atheist) so he has to attack God

Lucifyre:
Christianity and confusion are two peas in a pod, so much for "god is not an author of confusion."

Is it not people who do confusion?

Celestialsword:
Is this not cheer hypocrisy,has they pulled down the image of Mary they all are still blowing to

One by one na. Small small dem fit fall into place

AntiChristian:
No be the church suppose represent God?

Even the church God established that is the Levites, them too got corrupted and failed. So now, every wise person knows to go directly to God.

RealityKings1:
What if everything you have been told about the devil is a lie? After all, all you know about the devil is an accusation of what he had done.
What if that was a half truth?

Hasn't the accusation being proven True?

Or do you deny that you have never done a bad thing which you never intended doing? Especially the normal ones are those ones we had fore planned on doing like fornication and adultery. As we have even seen here, even before people fornicate, they already plan to do so.

But their are many times that we never planned to sin yet we were moved to sin, so who did the moving?

otipoju:
Man is his own Devil.

My father taught me this right from childhood. I always take full responsibility for ALL my actions.

Even if you hurt me, na me cause am. Because I caused it I can take redemptive action. Wether na social distancing or na revenge.

Is it man who made himself a devil?

No

Did God create man a devil?

No.

So, where did devil come from?

Genesis 3 shows us how and what happened.

However, where you are starting from is in recognition of the fact that now we are all born with the evil inside us.

Kalatium:
Many people are still trapped in this old religious myth of earlier centuries, that the devil is a horned creature living somewhere underground, waiting to tempt people into sin. That’s the biggest lie ever sold.

Let’s be honest, the devil is not a being, it’s a behavior.

Lucifer wasn’t created evil. He was an archangel, full of light and power. What changed him? A thought. Pride. Rebellion. Self-exaltation. The moment he activated that negative idea against divine order, he became the first devil...

Devil means the - evil!

Secondly, you forget that he is a spirit and as dreams have shown, spirits are capable of merging and entering bodies.

And this is where we see why the serpent, clearly Satan in the body of the serpent made female Adam eat the fruit.

For what did the fruit contain again?

Answer: him, the evil.

So, now and had eaten him and made sure male Adam ate him also, before they gave birth, we the seeds and children of theirs have him naturally in us.

And that is why we easily do bad things and evil things. And in these things we see that it was he inside us who moved us to do them. Which is why when he has finished moving us and have done his will, then he leaves us alone and then we are shocked and accused of doing the evil meanwhile we are wondering when and how and why we did it. And it is in that real eyesation that you will hear the confession "it's the devil".

Same way he also moves others to make sure everyone is doing evil to each other.

Christianity is just trying to make us aware of what is going on in and around us to that we can take the necessary steps to beat him

btoks:
You don't quite get it as you're still approaching the christian faith from a 2025 mindset. You and the other poster advDNA have alluded to the Catholic church not letting people read or having to read within church tradition or mystery as you put it and my responses have been to let you know how christianity was set and how Jesus intended the faithto be passed on. basically the faith could not have been built on each person's private interpretation 2000 years later as most couldn't even read for 1500 years. Even where people could read they still needed church guidance(I previously gave the example of the ethiopian in Acts

You said people interpretations are subject to verification and confirmation , but where?

the bible didn't cfall out of the sky, there was aldres

If you research church fathers, you will see how they understood the faith. They did not treat doctrine as a set of private interpretation. They taught what they had received. Consider your own interpretations on topics like infant baptism, the eucharist as the actual body and blood of Christ, baptismal regeneration. Do your interpretations match up with what has been taught for centuries .

Nobody says people can't read the bible, the question is whether your interpretations match the faith that christians held for centuries

You don't need to let us know for can all see whatever is there to see and assess/reassess whatever you or anyone claims to see. And after due assessment, see all make our comments from there.

In all, in all, what we all are telling you is that you people swallow up everything your church tells you without proper and due scrutiny. I do know that it was a principle/law of your church that people should not question the church of which this even goes against the natural law of verifying any information we are given. Even the things we were taught/told in school we still took time to verify them. So how much the things of life and death where even the Bible asks us to test all information. Hence after all our own personal tests we submit it to public tests and verification to be further sure of our findings.

And that is why we all here are telling you the same thing which is that you guys are wrong and are doing wrong

btoks:
You talking as if the current widespread literacy rate has anything to do with how Jesus intended christians to understand the faith. For more than 1500 years fewer than 10% of the population could read. Yet you are adamant that Jesus set up a system where every person, most of whom couldn't read was meant to decide the full meaning of Scripture on their own.!That doesnt match history and it doesnt match the NT process of a church that teaches, safeguards the faith and settles disputes.

You're avoiding the basic fact that Jesus founded a church. If you claim to follow his model, can your own church be traced back to the one he established?

As you're using 21st century mindset to decide what bible teachings / interpretations are, how about a secular example,the Nigerian constitution. Even though most can access it easily and read these days, are you really saying each individual can decide to interpret as they see it? Talk less of a faith established 2000 years ago

You were the one who raised the issue of reading so your raising further issues on what Jesus intended makes no sense. As the bible is a representation of the records and Words of Jesus which is gleaned and obtained from reading which every literate individual can interpret of which whatever interpretation he obtains he usually presents it for scrutiny and confirmation or correction so as to get a re-education.

So, whatever anyone interpretes is always subject to verification of confirmation or correction. Which is why in this you and your group are being criticized and corrected

Why them no tell us the name of the man make we sef dey look for am?

Kukutente23:
You just gave an example that shows that natural law is not always in force.
We returned back to my stand. A law that needs acquiescence or acceptance before it can hold us no law at all!! It can't be a natural law. Laws of nature are respected and obeyed regardless of the proclivities of anyone

Good you noticed this and this means that all your laws and constitutions are no laws as they are all took the permission of your National Assembly and states assembly to be anything.

Meanwhile, The Law of stealing, murder, respect of rights of others, contract etc did not take anybody's permission to be in force.

So, even as we live in a world where people disobey even reasonable commands that are even for their own good and benefit, you still think this way?

Is it not unnatural to not put your hands in fire, yet some people have poured petrol on themselves and put fire on themselves, burning themselves up in disobedience.

And in all these, the natural law of fire still goes on and the majority of people obey it

btoks:
Please think, the majority could not read until relatively recently. How could each individual making their own conclusion about the bible could have been the way Jesus set things up! You are reading things through 21st century mindset. How about the christians in the 1st 1500years? What did Jesus say about the church he set up and to the apostles ( Sending helper, he who hears you hears me etc - please see entire NT context)

Even us in Nigeria could we read in 1901? But when we all could read, could we not still appreciate any period whether pre colonial period or pre Socratic period?

Or did you not hear that
The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more you learn, the more places you'll go." – Dr. Seuss

"To read is to voyage through time." – Carl Sagan

“A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies . . . The man who never reads lives only one.” -George R.R. Martin

Please, your argument no enter at all.

btoks:
Unfortunately, your erroneous adherence to sola scriptura doesn't let you understand howvthe church has worked for 2000 years. Even the bible that you currently reference had to be canonised by this same church you vilify. Where there are disagreements or unclear doctrines, the church comes in to clear things up just like it did on the judaizer issue in Acts 15.
There are so many teachings you take for granted now that had to be clarified by this same church centuries ago.
Try doing some research

This is off Point!

btoks:
By the way, try reading the document released by Vatican on the co reedemer matter. Co in this case and in historical use was meant as supporting the main person not equal to as modern ears might think. It's use has been discouraged in order not to create confusion.

The word "co" nearly always means equality eg Akintola Williams and Co.

Of which, you people have even made her greater than Jesus

Holy Mother of God, (Greater than Christ)
pray for us.
Holy Virgin of virgins,
pray for us.
Mother of Christ,
pray for us.
Mother of divine grace, (Equal to Christ)
pray for us.
Mother most pure,(Equal to Christ)
pray for us.
Mother most chaste,
pray for us.
Mother inviolate, (Equal to Christ) -
pray for us.
Mother undefiled, (Equal to Christ)
pray for us.
amiable,
pray for us.
Mother most admirable,
pray for us.
Mother of good counsel,
pray for us.
Mother of our Creator,
pray for us.
Mother of our Savior,
pray for us.
Virgin most prudent,
pray for us.
Virgin most venerable,
pray for us.
Virgin most renowned,
pray for us.
Virgin most powerful,
pray for us.
Virgin most merciful,
pray for us.
Virgin most faithful,
pray for us.
Mirror of justice,
pray for us.
Seat of wisdom, (Equal)
pray for us.
Cause of our joy, (Equal)
pray for us.
Spiritual vessel,
pray for us.
Vessel of honor,
pray for us.
Singular vessel of devotion, {Equal)
pray for us.
Mystical rose,
pray for us.
Tower of David, (Equal)
pray for us.
Tower of ivory,
pray for us.
House of gold,
pray for us.
Ark of the Covenant, (Equal)
pray for us.
Gate of Heaven,
pray for us.
Morning star, (Equal)
pray for us.
Health of the sick,
pray for us.
Refuge of sinners,
pray for us.
Comforter of the afflicted,
pray for us.
Help of Christians,
pray for us.
Queen of angels,
pray for us.
Queen of patriarchs,
pray for us.
Queen of prophets,
pray for us.
Queen of apostles,

You people are sitting right in the middle of violation

advanceDNA:
Lol......Their pope just release new update different from the previous pope....

btoks how far......if I told u yesterday that the bible said that Jesus is the only redeemer and Mary nothing to do with it......u will say my interpretation is false.....
..ur pope has release update that the whole christian knew since 2000 years ago except you Catholics
..... Y'all have been claiming Mary is co redeemer.....very soon y'all will soon start saying Mary is greater than God ....

Like jw do!

Kukutente23:
Regina has agreed to return to her husband
What does that say to the effectiveness of all you wrote above

Is it not her right to do so?

The law that says that no one has a right to take your property without your consent, yet you give police your roger so that they don't disturb your trip, does that mean that the law is not effective?

Kukutente23:
So do you intend to promulgate Natural laws based on your own understanding without testing its universality?
I still insist that Natural laws that see not universal cannot be called natural laws

Is Natural Law my own that I should promulgate it? I already proved in the other thread that Natural Law is always in force everywhere, even if pretend not to see it.

btoks:
It's the year 360AD, majority of the population cannot read, you have never heard Revelations or Hebrews read as some places hadn't even received them due to disputes. Please tell me exactly these people were meant to have learnt about God's teachings. Do you really think everyone carried a bible about up to 400 years ago? In this context, do you really think Jesus would have established sola scriptura?

The church is what he set up to go out teaching and as the pillar and bulwark of truth and the power to bind and lose. Please read about the Ethiopian in Acts 8:26-31 and what he said about understanding scripture and needing a guide!

Are you still in the era when you cannot read? In church and crk were we not taught many things that we thought was in the bible only to later read the Bible to see that it was not there and vice versa?

Or in school were we not taught that the constitution is the highest law in the land only for me to grow up reading more to see that the constitution is itself unlawful and that Natural Law is the highest Law in the world?

Please, your argument holds no air.

advanceDNA:
They dont even allow them read cos he clearly said they are not meant to understand it on their own...
...if the Pope tells them "thou shall not kill" interpretes a "thou shall not eat" ......that's final....

Yeah! Under the magic word called "mystery". And when they say that word I always ask them that mystery did not stop them from discovering how lightening and thunder play in the sky instead of staying in the mystery that it was the gods coughing and moving

Kukutente23:
Has Ned obeyed?

Do you not see that the Law is not waiting for him to obey?

It is only Natural Law that upholds that statement on Nigerian Bar Association logo that says ubi jus ibi remedium - "where there is a right, there is a remedy".

Which I think should be "ubi errorem ibi remedium"- "where there is a wrong, there is a remedy".

So,, here we see that Natural Law respects that it is Neds right not to collect the bride price, but that there must be a remedy. And Natural Law has provided that the remedy is that they drop the bride price in a place that he can collect it. End of story. Justice served.

Meanwhile you can see how your legal breaks law for why would the police arrest Regina's brother over a marital issue?

Now, reports are saying that he is going to arrest the mother on Monday, meanwhile we can see that nobody can get the boy released even when he has not committed a crime and neither has he been charged to court as your constitution said must be done.

So do you see that injustice and wickedness comes from your so called positive law?