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gotnel:
I will advise that our people should open their minds to learn new things about the world we are living in. ..

Exactly what sahtan said to Eve and then they suffered, died and more

Deepspirituals:
Unlike other Messengers of God's Word ,Did Jesus Christ Killed Anyone While Preaching and Spreading the Gospel ?

Anything like Holy War , Climbing horses ,Armed with Swords with His Armies to Murder People to Accept his faith ?

I need Answer by Scholars ?

You already know that this never happened, so why are you trying to look for trouble?

Ourtruth247:
Feel free to leave the thread if you don't care about the information I am sharing. I'm not forcing you to stay

The thread is clearly targeted at Christians and it is blasphemous, so, I will be here to keep pointing out that you have said all these before and that the only thing any shallow and unfounded Christian is ivul, sin a person who shall become an enemy of God.

So, from the face of it, you are being an agent of sathan and it will be good for every Christian to leave you.

You can take it to the Muslim section maybe they would thank you for your efforts

Ourtruth247:
Intentionality in creation

There is an intentional intelligence that governs life on earth. I have some experience with coding and programming languages and the DNA seems like as a source code with specific instructions on how an animal should behave as well as it's physical characteristics.

...Atheists believe that this is a result of evolution and natural selection. Christians see it as an act of God. Again, Christians are closer to the truth.

An intelligence created life on earth, but this intelligence isn't a single person. It's a group of advanced intelligences. They already knew how to build a nest and just coded the birds to be able to build the nest, just like a video game developer codes the video game world to mirror things humans know how to do...

This is where you are selling what you usually sell in romance section.

People have seen it but it is completely wrong to even stoop to blasphemy just because of clout.

Ourtruth247:
The earth is an animal farm

I mean this in a literal sense and not in relation to the popular novel by George Orwell...

All these are still disconnected from the topic.

Clearly, you are just trying to sell all the unusable things you peddle in romance section which people are not interested in, so you decided to even stoop to blasphemy and infuriation of Christians just to get attention to do I.vul

Ourtruth247:
Calm down and be patient. Like I said in the previous post, I share information in bits and pieces. I have only just started.

If I post everything in one post not only will it be too long, it will be very confusing. I like to present information in a way that everyone reading will understand.

I understand however, as you yourself already foreknow, your premise is already wrong and offensive so, there is no way that your conclusion will not be wrong. Even the steps towards your conclusion will also be wrong. And that is what I am pointing out.

Nowayback10:
Relax and listen. Dont be quick to point out what you dont know. The thread is just starting. Most of you think you know the answerto everything meanwhile you dont even understandthe question.

Nnayi, there is no way that you want to talk about going to Onitsha from Lagos and then you mention mile 2-seme border and that those who know road will not say that he is wrong already

Ourtruth247:
The unending search for happiness, peace and meaning

It is a well documented fact that suicide rates are higher among the wealthy. But why is that? ..

You have changed and deviated from your own post.

You said you were going to point out why people are going to hate their God/god but you have departed from it

I believe that if you truly have any grounded basis you could make it without relying on peoples weaknesses and fault.

So,, this is you trying to use emotional blackmail and appeal to oppress others into getting them to blindly and unreasonably accept your presentation.

So, you see you are no different from the oppressors you talked about earlier as you are using the tool of education and emotional blackmail to get them to your own will too.

So you see, you point a finger at others and even your own fingers point right back at you

Ourtruth247:
[b] Fear ...However, a lot people didn’t leave the thread just because I was challenging their religion, but because they are afraid to question the authority of the god they worship.

Fear is the most effective means of creating submission. It’s a tool used by oppressors to suppress dissent and keep the enslaved in a state of perpetual bondage. This is a very important point to note as we proceed...

Since you observe that fear is a tool used by oppressors to suppress dissent then you ought to know that those who do these are those who are like coupist and mutineers and people who stole rule and are trying to take power to make themselves. And these have to forcefully over press (o'press) others to get them to comply.

Meanwhile, all of us are classmates, so it is like one classmate trying to impose his will over his fellow classmates: it would not be easy hence the need for over pression (o'pression)

However, those who have lawful rule do not need oppress others eg parents to their children, creator to creations etc. Natural life and living is the Ruler of all and this is where God, Whom Christians serve is exempted from your presentation

Rubbish excuse.

AngelahFlo:
This is deep and like I said earlier, it's a catch 22 scenario. Jesus himself didn't give the Pharisees a clear answer in the account of Mark 10:1-12 but His words to His disciples was a divorcee shouldn't marry as that would be Adultery.
If we should go by what the Lord Jesus says then two things are to be adhered to:
1 Married couples should do all they can to make their marriage work
2. Avoid Divorce at all cost and if they do Divorce; to stay off marriage altogether.
Like i said it's a catch 22. Thanks for your contribution. I await the input of a lawyer especially a Christian Lawyer on this dicey issue.

I'm a Lawyer and I have pointed out that the Laws of marriage even start from pre marriage which is where The Law against fornication comes in.

And it is based on this that I was able to explain and prove why the forbidden fruit is sex for Adam male and female were punished for fornication aka sex before marriage.

https://www.nairaland.com/7947204/truly-forbidden-fruit-sex#127583663

https://www.nairaland.com/8179397/fornication-first-sin

All these Laws and effects are already at play even before marriage is done

Penguin2:
Oga, did you say Mary is not holy or not?

No where in the bible is she called holy.

Penguin2:
First, there’s nothing like Fallacy of Change of Post.

Second, the instance I gave you does not in any shape or form deviate from the topic of discourse because we are talking about Mary’s holiness.

So, don’t dodge the question and answer me.

There are several fallacies that involve changing or ignoring the topic of an argument. These fallacies include:
Irrelevant Conclusion (or Ignoratio Elenchi): The broader, formal name for missing the point.

Red Herring: The deliberate attempt to change the subject.
Moving the Goalposts:.

And your response is a departure from post as I even explained that the issue is not about Jesus Christ, original sin and breast milk. So you have deviated from the issue and therefore you people have no justification for your actions.

In other words any real or flimsy reason is a basis of invalidation now that they have achieved their mission of corrupting the whole world with fornications, adulteries, immorality, God hatefulness, sin lovingness and have now made nations to be enemies of God, now they are shutting their doors and throwing out those same people that they have finished corrupting.

AngelahFlo:
Good evening guys
Hope your day went well. I have this very dicey more or less a Catch 22 question about the subject of divorce.

Mark 10:1-12 narrates an event in which dome Pharisees hoping to trap Jesus asked him a question based on Divorce. Jesus'answer to them was also kinda confusing. His response was that Moses gave the condition for divorce because of the Hardness of the heart between the people involved and that it wasn't God's original plan for married couples who are now one to separate.

Later the Disciples asked Him the same question again for clarity. His response is the "bone" that must be contended with. The answer Jesus gave was anyone who marries a divorcee has committed the sin of Adultery.

What I'm curious to know is does it mean that a divorcee cannot remarry after he or she had divorced their spouse?

I'll be very happy and appreciate it if a Lawyer comments on this post. I don't know of anyone or I'd have called their attention to this post. A Christian Lawyer will be most welcome because he or she will answer this question from the angle of the Word of God.

Thanks I and the people who'll read this post await your wise response.

Your question is a little confusing and I do not have clear way of handling it.

However, there are many things that go on with marriage and before marriage and in is quite an intricate web which catches wrongdoers in different and dynamic punishing ways

And the number 1 is that couples who do not obey God and flee fornication, get punished in many ways if and when they marry.

https://www.nairaland.com/8080384/polygamy-gods-punishment-fornication-deut#129757291

And since bad marriage is a punishment for fornication, a person who seeks to escape punishment by divorce is prima facie guilty of a worser crime of adultery.

So can a divorcee remarry? Only if he broke no Law.

Expensive995:
If I may ask, why are you angry? I realize most Christians just get hot headed when in the middle of religious matters and that only happens when they can’t denounce a fact. Instead of getting angry or saying unnecessary things you can go back to the Bible and read, even better it has already been translated to English for you guys to understand better but lack of personal knowledge kills most of you. You all wait for your pastors to read and relate to you instead of getting knowledge yourself. I wonder how most of you passed in schools cause why on earth will the Bible say Jesus is the son of GOD and you guys would say Jesus is GOD him self, mixing everything up and getting it all complicated

You people r hluhn attics. In your guilt of guiltism you people now try to hang it on the bible even when you do not find any place to hang it, yet you say we should not be angry.

Carry your own sins.

hmohammed:
Even Mary, got married early. How come no one ever mentioned these facts??

Because it did not happen.

Truths9ja:
hardly will you see a virgin lady making life miserable for her husband. It's very rare

Please don't deceive yourself. Virgin na woman and unless she truly fears and understands, she is the same as every other woman.

When God wants to destroy a person

Penguin2:
Jesus Christ was both Man and God because he had flesh, lived with men, ate the foods they ate, had feelings also, etc.

The only thing different between Jesus and the rest of men is that he had no Original Sin.

Now, justify how it was possible for Jesus Christ to have been born without Original Sin if the womb that carried her for 9 months and whose breast milk He suckled had Original Sin.

Fallacy of Change of Post! The issue is not about Jesus Christ, original sin and breast milk .

So you see, you people have no justification for your actions

Penguin2:
Can you tell us how Angel Gabriel greeted Mary as recorded in Luke 1:26-28?

Do you not know that hail is the greeting hello or hail oo as Nigerians would say?

And the follow up sentence of full of grace, is it not exactly what we say in "better woman wey God love and God dey with".

Is this not the same greeting we greet people who are well behaved?

No where did the angel call her holy (where even Jesus Said no one is holy, yet you people have holified Mary) or queen or a person who gives life and sweetness and hope.

"Hail holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, hail our life, our sweetness, and our hope"

The angels salutation is very clear and understandable and within normal limits as we do the same to people who are better than us that is the people who we call goody goody and God fearing people. But none of these were worshipped.

I pray this world ends before Nigerians are made homeless.

Apparently, the kings plans on making Nigeria Abu Dhabi while throwing the poor into bush and desert and sea

Ezyp:
Bro no offense again but it seems you can't comprehend simple sentences I wrote and it's boring.

If you say Catholics worship Mary then no problem. It's okay. We know what we are doing and we like am like that. If you have a problem with that, then that's your problem to deal with.

Even after I have clearly informed you Catholics don't but you've chosen to think otherwise, then that's fine. I won't waste your time and mine.

But if you look deeply into the Hail Holy Queen prayer you brought, you will see we are not worshipping Mary. Oh I forgot, you probably can't comprehend the prayer. You can ask chatgpt to break it down for you

That prayer is purely an intersection prayer. You just keep bringing baseless points and it's boring.

You have fired the shots you want to fire and I know you still want to fire more but you are trying to hold yourself and I thank you for it

However, the issue is settled for action speaks louder than words and the whole world has seen both your actions and words.

So carry on with your traditions we all would see how God would judge it.

Ezyp:
Okay ... But to clarify, I never in my previous message agreed that Catholics pray to Mary. Catholics don't. They only ask her to pray for us. It is clearly said in the rosary.

You don't have to say "I admit" before an admission is made exactly how you catch your girlfriend when she went out with another guy and she tried denying it.

And like your cheating girlfriend, your denying it just makes it worse as your "novena prayer to mary" proves that you are Lying.

Ezyp:
In my statement I used the word IF since you were trying to mis-interprete what Catholics do. Please read to understand and not argue.

The "if" was completely irrelevant as we all know that people ask other people to pray to pray for them. So nothing here.

Ezyp:
You wrote that Catholics pray to dead Mary. Just to clarify, you wrong in that statement. She is not a dead person. Can you really prove it?

Another off point argument. But I could raise a thread on it just to see how you would hold.

Ezyp:
Your excuse is that since so many people critize the Catholics so it is valid that what the Catholics do is wrong and since less or no one critize the pentecostals, they what the pentecostals are doing is right.This your statement shows you are matured for this kind of discussion (please no offense here).

No where did I say that and you got the point was that like Muslims are recognised and called out by the world for terrorism, so also are you Catholics recognised and called out for your idolatry of Mary.

So thrash the emotional blackmail.

Ezyp:
During the crucifixion of Jesus, almost everyone was against him. Does that mean that what he was doing was wrong since majority were against him?

Since back then till tomorrow did anyone accuse Jesus of doing wrong? No.

You yourself know that this makes no sense. And besides this is Off Point, so leave it.

Ezyp:
Catholics don't pray to Mary. Please understand this. Catholics pray to God the father in heaven.

Just for your information, Catholics view Mary as a faithful servant of God who played a crucial role in salvation history. They honor her as the Mother of God and a model of faith and obedience, but they do not worship her; worship is reserved for God alone.

Your rosary prayers chantings and your "Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, hail our life, our sweetness, and our hope" and the rest, prove you are worshipping her exactly how the Romans worshipped the idol Juno.

Penguin2:
No Catholic prays the Hail Mary in the way you described it.

You think people do not see nor know about the 100 chants of hall Mary's you recite just like ifa priests do during Easter as you people chant through the 4 sets of supposed mysteries which your priests say you should do every day and we all know Catholics who chant them from time to time? Please, man, this is not even the issue.

Penguin2:
And tell me what’s wrong in ‘honouring’(not worshiping) the woman who bore the messiah?

If God chose her out of all possible virgins He could have chosen from, do you not think she’s special and have a special place?

No need to repeat yourself for I just pointed out that your "Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, hail our life, our sweetness, and our hope" and the rest, is proof of worship.

The angel did not even greet her like this meanwhile it is exactly the same one the Romans gave to their gods.

So, here we see that they have chosen Mary and made her a god just like June aka Juno and the they have made you people to worship Mary as a god just like they did to Juno.

You don't even have this kind of worship for the disciples, so clearly you people are guilty of worshipping Mary and turning her into a demigod

Ezyp:
But pentecostals can ask their pastor to pray for them? I am confused here.

If you can ask/run to your pastor to pray for you, does than mean you pray to your pastor? If that's the case then why critize Catholics for doing same?

Your next argument would probably be she is dead and gone but the pastor is still alive on earth (well.....let's leave that for another topic to discuss).

Please sir, kindly clear my confusion. Thanks.

First, this is a Tu quoque fallacy..

Secondly, this means that you admit the issue that you guys are guilty of praying to Mary but that the Pentecostals are guilty of it also which is not the issue.

However, no one accuses the Pentecostals of doing it because it is within unnoticeable limits most especially as they mostly do so to a living person as you said.

But, you people pray chanting excessively to a dead person just like ifa pagans do and everywhere in the whole world, you people are accused of it.

Penguin2:
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1) The Apostles didn’t pray Rosary to Mary.

Answer:
Mary lived with the Apostles, so, why did they need to pray to her when she was living and communing with them?

Maybe the Protestants should educate us where Mary was ever disrespected by the Apostles or called an envelope like their theology teaches.

It is not hail Mary full of grace that is offence but the "Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, hail our life, our sweetness, and our hope" and the rest.

The angel did not even greet her like this.

But this declaration is definitely excessively too much and it is definitely the kind fitting for a demigod. And it is exactly the same one the Romans gave to their gods.

And the Romans are known for paganism and for pursuing gods to acquire them.

So, here we see that they have chosen Mary and made her a god just like June aka Juno

So the Romans have made you people to worship Mary as a god. (Idolatry)

You don't even have this kind of worship for the disciples upon whom and through whom Jesus reestablished His Rule.

GenFunction:
Catholics don't pray to Mary.
Catholics don't pray to the dead,they pray so that God forgives dem their sins etc.

Pls I no wan talk about Pentecostal churches because una dey give Christians bad name.

So when you chant your Rosary wey be like juju are you not praying to Mary to pray for you?

Rebuke:
Thank God yhu said in yhur own opinion.....

Mark 3:25 (KJV).

“And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.”

Sin and offence divides a house unless they are unified in sin