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MeetDx:
It's just to serve as a witness that you were told to choose life but God already knows the end from the beginning. Why do you think God hardened Pharaoh's heart to do his will? Exodus 7:3-4 and 9:13? Even the new testament teaches the same thing... Read 2 Thessalonians 2:11

He will send them a strong delusion to believe a lie.

Do you tell your car or phone or mannequin that it should not walk into fire?

You even tell animals aka pets, and you see them obey and disobey, is it now human beings?

If it were so then why do you punish your children for stealing and other wrong doings?

And can you count how many times you have screamed on them to do the right thing?

Please stop deceiving yourself.

Who does not know that the end of a thief is disgrace, prison or death?

And on Pharoah how many times have you said "I will deal with you even if you say sorry? If sorry would stop you, would you allow the person to say sorry? And of course, did Pharoah hear sorry and abeg when he was making Isreal cry blood?

This is where you see that Truly God Honours His Law and an eye will be for an eye which the new testament still warned you saying a good tree beareth a good fruit.

DMCY:
Yes but still why the hatred and shame towards Esau and Judas ?

That is why you should look very deep to find it.

Esau's own is that God raised up 2 Nations, and if you remember The Law is 2 is better than 1/testimony of 2 witnesses. But now Esau reduced it to 1 and now, we have those Sat's children creating doubts.

Then, for Judas, he partook and orchestrated in the murder of God, how would it not be over terrible for this 2?

HeadBoy9:
That's a good way to look at it.

Though I believe someone else would've betrayed Christ if Judas didn't. Didn't necessarily have to be him.

The way Samson ended his career was not anywhere stated in his destined manifesto yet it was what it was. He ended outside divine plan...

Exactly

HeadBoy9:
My position is clear on that. Just supplying an alternative way of saying the same thing I rejected.

Any argument you see me put up that seems to be in its favor is merely exploratory and meant to, at the end, reveal the implausiblity of divinely fixed outcomes.

Ok.

I see some destiny/preordained people talking here. Let me go and put them in order

MeetDx:
The Lord decares the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10), there is no such thing as "freewill". He created all things for His purpose and His counsel shall stand (Isaiah 45:7, Proverbs 16:4). Predestination, Election of Grace too - Ephesians 1:4, Exodus 7:3-4, 9:12)

If there was no such thing as freewill then why did He tell sinners "go and sin no more"?

Or "I lay before you life and death, choose life"?

Boomark:
That is why I, the Boomark of God have come to prove to you all that all your serveral threads are out of point with a single blow.

Jesus came and pronounced woe unto the Pharisees who think they are doing several things very well.

I have come to pronounce woe to your false and off point trinity doctrine.

I have also noticed how you attach lies to your comment.

1. Saying my fall has been pointed out is a lie

2. Saying that I am asking for rematch is a lie.

Oya continue. That's why trinity doctrine is a lie.

Is this the first thread you raised this issue? No.
So, you are just making noise crying for a rematch.

HeadBoy9:
Another phrase for it is divinely fixed outcomes

I don't understand! I thought you rejected destiny/preordained stuff?

Pastor, what about this guy👇🏾

Nnamdipapa:
Nope, I have never sinned and never believed in the concept of sin.

HeadBoy9:
Truth is good to have you here. Your input is appreciated.

I think you didn't read my first write up well. I tell people that Esau losing his birthright had nothing to do with the porridge he ate but rather with his attitude of lack of honor and value for sacred things. God never made a law against eating of porrideg but that Esau would trade his inheritance so easily with such careless words as he did is clear proof of the kind of person he was. His character was on full display bolstered by him taking foreign women to wife.

I like the way you put it though. Thanks for showing that his actions were clear aspersions on the God of Israel.

The way you were first going it did not appear that you would land here oo. My heart cut and I said another one?

HeadBoy9:
The issue shouldn't be about the correctness of terms. Presetting, preordination, or predeterminism isn't anything but the idea being conveyed.
The major (and only) question is whether the outcome of Esau's life was divinely pre-programmed since God "hated" him before ever he was born. If that is the case, is God fair to him and why yet does he judge him since he made him so and predetermined his life?

Esau's case is not easily understandable especially as it calls for deep discernment, so it already generates an issue. Then we now have those words in play which you yourself are are acting on aka divinely preprogrammed, directing how people should think instead of thinking openly and balancely

Boomark:
1. I have but you but you people don't have that sense. Eg. Antichristian asked to see something about marriage from the bible, instead of doing that you started talking of point. That's how you people turn people to atheists with off point and lies.

2. This is another example of off point. I didn't ask anybody hwre to show me anything from their off point essays. They are all interested in forcing their off essay on me instead of taking the challenge and show working from the scripture.


You are free to take up the challenge. I will make sure you score - marks or 0 from all your claim and rebuttal. I will change your name to Dfalsespeaker with my rebuttals.

A horrifying fear has taken over all of you.

See, delu. After all the several threads that have proven you falls, you are here crying for a rematch forgetting it is always the Loser who does this.

Nnamdipapa:
Nope, I have never sinned and never believed in the concept of sin.

See how d atheist openly eLs and how d bot bans mi from responding

HeadBoy9:
Easu had an attitude of perpetual dishonor towards the priesthood (and God) of his fathers.

Hebrew makes it clearer still:

[i]Hebrews 12:16-17 AMPC
[16] That no one may become guilty of sexual vice, or become a profane (godless and sacrilegious) person as Esau did, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. ..

A quick prompt of what does it mean to be profane? into ChatGPT yielded the answer we have below:

So Esau was this kind of person prone to desecrate hallowed things and that was why he lost his birthright and not because God had preordained hatred towards him. Look how easily he traded away that honour for a meal of porridge, and as if that wasn't bad enough he went on to marry from all the places God said not to marry from (this is to preserve the purity of worship).

My conclusion was that God didn't preordain hatred against Esau. His place and right as the first born was his until, he, through one attitude of dishonor (and irreverence) after another, cut himself off from his inheritance.

That was exactly what I told this friend yet he chose to stay with his original position making me want to have others see maybe I drove off course entirely. Though I believe I'm in order having scriptural proof.

Maths: You got the answer correct but your workings are wrong.

Also, you made the mistake of placing emphasis on the porridge affairs just like people think whereas, it is an aggregate of all the things Esau did and especially as people forget that God Sees the Truth (heart)

So, clearly, Esau did not want to be in God's Hands and Plan which means that he rejected God.

Then he went further to annoy God even more that he took him wife from the very same Canaanites that God hated

Now he did not even just take any Canaanite girl, but he went to take a Canaanite priests daughter.

Is that not clear proof of over hatred of God?

Then on top of all these he then took 2 of them (polygamy)

Thank God, that God made us to be like Him, so definitely everyone of us would not have only casted him out but we all know how we shall deal with him.

And funny, he now wanted to repent later and correct, God did not answer him.

Nnamdipapa:
First, explain why that is a sacrifice and why we need a sacrifice for a sin we did not commit. Why would your God sacrifice himself to himself, why not take out Satan.

If indeed you want to know the Truth then answer the question I asked which is

"do you/have you sinned just like M and F Adam did?

At least, the sacrifice is not your sacrifice, so let's keep the sacrifice apart and let us see what caused sacrifice to come. And thank God by the records there was no sacrifice before M and F Adam sinned, so answer the question.

HeadBoy9:
Nlfpmod, Afam4eva, Lalasticlala happy sunday.

I believe this is a good subject to grace the frontpage today

This is where people are mixing prediction with the word preordained.

Preordained refers to what has been preset. And man has been preset to do many things. Eg talk, stay silent, walk, crawl, swim, jump etc

Preordained is not restricted to only a specific action. It also also applies to everything and option that can be done.

But, the bad have conditioned people to see it only in one view whereas it has another view

Nnamdipapa:
..5. We have to accept this sacrifice to be forgiven for the sins of Adam and Eve in the imaginary garden of Eden

Now, help me make sense out of a single item in the above

Let me remove the sand and stones in the egusi and ask.

Who do you sacrifice for, is it for your dead girlfriends or for your living girlfriends and wife and children? Of course we all know it is the living you sacrifice for.

Now, I ask do you/have you sinned just like M and F Adam did? (Oya lie here)

DeepSight:
You are being escapist.
Constraints literally mean restriction.
Period.

It's only a physical restriction meanwhile freewill goes beyond the physical.

Which is why slaves in America still felt free even though they were in chains and cuffs.

Nnamdipapa:
Where is the sacrifice? A story of God sacrifice himself to himself for a sin caused committed by Adam not related to any one of us instigated by Satan that he created and, he raised himself up on the third day.

To believe the above, you will need to give up the functionality of the human brain.

Look at how you mixed up issues. You are the one pouring sand into egusi soup and still complaining that the soup is bad. Clearly, your functionality is marked "replace'

Earthkumy:
..The fall of Adam led humanity into a state of struggle, where people had to choose between good and evil. Before, humans didn't struggle with this; their actions were perfect. After the fall, humans had to make tough choices between good and evil.

To help humanity, God gave the Law of Moses to distinguish between good and evil. However, people struggled to practice good alone because good and evil seemed closely linked. This law prepared the chosen people for the coming of Jesus, who would restore the fruit of life and help people move beyond the knowledge of good and evil.

For them to be struggling to practice good is clear proof that they are evil

Boomark:
You people are already so afraid.

It will not judge anything spiritual.

It will point out those talking out of point as they made in their claim.

For example.
If you claim that Jesus has 12 disciples and use bible verses of where David killed Goliath as back up. It will tell you that you are talking out of point.

All eyes will see it and the screenshot of everything will be posted.

Why are you people so afraid?

1) Do you not already have the sense to know off Point?

2) Even here your falls have already been pointed out to you and you can not answer as has been done many many times before, and you are still saying the same things that proved why you were wrong before, so this is a vanity.

EMIOMOADEOYE:
.The main point I posited was that "at death, you are acquitted of sin"

Whether you are a believer or not, death acquits you of your sins. Which means that when you die, you have paid the price for sin, which the Bible tells us is death.

God told Adam.....in Genesis 3:19, "....for you are dust and to dust you will return" There was no mention of any other judgment for Adam after his death. He told him....in the day he eats from the fruit, he will die.

So very clearly and explicitly, the Bible says the penalty for sin is death.

Take note, in
A non believer is a non believer. When he dies, he no longer has any debt to pay. Because death pays the debt of sin. But he is already dead. The value of the blood of the lamb cannot be applied to him, because he did not believe. Therefore, there is no basis for eternal life for him. Such ones's are said to have been condemned..

You had a lot of points which I would have liked to correct but I could not, so I addressed this area so it is settled and now I can focus on this one.

And on this point, I have to invite my brother Gabrielshow24:, Emusam
to join me in clearing this your error.

First the correct word you are supposed to say is that you are serving/served your sentence (punishment) and not acquitted.

Which means you have been a rested, taken to a Court, tried and the Judge pronounced you "guilty'.

Which also means that you have been charged with a crime/sin/offences.

And if the Judge found you innocent of the charges, then he discharges and acquits you.

Therefore, an acquittal takes place before punishment and not after punishment as you wrongly think.

Meanwhile, no one has been taken to God's Court nor did God Judge their cases whether they are guilty or discharged and acquitted, before they died,

So they have not served their punishment nor paid the price for their sins.

Therefore, death is the Gods Police come to a rest people to take them to God's Court for prosecution and trial.

And that is why you see death do like black Maria and prison trucks delivering it's inmates to God's Court at the end in Revelations 19.

DeepSight:
This just a cop out.
God is unknowable.

You also cant tell a person born paralyzed that he has freewill to run.

Freewill is not dependent on physical doability. Just like chess we wish (freewill) we could make a certain move but the circumstance physically could have constrained us.

So I think a paralytic still has a freewill to run only that he cannot physically do it. That is why they run in spirit.

Vinnie2000:
Really?

Hmmm.

Yes Na. Think about it.

A married man means wife and children which means expenses which means he needs the Job. And this is where you see why the companies become hostile and oftentimes even take the steps that would offend him. But it is just a test to see whether he is hooked.

And a married man must be hooked because he knows what cometh after job loss. Nairalanders have said it tirefully; no job, wife go.

So you, see companies prefer married men. Meanwhile for the female, it switches and they prefer the single ones

Married men are easier to in slave than not married ones.

Because Murderers like to murder quick quick

CreatedtwoRule:
I think all said were understable and explicit. I think your disagreement should be that your sect don't believe in the Trinity but not say otherwise!

I don't belong to any church but I devote 1000% to the bible and it is observable that Three Unities are there but it must be remembered that, doing what They Say is the most important thing than trying to describe them.

And all people are doing is just talk when are they going to work and walk with God?

Yes. Evil was before Satan.

As Genesis shows us it was confined to a small fruit.

But Satan increased it.

That is why you see God always saying "and let not wickedness increase in the land"