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CreatedtwoRule:
...Picture this: Imagine a firefighter running into a burning building to save a child. No one accuses him of "arson and heroism." Similarly, the Trinity isn’t playing roles—it’s a rescue mission.

Hard truth: If God ignored evil, He’d be unjust. ..

Personal Question: Which aspect of the atonement moves you most—God’s justice, His love, or the Trinity’s teamwork? Share below!

"Just is" and Love are still part of God's Work so keep Trinity aside.

Now is there just is without love? No

Is there Love without Just is? No.

So, you see no one can separate these.

And this where your summations in bold nullify some of your statements.

Gabrielshow24:
tenderjunkie🤔... Are you in anyway related to that other junkie👀? What a fascinating moniker for a Christian brother🤔... It must have been inspired by the Spirit 😁!

Well, I partly agree with your submissions; you have made some valid points. In this life, although prosperity is something that is biblical but the approach or method of execution by these is wrong!

Can we dare say that early christians didn't prosper? They did but by what standards🤔! Our modern system is unfortunately hinged upon "money" or the presumed substance of prosperity! But shouldn't it be like as it was in the early church when no christian lacked anything? 👀—Well, the contrast is evidently seen! The standards of prosperity are defined differently now, it's become a show of substance as opposed to a depiction of a "distributing hub"!

Dare anyone say, Christ didn't prosper? They can't, He did but his standard is different! It's by what you can do to others that judges how spiritually prosperous you are! Not the hoarding sentiments that has been indoctrinated into it!

They know the right thing to do but they are waiting for who will bell the cat! 🤔 Presumably, the cat of "implementing divine standards of prosperity"!

And this is what proves that they are not Christians for it is Written you can't serve God and Mormon.

Gabrielshow24:
Probably, you are not well informed @boomark, even ChatGpt you hope to use as a "marker" is flawed and not the ultimate "marker" of what is true in Christianity and not!

We take the scripture in its entirety, along with its implications 😂. You can't just run away from the implications of the fact that someone said He is the "first and the last" with books earlier, revealing God exactly as the "first and the last"!

Hopefully this time, you define your problem statement 😂 clearly! If you hope to dismiss trinity then you must state what trinity is! That's how a dissertation is! — All related statements and terms are well enunciated! e.g., You will define to us what makes God God! You will take the Son as well as the Spirit and look for ways to negate any fulfilling such a boundary!

ChatGpt can't be the judge of all these, it was trained with a dataset and I am very sure that most of its dataset are trinity oriented😂! You are definitely at an huge disadvantage here, and reason is not your forte🤔 — it's also not always on your side given the perfunctory fact that you are a product of those special centers🤧. Humor and sarcasm should be allowed, they help buttress the height of "wisdom" 😂😂—"Jesus is a God but not God almighty" , "No difference between God and God almighty" 😂, " Angels just saw Jesus only when he became flesh", "boomark is a Christian but not a Christian church" etc😂

Funny how a person wants to use a robot to judge the spiritual

EMIOMOADEOYE:
At what point did I ever say that?

Wait! Are you so bent on arguing that you seem to have forgotten why this exchange started in the first place?

No, I am right on the point which is that people died the first death and that by Revelation 19, death vomited them before God.

You seem to believe and argue that because of John 3:18, people would not die via the word you which is why I bolded the word you kept on saying again and again which is "is not condemned,". Hence why I asked you, Does "is not condemned" mean that you are not going to die? Which you have just confirmed that no, these words does not mean that a person will not die first (first death) if Jesus Jesus has not yet come.

We cannot count how many times you have been put down over this issue, so today/tomorrow your noise making won't change the fact that you are wrong

And as I have always said Trinity is not a life and death principle. it is just a mere observationary description no different from saying brace or hat trick

CreatedtwoRule:
2. Free Will vs. Divine Justice: The Love Behind the Law
(Or: "Why Can’t God Just Forgive?"..

This question just annoys me crazily. Common small thing like broken plate they did not forgive so how then can they expect forgiveness?

It is now you real eyes that you are the only one who is taking God seriously while those you know who call themselves Christians actually think that God is just the Juju God they should pray to so that they can be billionaires buying Teslas and Ferraris.

And it is now you real eyes that the walk of God is a very lonely and quiet route. But if you continue on diligently you would be surprised to find that this is the bestest and highestest decision you ever made

This thread proves one of the reasons why it is just that atheists be thrown into a place of punishment.

https://www.nairaland.com/8482218/man-shares-ungrateful-friends-response#136209784

"Some people are ingrate sha."

Atheists are ingrates. God gave you this lovely House called earth to stay for Free, but rather than be thankful, you contest His Ownership of His House.

Abeg, Landlords, what would you do to a tenant that says that you are not his landlord?

"Dpnt worry. He will come again, and that's the time you show him the result of his ingratitude.

"I can scatter my friendship my friendship for things like this

I detest ingrates with everything in me

I fir ask you to send am back sef and me, I no sabi hide my feelings, so i go tell you wetin zup and i go just leave you for there."

"I hate those kind of people"

Clearly, the judgement is that ingrates are very bad people

noobaland30:
do you know what a mistake means? that means the bible is not fully correct! this means the bible is not reliable anymore...

If you knew what a mistake is then you would have known that you are the one who made a mistake.

If not you would have remembered that Truth also appears this way which eg you have heard people say "Kate Henshaw is 40yrs another says she is 52yrs".

Common sense would have told you that this is how reports show and even you have done it.

EMIOMOADEOYE:
John 3:18 says according to KJV....."Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son"..

Does "is not condemned" mean that you are not going to die?

So are you saying that the disciples, Paul and co did not die?

Atheists no go see dis one oo. But thank God people don judge them finish

AlbertNewton:
I do not believe in the existence of the biblical god because to me the evidence provided for its existence and the stories told about it are not convincing enough. It's simply like you telling me something and I refuse to believe it because it doesn't sound true to me. Is there a problem with that ?
I didn't tell you that I can absolutely prove or disprove the existence of the biblical god. I simply don't believe such god exists or is real for certain reasons.

You have confessed in the bold exactly what I said you atheists are doing.

Like the horse forced to drink you are simply exercising your your right of refusal even if 100 evidence are given.

And it is funny how all it takes to sway you in all other subjects is just 1 or 2 evidence but when it comes biases like telling you your mother is bad or to the evidence of proof of God it is then you people demand hundreds and thousands of evidence even committing the fallacy of demanding the impossible.

So, no one is forcing you to believe and I hate people who do try forcing people to accept their beliefs. Left to me, preaching will only be confined in churches and I do not believe that atheists should ever be preached to.

AlbertNewton:
Why are you being silly? That reply wasn't meant for you. I was having a conversation with someone and it lead to me asking some questions as a follow-up.

True.

But in it, you are attacking Christianity so I do have a right to enter in.

FreeIgboho:
This is not a matter of too much grammar. Please calmly explain to us how God knows where you MUST be at 3pm (you 100% can't be any place else), YET you can be any place else! So you can't be any place else, YET you can be any place else! Can't you see there's NOTHING you can say or twist to make it add up FROM HUMAN PERSPECTIVE??..

Told you this is Off Point/fallacy of demanding the impossible.

First the topic is understanding the operation of freewill and not "how God operates.

We are no different from our cars/phone and toys to us when compared to Him. So no human can answer that question accurately.

But the nearest I dare say in answer to the question is to say that it is crazy for the rook or castle or queen in the chessboard to imagine that it can play and win the Maker of the chessboard on that same chessboard.

FreeIgboho:
What else could have happened to them? Everything he ever posted couldn't have been deleted without his consent. I mean people delete their moniker all the time and it shows as
"nobody".

I heard people can no longer do that again.

AlbertNewton:
Okay, everlasting life for witnesses and everlasting damnation (aka burning forever in hell) for others. Nice 👍

Now please tell me (summarily), how or why did you become a member of the JW ?
And also, if you were born somewhere in the middle east to a devout Muslim parents, do you think you would still be a witness ?

Did you see the Catholic church that was damaged in the middle East?

It clearly tells you that they have heard about God and the Bible

And shey you know that this is a change of Post exactly as the op said you people do when you cannot give any logical answer?

So you see you are proving the Op right!

EMIOMOADEOYE:
Clearly you are beyond reasoning.

I leave you to your opinions.

Just say that you are not happy that I have bursted your delusions for the facts are clearly that no matter how great your faith is, you are still gonna die (first death) if Jesus has not come before then.

And then you see that, the same death which has swallowed everybody now vomits them to God for Judgment.

It's all there in black and white so nobody in the world can dispute it.

MaxInDHouse:
I love this because that's exactly what all sincere and honest hearted individuals are asking. So i will try to be as brief as possible!
Now let's go straight to the Bible and see the answer Jesus gave to one of his friends when the man asked this same question!

Jesus Kept talking about everlasting life and what those who aren't his disciples will miss so Peter one of his closest confidants asked Jesus:

“Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

Peter asked this same question because himself and others have left all things just to be with Jesus.

Jesus answered:

“Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life." Mark 10:29-30

You have moved post.

He asked about the benefits of Jw yet you are talking about Jesus and the Bible

MaxInDHouse:
So my friend, only Jehovah's Witnesses can connect with millions of people from different nations throughout the earth to make themselves one big and family of peace loving worshipers which God has always wanted and it's only those who made themselves part of this global family of peace that God is ready to give what Jesus called EVERLASTING LIFE!

So this is where your answer is. And the only thing that you are giving and promising is exactly what cultist promise which is connections because you think he is hungry, jobless and cannot travel around the world.

Anyway, continue your marketing

AlbertNewton:
Okay just to play along with you, assuming that it is actually impossible to prove my existence to you (I believe I can prove it actually), what will that itself prove ? What does it imply ?

It would prove that your refusal to acknowledge God's existence is simply based on the exercise your power and right to refuse a thing.

Exactly like the proverbial horse that you can force to the river but you can never force it to drink.

So, let's see if you can prove us wrong.

FreeIgboho:
Does this statement make sense to you? An infinite God knows you MUST be at certain spot at 3pm today. It is part of His plan. Please explain how chess theory allows you to be another place at 3pm and thwart his plan!

He has given only an overview and the big picture.

If he knew how God is always precise, would that not mean that he and God are mates?

As I said you have a haed issue.

And besides, this is a change of post for the topic is about the freewill of a player and not about how God makes His Moves.

Gabrielshow24:
There's no such button on the web app! Perhaps it might exist on other platforms. It's really strange. Have you also checked his second moniker? If it's the same then Janosky and his JW crew should be contacted along with reaching out to him through his email!

Well, he is speaking now

AlbertNewton:
.. But I maintain that the biblical god CANNOT be this ultimate creator...

And here we all know that this is based on your wishes and preferance for an alternative that would support the kind of life you want, ltalking and not based on solid logical facts. Exactly how tenants wish they had another landlord when they do not like the present landlord.

That is all that goes on with you people. So you all followed the first anti God who powered your delusions and wishes.

AlbertNewton:
You might need to make your point more clearly and logically before I respond to it.

Just say you know that you have no valid counter to this ss you know you got my points. One of which is that if I say that you do not exist from here to eternity you can never prove it.

If you think you can, then come play with me.

Did you not read the guy, say yes?

You are obviously just looking for people to watch your videos

EMIOMOADEOYE:
What?

Where in Revelation did it say that? Where in Revelation did it specifically say that prison was reserved for humans. I know Revelation mentions second death, but to whom was it referring to? Do you know?

Anyway, verse 23 of that chapter does no agree with your reasoning.

See how you twisting yourself. You see "second death" and yet man dies the first death.

And it is in clear black and white in Rev:20:13 that the same death that ate up every man vomited it's contents.

EMIOMOADEOYE:
If you have repented before death, do you not already have the blood of Jesus?

Why would you need death to be absolved from you sin?

What are you "having the blood of Jesus" for?

And where did I say that death absolves you of anything?

You obviously have the scriptures jumbled up.

After all your faith death still eats you up and you remain in it's belly like a prisoner until it vomits you for Judgement.

lawani:
You are actually supporting my position with your logic. If you agree you can greet other people apart from your parents though less then why do you think worshipping lesser deities a little is wrong?. You are countering your own argument.

See now you added the word "though less". Now do you see why you are guilty of idolatry?

Would you go befriending enemies of your parents?

lawani:
I greet everybody. It does not matter who I greet more. I gift many people, it does not matter who I gift more. What religionists say God wants is the equivalent of your parent saying you should not greet anyone but them and it is not logical.

You are still dodging
And I said why have you never greeted your neighbour more than your mother?
And why haven't you given gifts to your friends father more than your father?

Did you parents say that you should not greet and honour any body more than them? Yet you have never done it.

You are just deceiving yourself. All idolaters are committing self murder.