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Did you not read the guy, say yes?

You are obviously just looking for people to watch your videos

EMIOMOADEOYE:
What?

Where in Revelation did it say that? Where in Revelation did it specifically say that prison was reserved for humans. I know Revelation mentions second death, but to whom was it referring to? Do you know?

Anyway, verse 23 of that chapter does no agree with your reasoning.

See how you twisting yourself. You see "second death" and yet man dies the first death.

And it is in clear black and white in Rev:20:13 that the same death that ate up every man vomited it's contents.

EMIOMOADEOYE:
If you have repented before death, do you not already have the blood of Jesus?

Why would you need death to be absolved from you sin?

What are you "having the blood of Jesus" for?

And where did I say that death absolves you of anything?

You obviously have the scriptures jumbled up.

After all your faith death still eats you up and you remain in it's belly like a prisoner until it vomits you for Judgement.

lawani:
You are actually supporting my position with your logic. If you agree you can greet other people apart from your parents though less then why do you think worshipping lesser deities a little is wrong?. You are countering your own argument.

See now you added the word "though less". Now do you see why you are guilty of idolatry?

Would you go befriending enemies of your parents?

lawani:
I greet everybody. It does not matter who I greet more. I gift many people, it does not matter who I gift more. What religionists say God wants is the equivalent of your parent saying you should not greet anyone but them and it is not logical.

You are still dodging
And I said why have you never greeted your neighbour more than your mother?
And why haven't you given gifts to your friends father more than your father?

Did you parents say that you should not greet and honour any body more than them? Yet you have never done it.

You are just deceiving yourself. All idolaters are committing self murder.

AlbertNewton:
The bolded is true. And I think that's largely because the biblical god has become the most popular of all the numerous gods out there. Furthermore, there's a book, the bible, that's purported to contain accounts of the deeds and words of this god, providing disprovable grounds to argue for or against the realness or existence of such an entity. Through the omniscience and omnipotence qualities often attributed to it, the biblical god also comes the closest to what might "make sense" for a creator of the universe to be like. In a way, if it can be established that the biblical god is not real, then we can safely say that none of the other gods can be real!

I was raised in a Christian home, but as a result of the stupid and evil things that were recorded God did (and said) in the bible, as well as the ridiculousness of the idea of heaven and hell, I couldn't see the biblical god as real let alone as the creator of the universe. And because I can't find a better replacement for the biblical god, I ended up an atheist.
Since we are yet to fully grasp existence (the cause and the purpose of it), I'm all for the possibility that there could be some entity out there that actually created the universe, but I'm convinced it's not the blood-thirsty, tribalistic monster talked about in the bible.

I can argue here that you do not exist from here to eternity and you can never prove it. I just did it to your brother in atheism on Saturday and till today he cannot prove that a car exists.

So it's not about grounds of argument but a matter of your personal disposition which does not even need a ground to fly. So you people are talking rubbish.

And when you accuse Him of blood thirstyness I hope you are enjoying these days that killings and dies are easy and you are not complaining that the killings are too much. And so it is ok if you are blessed with it.

PulsingPurple:
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"God killed tons of people in the Bible."..

One of the most silly things only an empty could raise up.

How can hypo kill more than the man who created it?

FreeIgboho:
Actually they're not bans. That's why I wrote this before:
Anybody knows why MaxInDHouse deleted all his 43 topics and all his posts?
Maybe he quit JW or got disfellowshiped or something.
I pray he's ok.

He deleted his posts? I don't think so. Once you post you can't delete it again. Abi dem don put dat button?

Chemical castration as in they will pour acid on his diq?

Everyday247:
What's this?

You ran away from our conversation on one thread and opened this thread here to report me to your teachers?

Are they going to beat me?

Oh no! I'm shaking in my boots! 😱😱😱

Even you see that this is an observation off shooting from that conversation.

And as you can see, I have addressed every valid point you make over there.

So no bother, man fit no catch you but like Buhari and Jephthah, God go still catch una!

PulsingPurple:
We're only human, pride won't let us... 😅

Meanwhile I'm looking for one serious atheist to come and continue a conversation that one of their friends couldn't hold together.

Ah! You go wait tire.

Everyday247:
Yeah I'm no longer interested in what else you have to say. Your outburst on the other thread is a big red flag. Chances are if we were conversing in person, you'd have probably tried to strangled me.

I'm out.

If we were in person conversing you won't speak so much as you yourself would hear how what you say does not make sense.

It is because this is a convo in writing were you can say what you say without seeing the reactions others will give to your responses.

And sorry, I used you to raised that other thread because I have been what was wrong with you people fallsly accusing God of murderers and rapes whereas my mind was trying to draw my attention to something.

It was when you finished speaking that it finally hit me what had been disturbing me since.

Which is, it is still you people who committed all those atrocities and used them to advance yourselves into positions where you people are in control of the lives of others and their land and who have made their own version of law called legal and rather than allow us burn murderers and rapists, they put us in prison for burning them while putting them in the same prison with us who are complaining about those same rapists and murderers.

Then it is sickening that it is still the same you people who now accused God of rapes and murders on the other hand. That is definitely thrashy!

And that is why I made the thread

Everyday247:
okay then since you say you can tell the difference, which of these languages are gibberish? 👇

What is the point when you have already shown that like you made out the differences?

Then secondly, when you caught the fakes, was it not when they were vocally speaking to you in your bodily presence just like the disciples spoke on that day?

Did they "write it" on Nairaland or anywhere?

Everyday247:
Firstly, the bolded is just you doing word play. What's the difference between a commander "commanding" [/b]his army to commit commit genocide and he [b]"permitting" his army to commit genocide?

Now you are trying to change the post. It is you who is changing post to word play.

The meaning of commanding and permitting is very clear.

Which is why you did not say commanding in the first place but went on to try hiding under the word "permitting".

As you pretend not to know that persons have been accused of permitting when in fact they did not give any permission..

Everyday247:
Also here are explicit verses where Yahweh commanded them to commit genocides and steal lands .Deuteronomy 20 verse 16 to 18.

Why are you repeating yourself? Have I not already asked you why you rejoice when FG genocides Boko haram and bandits and kidnappers and armed robbers?

Whichyou dodged!
Therefore you know that you are talking rubbish here if not you would have shouted before today that Fg is committing genocide. But rather we see you praising fg and looking forward to more genociding.

So, you are talking rubbish here.

Everyday247:
Jephthah made a vow to Yahweh that if Yahweh gave him victory, he would sacrifice the first person who came out of his house as a burnt offering to Yahweh. And when he got his war victory, he sacrificed his daughter in judges 11 verse 3.

Why are you repeating yourself! You are only confirming what I said on the point which is that God did command him to do this.

So the rest you are saying is Off Point. (But, if your mind was not bad you would have read to see what is burnt offering and who does the burnt offering. Then you would see why the girl ended up in the temple and why her friends go visiting her there).

Everyday247:
So what you are saying here is that Yahweh, FG and the house owner are the same because they all kill children etc.

It is you who saying it.

Everyday247:
Read judges 11 verse 39. She was sacrificed as a burnt offering to Yahweh in exchange for the war victory he gave Jephthah.
Yahweh did not punish him for anything.

Did you not see that he was in pain and cried and regretted when his wike... S backfired? As we say God catch am and He took away his daughter as Jephthah had planned to take someone's else's child just because they are in his house.

And since God is Just who best should God take if not Jephthah's own child?

So perfect just is was served, a child for child.

And that is why you ignorant people stew p... moved to burnt offering in another stiew pea of not knowing what burnt offering means.

Everyday247:
We are essentially saying the same thing here. The original question is was whether the gods are above or under moral laws, and you said that they are above moral laws.
So i gave the ethical dilemma of the house owner example. Just as the house owner is above his own laws, and can change them to suit his mood at the moment. Yahweh is also the same as the house owner. He can say that genocide, theft, murder etc, is okay today and not okay tomorrow. If Yahweh say "go and kill millions" then the act ok because morality is being defined as "whatever Yahweh commands" according to you.

You first did not know that. Then secondly, you failed to comprehend that if I give a moral law, then I must support that law and would be held by the fact that I gave that law against anybody who goes against that law.

And God has not changed His Laws

And that is why there is no ethical situation only stew pea and Wike... people speaking from there.

And one more thing you would note that Christians say God and not Yahweh

Because God is not Yahweh especially as he is said to be a Canaanite god, Whom God Himself ordered His chosen to destroy.

But as we all know Isreal Always disobeyed God and did the opposite of what He Commanded.

Everyday247:
okay then since you say you can tell the difference, which of these languages are gibberish? 👇

What is the point when you have already shown that like you made out the differences?

Then secondly, when you caught the fakes, was it not when they were vocally speaking to you in your bodily presence just like the disciples spoke on that day?

Did they "write it" on Nairaland or anywhere?

Everyday247:
Firstly, the bolded is just you doing word play. What's the difference between a commander "commanding" [/b]his army to commit commit genocide and he [b]"permitting" his army to commit genocide?

Now you are trying to change the post. It is you who is changing post to word play.

The meaning of commanding and permitting is very clear.

Which is why you did not say commanding in the first place but went on to try hiding under the word "permitting".

As you pretend not to know that persons have been accused of permitting when in fact they did not give any permission..

Everyday247:
Also here are explicit verses where Yahweh commanded them to commit genocides and steal lands .Deuteronomy 20 verse 16 to 18.

Also here are explicit verses where Yahweh commanded them to commit genocides and steal lands 👇[/quote]Jephthah made a vow to Yahweh that if Yahweh gave him victory, he would sacrifice the first person who came out of his house as a burnt offering to Yahweh. And when he got his war victory, he sacrificed his daughter in judges 11 verse 39.

So what you are saying here is that Yahweh, FG and the house owner are the same because they all kill children etc.

Read judges 11 verse 39. She was sacrificed as a burnt offering to Yahweh in exchange for the war victory he gave Jephthah.
Yahweh did not punish him for anything.

We are essentially saying the same thing here. The original question is was whether the gods are above or under moral laws, and you said that they are above moral laws.
So i gave the ethical dilemma of the house owner example. Just as the house owner is above his own laws, and can change them to suit his mood at the moment. Yahweh is also the same as the house owner. He can say that genocide, theft, murder etc, is okay today and not okay tomorrow. If Yahweh say "go and kill millions" then the act ok because morality is being defined as "whatever Yahweh commands" according to you.[/quote]

So here we see an atheist saying the rubbish as he pretends not be aware of what God Commanded and what people did to rapists and murderers before this rubbish world we know which clearly atheists are in control of came about.

Which is through that same murdering and raping they did.

So if God's Command had truly been enforced all atheists would have been dead or at least closet ones.

Everyday247:
Thanks for the bolded.
It's good that you are repulsed by the thought of the house owner permitting acts such as murder and rape and then go on to claim that your god will never do such a thing.

Thank God you appreciate that all over the world we are all abhorrent of these things which clearly means that God has already fore prepared us to be all soldiers against these things commanding us to kill them as we already feel like doing when we see them.

So clearly, God is good and has supported morals.

Secondly Permitting is not the same as commanding, Meanwhile, God did more than that and clearly commanded that murderers and rapists should be killed. So case closed....

Everyday247:
What i was trying to demonstrate with the house owner permitting murder and rape because he's the lawmaker is that Yahweh is EXACTLY the same as the house owner.

And this where I remind you that I said it first, in proving to you

1) that God is above The Law.

2) And that The present Laws that we is called Morality in this House called the world is what He gave and commanded and set everyone to be natural enforce those commands. Which we see that all over it is condemned but rather than kill rapists and murders, the same murderers who are the same atheists who have murdered their way into ruling people by threatening them with murder calling themselves FG/politicians have changed it to imprisonment, where people have been calling for death and castration, which we know God will uphold.

But, you will not see that this.

However, the point here is that you finally agreed me on this.

Isn't this crazy?

It is the same atheists who say people should not kill murderers and rapists who still complain about murderers and rapists.

God Commanded that murderers and rapists should be killed exactly how we all feel when we hear this cases.

Once people saw them and caught them and all the evidence and proof of crime is presented before the people, die die dey go!

End of story. Lesson to others

But atheists came up, one arm murdered more people and threatened the rest with killings and became the rulers and kings and government of the land

While the other arms became the noisemakers chanting their propaganda and pushing for changes against Natural Law and God's Plans already on ground and stopped it calling it jungle justice.

So now they have no moral right to say rubbish about God and murder and rape.

PulsingPurple:
And rightly so, maybe I should also add my praises/observations too. For the consistency.



Omoo, we move. 😅
The whole idea is that people will pick a style of argument where they think they'll have the upper hand. Once you start playing a bit wider than their expectations or introducing twists they didn't anticipate, the whole conversation crashes, they convert it to sentiments, redundant lines, misquotes, insults, jokes, etc etc.

Most of the regulars here are still guilty sha, even you sef. 😏

Very accurate description of what atheists do when they are caught and cornered!

FreeIgboho:
See the answer below.
Anything outside these ought shock u

Inside those grounds is also the Commandment of "if you divorce, seek not to be married again "

FreeIgboho:
Exactly. To him everything is freewill except automatic things like sweating and such

Do you not know that the everything he is talking about refers to our voluntary doings and actions which are about 95% flowing from our freewill eg making your bed/making your bed very well, cleaning your house, going to school or work, quarrelling and abusing a soldier at the checkpoint etc?

Everyday247:
That's the reason for the test. You're implying that you can tell the difference between unknown languages and gibberish. So i was to give you a test to see if you can really differentiate between the two.

Since you already knew the reason that means you yourself have already been catching gibberish and languages which is exactly my point.

Everyday247:
Thanks for the bolded.
It's good that you are repulsed by the thought of the house owner permitting acts such as murder and rape and then go on to claim that your god will never do such a thing.

Thank God you appreciate that all over the world we are all abhorrent of these things which clearly means that God has already fore prepared us to be all soldiers against these things commanding us to kill them as we already feel like doing when we see them.

So clearly, God is good and has supported morals.

Secondly Permitting is not the same as commanding, Meanwhile, God did more than that and clearly commanded that murderers and rapists should be killed. So case closed.

And the only thing that remains is for you to understand the rubbish the.
Veels L you raise up.

Everyday247:
Maybe you should go and read the parts of the bible where a young girl was sacrificed to Yahweh in order to win a war

Did God command them to do so?

Everyday247:
and the part where Yahweh commanded his people to commit genocides against other people, including against their young, sick and elderly or the parts where Yahweh told his people that they should steal other people's lands

You know Boko haram and bandits have children, sick and elderly people, yet you rejoice when FG bombs out, and takes their land, why?
And since fg did that have you ever accused fg of genocide?

Everyday247:
When Yahweh accepted human sacrifice 👇

Jephthah's daughter was sacrificed to Yahweh in order to win a war in judges 11

At least you appreciate the God did not ask Jephthah to do this kind of thing and Jephthah could have done other things that were good.

But, if you had paid attention you would have seen that God saw Jephthah's bad mind and that is why He punished Jephthah by turning the situation against him as we say here "God don catch you".

So here, we see God doing Justice by serving Jephthah the fruits of his wick3333....

Then secondly,
Did you not read that her friends went to the temple to visit her?

The sacrifice God took was for her to serve in His temple, like the Levites. So, no problem here.

Everyday247:
What i was trying to demonstrate with the house owner permitting murder and rape because he's the lawmaker is that Yahweh is EXACTLY the same as the house owner.

And this where I remind you that I said it first, in proving to you

1) that God is above The Law.

2) And that The present Laws that we is called Morality in this House called the world is what He gave and commanded and set everyone to be natural enforce those commands. Which we see that all over it is condemned but rather than kill rapists and murders, the same murderers who are the same atheists who have murdered their way into ruling people by threatening them with murder calling themselves FG/politicians have changed it to imprisonment, where people have been calling for death and castration, which we know God will uphold.

But, you will not see that this.

However, the point here is that you finally agreed me on this.

So the only issue is those rubbish accusations of genocide and shi. of which I always ask FG genocides Boko haram and bandits and kidnappers and armed robbers and you rejoice and praise them and have never accused them of genocide, why?

FreeIgboho:
You don't understand what he's saying. He's basically saying that anything anybody does is freewill as long as it is not automatic. But that is not the generally accepted definition of freewill. See my screen shot above - an action predetermined by constraints is, by definition, NOT by freewill.

I agree 💯% with you. But from the argument I see that he does not understand free will at all and how, when and where it works because of his conflicted mind

Gabrielshow24:
Wetin do brother Max. Ah, this one muzz me. Even us wey dey use sarcasm and slightly veiled in-sult(s) no get ban reach this😂!

O na Max na im dem hammer like dis?

Everyday247:
Can I then run a test to see if it's true?
I'll give some phrases and in 30 sec you'll tell me which ones are gibberish and which ones are not. Are you interested?

You must be 6. If not you would have remembered how many times you heard people speak gibberish and people thrashed them compared to the time that you heard even (those dirty naked people we see in the road/market) speak a strange language yet you knew it was a dialect.

Everyday247:
If it's your house the law doesn't apply to you and you can make any law you like for the house. Including laws that allows you to kill or rape anybody in the house.

This answer implies that gods are above moral laws since they are the law makers. Is this what you are saying?

Thank you for saying the Truth that you are above the Law in your house

And yes, if you want people in your house to rape and murder, you can command it, after all it is proof of the kind of person you are.

However, in this House which belongs to God, God has already commanded that a rapist and murderer should be killed upon being justly found guilty.

And that is why all over the world there isn't any place where rape and murder is not condemned. So since, presently as it stands, morals is a about good, then God is Good.

But as you see, Wike, Trump, Putin, Kim Jong, Biya are not under their law, you can also see that their laws are a reflection of them.

But without going too far from the point, the record shows that you admit that a Landlord is above his law.

Omo! See Ban posts. This is the most I have seen in this Nairaland. Those banned comments look like 30.

This reminds me.

FreeIgboho:
My bros I'll give u a slack because it seems u honestly don't understand.
You trapped your opponent's knight at the edge years before he was born and the chessboard built!😅
Get it now?...

If you are in a trap you can't move. And then you can say that the person had no freewill.

But not when your opponent was given the same opportunity of making every move on the board as the Victor, yet the opponent was beaten. That person cannot claim he has no freewill.

And it is still the same as when Kasparov says "I will beat you in 6 moves". As seen none of his opponents claimed they did not have freewill.

Gabrielshow24:
Yeah

Ehen! That is why we are on the same page. You understand the issues. The boy just can't get it

Gabrielshow24:
..If you had read my response you would have known I made mention of human conditioning, I also took that into account. An intelligent mind can configure circumstances such that only one possible outcome is available to the actor! It's like having an irrefutable mate against your opponent, his outcome is loss no matter whatsoever he plays!

Perfect explanation! Do you play chess?

Everyday247:
Are you saying that you can tell the difference between unknown languages and gibberish?

Are you 6? Can you not?

Everyday247:
what is your answer here?

I asked you my own question

"when you tell your children and nephew and nieces to be in your house by 9pm", does that Law apply to you? Are you under that law?

Answer this and then we will all see if your question makes sense.

EMIOMOADEOYE:
Everyone knows that the Bible says the wages sin pays is death.

But in the light of Romans 6:7, why will a sinner be put in a place like a fiery hell?

If he has been acquitted of his sins at death, for what reason would he still be there?

A sinner becomes acquitted of his sins when he dies. So there is nothing remaining to punish or bring up for retribution.

However, because he died unrepentant, it means that he failed to put faith in the redeeming power of the blood of Jesus that he shed on our behalf. Faith in the sacrifice of Jesus, is the key to ataining eternal life.

So at death, that is all for him. He cannot be tormented in a fiery hell because he has been acquitted of his sin. He remains dead because he died without the key to eternal life.

See twisting by a self deceiver.

Romans 6:7 is talking about those who have repented. Yet here you are stretching it to say it covers all sinners as if you did not read in Revelations that death is the first prison they go then after that they go to firery hell.

Nothing wey those qualified for hell will not use to deceive themselves