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Moremii:
LOL. Well, that's not something I'd do personally if we want to be realistic. However, what's the problem here? People experience a lot of emotional pain because of cheating wives and husbands and thankfully, legal systems exist to address practical injustices right there in the moment but it doesn't contradict the rejection of unnecessary religious intermediaries, especially when communing directly with the divine is easily granted.

Do you not know that we know you are Lying when you say you won't personally report and complain to a court after all the bloody fights and noise you people make when you catch your fellow sister in the image of God riding your man's p****.

Even you know that you are talking rubbish here. Human beings always need the help of an intermediary.

Moremii:
If someone steals from me, justice requires that they should face the consequences i..

Why are you dodging yet again? Is the consequences not already known? If someone stole your salary, do you not already know what you want in consequence and in remedy as a result of his stealing?

See, we can all see that you are pretending therefore your opinions are wrong and clearly born out of the unreasonability of bias and injustice.

Moremii:
Let me now ask you, since you brought up rape. If your friend raped somebody...

Stop reversing the burden of proof and changing post to punishment of a friend of the rapis" and answer the question asked Truthfully, if your wife and daughters are raped and your sons murdered, what is the just is you would demand for these things?

We all know you are dodging and refusing to answer this real life questions because it proves how greatly wrong you are.

Moremii:
Nawa. These your questions are very funny sha, but let me try and answer you.

.. Your god ordered the mass genocide of the Amorites, Jebusites, Hittites, and countless other clans in the Canaanite region in a bid to expand Israel's territory as part of his divine mandate. He explicitly ordered the killing of every living thing in those regions.

So unless you have a way to justify that the women and children in all those regions are as morally bankrupt as the bandits and kidnappers you mention, you don't have any argument here and your question is irrelevant.

See, you are dodging answering the questions I asked and now resorting to fallacy of switching the burden of proof and repetition and trying to increase the standard of proof with the fallacy of emotional blackmail.

We all know God commanded a counter attack on the bandits who attacked travellers. Or did you not read that these people attacked Isreal like bandits as they were traveling?

So, no metaphor here.

But see, you had to dodge answering the question which is why you had to dodge it and fallaciously answer.

A clear proof that you can now see that you are wrong and now you have wrongly and unjustly accused an Innocent Person.

FreeIgboho:
Ok, from your reasoning [b]how can God be [/b]in heaven and as Jesus on earth at same time? How can God be hearing a million prayers at once or be inside you??

Change of Post! The topic is evidence and not "how can God be...

FreeIgboho:
No, you CAN touch and see something that's not there

That is still evidence!, son.

FreeIgboho:
Instead of pretending about Jesus of the Bible, the honest thing for them to do is, forget the Jesus of the Bible entirely and create a new Jesus that is devoid of Yahweh and has only elements palatable to them!

It is still the same pretence and self deceit. Exactly like writing your own question paper simply because you cannot answer the ones put before you. What a massive way to fail

Moremii:
Then you don't understand what I've been saying since. This is more than just corrupt pastors changing and distorting pure doctrine. The real problem here is that the institutional "message" itself was compromised centuries ago from the moment the proto-orthodontists decided to join Christ's pneumatic revelation with the Hebrew scriptures....

I have seen where you clearly show what issues are making you think this way and I addressed them. So let me more over to see how you responded to my address

Modified!
I see you have still not responded to my rebuttals.

FreeIgboho:
Same reasoning that deceives you into thinking anything you can see and touch is real. Yesterday in my dream I was wishing I was dreaming , not knowing I was actually dreaming till I woke up!

It is already settled that based on the experiences people have had in the state called dreams, that dreams are another part of living which people are still exploring and learning about Which is why you said "dream".

And that does not negate the fact things you touched and see are evidence.

Natbrowny:
Since its political

Based on Jewish marriage ages at that tym. She should be between 12 to 15 years old when she had Jesus

So you are saying Jews are Muslims?

From the bible I glean that girls marry maybe from the age of 16-18 which would be when a girl enters the university as we have today

A 12 yr old is still a child and not a woman

NetbizBoss:
Religion must die for Africa to rise. You cannot forget your root... Your root is the reason you're alive. Any plant the root die is just waiting for wing to pull it down...

You say with one mouth "religion must die' yet with another mouth you are referring to our local religion of witchcraft and jujuism which many still do even when they go to church, men you people are not seriously brainwashed by atheists oo

FreeIgboho:
I take it you and Moremii believe the NT. How do these excerpts below not totally contradict your thesis? Who's prophets and commandments do you think Jesus was talking about?...

Exactly!

Whose Commandments did Christ Say that people did not obey?

See, people deceiving themselves with cut and join gospel

Moremii:
Sir the evidence is in your own Bible. Look at the old and new testament, then compare notes: In the new testament (NT), Jesus speaks of the Supreme Father as a God of love and forgiveness. He also encourages mindfulness and curiosity. Then check the old testament (OT), and you will see a wrathful god that is completely unforgiving, driven by material obsession and jealousy. He said it himself that he's a jealous god, abi did you skip that part or did that part skip you?..

Did you not read that Jesus came to save mankind?

From what and from Whom was He trying to save man from?

Then the question is, is it justified that man should get the punishments and destruction awaiting him?

With these we will know whether you speak reasonably or you are speaking because you know that are not worthy of salvation.

For even Jesus too Said that He is Coming back to destroy all these who refused salvation, so running to Jesus is still not an escape, Paul's friend Demas did it and he fell by the wayside

Moremii:
...Christ is undeniable, but I'm saying he's not the domesticated version you guys worship as the blood sacrifice of a false god. Yaldaboath is your god, not mine. Christ goes against everything your Demiurge espouses, particularly in the Old Testament.

Maybe you should ask yourself the following questions, if you're truthful to yourself:

1. Why does a loving god command genocide in the Hebrew Bible?.

Ehen! So another of your problems is with what is called "old testament".

To answer you, I ask, would you be happy if you hear a bomb was dropped on bandits/kidnappers camp?

Moremii:
2. Why must salvation require blood sacrifice if your god truly forgives sins?

If your salary say ₦145k is stolen, what is the just is that you would demand/require! While at it, if your wife and daughters are raped and your sons murdered, what is the just is for these things?

Moremii:
3. Why do we need to engage with priestly mediators when we were told that we're made in God's image?

Since your brother and neighbour are made in the image of God, why do you complain and go to court that she stole your husband?

Moremii:
4. Why is seeking knowledge forbidden in parts of the Hebrew Bible and even treated as spiritual pride? Is ignorance a virtue to you?

I don't know what you mean by Hebrew Bible but the Bible did say

"An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered."

So, no where did the bible prevent people from getting knowledge where in fact it is also giving Knowledge itself

Moremii:
You're mostly correct.

I align with Christ, but it's the Christ who liberates consciousness from authoritative religion, not the one who enforces it while demanding mindless worship.

Christianity today is in shambles because it has buried this version of Christ under the theology of priestly hierarchy and control.

I suppose your instinct to question the identification of Yahweh would be regarded as gnosis (illumination) in my own worldview, so I guess that's a good thing. So I will just tell you to open your eyes and realize that the rabbit hole goes much deeper than you imagine. Christianity in the normal sense we were brought up to believe in is a perverted version of the real thing, sold to us by dishonest people for the sake of politics.

I still have more to say on the topic so you can keep reading if you're interested.

From your response I glean that your problem in and wth Christianity is the one promoted and advertised by pastorprenuers and I perceive, something that has to do with the of testament but you have not made it clear.

in which case you ought to contend with the messenger rather than lump both the message and the messenger together.

Wisfem:
No this does not clearly show that they hear or know the word of God, You can only argue that Christ lives in their heart even when they do not know or have not heard about him, Because of the Will to know Good and Bad.

Don't confuse yourself.

There are 2 issues the op jumbled together and they cannot be properly settled without first identifying the issues and it's corresponding effects.

And the first issue you need resolved is the Word of God. And what is The Word of God? The simple answer is The Word of God is LAW or COMMANDMENT Dictating what things are good or evil which it is settled that people even in the time of Sodom and Gomorrah before Isreal even went to Egypt even knew about.

And with this you can see that nations already knew The Word of God. Why do you think everyone in the whole world says "God would judge you?"

DeepSight:
Please don't try to use the legal doctrine of estoppel carelessly and wrongly.

How am I using estoppel wrongly? And I hope you are not thinking that estoppel is only used in courts as your basis of objection

Is it not clearly for identification purposes, ehn?

Because God Left there and c is no longer in such places.

Moremii:
...my approach to it is highly unconventional, haha.

For instance, I completely reject the Yahweh deity worshipped in the mainstream. To me, he's a fraud and deceiver and he's the one Christ came down to preach against. This doesn't make me an unbeliever though. I still insist that I'm a Christian anyway, because that's literally what I am: a believer of Christ.

I'm sure I've already confused people with my first paragraph and so this is why I've decided to create a thread to discuss what Christianity actually is, because many people think they know what it is, when they actually don't. Everything I will say here is not necessarily strange or original per se, but the average Christian in the mainstream probably (and ironically) considers all of it to be blasphemy. At any rate, I don't see it being spoken about much on here and so I'm writing all this for anyone who, like I once was, is currently filled with nagging questions about his/her faith that just won't go away, no matter the amount of apologetic gymnastics.

Questions will be appreciated all the same. My response time might be erratic because of my irregular schedule, but I'll try my best keep up.

I believe all you are saying is that you substance and align with Christ.

Because
"He does not believe that does not live according to his belief. Sigmund Freud

However, like you I see that the word "Yahweh" seems to be attached to a Canaanite god. Maybe very bad people created this in their bid to insalt God. But it is clearly understandable why people may not want to align with the name

Pearl1910:
After reading that a village in Udi, Enugu State just got the gospel 20yrs ago. U are still asking this question??
It shows u are only reading to respond and argue. Not to hear and learn.
Your mind is closed and ur mentality is fixed to the incorrect knowledge u have.

Now you are Lying. The church was already in Udi

The first church in Udi is St. John's Church in Obinagu, established in 1920. Additionally, Peter's Anglican Church Agbalaenyi was established in 1954.

1954 is not 20years back, so you Lie!

FreeIgboho:
That's just an attribute of humans. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that I believe based on evidence NOT based on the very limited and unknowing reasoning of humans, which is what your unbelief is based on!

Reasoning is also evidence.

FreeIgboho:
Yes I did. The flaw is that they don't claim Paul was also not a real person. The problem with claiming Jesus never existed is the existence of people like Paul!
Maxindhouse and Janosky will like it. Lordreed will love it. tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, what you think of it?..

This is where people have to remember it is he who alleges is the one with the duty of proving.

The bible clearly states that at least 12 principal people were with Him at all times in addition to public sightings.

Then, the most material evidence is the fact that when this report first came up no one at the material time came up to oppose and say that it is not true. So no one today who was not there at the material time can validly stand up to deny this fact.

And that is because there are many thing which lock and secure all Truths. And one of them is called estoppel.

So all those trying to attack this settled fact are already looking stu... as they can never discharge the burden of proof. It's all noise making generated to make shallow people fall

Gabrielshow24:
Your inference is top-notch 😂😂😂. How you come up with such correlation is really puzzling? 🤔Surely man has not revealed this to you👀!

😁 Thanks man!

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columbus007:
This question is making me wanna throw up🤮🤮, wtf you wrote this.

You see the rubbish eh. See abomination. He wants to in sex his own cousin and deliberately too. Hellfire is waiting for a lot of people

Dis na Aki and pawpaw parrot.

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Pearl1910:
Yes, but after it got blocked subsequent generations will be oblivious of it. So there will be millions of adults who don't know about it.

We all know that no one can completely block a thing, so the Gospel is entering. And the one that have already entered there will still be doing its work

Pearl1910:
I think u are intentionally making this argument endless without making any point.
The argument was never about how but if the gospel has reached everyone on earth.
I gave u verifiable evidence that as early as 10 yrs ago the world was still discovering new colonies.
So do u have any evidence that the gospel has been heard by every single soul in the world?

You are the one who was about elongating the argument by raising the issue of how, which I put down. Especially after showing that the Gospel from Isreal still got to Mbano for that matter.

If it can reach my village in Ezumoha, which village can it not reach?

RodgersAkpafu:
leave them and their state of delusional thinking

Like we are not seeing how Cursed and dead and useless and frustrated dem oyibo people are and that is why they can easily kill themselves and kill another person too without feeling anything.

They are dead and Cursed people, so continue following them

tete7000:
Those who are sleeping with ladies other people will marry in future can also be said to be sleeping with other people's future wives.

And that is why all of them are sleeping with each others wives and ladies and the whole world is crying that marriage is not good because God has Said it. Everyone must reap what they sow.

So, as they have digged someone's wife/husband, someone else must dig their own wife and that is why many men don't want to marry in a bid to dodge it. But God still catches them

Charly68:
In Bible terms ,the consequences of adultery is death...physical and spiritual death ..

Atagha also confirms it

Julius1995:
Not to drag you or even trolling you, honestly. But if you have a daughter, you mean the innocent creature is already "over cursed"? You people should think about all these things you say now. You mom, sis, friends, aunt, etc, are overcursed. I know Nigerians are not the smartest people in the world, but sometimes, we take the shallowness to bottomless low.

I appreciate that and your query is very reasonable and welcome. So I answer

Look at our baby girls and daughters, are they Cursed?

Then look at women and teenage girls doing hook ups, do you not see very bad things follow them that it is even on their faces that is why people automatically treat them like they are abominations?

Look at the innocent girl child, you would see everyone welcomes and embraces her but everyone stays away/avoids a woman.

And you can see this difference when both of them are natural and not wearing makeup.

See how beautiful and sweet the girl child is even without makeup and she move about freely but no Cursed and over Cursed woman comfortably does that. And that is why cosmetics is always a necessity to them.

And that is why you see them forcing their little daughters to wear makeup. It is with the aim of covering the Curses that is plastered on their face so that you men do not see and know that there is a difference.

And that is why any girl who refuses to wear makeup and do hook up will become an enemy and all the Cursed women will force her or torture her until she either changes or dies.

Go and study these things and see if they are not True