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Jokerman:
Good .

Everything needs a scapegoat for others to obey simple rules

Scape goat is the one who was let go/escaped/got away.

btoks:
For someone who didn't even know about Eusebius just a few days ago, you sure are making bold and sweeping statements, albeit misguided.
Please do some more research sincerely on the fate of peter and come back to this post in a few weeks/ months( May God give us long live).

This would be you shifting the burden of proving on me to prove your church's claim. Whereas, it is you or your church who should prove its claim because it is "He who asserts must prove".

btoks:
About the so called atrocities of some church members this is a strawman argument and doesn't invalidate the good.

While doing some research, have an open mind about what Catholic church actually is and teaches without 21st century lens divorced from Christian history as well as the prejudice you already exhibit, so that you can have stronger arguments even if you don't agree with the church.
You may find you have no valid basis for even believing in the books of the bible talk less of your own misguided sola scriptura interpretations. Shikena.

It is not a fallacy because you painted your church as a saint and one who has done only the good. Therefore, I have a right to show that your church did evil too.

And that even murderers, prostituttes, armed robbers, scammers, wife beaters, and all the unrighteous people we know do some good too. Therefore, they have not done anything that the next man has not done. So no point here for them.

btoks:
You may find you have no valid basis for even believing in the books of the bible talk less of your own misguided sola scriptura interpretations. Shikena.

I already told you that I believe the bible because it proved its reports. But, no reasonable person can believe your church seeing that it does not have Truthful and valid evidence

The invalidity of your church is based on its anty-Christian and anti-bible conduct and behaviour.

Every other church recognises, admits and confesses The Truth that it is taking and subscribing to a foreign religion which originated from Isreal.

Whereas your church is trying to steal the same foreign religion and trying to claim it as theirs through stealing Peter and claiming he is yours.

Whereas, Peter is an Isrealite and Catholicism is a Roman institution.

And stealing and not declaring the Truth and not giving honour to whom it is due are all anti Christian and anti bible activities.

Not to talk of your church now raising it's own version of anti biblical activities.

These are the basis of their invalidation.

And no you know you Lie (see you are doing what your church does) in saying a few bad eggs. Whereas you have millions and millions of bad eggs.

And I have given you the opportunity to bring the proper and valid evidence to prove that claim of your church but you do not have it. Which is still the same result I got when I checked for it. Thus, I dismiss it because of its absence of Truth Full and valid evidence.

I have told you severally that it is hearsay evidence which is absolutely not admissible and acceptable

btoks:
You can see seeds of what Jesus established here:
Luke 10:16
“He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.”

Matt16:18–19
“You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven...”

Matt 18:17-
“If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.”

Research how the early church functioned. Unfortunately you can't get all the info from sola scriptura because the NT came out within a living church with its structures and tradition already in place.

Do you understand that this does not make sense? For Enckakar, Ogboni, Jw, 7th day Adventist do this too?

And this is not to forget that your church committed atrocities which are called crimes against humanity. Is it Jesus Who sent them to those things?

As I said 'by their fruits ye shall know them"!

Anyway, all these are a departure from post and the bottom line is that the Catholic church does not have any valid proof and evidence of their claim. Thank you

btoks:
Well, you still haven't answered the question and thus evading.
Jesus established one church (not a church building) and that's clear in the scriptures and in early Christianity. Those who were not in communion with this church were regarded as false teachers, heretics or schismatics.

As I said, the closest I will get in answering this question is that "by their fruits ye shall know them"!

The bold was not part of what Jesus established.

btoks:
I need to know what this truth is. Where is this church of God that you refer to? Don't evade again

I am sure you expect me to mention any of the denominations you know whereas did the disciples really have a church that they went to every Sunday? No.

The closest answer that I will give to this question is, "by their fruits ye shall know them"!

NSNO:
God does not hate women, stop twisting the Bible to justify your misogyny.

His Wrath on them proves otherwise inspite of your denials

chieveboy:
Son of Jehovah, answer the question.

Since ye know that I am a son of God then ye know that I would never tell you the answer for righteousness have no fellowship with the children of Satan

mrsqueen:
By Pastor Kingsley Asian
Now Here are 10 EXPANDED, SCRIPTURE-SOAKED PROOFS “Jesus hates poverty and never visited the poor in their houses.”

1. JESUS CAME TO DELIVER THE POOR — NOT TO SIT DOWN IN POVERTY WITH THEM[
Luke 4:18 says: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor…”

No need for long argument

Thank God you confess that He is sent to the poor.

So I ask, are the poor found in Maitama, Banana island, Lekki phase 1?

Even your running away reply already concedes to this point.

"The poor were never meant to be Jesus’ final destination".

And here you snakily changed the argument from the issue poor to the issue of destination.

mrsqueen:
2. JESUS NEVER ENTERED A POOR MAN’S HOUSE — ONLY THE RICH AND INFLUENTIAL

Throughout His earthly ministry, Jesus ministered to the poor, fed the poor, and loved the poor, but He never entered or dwelt in the house of a poor man.

Again. Thank God you confess that Jesus was with the poor to the point that He Fed them.

So, I ask where do the poor stay and in whose house did He find them and fed them?

And with whom did He spend His time (dwell) most with between the poor and the rich?

Among whom was He found with when He was evilly arrested, prosecuted and put to death, was it the rich or the poor?

Whom did He call "my friends" was it the rich or the poor?

With this few points of mine now you must real eyes that your people did not speak well at all. And that even if the mind behind this post was well meaninged, it still fell into evil.

chieveboy:
Yea, and I am a liar for saying such. But when I discovered I was a liar, I remembered the Bible said someone will not die till Jesus returns. It also said John will come back to Earth. I now asked that since Jesus had not returned yet where is the person?

Is the Bible too a liar like me?

See how you prove that you are true son of Satan?

Now because it is clear that you are a Liar now you have stretched forth your evil hands to dirtify the bible and drag it down along with you.

And because you are so full of Satan and evil you never knew what Christians knew.

Thus just like Satan you shall be in ever lasting Fire for your sins shall never ever be forgiven from the day of your birth to forever not-ending.

btoks:
I do hope you can find the truth and I think eventually your eyes will open with a sincere open heart.
It's up to you to say the Catholic church is not of God and the church certainly doesn't you or anyone individual to validate it. Its records already speak itself. It'll be interesting to know which church is of God!

By doubting we are led to question, by questioning we arrive at the truth. - Peter Abelard

And so I have found the Truth and my eyes are open which is why I have asked you questions and you could not answer them.

Thereby proving that your Catholic church is not a church that belongs to God!

btoks:
I don't really know or understand where you're going with questioning the church’s missionary work over the centuries.
All I know is you're trying to eat after soup don ready.

You already got my point.

btoks:
No it doesn't, which is precisely why sacred tradition and magisterium are also required for the bible to be properly understood within context and upheld.

I said "satisfies that level of query and evidence" you are talking of people's "understanding". So wrong match.

btoks:
From our back and forth, it's also clear you've offered no solid reason for believing what's in the Bible. When I asked you before. You responsded-

Off Point! The topic is not about reason for believing what's in the Bible.

But about you giving valid and admissible proof of how Peter came to arrive in Rome to the point of being murdered in an upside down cross

And from our back and forth the only evidence you people have is very bad hearsay evidence

Thus, you could not prove the Truth of the Catholic church's claim by any valid evidence.

So don't try changing the argument.

duro4chang:
Christians will not go to hell. Christianity is not by name or denomination. Not even a title. Going to church does not qualify You to be called a Christian. You can even be called pastor, prophet, evangelist etc and yet not a Christian. A Christian is a person who has repented of his sin, accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior and then follow Jesus without going back to sin.

Issa GoaL!!!!

btoks:
Come on!! You’re asking for a level of evidence that even the most documented ancient events can’t meet. We’re talking about the 1st century, when written records were rare, mostly lost and controlled by the ruling class. If we applied your standard to all history, we’d have to throw out most of what we know about ancient history...

And this is why the bible excels above others and is the most beautiful Truth Full Story of the past.

Because it satisfies to a great portion that level of query and evidence.

btoks:
Wow, showing up after soup don ready!! Where were the Adeboyes when early missionaries were trekking through deserts, facing beatings, shipwrecks and prison just to preach Christ? There wasn’t modern evangelism. No phones. No planes. No hotels. Just raw faith and fire.

Don’t compare today’s Redeemed convenience to the grind of the early church. The foundation was laid in pain.

Was it Peter and co who did all the trekking for The Word to go round the world? So Philip trekked to Ethiopia to start the church there? Ahan, don't lose your sense of good reasoning.

btoks:
You can't judge the entire Catholic Church by the failings of a few. With more than 1.3billion members, some do leave and sadly become atheists but that happens in all denominations...

Sorry, I can and do because even before I judged them others have been doing so but I did not think that their judgement was right until I did my own check.

And of course my judgement is not restricted to the Catholic church alone. But the topic is about the Catholic church, so my comments here are restricted to them alone.

And sadly it is the other way round, only a scant few people of whatever religious preference can truly be described as Christ likes. And as people have overflogged every other person falls short

https://www.nairaland.com/7943406/there-almost-no-true-christians#127522939

https://www.nairaland.com/1257876/went-nigeria-could-not-find#15247650

NSNO:
Where did God tell you that he has special hatred for girls?

I have written much on this and pointed out the many obvious things that we all have seen eg do you not see how they are more Cursed than men and suffer even much more than men?

Why do you think it is so?

https://www.nairaland.com/8305216/see-why-god-hates-women

https://www.nairaland.com/8261533/mothers-women-cannot-bear-virgins

https://www.nairaland.com/8316478/now-see-why-women-hate

Odebayo4010:
Understand that you are not the only man that likes good thing.

The more beautiful she is, the more she's attractive to countless number of men.

Trust me, she will always have high traffic of men toasting her up and down and middle.

You can't stop that bro.

You will try to fight them all to protect her but you can't.

This is a strong disadvantage.

You will always be insecure.

2. It's not difficult for her to cheat on you.

With the amount of men throwing themselves on her, it will be very easy for her to give in to one of those guys cheaply...

Is it ok if she gives herself out expensively?

How fickle!
Now you forget that he's a homo sodomite!

Well, God doesn't!

helinues:
Death is inevitable. Whether you crawl or hide...

This is a Departure from Post. Death is just one of the several destinations a person can choose to arrive at whether earlier or later.

And the topic is about destinations

helinues:
The criminals who are destined to be so can't be questioned or judged based on your own interpretation of the meaning of destiny.

And I have been saying that we are all judged based on the fact that each and every person in the same circumstance responded in that same way. In law, it is called the "Objective Reasonable man's test! End of Story

chieveboy:
No, we're talking of identification for now. How we will identify Napoleon when he returns and so on. Failure to do so means the point is a "lie" according to you.

You are just changing post up and down.

The fact remains that you have still not given us anyone who died recently in camera as you said who recently died and you saw living again on the earth.

helinues:
Someone who is destined to die in a particular day would still die whether he climbed Kilimanjaro or stay at home. Don't smoke this, don't smoke that, why should those who are not smoking at all still be having cancer while some chain smoker don't ha e the same cancer?

And yet we see people successfully avoiding death everyday. You are just moving post from one to another.

helinues:
You can't be for real, even if that's not a story, isn't that something we can all relate to? Don't we have the strong and cowards amongnst us?

You don't want to admit the flop in your own definition of destiny

If you are destined to do something, then you can't be judged or questioned as you are just obeying orders

Full Truth is not based "something we can relate to" but on the fact of how we reacted when we were in it.

And we all seen that we are destined to many things as we destine to do. Eg it is a person who has destined himself to die,out of all the other destinies he could have chosen that would climb over the balcony of a 12 storey building and put himself into the period he has no control of eg by throwing himself down to the ground.