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Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Might Have Already Taken Place by Dtruthspeaker: 8:44am On May 18, 2025
chieveboy:
I have included your original assertion. If you view my view point on incarnation as lies, perhaps you will do better by pointing us to the person Jesus said will not taste death till he returns.

You will also tell us how we will identify John whom the Bible tells us will return to earth in the last days.
All these are Off Points and Departure from Posts.

Shall not taste death is not reincarnation and shall return which has not yet happened is not reincarnation
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Destiny? Do You Believe In It? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:42am On May 18, 2025
helinues:
Again, you are wrong.

There is a story about a cockroach buzzing around in a restaurant, it fell on 2 customers which caused some drama, but when it fell on the waiter, the waiter was calm, monitor the cockroach and picked it then threw it away.

Same situation but different reaction. Would you compare someone with slowpoke with someone with no disorder?
You are still wrong and your dodging the Truth and real eyeities I have advanced already proves.

It is known that stories can tell lies But The Truth is seen in when people are put in exactly the same circumstance another person was in.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 8:28am On May 18, 2025
AngelicBeing:
Hahaha, Wikes Grace but going to Elrufais house, hahaha, Una go kill person with laugh for nairaland Hahahaha 😂
grin
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Destiny? Do You Believe In It? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:27am On May 18, 2025
helinues:
All brains are not functioning same remember Your definition of good or bad depends on how your brain would translate the meaning to you
Everyone's brain functions the same proven by the fact that when they are put in that same circumstance, they gave the same response and answer that everyone gives eg you won't find anyone who has drunk a full coke bottle of hypo laughing in joy and refusing people to stop them from arriving at their destination of death
Christianity Etc › Re: Update On My Pastor's Daughter, Leaked Video. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:22am On May 18, 2025
OnuChuks:
How? Please explain, so Jesus won't Forgive her because of the Video came online or what.

The guy who was banished from the church in 1 Corinthians for Adultery was restored to the church in 2 Corinthians,
why is her case different?

Repent o
The Right of Forgiveness is exclusively at the reserve and full discretion of the forgiver. Exactly as a husband's family may forgive a wife's cheating but, it still remains at the reserve and right of the husband to forgive her.

And God hates fornication especially those committed by girls.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Destiny? Do You Believe In It? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:17am On May 18, 2025
helinues:
Your last paragraph contradict the first one. Someone destined to do something mean the person has no choice than to obey.

Someone destined to be hired killer shouldn't be judged as he was destined to be so
No True.
I definitely said that destiny is all about destination and arrival whether good or bad or evil.

Thus, it is only if you have done a thing which you cannot reverse eg a person falling from a 12 storey building, or a person who has drunk a full coke bottle of hypo that is the only period that a person can be said to have no choice.

But before the jumping from the 12 storey and the drinking of the hypo, he had a choice and could choose several other destinies.

Thus someone destined to be a hired killer chose and destine himself to be one.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Destiny? Do You Believe In It? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:09am On May 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
There is nothing like destiny God never destined anyone it's Adam and Eve that brought trouble into the world ..
Destiny exists. God like many good parents destine their children to be lawyers, doctors, car makers etc lawfully travelling around the world but God has also made it that the children still have a right and power to destinate themselves eg they can land in hospitals, prisons or the grave.

All these are still within the bounds of destiny
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Destiny? Do You Believe In It? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:01am On May 18, 2025
helinues:
Destiny can't be real because if they do, then we don't need to question the criminals who are destined to commit crime
Destiny is real. But none-learned people do not real eyes that destiny is all about destination and arrival at destination whether good or bad.

Thus, a person who decides to commit a crime has already chosen his destination
Christianity Etc › Re: Update On My Pastor's Daughter, Leaked Video. by Dtruthspeaker: 7:57am On May 18, 2025
You know you are talking raw bish, right?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 7:53am On May 18, 2025
AngelicBeing:
, ,

If you are not a Catholic, they won't allow you to take their communion , nawao sad
That is only of course for persons looking to take the Catholic grace like a person looking for Wike's grace will now go to El Rufai's house.
Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Might Have Already Taken Place by Dtruthspeaker: 7:46am On May 18, 2025
chieveboy:
Your point on me not having seen these characters hence not having existed is like you saying since I have not my father's father, then he did not exist. How elementary could that reasoning be?

It gets more alarming when you include people like Napoleon and Hitler in the list who existed in the era of cameras. It does things to our sense of 'nawa o'.
See, how you prove you are Liar and a person who loves Lies and Deceits

Every reasonable person can see that my point was to see whether you could tell us the Truth and give us conclusive proof of persons everyone whom we all know that they had Truly died eg Napoleon, Hitler, Hammurabi, Mohammed.

I will now add Abacha, Adisa, Atagha, Junior Pope etc (at least we now have cameras today) whether you have seen any of them living on the earth after they died.

So it is fraudulent of you to change the question into whether I asked if your grandfather existed, because you already know that you are speaking lies on this reincarnation sheet
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 7:31am On May 18, 2025
btoks:
Chai see the height of taken events for granted!!
Jesus commanded his disciples to go into all the world. And they did.
Did they not already go into the world when Jesus sent them Mathew 10?

Did it take Adeboye to be physically present in every place where the Redeemed Church is before they could establish his church there? Please do not catfish.
Christianity Etc › Re: See Catholic Lie! Man Who Said Peter Died Upside Down Is Questionable. by Dtruthspeaker(op): 7:15am On May 18, 2025
Thanks to btoks, I have obtained the necessary correction that takes me towards the Truth, for I was searching for the person who said Peter died upside down but was led to Eusebius and Jerome whom because both are bearing Eusebius, I thought that they are one and the same person, hence this thread.

Thus, it is clear that the person this thread identifies as fictitious is Jerome of Stridon.

Meanwhile I was searching for the person (witness) who said that Peter was killed in an upside down cross to see if he answered or can answer questions I have to ask.

And now thanks to btoks, I can see that the person I am looking for is a person called Eusebius of Caesarea.

So, I ask him,...

btoks:
As you don't know, Eusebius of Caesarea was a real historical figure known as the Father of Church History(260 to 339AD) and was Bishop of Caesarea
His most famous work(Ecclesiastical History) was written around 311AD and specifically mentions Peter’s martyrdom in Rome.
If you're saying Eusebius "does not exist," then I seriously question the integrity of your so-called investigation.
When and where Peter was arrested?

Before whom (court) was he tried and found guilty of death;

Who and who was there when all these was happening?

How did he get to be there to see all these things he claimed he saw happen?

There is no independent report anywhere else of anyone corroborating any of these things.

So how come he is the only one who said he saw all these things?

And the reports do not say that he is the hangman/execution nor that it was his house or land that was used as the execution grounds, so how did he get a "private viewing" which nobody saw

Like the murder of The LORD, Jesus Christ, executions are always carried out in public, so how come Peter's own was not done in the open public so that there would be many witnesses, if it is to be believed?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 7:07am On May 18, 2025
btoks:
As you don't know, Eusebius of Caesarea was a real historical figure known as the Father of Church History(260 to 339AD) and was Bishop of Caesarea
His most famous work(Ecclesiastical History) was written around 311AD and specifically mentions Peter’s martyrdom in Rome.
If you're saying Eusebius "does not exist," then I seriously question the integrity of your so-called investigation.
My investigation took me through the road of Eusebius and Jerome whom because both are bearing Eusebius, I thought that they are the same person. But now I see your Eusebius of Caesarea, who wrote ecclesiastical history as different from Jerome who wrote Vulgate.

And it is Jerome who is from Stridon who has that question mark as determined by the Jewish Encyclopaedia.

Meanwhile I was searching for the person (witness) who said that Peter was killed in an upside down cross to see if he answered the questions I have to ask

Thus you have taken me to my target and now the question follows your Eusebius of Caesarea, which is

When and where Peter was arrested?

Before whom (court) was he tried and found guilty of death;

Who and who was there when all these was happening?

How did he get to be there to see all these things he claimed he saw happen?

There is no independent report anywhere else of anyone corroborating any of these things.

So how come he is the only one who said he saw all these things?

And the reports do not say that he is the hangman/execution nor that it was his house or land that was used as the execution grounds, so how did he get a "private viewing" which nobody saw

Like the murder of The LORD, Jesus Christ, executions are always carried out in public, so how come Peter's own was not done in the open public so that there would be many witnesses, if it is to be believed?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 6:21am On May 18, 2025
btoks:
I laugh cheesy cheesy because what you just called hearsay is exactly what historians call primary and early secondary source material.
True! Reports about the past is based on hearsay, However, even those same historians go ahead to confirm that reaffirm THE TRUTH of a report by giving further "Corroborating Evidence".

And when they find a report which is not true, rather than directly say so because of the liability of being sued, they rather say "however they could not find any evidence to suggest if indeed this case actually happened"

Which clearly means that even the historians could not find any evidence to prove that a report is True.

Thus, historians are only confidently confirming that a report has been given. But they do not stand confirm in a report is True. Even in the ones that they report that saw corroborative evidence, we can all see that they do not even stand on it as conclusive Truth, thereby leaving everyone to come to whatever conclusion of Truth or Lies that they want

Therefore, historians are not Agents of Truth, they are just reporters and reporters of reporters.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 5:54am On May 18, 2025
btoks:
May your gloating not lead you into deeper error. Taking the Body of Christ unworthily is not a light matter, it’s something scripture directly warns against in 1 Cor 11:27–29:

Mocking or dismissing it doesn’t erase the gravity of the act .
My intention is not to gloat but to point out that the Catholic system is not of God. Sorry, it had to be said.

If you remember, it was also preached that you must eat the communion so that a person must be saved, and I wanted to be saved, so no one can say that I took it unworthily.

And the bottom line is that, I saw I was still in hot trouble and still the same person I was even when I had not taken it.

And if not that I already knew that the bible was true and that I have already seen God first hand, this disappointment would have definitely made me stupidly say that there is no God.

Only to grow up and see that the majority of atheists are people who grew up in the Catholic as I also saw it was here in Nairaland too and I even raised a thread on it.

https://www.nairaland.com/7600700/why-catholic-church-evil-majority#121547568

So, you see, any observant person can see that, that church is doing a lot of under ground evil for a place already marked with doing so many evil atrocities, so how can anyone not reasonable think and see that they must also resort to Lying? Of which it is now known that they are capable of Lying eg

The Herald-Mail
https://www.heraldmailmedia.com
Lies and cover-ups: Catholic church in Pennsylvania had ' ...16 Aug 2018 — Lies and cover-ups: Catholic church in Pennsylvania had 'playbook'

So, how can any reasonable person not think that they could be Lying in many other things they said?
Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Might Have Already Taken Place by Dtruthspeaker: 8:36pm On May 17, 2025
chieveboy:
I am not sure you have your information intact on these characters sir.

We learn everyday...
Are you about to tell us that you have seen Napoleon, Hitler, Hammurabi, Mohammed living on the earth after they died?

Note Google still records they are dead and have not returned
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 8:34pm On May 17, 2025
AngelicBeing:
l concur with you, for instance, l can Walk into any Pentecostal or Charismatic church and receive HOLY COMMUNION but I won't be allowed to receive Holy communion in Catholic Church except l am a Catholic, like seriously, shocked
This is you even being honest. I took their holy communion a coupla times even when I never went to catechism classes, and baptism and confirmation.

I felt then that as long as I had chosen Catholic church and I attended mass then I could take it. And I took it. And I never even went for Saturday's confessions.

And funny in my days they did not say those prohibitory words of "if you are not baptized in the Catholic church..."

And in all these, me and my fellow Catholic friends and people remained the same evil people we all know who NO ONE WOULD CALL A CHRISTIAN!

So, in truth, all these are sheets.

The bible makes it clear who a good person is and those who are not.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 8:23pm On May 17, 2025
btoks:
I do hope you'll keep an open mind and research deeply with solid responses, as the "common sense" argument or resorting to modern comparison with APC or saying "bad bad hearsay......" holds absolutely no water against historical fact.
I've given you evidence for why Peter was in Rome, you instead say common sense says he wasn't there. I stated to you that you will find no early church proof of your claim. A strong evidence would be early christians or any groups at the time stating that Peter wasn't in Rome. Even the Eastern Orthodox knows Peter was in Rome.
You've also given a very weak argument as to why you believe the bible books at all!!! I'll just repeat, this book didn't fall out of the sky. Research and find out information.
An open mind does not mean that every thing should enter it.

Logic and Reason dictates that only valid things should enter one's mind.

And hearsay evidence has always been an evidence nobody accepts.

And when a matter is True it is proven by valid and irrefutable evidence.

You gave no evidence. All you did was to say that someone else eg Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Eusebius said that...

And that is classical bad hearsay evidence.

Of which I investigated your Eusebius and did a thread on him, and guess what? He does not exist.

https://www.nairaland.com/8412421/see-catholic-lie-man-said#135173890

So, here we have one of your witnesses who claimed Peter died upside down, yet, no one can find him.

When a person caught with stolen property points out a witness whom nobody can find, no one believes his testimony and he is taking as the thief.

Same thing here.

btoks:
A strong evidence would be early christians or any groups at the time stating that Peter wasn't in Rome.
I don't think it has occurred to you that Christ never left the land of Isreal yet His Words have reached Ekwulobia. So also it is not necessary for Peter to leave Isreal before the Roman ruler Constantine decided to subscribe to the little Isrealite religion called Christianity.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 7:55pm On May 17, 2025
AngelicBeing:
Hian, LoL at Judas Iscariot got married to an igbo girl shocked and Lazarous Muoka leaves Nigeria to be the Head of Pentecostal churches in Afghanistan, Hehehehe, una go kill person with laugh for nairaland Hahahaha 😂🤣
Exactly! Dat na why the Catholic claim no make sense at all. E no enter.
Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Might Have Already Taken Place by Dtruthspeaker: 7:51pm On May 17, 2025
chieveboy:
Also "not being qualified" is a corner the deceiver have pushed a lot of people so as to generate fear.

Advanced information tells you that the ultimate God cannot regret making man and cannot be angry.

The earth is designed to experience calamities and troubles like the apocalypse, but remains the best school for Souls to learn the qualities of divine love and move in to his rightfully place as a manifested Son of God.

So even if the earth is turned upside down, it will always house Souls who dare to incarnate on earth.
Eternity means perpetuity.
The mere fact that no one has seen nor identified Napoleon, Hitler, Hammurabi, Mohammed etc since they died proves all these you say are just your wishes.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 7:48pm On May 17, 2025
btoks:
Your analogy is very weak here and continues to reveal a very limited understanding of how things worked in early Christianity.and the fact that Peter met our Lord Jesus.

If you insist on “solid proof” for everything, then you’re opening a can of worms that cuts through the very heart of the Christian faith. For example, where’s your “solid proof” that:

Jesus turned water into wine?
Peter walked on water?
Lazarus was raised from the dead?pl
The resurrection happened?
The Holy Spirit descended like tongues of fire?

These are all accepted as truth by faith and supported by historical witness and Church tradition not by modern courtroom style evidence...
I believe you understand what I am saying. Even here in Nairaland we see posts that require reasonable proof as different from posts which are too wild that they would require solid proof. Which is where this issue of Peter lies on.

And I do not want to raise argument of what faith is but even by the same natural common sense, those examples are easily explained hence why they are accepted and acceptable even by a person who does not know what faith is.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 4:13pm On May 17, 2025
AngelicBeing:
let me buzz into this discussion, they said that Apostle Peter was the First Catholic Pope, Apostle Peter was married, but how come all the other subsequent Popes that came after Peter till date, were not married, abi na fabricated story, and there's no scriptural backing, to suggest that Apostle Peter was the First Pope, abi this are all man made church doctrine, and again we have just the 5 Fold Ministry, nothing like Cardinal, ArcBishop or Pope etc sad
Abraham had a wife when God called him, Christianity is not determined by marital status.

Thus it is reasonable to hindsee and state that Peter and the disciples were married.

But if anyone comes out to say that Judas married one ibo girl from Aguleri, serious solid proof must be shown.

That is the same thing here. Catholics need to show valid proof of how an konk Isrealite born and bred only in Isreal and who speaks only the Jew tongue will now leave the land of his birth and safety to go to his enemy's land to live there.

Exactly like saying that because of Islamization of Nigeria, Lazarus Mouka will now leave Nigeria to go and live in Afghanistan. Is this possible?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 3:55pm On May 17, 2025
btoks:
you want to discard church father evidence!! ?
Yes.
Exactly how APC is accused of Lying and an APC supporter comes to say that it is not a lie but is true because Oshiomhole said it.
That is a very very bad evidence.

btoks:
How exactly do you believe in the bible books?
Exactly how we read the posts here and we know those which are true from those which are stories.

btoks:
This is where Sola Scriptura falls short. Bible doesn’t claim to give us every single detail historical detail
It is not reasonable for anyone to imagine that the bible would state every single detail of the lives of the people it reported. Eg that one day Peter had a runny nose or that Joseph had to poop!

We all have the common sense to fill in the gaps. So don't make it look like we are contending based on sola scriptura or ex sola scriptura.

The argument is based on simple ordinary natural and common sense and the validity of the evidence given.

And evidence you have given which is basically hearsay evidence is a very very bad and invalid one.

btoks:
I'll urge you to keep researching with an open mind and you'll find that Christian history is much deeper and richer than Sola Scriptura allows.
My mind is open but any claim made must be backed by valid and irrefutable evidence exactly how comments demand proof from posters here before their claims are accepted as true
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 6:26am On May 17, 2025
btoks:
Nothing like common sense to refute a historical fact almost 2000 years after the event!!
There are many quotes of church fathers closer to the time that talk about Peter's matrydom in Rome...

Note that no ancient source claims Peter was buried in Judea or Israel
Do you not see the fall of this statement? The church is accused of Lying and you are saying the church's father's" said it? Like saying APC is lying then an APC supporter says that it is true because Oshiomhole said it. That is a very very bad evidence.

Also, note that the bible does not tell is where the Isrealites eg Mathew, James, Jude, Joseph, Nicodemus etc were buried. But we have common to reasonably tell us that they must have been buried in the land of Isreal according to their tradition.

btoks:
My age doesn't matter. People have questions everywhere, even in the holy land!
Oddly enough, I remember reading that eaxct thread back in 2013 and just laughing off the ignorance. You're relying on a NL post to determine the supposed lies the Catholic church has told!! All those rejoinders have been debunked over centuries and even here on NL. Do some research and understand catholic teaching not rely on hear say. Common sense doesn't explain a lot about the details of Christian history. Research- Research- Research!!!
My points were many people in southern Nigeria have Catholic roots and we have seen the claims the Catholic church made and the irregularities there are in them and thus questions have been raised.

And I did not rely on the post cited I only gave it as an ensample that people have identified several irregularities claimed by the church like me and in line with this thread is the No 17 in that post.

And you say they were debunked but this thread clearly shows that you do not have a valid answer proving this claim to be true.

All you have given is the popular bad and not acceptable evidence called "Hearsay Evidence"

So, this claim of Peter died in Rome and was buried remains A Lie, in absence of valid undisputable and unimpeachable evidence
Romance › Re: Do You See Why Sometimes Women Give You. by Dtruthspeaker(op): 10:21pm On May 16, 2025
See another one!

"I ripped away their childhood" Teacher admits.

The DA stated in a press release that Ma groomed one of her minor students for more than a year before performing s£xual acts on him at the age of 12.

In 2020, Ma s£xually assaulted another boy aged 11 at the time. She continued to groom both young boys “with gifts, food and special attention”

https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2025/5/i-ripped-away-their-childhood-teacher-admits-as-shes-sentenced-to-30-years-for-spsxually-abusing-students.html
Romance › Re: What Is Your Take On This Pictures? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:59pm On May 16, 2025
shinaola21:
🌺

Fear this gender my brother
Fo.ulls will never hear
Romance › Re: What Is Your Take On This Pictures? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:58pm On May 16, 2025
Samantha125:
It's this type of girls that settle down real quick... While their mates would still be in tertiary furthering their education, they'd be getting married to well established men... I had four classmates who were like this back in high school and by the time some of us graduated from tertiary, three of them were already married.
Only for 2 to get divorced under 3yrs of marriage and the remaining for the remaining 3, one got beaten and thrown out, the 4th one became an abandoned wife and the last one died
Family › Re: Incredible Moment A Snake Eel Escaped From Heron's Stomach by Dtruthspeaker: 9:50pm On May 16, 2025
See how mumu dey spread mumu
Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Might Have Already Taken Place by Dtruthspeaker: 6:36pm On May 16, 2025
chieveboy:
Its a long butt ride right into the rabbit hole. At the end of the video, I am not sure what a lot of you would think.

We can talk about it here. grin
You want people to talk of something which they know that if Just Is is done, they would not be qualified?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jubilation as new pope is elected (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 6:22pm On May 16, 2025
btoks:
Where, according to you, was Peter buried?
I stand to be corrected but common sense and the tradition of the Israelites already tells me that Peter must be buried somewhere in the land of Isreal because he is an Isrealite, Exactly how it is expected that Buhari must be buried in Nigeria, even if we are not told.

btoks:
Where in history do we have someone say the catholic church is lying. Please be specific, is it the protestant reformers in the 16th centuries that broke away from the church. Was it orthodox in the the 1054AD Great Schism, the last 100 with evangelicals and pentecostals ?please clarify .
I don't know how old you might be but you may not know that most southerners are Catholic and have Catholic basis by virtue of the proliferation of the Catholic church. So we have seen many things and have heard many things and have heard both the salient questions and queries vs the ridiculous and untrue ones. And what you don't know is that many of us refused to believe it at the first, but deep down they gnawed on our hearts and disturbed our spirits. Thereby creating the need to check for confirmation and verification.

Thus, I am not the first to note that there are irregularities with the claims of the Catholic church.

https://www.nairaland.com/1540773/51-lies-propagated-roman-catholic#19956939 -See no.17.

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