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stagger:
Oga, drop this matter. Tithing is important, but it has no relevance to whether you make heaven or not. Giving alone does not guarantee wealth. You must work, engage in income generation via exchange of high value skills, products and services.

You are an adult with a brain. Jesus is coming soon. Focus on your salvation and prepare for His coming and stop channelling your attention to an unproductive debate.

He is clearly jealous of the great riches those fake pastors have especially as he does not have it and it is only on nairaland that he has his church members.

And he cannot collect tithe here so as to be rich like those people flying private jets and building, their own personal information airport. Clearly Oyedepo's airport is paining him to his soul.

GothamCities:
Okay, I don't think I've seen that. Verse 25 of which chapter?

1 Samuel 15: 24/25.

GothamCities:
No, God didn't tell anybody anything. Everyone was guided by their conscience at the time. There was no particular law of God given to man before Moses. Please state the verses and chapters highlighting such laws if you have any.

Now you get my point that Cain was judged for murder and the people of Noah's time up were judged for doing evil even though as you erroneously thought that there was no law.

This is where you learn that even if God had not Spoken out The Law, man already knew them and was judged on them.

GothamCities:
I don't think this is correct. Paul didn't address the issue of polygamy in any of his writings.

Stop taking things out of scope. i said Paul warned in Romans, 2:14, Nature already lets us know The Law and i showed you how we all naturally know that polygamy is evil in that, none of us told out first wife when we were courting her that she was never going to be our only wife. That's all.

GothamCities:
Angels were never born, so angels don't know anything called birthright. You need to be born to have a birthright.

Stop acting like you are completely stupid or not schooled

Every one knows that when you are created, you are also birthed.

Merriam Webster dictionary
verb
birthed; birthing; births
transitive verb
1 chiefly dialectal : to bring forth.

GothamCities:
He had a choice my brother. He could decide to maintain Leah. No one forced Rachael on him.

See how you and Satan are the best same? If in your office, you were promised to be given the 2008 Camry and instead, they gave you Volvo 244 on some excuse and promise that if you rework your work, they would now give you the Camry. Everyone knows no one would stop and accept the Volvo, not even you yet see your wicked advice.

GothamCities:
It isn't my thought. It's in the Bible. God was no longer talking to Abraham while lot was with him. Perhaps because of the feud and dissension among their herdsmen. Then when Lot left for Sodom, the Bible says in Genesis 13:14.

Are you going mad? i have pointed out the very spot where we see God never speaks to Abraham which was after his Sarah's death and he went sinning and yet you are still talking about the Lot.

Clearly, you can not aaddress this so you resort to feigning madness by trying to switch it to Lot.

Clear proof you yourself see that you are talking rubbish.

GothamCities:
Not on the basis of polygamy or monogamy. It was on the basis of the pious life which they lived.

See it. Pious is not the same as blameless and righteous living. So again you are full of wrongness.

Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
adjective
1.devoutly religious.

GothamCities:
Oh, David had several wives but God called him "a man after my own heart"

See, you are talking rubbish for this was even said when David was righteous like Daniel and Job and co and was not even married yet,

You obviously, have not read the bible. You are just following the stupid brainwashed bandwagon who themselves don't read the bible and have allowed Satan's proests and pastors to deceive them.

As i said it is clear you have run out of the reasonability and fairness data.

GothamCities:
Yeah, I clearly understand your point. We cannot compare Moses's case with that of Saul. God forgave Moses but He didn't forgive Saul because Saul never asked for forgiveness. Moses on the hand did seek forgiveness and got it. Otherwise, God would have cast him out as Her did Saul.

Did you not see Saul repents asked for the forgiveness in verse 25?

So you see my argument stands.
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GothamCities:
He didn't tell Abraham or anyone not to marry from Canaan. There was no such covenant in the days of Abraham and Esau.

Your emphasis was on polygamy. There was no outright law of God that forbade them marrying more than one wife or marrying from Canaan.

Did you see any where God told Cain do not murder? or do you see where God told the people before Noah that they should not do evils eg kill, steal, prostitute, witchcraft, idolatry, adultery etc?

As Paul warned in Romans, 2:14, Nature already taught us to know that we know The Law and that polygamy is evil as proven by the fact that when we were courting our first wife, no where did we tell her that she would be our first wife. We rather even give her the impression that she would be our only wife. So my, brother,we already knew God's Laws even before God Spelt them out in Writing.

GothamCities:
His birthright is a different issue from his marital life.

Birthright is what damned the Angels who left their birthright estate.

GothamCities:
But no one forced two wives on him.

He was forced. And force is not only physical harm

GothamCities:
No. God continued to speak with Abraham. It was only his association with Lot that made God stop talking to him for a while. Immediately after Lot left for Sodom, God started talking with Abraham and gave him great promises.

See how dodged to Lot issue, in which there was no wrong there at all, whereas i pointed out the clear spot where God completely stops talking to Abraham when he did a wrong which as you yourself have proved, you are holding on to him on that wrongdoing.

Whereas, there are 3 people who scored God's score of "Perfect" to wit, Noah, Daniel, Job and not David nor Abraham nor Jacob.

Andthis except for Daniel, these had one wife. No sin the or adultery imputed and to any of these but you people who will not see these to hold and use for the perfect ensample of God's approved Wimners and Champions who have no blemish in line with God's Commandment!

Rather you choose men who are blameworthy and guilty of wrongdoing. whereas God commanded blamelessness and the Noah, Daniel and Job are the perfect ensamples.

JagabanBorgu:
You have issues with basic understanding so I am thinking understanding the law is a tall order for you.
I said clearly "the court is all about you proving your case", can u prove your case without talking and bringing evidence?
How can the listen to what you didn't say?
U need to take comprehension classes before coming online so u stop typing sh!.t about the legal system.

See how you flew off point addressing what was not raised while leaving the one raised.

For you clearly said "the law don't listen to your sentiments" and here you are talking off point.

Clearly, on top of your lack of knowing law, you lack many many simple and basic understanding. You need to go back to get both understanding and comprehension teachings so thatI you would learn that you do not answer "Akpan went to school" to a question asking "Did Akpan eat the food?"

Kingsnairaland:
You are funny no argument on a truth

Correction a god not a God

as i said, you are just here to continue that stupid trinity anti trinity madness.

Kingsnairaland:
You call Me master and lord, and you say well, because that is what I am.

John 13:13 (New King James Version) says, "You call Me Teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am."

Jesus told you he is both here read it

It is clearly written by The LORD is "our God.".

And He told us that heaven and earth has been given to Him which you can see in Genesis..

So as i said, you are just here to continue thst stupid trinity anti trinity madness.

Kingsnairaland:
My friend

God is all in one and one in all

Only God can speak and you will be able to see his voice

Nna, The child of God, is a God! no argument here. You are obviously looking for trinity and anti trinity people to argue foolishly.

See Liar. no where did he praise the economy in your report.

Una no understand English again? Is it not clear especially as He even Said that He does not do His own will?

JagabanBorgu:
The buIk of Nigerians are iIIitrates when it comes to the matters of the law, the court is all about you proving your case, if you can't prove your case you can't win in a court room, the law don't listen to your sentiments.

Even you too do not know the Law, else you would have been known that the Law listens to everything and weighs them appropriately.

It is legal and evil men who do not listen but do as they already plan to do whether it is right or not. And here you are chanting the stupid legal lie and you did not know.

GothamCities:
God forgave Moses. He continued to commune with him. In fact, it was God who buried Moses by Himself.

Surely, you understand that i do not say that God condemned whole of Moses because of his sin. Every man sins.

But what we can all see is that Moses offended God in something which God did not forgive. And that is the point.

GothamCities:
God didn't tell Esau and his family not to marry from there. That commandment came during the days of Moses. Esau lived long before Moses and had no such commandment.

The Commandment was there even before Moses for God had already told Abraham that Canaan was going to be his because God hated them and was going to destroy the them. That is one of the tenets of the Covenant.

And now Esau went attaching himself to the people God planned on destroying, the very Baalpeor matter, you see occurred again in Moses time and God's Judgment was still the same.

Now you see one of the gravity of Esau's discard of his birth right.

GothamCities:
Remember that Jacob married two wives too. Abraham had a wife and a concubine. David had several wives.

Jacob: Not by his will

Abraham: God never spoke to him to after that unlike before.

David: Was punished far above any man.

The thread is not about polygamy, so leave this issue. Polygamy is addressed in this thread and everything you say and are going to say was said here. And they did not stand.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

https://www.nairaland.com/8077583/polygamist-god-gave-him-wives

https://www.nairaland.com/8079777/polygamy-gods-punishment-fornication-deut

This was clearly in those days when bandits henchmenthe were visibl. Today they are unknown gunmen

Antoeni:
Lawyers Are Liars,
The Highest Bidding Get Justice.
The Judiciary Has Been Compromised

The legal system is itself a Lie and it is still them who created these people you see call me lawyers.

Whereas, their true name is "legallers"

See even the thread is asking for "legal experts" and not for Law Experts.

Tayorshd87:
Good one .
At least it will promote smooth operation in the field

Joke of the millennium

BoldBrainz:
A Nigerian Police Officer who understands the rudiments of law is a dangerous weapon fashioned against every innocent hard-working Nigerian out there and just waiting to prosper.

Instead of the Lawyer helping to sanitize the policing system, he'll rather become more corrupt and vicious than the AK-47 caressing Olokpa out in the streets.

Make una sha no talk say I no early warn una!

Law students are deceived that they are being taught Law whereas, it is legal that is being taught.
https://www.nairaland.com/6989896/lawyers-not-deceit#110283265

That is why you see they have brainwashed you to think and say "legal this, legal that, illiegal"

Whereas legal is not Law!

So everyone is already spinning in this vortex of fake and unlawful law your bandit kings called politicians have created to deceive you people into letting them rule over you.

This is because you think "legal" means Law whereas legal means Rulers Command.

So what you see going on is,exactly what the Rulersa (king's) Legal system has created and all these are created to serve the King's will and purposes eg the Tax bill coming out.

Legal is only tapping from Law exactly how one crooked barber in the bush taps electricity from your house.

https://www.nairaland.com/6989896/lawyers-not-deceit#110283265

So, after all my long research i can now confidenttly tell you that "Legal" is not Law, which is why it is full of unlawfulness and lack of just is!

Sirmwill:
You only have a view of God by Earthly principles and standards and by coincidences and not by what he truly represents AS REVEALED THROUGH JESUS

When Christ was teaching us is it not the earthly principles He used? eg
"But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?

or the parable of the king who sent his servants and son?

Not to talk of the fact that we can all see the very special and peculiar things which happened only to them.

Ye discern the sky to know the future eg that many people won't be buying 2025 Camry, so discern ye these things which have already happened to know the past.

And now we see God has said all first born sons are His, so first borns, if you are not on God's Side, you are finished ooo.

Now what i have presented is the good side of the value of the first, there is also the bad side.

And this is where you see Lucifer aka Satan. Clearly there is no one eviler than him and thus it is most interesting that he was nota created evil at the first.

It is even rather that he was even very much highly placed, so the question is what happened to him? And seeing that God only changes people when they have done something whether good or evi, then the first question is what did he do that made God inflict him with a change?

This is where you see that for Satan to have his name changed from Lucifer amd become the king of evil and unrighteousness, he was the first son of God to sin and do unrighteousness. which made God Curse him to become the evil (d' evil like d"day) he did. And it was from there that Satan started growing in evil and causing more evil to be done.

Thus, Satan is who he is because he was the first son of God to sin.

And this is where you see God has special punishment for them to the point that He does not tell us and rather he adjourned sine die their sentencing.

And this is why we see Eve, the first man to sin also had her case adjourned sine die.

Same thing for Cain, the first man murderer.

Same thing for Lamech, the great great great grandson of cain, the first multiple murderer of men and the first polygamist..

Same thing for Esau first born grandson of God's chosen people.

Same thing for Saul, the first king of God's chosen people.

Sirmwill:
I totally disagree with everything you wrote

Interesting! You say you disagree with everything yet you do not present anything to show your disagreement.

So blessed is the first first woman who never oloshod at all throughout her life in this world, she is automatically qualified for new heaven and earth.

And to any girl who may want to achieve this, do note that women are more of your enemy than men, and that the women around you. or who you meet will desperately be and murder fully not allow you to make it.

https://www.nairaland.com/8261533/mothers-women-cannot-bear-virgins

https://www.nairaland.com/7998307/women-always-kill-potential-children

Seeing how women always ensure and encourage other women to join them in the Oloshoing, clearly, it shows that fornication and sex is the forbidden fruit, which killed the whole world

https://www.nairaland.com/7947204/truly-forbidden-fruit-sex

So my heavenly bound girl, take note of these things and take ye up the Sword of God and His Armour that you may fight to win.

And it is better they murder you than for you to change. for you still win and they just gave you early entrance to the Kingdom of God. And this is where it is to you that dying is gain.

Whereas to them, their matter has gottena much more worse than they can kbow if they murder you for God so punishes them with many many evils, which you even see and hear them complaining and crying out and cursing about here on earth and when they die, they shall see that it was better that they were not born than to have been an obstacle in your way.

So fight for o virgin daughter of God for your life and death depends on it.

Then we have Enoch, he must have been so righteous that he beat his fathers, to the point that God took him instead of him dying as his fathers had.

Surely, he was the first to over walk with God.

Same reason why Seth later became valuable but before him, is Abel, the first righteous son of sin full Adam. And now we know the great trouble Cain is in for he is in nearly the same predicament as those who who murdered, The Son of God.

So Seth, became valuable being the first living righteous son of sin filled Adam.

I have always said this before but i see, i have never raised a thread on it, so here it is.

Any one paying good attention to the first bible will see that God has a thing for the First and they are very special to Him.

This is a clear proof why virginity for both males and females is very very important and material in being very valuable and cherished and blessed by God.

And why God would never like nor place any value on fornicators. Fornicators (5)) and oloshos (6) are in the same class even though they are 5 and 6. Liable to the same punishment, though the olosho first will have more.

So, back to the post, the first always have over great value in God's Eyes and they have something very very special attached to them that no other thing of that class will have.

Eg. The LORD, later known as Jesus Christ, is The First Son of God and we can see, every other son and angel, is less than Him. And as great as Lucifer (Satan) was, he was less than The LORD!

Same for male Adam. That is why even though God created the female, Adam, better than him, It was still the male Adam who led and who God held as the man in charge.

And that is why men have a natural authority and rulership over women because, he was the first!

GothamCities:
My brother, repentance is still key in one's dealings with God. A contrite and humble spirit, God will not despise.

God forgave Moses. He only denied him Canaan. Moses continues to be relevant in God's plan for man.

Esau did not commit any sin. He only made a grave mistake of selling his birthright which cannot be refunded. God didn't condemn Esau for any sinful act. He only made a wrong decision in life that affected his generations. He didn't commit any sin per say.

Saul disobeyed, God made Him know He was angry. Instead of humbling himself and repenting, he was concerned about being honored. He didn't stop there, he murdered all the priests of Nob. He also murdered the Gibeonites, breaking a long standing covenant between the Gibeonites and the Israelites. He would also pursue David all his life to murder him. Finally, he practiced necromancy just before he died. He never retraced his steps back to God. He went on sinning and never repented.

Read the Psalms and see how David was Constantly repenting, asking God to try him and search him out.

"Create in me a new heart oh Lord, and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy Presence Oh Lord, take not thine Holy Spirit from me." This was a prayer David prayed after killing the wife of Uriah. Did Saul ever pray like this? No.

"A broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise." — Psalm 51:17.

This verse above emphasizes the importance of humility and a willingness to acknowledge and repent from one's sins. It reassures us that God values and accepts those who approach Him with a humble and contrite heart.

This was one of the secrets of David.

True repentance is very important however, God has shown us that there are things that repentance will not cure.

Do you not see the bible shows that God held Moses to that "speak to the rock affair throughout"? Clearly, God did not forgive that one.

Secondly, you say Esau did not sin? My brother, learn to seek for Truth and stop following the bandwagon. If you followed Truth you would have see what sins Esau committed that got him to be hated by God eg his taking of a wife from the very people which God had already commanded that they must not take from, then he did it twice. (polygamy)

from Google
Why did Esau marry two wives?
In taking two wives, [b]Esau acted the same as the men of the Flood generation, who also took two spouses: [/b]one to provide them with offspring, and the other to provide them with sexual pleasure (see Adah, the wife of Lamech).

And what the bible meant when He Said Esau despised his birth right.

And the bible shows that Esau later understood and had a contrite heart but he could not get forgiveness.

My brother let us walk fearfully that we may never do that which can never be forgiven.

And then aha i see another reason why Saul got damned.

God has a thing for the first just like Adam, Saul was the first king.

Danm i thought I had raised a thread on God has a thing for the first First!

https://www.nairaland.com/8281391/god-thing-first-there-always

Brenbentondiaz:
Saul's sins were a lot worse than David's. For one, David's sin was caused by temptation, and he committed another sin to cover up the first one.
Saul's sin was a direct disobedience of God's instructions...

Not true, he had no temptation in murdering his first wife's children when she obviously left him because of his adulteries and betrayals and God obviously blessed her with children of her own.

David was evil man but he knew many things which Saul took for granted.

GothamCities:
No, that's not it.

David repented as soon as he was shown in error. Saul on the other hand never repented. He was even telling Samuel after Samuel broke the message from God to him "Honour me now before this people". He was proud, David was humble. This is the difference between the two.

Do you know Esau repented? Yet was he not forgiven. Even Moses too.

As you see many people have sinned and they ask for forgiveness and you see this in women but as you see many are not forgiven for and cannot be forgiven.

So it is not about repentance but about not committing a sin God would make God so angry that He would never forgive such a person.

And read it, Saul disobeyed the first time andI God wrote him off but based on the appeal of Samuel, he got a second chance of which Samuel even FORE WARNED him. Yet, saul proved God right again.

"The court also faulted some other parts of the evidence of the prosecution during the trial, which was from a child forensic specialist, a medical doctor from the Mirabel centre and the investigating officer, which were found to be “worthless”

Does anyone here see where the court showed us what was wrong with the forensic evidence?

Plus the fact that the wife has ill feelings against her husband does not mean that her testimony is bad. All that is needed is for her testimony to be corroborated by other independent evidence.

Jusges one day it would be you who would be judged!

Mathewrichard99:
Really very senseless and useless husband. He's even lucky that there's a smart wife standing up for him. Imagine, Aso Ebi girls came to pick the idiot like rags and the wife went to pick him back like an house boy Mumu..

Moto jam you dia!

If people did not participate in the games which the celebrant brought them to enjoy are they not ruining the occasion and offending the celebrant.?

In the occasion are the guests warned that the games might be offensive to spouses?

We are talking wedding reception and not bachelor's/spinster's eve party shit.

Yugoslavia247:
That was i said thank God for those who fought the church then.

Killing for leaving is no different from a cult

It is the very proof a cult

Nazgul:
So if you're in an occasion with your wife and some random girl walks to you, grabs your hands and starts walking you to the stage, you'll foolishly follow her with the excuse that you had no idea of what she wanted?

Let me educate you...for you to even abandon your wife whom you came with and follow her means you don't value your wife in the first place.

No be every breast and nyash you go follow.

Stop being stupid. We all have seen the games played at parties and many have been safe, decent, polite and entertaining and no reasonable person would object to them.

And the bottomliine is that guests do not know what games the mc may juggle up but however, no guest is expecting any offensive act, hence every guest will at first participate.

So it is very understandable why the husband first went out and how shocked he would have been when the evil game was revealed and the correct wife acted. (mc deserve stabbing and make moto jam the hungry evil bitch)