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Prosper1912:
Oga u are wrong
See wenti john 1verse 2-3 talk

This one be dey with God from the beginning.  God use-am make everything, e no get anything wey dey wey God no use-am make

So who be this one
Na Jesus Christ .

So are you not saying 2 People are there?
1) Big Papa God and

2) He Pikin God wey Papa God dey Send "make light, make toy house, decorate the house eel well, make toys and put them inside the house make dem live for the house (and now our toy story don start be dat.)

jaephoenix:
I dont know whether you do this intentionally or not, but you go off the tangent whenever we are on a discourse.
There are symptoms and there are signs. Symptoms are what patients tell us. Signs is what we elicit on exam(whether clinical or investigations). Yes we can predict when a patient is lying about some symptoms, eg pain or fever. But we can predict symptoms like headache(even though EEGs give us a hint). So we still need patients to give us inputs via symptoms.
I still don't understand how this affects the convo. Or have you run outta meds?

I am saying your machines know more than us so they should do everything from start to finish since they certainly know us more than us and even more than our Maker.

jaephoenix:
Can you explain the bolded?
If you insist i have experienced it, so be it then

Why? You don't need it.

Prosper1912:
And that god is Jesus Christ.
So that word which is Jesus Christ was with GoD(Jehovah) from the beginning of creation

So let me rephrase john 1verse 1 again.

In the beginning was the Word(Jesus), and the Word(Jesus) was with God, and the Word(Jesus )was a god.

Wrong!

Genesis 1 shows SOMEONE MOVED AND SPOKE!

John 1 clearly directs us to look at "The Word'. Verse 3 shows The Word made us. Genesis 1:3-29 Showing SOMEONE SPOKE SAYING "Let there be... or Let the...".

Anyway off point. Delkuff see! This thread is about Jesus and Arc Michael not Jesus and His Father!

I only answered the jw guy to point out that What comes from God must be God John3:6

sonmvayina:
Messiah means "anointed king' ...don't loose sight of that...

Google says you are lying

messiah
/mɪˈsʌɪə/
noun
1.the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
2.
a leader regarded as the saviour of a particular country, group, or cause.

sonmvayina:
But the one he promised them was still going to come through the line of David through Solomon his soon..He is going to bring peace, isaiah said men will hammer their swords into ploughshares and learn of war no more...kingdom will not rise against kingdom...that has not happened..

The same thing John's disciples thought and they left before they heard Mathew 24/Revelations.

LordReed:
Show us na abi the worms don chop your brain finish? LoLz.

As you be lie itself how you won take see when maggots don chop your eye of Trutb finish so tay you no fit see Truth again ? You don pafuka finish. Na to enter fire remain.

See as devil won defend him jw brother.

Now na animal salvation person go dey pursue? Which kain madness be dis?

Janosky:
@ John 1:1 rendition: " the word was a god."

The Word, Came from God and is Born by God, so it must be A God! John 3:6

cornelboy:
No verse explicitly says that Jesus is Michael. No verse outrightly say Jesus is not angel Michael.
Indeed there are clues in the Bible that shows that archangel Michael could be the one God sent as Jesus Christ.

See jw speaking with reservation on the matter

Jude expressly shows that Arc Michael is less than Jesus.

But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9).

And Who is The Lord?

Jesus is The Lord!

Michael is obviously not the Lord. He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus has no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord.

Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him (Matthew 4:10,11).

And in John 8. Jesus directly calls Satan a Liar thereby bringing a condemnation of slander on Satan. What Arc Michael could not do.

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

delkuf:
I had this argument recently with a jw and he showed me some bible verses that angel Michael is Jesus Christ. I must confess this guy almost won me and over with his argument. So I want to ask, can anyone bring out bible verses to refute this claim.

I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can never be angel Michael. I just want bible verses to refute this because the jw is coming on Saturday to continue this argument

The Book of Jude says:

But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9).

And Who is The Lord?

Jesus is The Lord!

Michael is obviously not the Lord. He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus has no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord.

Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him (Matthew 4:10,11).

You have to learn the laws of making a valid argument to beat anyone for God has made it so that "THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH."

So you need to know when people are making an invalid argument. Not every reasonable sounding argument is valid that is what The Law of Falls popularly called fall'acy (fallabiility) is all about.

And devils always argue by committing the fall of off point/change of issue or topic or post by using style to slide from the issue of the argument to another.

So watch their words keeping in eye the issue of argument and cut them off as soon as they slide away from the issue. That is why you always see me raising change of post or off point.

Because, if you stick to the issue, you will clearly see that they do not have a valid answer to the issue.

Not every reasonable sounding argument is valid!

AllenSpencer:
Meaning we all on Earth can NEVER be saved since we don't have direct contact.

Did you not hear The Way was lost and all men
had gone a stray?

You can't save a person without being in direct contact with them.

AllenSpencer:
From the Bible, Jesus use of words and his statement, clearly shows he was referring to a superior being.

Even as at crucifixion, in the face of death and pains, he still called on his father. Was he also referring to himself at that point?


Matthew 26:39

And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”


Did he bow to himself and same time called himself father? These are simple English that can easily be decoded and interpreted.

You have shifted off topic. The post is about explaining how and why and what The Lord became man for. John1:11-13 hope you have not deleted this portion like the jw devils have done.

Ohyoudidnt:
This represents Hezekiah more, the Judean king of the Old Testament. The references to the Son of man in Daniel are more aligned with Hezekiah than with Jesus.

To begin, the context in which the term "Son of man" is used in the Book of Daniel strongly supports the interpretation of it being Hezekiah. In Daniel 7:13-14, the phrase is used to describe a human figure with qualities of both divinity and royalty. These characteristics align closely with Hezekiah, who was a righteous and faithful king of Judah, highly regarded for his religious reformation and trust in God. Hezekiah's story in the Old Testament records numerous instances where he sought divine intervention and received miraculous deliverance, seemingly similar to the descriptions in Daniel.

First, Hezekiah was not divine and I'm the end he still fell like his father's before him.

Secondly, Hezekiah was not the only faithfull king. We Jehosaphath, Asa, Uz-ziah and others.

AllenSpencer:
Your explanation addresses nothing.

Even after coming to Earth in human form, does he really still need to address himself as the son of man? We all on Earth are also offsprings of men, does that make us God?

Moreover, he was always making mention of “My father”. Who was he talking too? Was he talking to himself?

You can't save a person without being in direct contact with them. Thus, this is Him having a direct contact and relationship with us from our level. And that way was to reduce Himself to a man and a Son of man.

Which is we sing

Don Moen
"God With Us"

He walked where I walked
He stood where I stand
He felt what I feel
He understands

He knows my frailty
Shared my humanity
Tempted in every way
Yet without sin

God with us!
So close to us
God with us
Emmanuel

MaxInDHouse:
...Satan's agents are only lying to brainwash people, they themselves are deceived and they are used to deceive others.
[...

A jw confessing what they are sent to do!

MaxInDHouse:
So what all sincere and honest hearted individuals who want to be saved should try to do now is figure out the group that's practicing what Jesus commanded as their assigned duty in this endtime .

And here is inviting people to his brainwashing jw machine.

Merry100:
You have to put in effort and show love to make sure unbelievers see reasons to repent and follow Jesus.

I disagre.
No one can save a person who does not want to be saved, Even The Lord respected this Law and you see He did not waste His time drawing the Nazarenes or the scribes. He just put them or left them in their proper places.

jaephoenix:
Are you Usually this dumb in real life? I just told you I haven't experienced out of body experience and you still insist that I have experienced it. Do you live inside me? If you don't believe me, take a poll on Nairaland and see how many people would tell you they have experienced it

See how stupid you are in real life? Now you have run to "do you live inside me" yet you came to tell us that our spiritual experiences are are dreams in the head. "Do you live inside us"?

That aside, I do not need to live inside you for me to know that you have experienced it. for no one has escaped its reminders or attacks absolutely no one.

jaephoenix:
In making a diagnosis, you need subjective(patient) input and objective(investigations like labs, radio etc) inputs.
I don't understand how this particularly impacts on our discourse

How would you not pretend to not understand when you can't lie here after inferring that once a person is hooked up to your machines, you would see his dreams and all he experiences since they are from the brain?

So there is no need for patients to talk just hook them up like a car and tell them what is wrong.

jaephoenix:
There's no 6th sense. Its pseudoscientific

So these people here are pseudoscientists, abi?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25333721-000-interoception-this-sixth-sense-could-be-key-to-better-mental-health/&ved=2ahUKEwi_9v-duYiBAxX8VUEAHbSMCqQQFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1bzc8-JNHm5moH78UOK8V4

jaephoenix:
I thought u said you're a lawyer liar. Where is the idiomatic expression u posted?

I thought you said you are a doctor duckter so it is understandable how you did not see the idiom sitting on the fence even with typos and therefore ducked it.

Merry100:
A liar cannot become a judge over a fornicator just because he does not fornicate, and a malicious person cannot become a judge over a thief just because he does not steal. God does not put one sin over the other; all sins are equal in His sight. .

Sure! A judge is one who is blameless.

Merry100:
Don't you know that Jesus of Nazareth has taken the punishment for all sins. There is a chance for repentance, so there is no need for condemnation. If God decided to wipe out sinners, who would remain? Let him who is without sin now cast the first stone.

Only for those who want to be saved. Then it is only for past sins and not present/future sins. He is not going to die twice.

Thus, "sin no more" means sin no more. Be blamess. Be holy.

Wodu89:
Lol. They bring psychology to spiritual matters. Atheists will never seize to amaze me. Spiritual things is not given to you to discern so you won't understand. It is sin that is condemned in the sinner and not the sinner.

Not when the sin and the sinner are one and the same person.

Wodu89:
If Jeuss had not showed the lady in the adultery situation love, should would have remained a sinner. If Jesus did not lovingly attend to the woman at the well, she would have never brought the harvest

Clearly The Lord came to save but is it everyone who who shall be saved?

Did you not see how his village people rejected Him and try to murder Him? Did you not see John's disciples leave Him?

Clearly only those who want to be saved will be saved by entering into The Light, (Judgment) that their deeds may be known.John 3:19-21

Those who do not want to be saved run away from The Light!

Merry100:
Christianity entails Love, grace, mercy, forgiveness, and so on. As an ambassador of Christ, you represent Him here on earth.

It also includes judgment.

Merry100:
Words have the power to destroy and to save. You can decide to use your words however you want, but just remember that you will be judged by that same measure you judge others.

That's The Law but
Jeremiah 48:10
Cursed [be] he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed [be] he that keepeth back his sword from blood.

Wodu89:
Preach. I was just having this discussion with some folks on another platform. About the need to be mindful of our speeches and words and tone down on negative narratives, perspectives and words that it forces negativity

A thief will not condemn a thief. So, the honest has a right to condemn the thief and the just, the unjust.

That is the right thing.

Evil is increased up to the point that evil doers are saying that it is right to do evil because people like you are telling people not to condemn the evildoer.

Negativity (evil) only burns the evildoer. That is what God has done!

LordReed:
Oga show where they are squirming, or we know you are talking about the worms squirming in your brain. LoLz.

Pikin I no talk say everytime you talk, you too dey lie? Even as you talk aay you no see am, na lie you dey lie!

LordReed:
Bwahahahahahaha! Shior! LMAO!

nyahahahahahahahahahaha! Aakor!

LordReed:
LoLz! Where are they squiming? Are you talking about the worms eating your brain?

Are you are a Liar as you are blind to not see them squirming. I understand, you don dey die small small be dat!

Another proof that jws be devil pikin See how devil pikin way say e be atheist won kon defend him broda since dem kuku get the same papa who be king Lie! hahahahaha

Belzebub can never rise against belzebub.

LordReed:
Except you can never point out the lie, only to be shouting like a deranged mongrel. LoLz

I no need to recall anything liar. Dat na why dem call am thread!

Busybrain2233:
Interpret all these your gibberish for me please

Is this how hard English is? O I forgot, you generation had bad education hence you lack good imagination and understanding of idioms.

Meanwhile that is where the point is and it is not meant to be explained.

FRANCISTOWN:
This is what I honestly think about dream.

In the 19s, a Professor at Duke University, Dr. Banks did a research. And thru that research it was discovered that every human on earth has something called the 6th sense otherwise known as "extra sensory" mode of perception.

To be put simply, let's call it instinct.

The research resolved that this 6th sense is located somewhere at the centre of the human brain, but no one has been able to state exactly where it is, or what it is. Stay with me.

So basically what does this "extra sensory". It's responsible for clairvoyance and telepathy.

That's why some people leave a certain place before bad things occur and when you ask them, they'll say they just felt like or their mind spoke to them.

Gamblers also use this 6th sense in card selection and in reading their opponents' mind.

However, just like some people have very sharp taste bud or very good eyesight. This sixth sense is also very active in some people as opposed to others.

Let's make this point 1.

I believe your people have finished mapping out the brain, yet they did not find that elusive 6th sense.

But o, antiGod can not accept the alternative.

Busybrain2233:
Oga readwell, That's their reason for saying it's spiritually related.

And which do you say it is, Mr. Look like like he is sitting in the fence?

We are you leaning towards saying it's physical alone.

LordReed:
Same as you since you have no power over JW. LoLz.

LiarReed! Everyone is seeing how they are squirming in excruciating pains like earthworms in salt over our judgements.

So, you lie, son of liar. Obviously jw na your bastard brother. hehehehehe

Anyway, No Road!

Aemmyjah:
According to you, the spirit has united you and those who oppose Christianity right?

My according to me is clearly posted up there. So this twisting, is your own fabrication after all you people are the lie-lie and fabu-fabu people of Satan, so it is expected.