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Myer:
It's ok to be wrong and admit to correction. It's what makes you grow as a person and even as a Christian.

What is the essence of a tree of life when they were already created to live eternally?

Simple! That's the fruit you would have taken to cure corana, malaria, snake bites, and other things which have power to kill you.

But now, they kill you and you die with no healing!

Myer:
5. God overlooks standards
The truth according to the bible is that in Christianity there are no Laws.
You are no longer a slave to the laws of the flesh but led by the Law of the Spirit. Roman's 8:2

Teaching of Satan's children and not what God said

Myer:
There are so many stories that prove that God does not have a standard.

More Lies!

The mere fact that you can not find the standard does not mean that it is not there

Myer:
He can stand against lying but choose to allow lying just to save his child(ren).

He can stand against killing but allow his children kill the so called heathen.

None of these are True and the mere fact that you do not know what is True, will not change that which True into a lie!

So it is you who is lying because you do not know, as you normally do not know.

Myer:
So how do you then know what is right and what is wrong?

Simple, Look to The Law!

It is The Law that says you are Wrong and Guilty it is Also The Law which says you are Right and Innocent.

The Law is the Beginning and The Law is the End and The Law is The Judge!

Myer:
2. Righteousness
The term righteousness is one of the most argued words in the bible.
Biblically righteousness used to mean fulfilling the Laws of Moses.
Now it means being in right standing with God simply by believing in Jesus.

The Bold is the Doing of Satan's children in changing Everything God Truly said into what God Never said.

Righteousness is in Doing Only that which is Right and Good which we can easily accomplish through and by keeping The Law as given to Moses.

Myer:
While righteousness literally means doing what is right.

By the Bibles Measurement, it is Not just Right Alone BUT RIGHT AND GOOD!

Myer:
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The bible distinguishes between man's righteousness and God's righteousness.
Though God himself initially gave the condition for righteousness (according to the Laws given to Moses) yet God and even Jesus proved these acts to be Self-righteousness.

Proved self-righteousness? Why did you not present the proof now?

Of course it does not exist!

Count 5- "Giving False Testimony!
Count 6- "Making False Accusations!"

Myer:
According to the old testament, righteousness was by human effort at fulfilling the over 613 laws of the old testament.
But according to the new testament, righteousness simply means believing in Jesus Christ.

The Bold is the Teaching of Satan's children and not of God.

Secondly, it is humans who do "the Wrong" that is going to kill them exactly as you are doing and therefore it is them who need to do "The Right" that they might obtain Mercy, Forgiveness and Eternal Life!

Myer:
This has created a chasm between various factions of Christianity.
While some believe Righteousness means believing in Jesus Christ and accepting him as Lord and Saviour, also choosing to following God's principles in the old testament.
Others believe righteousness is simply believing in Jesus is what instills God's Righteousness and no human effort or works counts.

Just as there is no Farm without weeds, there is no gathering where Satan's children will not be there!

Myer:
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1. Lying
...- Interestingly there are instances where God lied.

Eewoh! God, Lie? You are a killer like Cain indeed for you have murdered me!

Myer:
When God told Adam and Eve that they would die if they ever ate of the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil.
While this is obviously a lie as neither Adam and Eve died.

There has been argument stating that death according to God is not physical death but a spiritual death.
Meaning God's disconnection from man is what is actually death.
This leaves us asking who lied, was it God who lied or the serpeant?

First of All the Operative word is "Argument" on physical death and spiritual death.

Secondly, Christ clearly put it to rest when He said "Fear He whom after he hath killed, had power to cast in hell"

So the obvious answer beyond all argument is that God can cause both physical and spiritual death.

Myer:
-Exodus 7:16
When God told Moses to inform Pharaoh to release his people just to worship him for 3 days when God's intention was to liberate them completely.

That was not a Lie, for All Lies must be Fully and Irreversibly Implemented before it can be called A Lie.

But pharoah failed to make it A Lie

So it is you who is the Liar here!

Count 1 - "Calling an Innocent a Liar"
Count 2 - "Calling the A King, A Liar without Proof"

Myer:
-1 Kings 22:21-23
When God sent a lying spirit to the king.

Did you not hear, "every creation obeys Him? Does a King become a messenger when He sends his messenger?

No, He does not, A king is Always A King!

Count 3 "Calling an Innocent a Liar"
Count 4- "Calling the A King, A Liar

Myer:
From "my own observation" having read the bible a couple of times, there is no standard of right or wrong. What is obtainable is simply whatever God says at a specific time and situation.

Therefore there is a Standard and to clear all doubt, the Bible still clealy Expresses the Standard which in David's words is put "Do good, Flee from evil"

But the Accurate Measurement of what is good or evil where the challenge is and this is where the Levites, whom we call Lawyers today come in.

It is their job to Dispense Rightness and to Accurately Measure it when required.

Myer:
Knowing the difference between good and evil is what the dictionary defines as Wisdom.

Dictionary is not the Repository of Wisdom.

The Owner of Wisdom has already told you that He is the One holding Wisdom and He dispenses it at His Own Will and it can not be taken by anyone.

It is rather given! Wisdom is a Gift!

It can not be bought in the market or found by much books!

So everyone is A Fool until Wisdom enters them and changes them.!

Myer:
The bible did not say man was as wise as God as you rightly corrected. But it says man would become like God, knowing Good and evil.

The Operative Word is "Knowing" nothing more!

Myer:
So by inductive reasoning man became like God by becoming wise.

This is why your brother FoJ and co will shout "fallacy upanda" because all inductive and deductive reasoning is based on the Facts on Ground and not pulled from the air, abracadabra style.

And you Truthfully have none as you have shown!

LordReed:
Yeah so the solution is to destroy an entire nation so to you Hitler was correct. LMFAO!

Remember The Law of Do unto others? Israel too wiped out nations, so they ought to know that it could be done unto them as they have done exactly as you have done in wiping out continents of mosquitos!

drLammy:
Trying to defend that book will only start to make yourself start questioning your own IQ

I am not ridiculing but I just wish to point out that I always at all times endeavour to think properly for in saying "Trying to defend that book will only start to..." I am sure you were not aware that you are stylishly saying that I was defending "the book", meanwhile "the book" was not on trial, therefore there was and is nothing to defend.

But do I defend the Bible? Yes I Do and I stand with it, therefore you or anyone can take me up on it, by raising a shiny new thread for that purpose.

Further, it is Only when a thing I believed was True has been validly and Truly pointed out that it is Not True, that's the only time I question my thinking.

drLammy:
Only if you ain't talking about same book that Your god created heaven and earth meanwhile discoveries has been able to tell us there are far far many planets in the universe ,some yet discovered

Yes, as I said up, God The All Mighty did create everything and you are only discovering rather the word is UNCOVERING what has been created, (if we even accept your Uncoverings at all, I do not)

So you are not doing anything that is special or you have not done before eg exactly like discovering or uncovering what we call gold, iron, silver, river Niger, No big deal,

So how is finding new planets a big deal any different than me finding that my neighbour is a Spy?

Smh!

drLammy:
Or the same book that talked about God hardening Pharaoh's heart the more ,still asking Moses to go ahead and free the Israelites?

Yep, That's the Proof that we are all toys in his hands exactly as we do with our wrestling Action figures when we hold both of them to fight.

No matter how equal we make the fight is, the guy who we want to win, will Always win.

That's what it means to be like God, so it is wise to Fear Him and it is foolish to do stubborn head

drLammy:
Guy wake up this is 2021, I'm not an atheist tho, I believe there's God but that can "NEVER" be my God

If i am not awake, I'll be dead but unlike the action figure, you have a choice to choose to at least, what bed you wish to lie upon.

Your bed, your choice! And I am not begging you to choose my bed!

CharisEleos:
How would they learn to get out of the curse?

Drop tips for the benefit of those set of people.

Shalom.

That's why The Bible is a Gift from God! It's Advices and Counsels, Teachings and Warnings is The Way, THE ONLY WAY To Break out of The Curse!

The Summary of it is "Do These Things And Live well and Live Eternally, if you want to live well and not die in vanity, suffering and pain"!

There is No Other Way no matter how intelligent and knowledgeable you are, you will still Lose and Die in the Curse.

We are pieces in a chessboard and the "checkmate" is Always against us, unless we make these specific moves.

Myer:
Since man ate of the tree of knowledge, he gained the knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong. And became supposedly as wise as God.

Wrong! He did not become wise!

He only knew God knew to be Good and what God knew to be evil

Will be back!

Life is good until God Leaves you!

Life is good until when it is not good!

And when it is not good, then you have entered into the Curse of the man or the womb man respectively.

And when you are in the Curse, then you have to learn how to get out of the Curse.

And when you successfully get out of the Curse, then Life shall be Good Again

FatherOfJesus:
Why JESUS Christ and not Zeus or Flying Spaghetti Monster?

it is indeed wise to fear The Lord!

LordReed:
Yeah Israel should commit genocide just like Hitler's Germany committed genocide against the Jews. Very good final solution, I will recommend you for the Nobel Peace prize.

I know that you the goodest person in the whole world and the rest of us are evil, so since we are evil can you put up your home and office address and let us pay you a visit to see and test whether you shall be peaceful when the enemies are the gate?

And you shall not destroy us completely when you know that we shall keep coming to attack, "visit" you until we are satisfied.

I intend to have a decent argument if you yourself too will not be offensive

FatherOfJesus:
Afraid of who cannot defend his God? O funny sha

If you want to talk about it then open a thread for that, as for this particular topic I will keep asking you why you don’t serve Zeus and the Flying Spaghetti Monster because that’s false dilemma in Pascal’s wager

You are Afraid! You know you will Fall!

Since you are the one challenging me, you have the duty to let the whole world know that you challenge me and the challenge must be open not hidden.

Let the whole world see me fail as you wish or see you fall (which you are Afraid of), one of us must be put to shame and the other "glowry filled"!

So open a thread and let us see betwixt us who shall receive everlasting shame and Ridicule!

Stop hiding in the darkness and running away, be a man and challenge me openly!

FatherOfJesus:
But pascal’s wager is part of the thread na.

Why is your God not Krishna or Zeus?

Open a thread for me and I will answer all your reasonable questions the best and most Truth Full way I possibly can!

Do not be afraid!

Truvel:
What Curse Was On Them That Made Them Unable To Possess D Lands God Gave Them? God Gave Them Many Lands, They Only Possessed Little.

We are not talking about possessing the lands but I am explaining why "Israel can never be wiped out" or over ran out of their place by Anyone whether Palestinian or not!

joyandfaith:
Israel can never be wiped out as nation. Lost their nation twice in 607 BCE and 70 CE to Babylon and Rome respectively. They returned to their homes in 1948 to expel illgal occupants. Mind you there was no nation of palestine as at 1948. No nation can defeat either of Arab world or Israel . Also, Arab world and Israel can never defeat each other. Palestinians may suffer or even get subdued completely by israel.

Read Gen 16:11,12. Arab-Israel conflict is prophetic.

Jehovah’s angel added: “Here you are pregnant, and you will give birth to a son, and you must name him Ishʹma·el, for Jehovah has heard your affliction. 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man. His hand will be against everyone, and everyone’s hand will be against him, and he will dwell opposite all his brothers.”

True!

truespeak:
Oh! He verily is!

And he knows it which is why he is always trying to trick people into switching the burden of proof when the heat is on him and he can no longer Truly defend himself!

FatherOfJesus:
So Jesus Christ is your god?

Why no Zeus or Krishna?

Still trying to put me up on trial?

I have told you to Raise A thread, for this purpose, let it be very very Clear or are you afraid?

FatherOfJesus:
ok. Which God is yours?

Thank you!

At the proper time and the proper thread I would sit in your trial seat for cross examination.

Or better still, raise a thread for that purpose, I"ll meet you there!

But I have done that before with you and you could not proceed, do you remember?

But again I say raise a thread and I'll show you how you can not make me or Christ Jesus, The Lord God Who I Represent, to Validly and Truth Fully, Fall!

Only One Mighty Mighty God, there is None other!

On this thread you are the one on Trial and it can never be me unless I put myself in there, which I will never do.

FatherOfJesus:
burden of proof is not for someone who makes claim, is for someone who makes “positive” claim not for the “negative claim”

God doesn’t exist is a “negative claim.
God exist “positive claim”

No one is going to prove your imaginary friend for you.

You do real-eyes that I am a Lawyer, and I am the one who Teaches Burden of Proof Anywhere in the world?

The Universal Law Settled world over is "He who Alleges any Fact whether positive, negative or neutral, Has the Burden of Proving the Truth of that Fact"!

You do not fabricate or manufacture Burden of proof, we lawyers are the Scientists from whose lab Burden of proof is Tested and Approved to be fit for consumption, which is what The Law has Said!

Remember Expert Evidence and you are not the expert, I am.

Please, be respectful and do not argue with me about burden of proof, for you argue because your life is not in danger of certain death and great loss which you will only experience when you have been brought before, A Court!

Every lawyer deals with real life and death of souls therefore we know how an error in misplacing the burden of proof can kill an innocent, so we protect against making such errors with our whole soul and life and you do not.

So please be respectful and stay out of arguing this, for you know not Truly what you say and do.

When you have a real case in your life take that thinking, go to Court, do not engage a lawyer and use it to defend yourself!

If you are successful, call me up and i'll honour you!

FatherOfJesus:
But we have to treat Pascal’s wager also. It’s in the article.

Which of the 4,000 gods is yours?

Another Law! Every Issue must have its own independent Truthful Conclusion (Judgement) before another Issue can be validly raised for due examination.

So that the burden of who is to prove is always clear and who is to rebut is also clear too.

FatherOfJesus:
Which of the Gods in question are you trying to prove here?

I am not yet trying to prove for I have made No allegation.

It rather you who Alleged and gave your evidence in Proof of your Allegation, then I came to REBUT.

I am not on trial to prove, it is rather you who is on trial to defend your allegation if you can Truth Fully Do So!

FatherOfJesus:
So you can reach conclusions before testing hypothesis?

I Conclude on Real Living Natural Conditions not contortions, dreams and imaginations.

As we say in Law "Give me the Facts, (not dreams and imaginations) then I"ll give you "Just is"!

Truvel:
If Joshua & Caleb Had Conqured & Taken Possession Of D Lands God Had Given To Them, There Wouldn't Av Been War Btw Dis 2 Countries. Unfortunately, Joshua & Caleb Failed To Take Possessions Of Dis Lands.

Not really! As long as they did not want God nor kept His Commandments, Moses' Curse was going to have effect on them.

Truvel:
I Heard A Nairalander Saying Isreal Can't & Will Never Be Defeated, Lol. Who Told U Dat Isreal Can't Be Defeated? It Was In D Old Days/D Old Testament/Ark Of Covenant Time, Dat Isreal Couldn't Be Defeated. Dat Was Because God Backed Dem Up. Atimes God Help In Killing Their Enemies During Battles Too. Even As Dat, When Dey Sin Against God & Go To War, Dey Use To Suffer Defeat. In Dis New Testament, It's A Different Thing Entirely. Mind U, If Isreal Go Lose Gaurd, They Will Suffer Defeat. 4 Ur Information, U.S Is D World Power. Aside U.S, There Are Other Countries More Powerful Dan Isreal.

The Same One, Who through Moses' Curse Guaranteed that they shall nearly be wiped out if and when they disobeyed Him, Said that they shall Never Be Over Run Again.

And Moses did also Curse that they shall Return Again and Never be Removed. Obadiah 9:15 and other Books of the Prophets!

FatherOfJesus:
Let me add a bonus
Fallacy of denying the hypothesis
a fallacy of denying the hypothesis is an incorrect reasoning in proving p → q by starting with assuming ¬p and proving ¬q. For example: Show that if x is irrational, then x/2 is irrational. A fallacy of denying the hypothesis argument would start with: “Assume that x is rational..

This is where education deceives you with the Teaching of A Lie presented as True, A Fallabiliy itself, (imagine, A Fallacy teaching about fallabilities ) for Natural Living is Not P, Q and X, x/2, G...

We Live on the ground and contract on Real substances which are seen and affect our good welfare or bring us misfortune.

We do not live in dreams or imaginations, thus everything in contest must be seen, felt, and experienced.

imaginations and Contortions are not Allowed nor Permitted!

FatherOfJesus:
Which of the Gods created everything?

Is this not another false dilemma fallacy?

No, it is not for you are standing on my ground and challenging it by asking a reasonable question which places on me the burden of proving which God I (not you) had in mind when I made my statement that God Created everything.

Which is therefore the beginning of an Argument or case as we say in law.

Thus, based on the burden of proof placed on me, I am duty bound to give Truth- Full Evidence, which is where The Laws of Falls, now called False begins to operate.

FatherOfJesus:
1. God of the gaps
God of the gaps fallacy is a very prominent fallacy in religion, it assumes that because we don’t know the explanation to some things yet hence God did it.
Why is this a fallacy?
Because we don’t know the explanation to a particular scenario now is not an automatic evidence for your god, it’s also not a guarantee that we won’t find out later.

Wrong! And this is Not True! Why?

Because the FIRST Issue and the Issue on Ground to which The Laws Of Truthful Statement/Argument Laws of Falls called "Fallability or Fallacy) begin to Apply is [b]An Issue Challenging A Settled and Well Grounded Fact that God created All things

So the Dispute revolves around the Question "Did God Create vs. We are not Certain or Convinced that it is God Who created vs. We do not think that it is God Who created but we are Still Checking it vs. We Are Certain that it is not God Who created and we know it is Another!

Therefore, those who know that it is God Who Created must Always say that it is God Who created and prove from that Ground.

Therefore, No Breach of the Law of "God of the Gaps" which may even be an Admission and Proof of the Truth of the Knowledge of God.

FatherOfJesus:
2. Appeal to Authority

Same thing Applies here

FatherOfJesus:
This fallacy is not also uncommon when debating a religious person, it assumes that because a top and influential individual or group made a statement then the statement must be true whether or not evidence is presented.

Correction! The Operative Word Always, is the word, "True".

Every Argument MUST BE WHOLLY TRUE AT ALL TIMES! Not partly True, but wholly True!

If it is well Known and established that the pleaded Authority is True, then IN THE ABSENCE OF VALID CONTRARY EVIDENCE, IT CAN BE RAISED UP AND PLEADED IN AN ARGUMENT, FOR IT IS TRUE ALREADY!

FatherOfJesus:
It assumes that the person must be right because he or she is an expert in that field of discourse, neglecting the fact that one must also provide evidence for whatever he or she says irrespective of his position.

it is The Law, Expert Evidence is Acceptable Evidence of Truth Provided that it is NOT CONTRADICTED BY ANOTHER EXPERT.

You are getting Law Classes for Free!

FatherOfJesus:
Example: We cannot automatically accept that god exist because some scientists believe in God, we can only accept whatever that scientist successfully prove or provide evidence for.

Aside: Yet you Accepted and silently pleaded your own scientists who gave you the idea that "God may not be Existing"

FatherOfJesus:
3. Petitio Principii or fallacy of begging the question
This fallacy occurs when an argument part of the debate already assumes the truth in the conclusion.

"Truth" Again!
When any Fact is known and accepted to be True, it is True because it stands on ground of the Presumption of Truth and the Absence of Contrary Rebutting Evidence.

FatherOfJesus:
4. Pascal’s wager and [b]false dilemma fallacy[/b]
Pascal's Wager (or Pascal's Gambit) is the name for an idea that Blaise Pascal had. Pascal's argument is a simple one: reason and intellect cannot decide the question of whether God exists or not; therefore, it makes sense to choose the option that would benefit us most should we be right. He assumed that since the two options will be “either God exist or he doesn’t”, choosing to believe in God is the best bet because you would have nothing to lose if God doesn’t exist.

The Operative word Again is True! Not "False Dilemma"

It's opposite is Good and Acceptable Truth that is "True Dilemma"

FatherOfJesus:
But Pascal’s school of thought is a false dilemma fallacy. False Dilemma fallacy is an argument that limits all the options to just two where there are several other options.
Pascal’s wager limited the whole option to “it’s either god exist or he doesn’t” without factoring which God in particular. We have about 4000 gods right now and going by his logic believe in any god of the 4000 means you will suffer the consequences of not

It is not Falls or False because It Is Not Wager or Anyone Who Limited it but THE CONTENTION ITSELF WHO LIMITED IT, BY TRUTH AND FOR TRUTH, TO BE SEEN!

if the Argument is about 4000 gods then no one would raise it up but Arguments are Usually Narrow and they get narrower the more it proceeds!

FatherOfJesus:
5. Russell’s teapot and Burden of proof fallacy
Russel’s teapot analogy succeeded in establishing why those who make positive claim carries the burden of proof.

THE LAW OF PROOF DICTATES THAT "HE WHO ALLEGES OR PROPOSES A CLAIM, MUST PROVE THAT CLAIM, IF HE IS TO BE ACCEPTED AS TRUE!

FatherOfJesus:
When some religion can’t provide evidence for their god, they tell you to prove that their God doesn’t exist. That’s a burden of proof fallacy.
Some way you cannot prove that Russel’s teapot or the Flying Spaghetti doesn’t exist. The onus is on your to provide evidence for your God.

it is The Law, "HE WHO MAKES A CLAIM HAS THE BURDEN OF PROVING HIS CLAIM!"

FatherOfJesus:
There are a lot of fallacies but I can only afford time to describe 5. You can add yours.

The Law of Fallabilties and Falls, is The Law prohibiting All that which is Not Wholly True but is being presented as Truths!

Enjoy your Free Law and Philosophy Class!

hiddendude:
The fine tuning argument puts forth the idea of necessary precision, a precision that must be met by even God. It states that God had to set the conditions right for life to evolve on earth but the argument itself limits God. How? It indirectly states that God couldn't have created or caused life in other conditions. Fine tuning is necessitated by restrictions and if this is the case with how life arose on earth and if God is a necessary fine-tuner, then it means there are restrictions to what God can do. If God must assume utmost charge over all states of affairs, then it must imply that he can cause life to arise in conditions different from the present one.

The Bold! Yes He can! But would you know?.You just have to wait and see or wait to see or keep searching to find!

To the remainder of your post, I answer thus, The Unfettered Right and Power of A Creator is that He has the Absolute Right to make His creation in an Accurately Finely Tuned Way like a Rolls Royce or in a disorganised and scattered manner like an "Insane Persons, bushes etc without any hindrance or question.

That's the Power of A Creator!

He always has a Right
to create as He Likes!

They took him to a Corona's (Mortuary) Court and that court can not sentence him to prison if found guilty which I think Prof. Soyinka is seeking for!

Deicide:
Let's say theyr is a religious crisis in the country and both group are violent against each other.

You where caught and they ask you convert to Islam or die or convert to Christianity or die, would you? How strong is your religiousity?

As for me I don't give a f*ck about religion so any group that say convert I would gladly do it with a smile on my face I refuse to die because of stupid thing like religion.

And in the end you still die, for its not like you will live forever!