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MaxInDHouse:
But it's like this man has a point o!

You Agree here because this one is NOT AGAINST YOUR PERSONAL BIAS INTEREST and Basic Sociology.

But once the subject matter or issue falls into your Personal Bias, (PB) it's bye-bye Truth, to be secured by your choicely selected scriptures for protection.

On that issue, you do not care about Truth, but you are happy to create your own "truths" (exactly as atheist do) and not the God Made and Established Truth, Seen in Nature and Proven by Nature, which God Made!

Myer:
I can see you are personifying Wisdom cos the bible also teaches wisdom as Jesus Christ.

No I did not! I described the Advantages and Greatness of Wisdom over knowledge.

It is you who jumped the gun in going before me.

And I thought we would be talking about good and evil but you are still hitting at Wisdom, ok, let's finish with Wisdom!

Myer:
By this assertion then the dictionary's definition of word, bread, seed, shepherd, teacher, love, blessing, truth, way , life, light, righteousness are wrong as these all mean Jesus too right? Lol

You keep using the word "Wrong" when I'll say "Grossly Insufficient and inadequate"

Myer:
God and Jesus called Solomon wise, does that make him Jesus too?

Now you are Twisting the Bible, yet you complained when you thought I twisted your statement. Do you see that because you're a Twist, you twist every where? Surely a twist is always blind and does not see well!

To answer your question, you eat bread, yam and food, does it make you bread or yam or food simply because it was given you and it entered you?

Myer:
Words have meaning and that's what dictionary does. It gives you their meaning.

Is it the dictionary who gave words their meaning or the The Maker of Words? Which came first?

Again as I said earlier, people Always think they know but whereas when tested for their knowings, They Found to be Fools, speaking foolishness brazenly and stupidly and knowing not!

And now see all things you have exhibited which clearly show how you know Too Little even though you had your dictionary
1) you do not know the difference between good and evil.

2) you do not know the difference between right and wrongs.

3) you do not know the difference between Sweet Living and death living.

4) you do not know the difference between Wisdom and Knowledge.

5) you do not know the difference between the Bible and your dictionary!

If I keep going on with you, you will be bleeding more "You Do Not Knows" and it's very shameful to see, yet, you thought you knew!


And yet you quoted my Bible which told you that "You Die because you Never know" Hosea 4:6

So can you see now that "You Truly Do Not Know" even with your dictionaries?

Myer:
If the bible personifies this in a person it doesn't change the meaning of the words.

As I said, the Bible has More and is Greater Information of Value and Use whilst your Dictionary is Grossly Inadequate and Hugely Insufficient to make Life Sweet at the least.

bingbagbo:
What are u saying

The Truth is in the Past and the Story of All Societies, is that A Society did Not Fall out of the sky nor rise up from the earth as the whole we know today but, they All Started with a "man and woman" exactly as the Bible said!

And they all lived INDEPENDENTLY AND FREELY UNDER THE LAWS OF GOD wherever they chose to settle.

Now, by virtue of God's Laws, persons were free to move around and if they found a place which they liked and other persons where there, by the God's Law of loneliness, (it is not good for man to be alone) both man and woman were happy to have another person come join them in that place and "Good Relationship" (as God had set through His Laws) with each other was established.

And with more people coming and going, more "Good Relationships was established".

And God was the Government, while man was the citizen!

Until the wicked, crafty, disobedient and rebellious man came and perpetrated evil.

Done at first in hiding against the people who did not expect such level of wickedness because Goods was everywhere and he could always have his portion. But the wicked do not sleep unless they have caused someone to fall and to cry!

This definitely led to struggles and agitations which led to what I said in the second paragraph of my response and the rest "..it therefore became necessary that the Righteous Men resist, challenge and put away evil from themselves and their lands..."

So that is what I am saying and what I intended to say.

God was the Government at the beginning and there would not have been the need for men to rule, if not that an evil man came and got people to be as evil as he is or worse than he is eg Cain killed 1, but Lamech was happy to report that he killed 10.

Myer:
I simply asserted that the Dictionary's definition of wisdom as the knowledge of good and evil is right just as the bible says it is the knowledge of good and evil. Meaning Adam and Eve became wise from eating of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil.

Ok, the Highlighted narrows how I responded and will respond.

The definition of Wisdom in the Bible is not the same with the dictionary.

The definition of Wisdom is Greater and so Much such that it is "Indefinable".

Myer:
As per generations not knowing the difference between good and evil, it has always been there since the beginning of time. Just read the old testament of the bible. Particularly the book of Judges.
So it is not peculiar to this generation in fact even the Roman age had it worse and that was during the time of Jesus.

This is True, for the summary of it is that people thought they Knew good and evil, like me, only for us to fail and fall.

I figured out that those who broke out of this box are those who 'real eyesed" that they were foolish (today we say stupid) and did not know anything.

And it is Only Wisdom Who points it out!

Myer:
The question is what then is good and what is evil?

Because according to the bible (both old and new testaments) theres actually no set good or evil.
But simply whatever God decides per time.

Very Beautiful Question which is one of the Lessons Wisdom Teaches!

Shall we proceed on this question?

Myer:
Dictionary is never wrong.

I did not say it is wrong just insufficient! We have often experienced great difficulty in many instances in ascertaining what is good and evil even and the dictionary failed to help us, as proven by the many crazy questions people even ask here on Nairaland.

Yet the dictionary said you know good and evil!

Myer:
What then is the Wisdom he dispenses?
Is it now the knowledge of Good and Evil?

Wisdom is More than that and Much more Greater than that!

It includes "Inside information", Revealing of Secrets, Prophecy etc. many other things.

Myer:
Dont just argue for argument sake. You only sound foolish when you do that cos now you're saying the dictionary is wrong and only the bible is right. When both are actually saying the same thing.

Nope! Bible is Greater!

Knowing the dictionary does not guarantee Good Living and Good Life, but the Bible Does!

Knowing the dictionary does not save you from trouble, but the Bible does!

Knowing the dictionary will not help you escape from your enemies trap, but the Bible will!

Myer:
What does Hosea 4:6 Say? KNOWLEDGE.
What does John 8:32 say KNOWLEDGE.

Knowledge and Wisdom go together...

Knowledge is A Part of Wisdom but not the Whole of Wisdom. It forms about 20% of the whole of Wisdom.

There is More.

Whilst There is ALWAYS Knowledge in Wisdom but there is not Always Wisdom in Knowledge if not ask Pharoah, Goliath, Ananias and Sapphire etc

Myer:
Wisdom is when you KNOW the difference between Good and Evil.

Wisdom is Greater than Knowledge!

Whilst There is ALWAYS Knowledge in Wisdom but there is not Always Wisdom in Knowledge

Myer:
Our generation is a perfect example.
Most of our youths don't even know the difference between what's right and wrong.

But they all have dictionaries, so why has it not saved them since as you said, the dictionary is on the same standing with the Bible, it definitions ought to help resolve the difference?

Did I not tell you above that the Bible is Greater and your dictionary insufficient?

Now you have admitted the insufficiency of the dictionary to your generation.

And how shall your generation not be cut off from knowing the difference between right and wrong, when you guys are even challenging The Maker of Rights and Wrongs as Shown in the Bible, which of course is not in your dictionaries?

It is Written, "If any of us (not haters of God) lacks Wisdom, let him ask of God, Who Giveth to all men, liberally ..." James1:5

MaxInDHouse:
If you believe you've given the right answer then there's no need to be worried over what he says unless you just love exchanging words where there's no benefits! 1Timothy 6:4

Of course being a JW you are that corrupted such that you are blind to see that it was your brother JW who is complaining and lamenting about how I freely Answered!

Keep the change of having the last word!

MaxInDHouse:
How many in Israel accepted his teachings?...

You are not in a position to ask how many, you are supposed to validly rebut, and asking questions at this time is not a REBUTTAL.

Neither does raising a fresh issue of "grant of power" amount to being A REBUTTAL, rather it is Shows Inability to Validly Rebut the Issue on Ground,

Atypical with your specie who when they have no ground to stand upon, they therefore SEEK TO FLEE AS A WITCH TO OTHER GROUNDS

You can keep the change of the last word, it satisfactory that once again, as in the past, you can not validly rebut that The Way of The Lord and the Paths of Life are for Individuals and not for a Container of People!

MaxInDHouse:
46 While he was yet speaking to the crowds, his mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to him. 47 So someone said to him: “Look! Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak to you.” 48 In reply he said to the one who spoke to him: “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 And extending his hand toward his disciples, he said: “Look! My mother and my brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother". Matthew 12:46-50

True, but HOW MANY DID HE HAVE?

HOW MANY WERE WITH HIM WHEN HE WAS BEING PERSECUTED?

HOW MANY STOOD UP FOR HIM AT HIS TRIAL?

HOW MANY DIED WITH HIM?

HOW MANY CAME TO VISIT HIM AT THE GRAVE?

HOW MANY WERE WITH HIM WHEN HE DEPARTED BY ASCENSION?

surely, they were Only a few souls!

So how many where his True Brothers and sister and mother?

Answer= Only a few.

The Multitudes returned to their places!

"NARROW is the Path of Life AND THEY BE FEW WHO FIND IT AND ARE ON IT"

QuinModah:
I doubt if you think critically because any sane rational human will see sense in what the author wrote.

lady, foolishness is also a sense but that does not make it good or acceptable!

MaxInDHouse:
It's a open discussion so if you feel it doesn't tally with your beliefs nobody is forcing it down your throat. There is Freedom of SPEECH, EXPRESSION and WORSHIP so you personally can only ignore or reject but you don't have the right to decide for billions around you!

Do you not see your brother complaining that I must answer him in the way and manner he so prescribes, as though he pay my wages?

DappaD:
Why not admit you’re tensed up because I closed my comment with “Choose your words wisely” and you’re scared you might fumble.

Seeking opportunity to reargue! it can not work!

The First Rule of Good and Reasonable Argument is Freedom of Expression and Equality.

You must be Free to ask any reasonable question that flows out of the issue and the respondent must also be Free to respond to the question, EQUALLY!

Secondly, Every Argument Must Come to A Reasonable Conclusive End. Eternal Arguments are a Vexation of spirit and a Nullity. And I hate Nullities and I do not engage in it.

Thirdly, I have many different ways of freely answering but you are JW and Unchangeable, therefore I will give you the Fastest Answer that will terminate any further argument. For arguing with you people, is the doing of a nullity!

MaxInDHouse:
Please apologies in his behalf...
Sir, you're not our kind!

Let a thief, steal from a thief and let the JWs preach only to the JW.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you PRESENT a global family of worshipers practicing what you're saying?
Don't worry God will abandon those worshiping shoulder to shoulder in LOVE, JOY and PEACE for your sake while you can't even connect with those sharing your thoughts!

See Antichrist!

Christ said "leave father and mother, brother and sister and follow Me"

Antichrist is here saying and preaching "Join World family"!

MaxInDHouse:
You entered one chance when you try to explain what is working out perfectly for the person who wants to hide his uncertainty in delusion!

That's exactly what the thief says when his Vic escapes!

DappaD:
Simple and direct question I asked the man above that requires either two affirmative or negative answers Yes/No instead he’s busy ranting. Perhaps someone should help him out.

See lamentation!

You asked your question freely why would you now want to deprive me of the same freedom you had and enjoyed?

Yet you would consider yourself fair and balanced, do you now see that you are An Unfair and Imbalanced person?

Preciousgirl:
See what happened...
John 6:21

Then they willingly received Him into the boat, and immediately the boat was at the land where they were going.

The moment the Lord entered the boat, the boat got to its destination. Wooow

Halleluyah

The highlighted means "Smooth Easy Sweet Sailing to Destination" compared to the stormy rocky seas they encountered which was not enjoyable and sweet, but unusual and very scary, which you would know if you have been on a boat in a storm before!

ChristisGod:
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
John 6:29

You see, believing in JESUS is the work of God; Halleluyah

And how do you live on Jesus? Or put in another way, how do you Be - living - on Jesus?

Which further means that you know Jesus very very well, so do you?

I do not think you do, if not you would not have rejoiced at the word be - live -on, for you would have known what that meant and entails since you know Him!

Finally, some one Notices! May God open thy eyes and give thee sight and a ear to hear!

ChristisGod:
John 6:44-45

[44]No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;

Translation! If God Most High, does not Move you or Draw You, You are So Wicked and Evil that you would not be able to go to Christ at All!

ChristisGod:
and I will raise him up at the last day.

Translation: He who comes to Me (and stays with me shall have everlasting Life because, I Shall Raise him to everlasting Life!

ChristisGod:
[45]It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

'it is written in the prophets"- it is Contained in the Books of the Prophets eg Isaiah, Jeremiah etc

"And they shall all be taught by God.’ "- You would not understand the Scriptures unless you are taught by God.

"Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me." - Therefore, having learnt and properly completed your classes of learning from God, it is then you would Run to Him, The Lord!

Princeojua:
Hi Pals. I am Sammy aka "Samwise". Sometimes, I get dissatisfied with my accomplishments. Whenever I see myself being control like Transistor I get pushed to seek for independence. I want to be a man of my own. I am being pampered like a nursery kid. I wish to just stay away from home and not come back nor depend from them " My parent". Although, i am still in school. drop your piece of advice and possible solutions to this fight for independence.

First, you do not belong to your parents, you belong to God.

Secondly Independence is given by God when you have qualified for it!

QuinModah:
The Continuous Decline in Critical Thinking among Nigerian University Students and the Role of GenX...

Critical Thinking tells me that all you said is void! Why?

Because you and the author do not know what giving education and getting education is all about.

The value of Life is good Living! Now, anything which aids good living is welcome. But anything which is a void is a complete waste of other good things eg time, resources, energy, soul, space!

So it is with giving and getting an education.

If it is not Gainful and Profitable, then it is a waste of good things!

So if it is not profitable to acquire certificate/certificates, get educated in another Lawful activity which is profitable for you!

DappaD:
There he goes again.

Of course, I Come, I Go!

DappaD:
The Bible has up to 6 definitions of the word ‘spirit’ so if you’re quoting out of context, that’s on you. .

See how you failed to Answer the Natural Living Truths Questions put before you?

But I understand, Natural Living Truth will kill All Your JW Lies which you like!

I do not care about defining I care about Using!

I want my spirit to keep driving me only to the houses and destinations of Joy, peace, happiness, sweetness and pleasure and not the houses of sorrows, anguish, despair and troubles!

That is the beginning and end of knowing what spirit is and how to drive carefully.

You can keep increasing the definitions while I keep Living the Good Way of the spirit Life!

DappaD:
I already explained what the ‘spirit’ at Ecclesiastes 12:7 means so no need for all these mumbo jumbo.

I did not read it for you are JW, with your JWnesses! I'll rather learn directly from Job, Solomon, David and Co. If I did not know what it was!

DappaD:
But since you have your own interpretation of Ecclesiastes 12:7, let me ask you this question and I need a clear answer. Is the “spirit” in that verse actually a person and if it is a person, does the person return to God in heaven? Choose your words wisely.

The Answer is Proven by You since you yourself are like Job, Daniel, David and I, all of us being men of spirit.

Did you not experience "I will speak in the Anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul" Job 7:11?

My soul refused to be comforted? Psalm 77:3

. “I Daniel (or Dele or Mark) was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body,...Daniel 7:15

Is it Another Person or thing which experiences these things or was it not directly you, whoever you are?

If Foj sleeps with your wife, steals your car or refuses to pay your salary is it another person that shall complain or is it you, whoever you are?

That's the beginning and end of the lecture of spirit with me!

DappaD:
“Man is a spirit” said no one ever. No wonder you couldn’t substantiate it with the Scriptures,

You should know trap when you see one and it's downright shameful, that you, a Bible Knowing professional, is not aware of the Trap of the scripture, I willfully failed to lay!

So take this! Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? Ecclesiastes 3:21.

Even animals too are spirits!

"I will speak in the Anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul" Job 7:11

The Law is Spirit! - John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth (That Gives Life and loses Life); the flesh profiteth nothing (is Useless): the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Deuteronomy 8:3

1 John 4:1-5. King James Version · 4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:

If you do not know spirit, then how can you keep this advice? I do not care to know your answer, for its your problem not mine!

DappaD:
The promise of a new world without death, sickness, pain(Revelation 21:4) was and is given to fleshly humans & NOT spirit beings as Revelation 21:3 points out.

Man is spirit remember the statement of the "spirit of man that goes up"? that is what living soul means for a is spiritly and not fleshly.

And God deals Only with spirits, hence "try the spirits"!

Even the flesh which you know too much is spirit "the spirit of the flesh"

But being JW, spirit really has no value with you guys!

Skoonheid:
Augustine was perhaps the most significant Christian thinker after St. Paul.

No he is not! He is just being promoted as such! There were Christian philosophers both before him and after him, who said either the same things or more but why him?

Skoonheid:
. So almost inevitably the Christian scriptures from the fourth century on were interpreted against the background of this (mis) understanding.

Why and how is this a misunderstanding?

Skoonheid:
The primary trouble with this theory was that by the fourth century of the Common Era there were no Jews to speak of left in the Christian movement, and therefore the only readers and interpreters of the ancient Hebrew myths were Gentiles, who had no idea what these stories originally meant.

This does not show the how and why it is a misunderstanding

Skoonheid:
Consequently, they interpreted them as perfection established by God in chapter 1, followed by perfection ruined by human beings in chapter 2.

So is this Augustine's Misunderstanding or the Interpreter's application of their own understanding?

Skoonheid:
Why was that a problem? Well I, for one, have never known a Jewish scripture scholar to treat the Garden of Eden story in the same way that Gentiles treat it. Jews tend to see this story not as a narrative about sin entering the world, but as a parable about the birth of self-consciousness. It is, for the Jews, not a fall into sin, but a step into humanity's. It is the birth of a new relationship with God, changing from master-servant to interdependent cooperation.

So are we and shall we be ruled by the views of the Jews or should we not read for ourselves what is written, as we do, today and apply understanding?

Skoonheid:
The forbidden fruit was not from an apple tree, as so many who don’t bother to read the text seem to think. It was rather from “the tree of knowledge,” and the primary thing that one gained from eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge was the ability to discern good from evil. Gaining that ability did not, in the minds of the Jewish readers of the book of Genesis, corrupt human nature.

So they have, as you say given us their own mind, are we not allowed to assess the same information and make our own minds?

And, because that is their mind it is Right and True? (And you can see that the Bible shows that the bulk of them are Liars and wicked people, so the mind of the wicked is Right?)

Skoonheid:
It simply made people take responsibility for their freely made decisions. A slave has no such freedom...

Now all these that you say is you for it is incompatible with what your beloved Jews said, to which all they said was to the effect that knowledge of good and evil does not corrupt a soul, and I Agree with them.

But it is something else that corrupts a soul, and the Bible also told us, but that's not your way,

You just wanted to hide behind the Jews and make your flawed and scattered presentation of your Lies that "A slave has no such freedom" as if God created slavery, whereas it is evil men who did!

God created man and gave him much "Permissions" called Rights and Freedoms and evil people came to remove those freedoms through death, woundings and slavery!

And that is The Truth!

DannyG8:
Am having exam next week and it oral defence you have to face congregation of about 80 people to speak frankly speaking am not good speaking in public and moreover an a big time introvert I hardly speak in public please I need your advice and support on how to go about facing congregation to speak thank you

1) Become an expert in your presentation KNOWING EVERY NOOK AND CORNER OF IT.

2) INTERVIEW THE EXPERTS ON IT, to verify and authenticate that you indeed know the subject. Therefore, you know that you are an expert on it.

3) so now that you are an expert and have interviewed experts about that subject, go out there and shine for YOU ARE TEACHING 80 other experts or less who are going to see that you have become an expert too, like they are or even better.

xproducer:
"Sweet" and "pleasant" are a human assessment of others...I am talking about the way GOD sees us (which is what matters)! Not how we see or perceive each other, babies and kids included!

It is you who does not know much, are humans not spirits and did the Bible not clearly tell us so, so many times? Even the physical that you know very well is spirit (spirit of the flesh and carnal and evil spirit).

Therefore, from one spirit to another we are at liberty to describe the sprits which We See.

Thus, Moses and Joseph were described as goodly children, Samuel had favour of both God and men, Daniel had an Excellent spirit, David was described as a ruby complexioned and when an evil spirit enters a man or is in a man, we all See it, as proven by Saul and the men possessed by evil spirits.

This was the Truth captured in G.O.T in the case of Joffrey (very evil) and Tommen; (goodly); same as Lord Reed both the one in the movie and the one in nairaland here have the same evil spirit.

We are able to see the spirits of things for all things are spirit, which is what and how God Sees. "The flesh profiteth nothing" is also The Law of seeing, if you want to see.

xproducer:
"But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” - 1 Samuel 16:7

The flesh (physical) profiteth Nothing is The Law! All things are spirit!

Kobojunkie:
Really? They are not the same?

A is B and B is C does not imply that A is C?

And you wonder why I ignore you every chance I get.

That's why it is legitimate to call you Satan's Prophet for The Law Against Lies (Fallacy) clearly tells All that A is Not C, at All, and can never be stretched so UNLESS IT IS TRUE!

And in this case IT HAS NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER AS YOU LIEDLY SOUGHT TO PROVE!

Therefore, by your own hand and mouth and Admission you have proven that you are indeed a child of the father of Lies and Satan's Prophet, for you intended to establish your Lies by the Use of Falsehood (Fallibility and Fall'acy).

See, your rotten soul, oh ye Satan-son?

Kobojunkie:
What exactly is the lie?

You said, Jesus is Lucifer

"Kobojunkie:
Again... in the Bible,..Jesus Christ Supposedly Declares that He is the only Lucifer(brighter morning star)"

When it is rather stated as you have presented it.

They are not the same!

Kobojunkie:

So you see now, you Lie and everyone would be right to call you Satan's Prophet!

Kosoco:
what baffle me most us this guys temerity..., because there parents got phone and data for them they fill they are ontop of the world.....

Well, Data is Cheap and The Lord did tell us that "scorners, scoffers and mockers will fill the land in the last days, so we are just going to have to confront him till The Judge Arrives!