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imiski:
can you proof it?

I have brought the proof of it!

referandum:
Okay, so thats your own side of the story. So whats your prove to justify all you've said. And try to be mature, you can explain yourself without hurling insults, were all open minded folks ready to learn and question everything.

It is seen that hell comes to wrap up a person who has done great wickedness, which is is seen in torments, loss of peace, joy and laughter, abundance of sorrow and gnashing of teeth, loss of pleasure, despair, unusual hardship and suffering etc eg when a normal man sleeps with the wife of another or even cheats on his wife!

That is why you all confess from the depths of your heart that "I am in hell"!

CosmicGoat:
Hell was not created for man. That's it

True but now, man qualified himself to go there eg The people of the 1st World at Noah's time, Sodom and Gomorrah, Korah, Abiram and Company, The Rich man in Lazarus story as Proceeded from the Mouth of The Lord!

All these men are there!

referandum:
The human is made to adapt to situations, if hell was real and I was put there after a period, I would naturally adapt to the condition i found myself, but if its my spirit that was put there; spirits dont feel pain, so either way it's a win-win at the end for me.

You had hell on earth, you could not cope with it and you begged for relief and God is Good for it is not His Will for the people of the earth to be in hell continuously, while on earth only..

So hell leaves after a set time. That is the Goodness of God in Action!

Therefore, you have not yet learnt that if you could not bear the hell that comes to earth, is it now the one that you would go and live in?

imiski:
I have even been expecting one of the hellfireist-I dont even know whether the grammer is correct-to refute any of my arguements none has showed up. I still dey wait them sha.

I am here and I have answered!

ashlyfab78:
It makes no sense at all bro...why would a God the Bible called God of love torment people for thousands of years and be cool watching them going through pain....

Because they have Offended Others Who have cried up to Him for Just is, like Abel.

And Love Also includes "Just is" Therefore, He Must Also be A God of "Just is" and Must therefore render to "Just is" to each man, for their Doings.

Good for Good, Pain for Pain!

ashlyfab78:
...even me a human being cannot wish for someone to burn even for a minute.....

And then you lie here, how many times have you wished Buhari dead in a day? Oya, Lie!

Or is it the babe that cheated on you or the dude that stole your phone?

imiski:
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The doctrine of predestination has it that our life is a plot written by God. So I argue: if l become a thief l should not be hanged for it-l mean-it has already been planned for me before l was born, so it's not my fault, why suffer me because of the plan you created for me. It makes no sense at all.

Wrong! The doctrine of predestination is that you are choose, out of the ONLY 2 Available Places and Options, where you would like to be.

imiski:
This aims at drawing "common sense" arguments about the teaching of hellfire. lt does not mean in any way to berate any religion.
One of the doctrines of helleire is that: As soon as a man dies he goes before an angel who opens a 'cctv'-don't mind me-recording of all his deeds, and if found guilty goes immediatly to hell. So my argument is this: when l die after a period of time my flesh starts to rot and eventually turns to manure-common fact. If the flesh turns to manure on the ground, what is then burning in fire?(lol) common sense. Or you may love to argue: that The burning creates the decaying process. Then l would just tell my people to preserve my body so l would somehow cheat hellfire(lol).
Satan the one that caused man to sin is convinently roasting people like borle and fish-this one baffels me-. This doctrine potrays the Christian God as being unjust, for him to allow this. It's like there is some sort of conspiracy amongst them-I mean.

And you said the magic words of the limits of your understanding in saying "my flesh" meanwhile Hell and lake of Fire is not about your flesh but about your soul, which you obviously are not conscious is there!

MightySparrow:
Your write - up shows ignorance of the subject matter. Jesus ended Law and Prophets...

The end result is the same, syllabuses different.

"End" in Law means "Destination, Goal, Aim". Lawyer Paul new that

Therefore "End of Law and Prophets" means The Destination of The Law and Prophets, not 'death' by plain English interpretation!

Acos925:
Bible gurus in the house.....kindly help to clarify this article I found in an online newspaper.

Source: www.vanguardngr.com/2016/06/whose-report-believe-2/

It is like A Relay, The Lord Jesus Started the Race and Passed The Baton to the Disciples, Who themselves passed the Baton to Paul!

There is No Dispute here. The Lord did the first part of Restoring The True Law and made known the need to escape the Fury of God, Paul handled the other end of Anchoring and Tying The Teachings of Christ and the Gift of Mercy and Goodness (Grace) with The Law of God!

Kobojunkie:
I concur!

Of course you must concur, when it suits you!

hturb:
Greetings to u fellow...h

And Did He Not Clearly Say,

WHY DO YE ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD... FOR GOD COMMANDED .. " Math.15:3/4.

Ye Do Err not knowing the Scriptures (The Commandments) Math 22:29.

Mathew 22:34-40[b] "THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD..."[/b]

John. 14.:15 "IF YE LOVE ME, keep my commandments"

truespeak:
Check the date he last posted!

Somebody obviously raised up this months old thread!

Oh! Thanks

MuttleyLaff:

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MuttleyLaff in the house , welcome back! Hope all is well again?

Uptheante:
Now, here are my questions:

2. If the answer to the first question is yes, then does it mean that God accepts human sacrifice (as burnt offering) at that time?

No He does not and He Did Not!

Uptheante:
3. Could it also be possible that probably Jephthah actually meant sacrificing his daughter to the service of God & not actual sacrifice that entails burning her to death?

Pls I'm eagerly awaiting your replies

Nope, God read his True Intent (man keeps forgetting that God sees and hears ALL YOUR THOUGHTS in our minds and souls)

Jephthah thought and was ready to burn any other person apart from his personal loss, Which God Hates. In other words Jephthah thought it good for another person to be sacrificed but he did not think that that same thought would be good for his daughter.

In God's View, how is his daughter different?

Therefore, God Switched his plan and brought the evil (or good) he wanted to do to another upon his own head.

After all charity must begin at home!

budaatum:
And neither has your answer where you made it sound like humans are as freewilless as "your car, phone or Tv" which obviously "can not paint
themselves without your permission", but which a human can do without permission specifically because it has the freewill to do so if it wants to even if it is an offence to do so.

Freewill is Not the issue of this thread, if you are interested in this area, raise a thread of your own about it!

Kobojunkie:
What exactly am I supposed to do with this cobbled up mess you have here? Are you so desperate that you would go as far as to twist the very Word of God Himself to justify your stance in this?

You know what? Goodluck!

See your unstable soul?

When it suits your answer you say

Kobojunkie:
Gambling is not listed as a sin anywhere in the Bible... not even in the Teachings of Jesus Christ Himself, so it is not a sin to those of the New Covenant either.

And when it is against you, you say "Christ Never Taught that"

And when it is against you, you say

Kobojunkie:
And what has Leviticus to do with Christians?

Cut and Paste Bible User!. "Unstable as Water, You shall not prosper"!

Akuruoulo:
ADAM TOLD EVE WHAT GOD SAID, AND NEVER DIRECTLY TO BOTH OF THEM

Since you knew this, why this question?

Akuruoulo:
ADAM TOLD EVE WHAT GOD SAID, AND NEVER DIRECTLY TO BOTH OF THEM

That man is now insane as he used to be!

kingxsamz:
That's what I'm saying na... That your explanation couldn't be more than that Toyota and Tesla crap you always say.

which you can not counter, even now.

kingxsamz:
There's nothing you have said before, and what you're saying now doesn't answer anything.

In other words you can not counter!

kingxsamz:
Rather, you've concluded that I should ask your god. Tell your god to come down, let me ask it, that's if it can.

Do not give me another person's statement, I stand on my own statements and fall by it!

budaatum:
Is it not your point that I don't have the freewill to paint my body ..

My Point and the Ops Question is About the Prohibition or Lack, of the Exercise of the ability given you by our Creator and not about ability to freely use and exercise the power given you, which you wish to Sneakily Change the Ops Question to.

This my Point is OUR CREATOR HAS PROHIBITED the Use of the power given you, in a certain way!

budaatum:
"Or rather should not"?

Is that you recognising my freewill to choose unlike your "TV or phone"?

As I said, Freewill is Only Excercisable within Limits of the Power GIVEN to a creation.

lucky999:
If tattoo is a sin what of those that draw tattoo on their skin and later realize it was a sin then they ask God to forgive them fully knowing that the ink of the tattoo is permanent on their skin. Will God forgive them?

And before you Quote me remember that Jesus said if you sin against the father you will be forgiven, if you sin against the son you will be forgiven but if you sin against the holy spirit you will not be forgiven.

I was going to supply that too but with the addition, that Forgiveness is at the Discretion and Pleaaure of the Offended, so I would not go into that territory. That is Exclusively God's Jurisdiction!

And besides, this thread is about if God Prohibited Tattoos, to which I say, YES, but kobojunkie says "No" even in spite of The Law!

Kobojunkie:
What exactly am I supposed to do with this cobbled up mess you have here? Are you so desperate that you would go as far as to twist the very Word of God Himself to justify your stance in this?

You know what? Goodluck!

If you do not know what to do with it, that is your problem but you asked "If you have evidence that shows that Jesus Christ did indeed command against it, post exactly this as your evidence, or move on."

I have posted and now I move on!

Kobojunkie:
As I made it clear in my response, God has declared no rules against body inking as far as followers of Jesus Christ are concerned. If you have evidence that shows that Jesus Christ did indeed command against it, post exactly this as your evidence, or move on.

Thank God you Always State Mathew as your basis of Christ's Teachings to others, so here is Mathew's!

Mathew 5:33-38 particular 36: "Neither shalt thou swear by your head," (None of these things including you are thine own. They All Belong to God, including You, body and all!)

"... Offer the gift that MOSES COMMANDED..." Math. 8:4

"This is The Law and the Prophets Math. 7:12

"...The very hairs of your head are all numbered" Math 10:30 (You are Owned and you own not thyself)

"WHY DO YE ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD... FOR GOD COMMANDED .. " Math.15:3/4.

Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Math 20:15

Ye Do Err not knowing the Scriptures (The Commandments) Math 22:29.

Mathew 22:34-40[b] "THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD..."[/b]

John. 14.:15 "IF YE LOVE ME, keep my commandments"

I rest!

Kobojunkie:
Again... If you do not have a meaningful rebuttal to post, go ahead. Just don't pretend we are forced to engage you when you do nothing but ramble on and on.

I have rebutted your presentation which is to the effect that "God is not against tattoos" by presenting The Law of God Prohibiting Tattoos.

Then, you sought to defend it by saying The Lord Jesus Christ cancelled The Commandments, which I Countered that The Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ, was and is About The Commandments.

So, now therefore, it is you who should Counter that not I.

Kobojunkie:
As I made it clear in my response, God has declared no rules against body inking as far as followers of Jesus Christ are concerned. If you have evidence that shows that Jesus Christ did indeed command against it, post exactly this as your evidence, or move on.

Let me look through His Teachings and show you where He Covered it!

And this of course it is in the view that you wish to hide under the Fact that The Lord Jesus, "appeared not to talk about every subject of The Law in His Teachings but, He still Covered Them All!

I"ll be back with the Answer!

budaatum:
Is it not your point that I don't have the freewill to paint my body if I want to, or are you just pained that my creators relationship to me is not the same as you have to "your car, phone or Tv"?

My point was Very VERY Clear, which is Your Creator Always Owns You and You can not (or rather should not) DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE, if you like yourself, just as a TV or Phone which does whatever it likes, shall be put in the incinerator!

truespeak:
@ The bolded, it is. He just did it to me too!

That means his former Lying and Cobra Self has returned!

budaatum:
I can see why Kobojunkie advises you to "quit with the meaningless ramblings. "

Shall fire be friends with water or shall a thief assist a policeman? We can see why you MUST allign with him!

Kobojunkie:
Again quit with the meaningless ramblings.

https://www.nairaland.com/6456638/not-under-laws-expected-obey

If you can offer a valid rebuttal, REBUT MY ANSWER!

I know you are a very obstinate person who increases in stubbornness just because you are told are wrong, and rather than present any reasonable and valid counter in opposition as you normally do in other cases, you impliedly insult me while repeating the same thing which I have countered

I can not and will never compell you or anyone to accept my presentation but I will reasonably oppose and challenge every doctrine which is Not True, FOR TRUTH ALWAYS STANDS THE FIRE OF EXAMINATION AND IN FACT, IT GETS STRONGER WITH EACH ATTACK!

so I am aware of that thread but I am also aware of the kind of person you can be.

budaatum:
That God would need to be petty if painting the body matters more than painting the heart and the soul.

It is still the same matter of the heart for Will-Full Disobedience is the Offence and All wllls come from "the heart and it is the soul that implements it"

Hence, as you have admitted, it is within the Jurisdiction of Measurement since it is an Issue of the heart and soul as you Truly Said!

budaatum:
I was not aware the thread was about "fly as a bird or swim as a fish" and thought it was about tatoos on a body. Forgive me.

Liar! And your former dishonesty is back. You were very aware that this discussion is about tattoo but because of my answer to the Op you chose to counter it by raising the defence of freewill.

But now I have shot it to shreds, and you had no valid counter, you now attempted to make it look like I was off topic, WHEREAS, IT IS YOU WHOSE DEFENCE HAS FALLEN AND CAN NOT STAND AS YOU NOW ADMITTED BY SNEAKILY SEEKING TO CHANGE THE FLOW OF YOUR NOW SEEN FAILURE!!!