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God2man2again:
The question is not specific.

Spiritual enemies must be dealt with while physical enemies must be loved and forgiven, however, the enemy has advanced, some human beings have made a covenant with the devil to the extent that that are ready to die instead of you to be free.

God moved further by introducing another strategy to deal with this so called enemy human or human enemy whichever way you wish to name them by creating prayers to tackle them. This is one of the reasons why MFM emerged.

most MFM doctrines are steeped in African traditional beliefs

Janosky:
WAYO plagiarist

Abeg give the credit to the Author whose FICTITIOUS claims you copied .
Plagiarism is a criminal offence

I can give you 30 different Bible translations of John 1:1 but you can't give me 15 different translations that supports your New world translation. The one you'll most likely quote will be the one of Johannes Greber( a known Spirit medium).

haddeylium:
Which Bible translation do you prefer?

I prefer any properly translated version of the Bible.

Jehovah’s Witnesses regard The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures as “an accurate, easy-to-read translation of the Bible” (jw.org). What many it's adherents don’t realize is that four of the five men on the translation committee producing the complete 1961 edition had no Hebrew or Greek training whatsoever.

The fifth, who claimed to know both languages, failed a simple Hebrew test while under oath in a Scottish court.

Milton G Henschel, George Gangas, Albert Schroeder, Fredrick Franz, and then WBTS President, Nathan Knorr are committee members who translated the NWT.

Frederick Franz, however, was the only one with sufficient knowledge of the Bible languages to attempt translation of this kind. He had studied Greek for two years in the University of Cincinnati( he didn't complete his university education) but was only self-taught in Hebrew.

The fact is, none of the members of the NWT committee, including Fredrick Franz, were really qualified to make a scholarly translation from the original languages. No one on the committee had more than a rudimentary familiarity with Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic. This lack of expertise is clearly revealed in the poor, biased quality of the NWT’s renderings of many key biblical passages...

The New World Translation (NWT) is defined by the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ parent organization (the Watchtower Society) as "a translation of the Holy Scriptures made directly from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek into modern-day English by a committee of anointed witnesses of Jehovah." The NWT is the anonymous work of the “New World Bible Translation Committee.” Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the anonymity is in place so that the credit for the work will go to God. Of course, this has the added benefit of keeping the translators from any accountability for their errors and prevents real scholars from checking their academic credentials.

The New World Translation is unique in one thing – it is the first intentional, systematic effort at producing a complete version of the Bible that is edited and revised for the specific purpose of agreeing with a group’s doctrine. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Society realized that their beliefs contradicted Scripture. So, rather than conforming their beliefs to Scripture, they altered Scripture to agree with their beliefs. The “New World Bible Translation Committee” went through the Bible and changed any Scripture that did not agree with Jehovah’s Witness theology. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that, as new editions of the New World Translation were published, additional changes were made to the biblical text. As biblical Christians continued to point out Scriptures that clearly argue for the deity of Christ (for example), the Watchtower Society would publish new editions of the New World Translation with those Scriptures changed. Here are some of the more prominent examples of intentional revisions:

The New World Translation renders the Greek term word staurós ("cross" as "torture stake" because Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that Jesus was crucified on a cross. The New World Translation does not translate the words sheol, hades, gehenna, and tartarus as "hell” because Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in hell. The NWT gives the translation "presence" instead of “coming” for the Greek word parousia because Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ has already returned in the early 1900s. In Colossians 1:16, the NWT inserts the word “other” despite its being completely absent from the original Greek text. It does this to give the view that “all other things” were created by Christ, instead of what the text says, “all things were created by Christ.” This is to go along with their belief that Christ is a created being, which they believe because they deny the Trinity.

The most well-known of all the New World Translation perversions is John 1:1. The original Greek text reads, “the Word was God.” The NWT renders it as “the word was a god.” This is not a matter of correct translation, but of reading one’s preconceived theology into the text, rather than allowing the text to speak for itself. There is no indefinite article in Greek (in English, "a" or "an", so any use of an indefinite article in English must be added by the translator. This is grammatically acceptable, so long as it does not change the meaning of the text.

There is a good reason why theos has no definite article in John 1:1 and why the New World Translation rendering is in error. There are three general rules we need to understand to see why.

1. In Greek, word order does not determine word usage like it does in English. In English, a sentence is structured according to word order: Subject - Verb - Object. Thus, "Harry called the dog" is not equivalent to "the dog called Harry." But in Greek, a word’s function is determined by the case ending found attached to the word’s root. There are two case endings for the root theo: one is -s (theos), the other is -n (theon). The -s ending normally identifies a noun as being the subject of a sentence, while the -n ending normally identifies a noun as the direct object.

2. When a noun functions as a predicate nominative (in English, a noun that follows a being verb such as "is", its case ending must match the noun’s case that it renames, so that the reader will know which noun it is defining. Therefore, theo must take the -s ending because it is renaming logos. Therefore, John 1:1 transliterates to "kai theos en ho logos." Is theos the subject, or is logos? Both have the -s ending. The answer is found in the next rule.

3. In cases where two nouns appear, and both take the same case ending, the author will often add the definite article to the word that is the subject in order to avoid confusion. John put the definite article on logos (“the Word”) instead of on theos. So, logos is the subject, and theos is the predicate nominative. In English, this results in John 1:1 being read as "and the Word was God" (instead of "and God was the word".

The most revealing evidence of the Watchtower’s bias is their inconsistent translation technique. Throughout the Gospel of John, the Greek word theon occurs without a definite article. The New World Translation renders none of these as “a god.” Even more inconsistent, in John 1:18, the NWT translates the same term as both "God" and "god" in the very same sentence.

The Watchtower, therefore, has no hard textual grounds for their translation—only their own theological bias. While New World Translation defenders might succeed in showing that John 1:1 can be translated as they have done, they cannot show that it is the proper translation. Nor can they explain the fact that that the NWT does not translate the same Greek phrases elsewhere in the Gospel of John the same way. It is only the pre-conceived heretical rejection of the deity of Christ that forces the Watchtower Society to inconsistently translate the Greek text, thus allowing their error to gain some semblance of legitimacy in the minds of those ignorant of the facts.

It is only the Watchtower’s pre-conceived heretical beliefs that are behind the dishonest and inconsistent translation that is the New World Translation. The New World Translation is most definitely not a valid version of God’s Word. There are minor differences among all the major English translations of the Bible. No English translation is perfect. However, while other Bible translators make minor mistakes in the rendering of the Hebrew and Greek text into English, the NWT intentionally changes the rendering of the text to conform to Jehovah’s Witness theology. The New World Translation is a perversion, not a version, of the Bible.

Every other Nigerian state governor should emulate this..

He said, “Watch out that you are not misled. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them!
Luke 21:8 NET
https://bible.com/bible/107/luk.21.8.NET

Be careful not to allow anyone to captivate you through an empty, deceitful philosophy that is according to human traditions and the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form,
Colossians 2:8‭-‬9 NET
https://bible.com/bible/107/col.2.8-9.NET

He just airing his own views as football fan and not a prophecy. He has the right to that.

rentAcock:
So much whining
So much bickering
They cannot just express appreciation or positivity
This is only a temporary pinch, it will get better
If petrol is too expensive for you, don't drive
If petrol is too high for you, buy a tesla

Buy a Tesla, buy a Tesla.Where will you charge this your Tesla's battery?

How come a 600 metres bridge is longer than a bridge that is 1600 metres?

Maximus69:
Your TRINITY mindset or PERSONAL opinion will never change the fact that Jesus never referred to himself as GOD but as the Son of GOD!

So instead of worrying yourself over scriptures that you can't understand just concentrate on the words Jesus spoke regarding himself and his father. He is the way the truth and the life, so focus on how to develop a firm belief on what he said not on TRINITY or the definition of TRINITARIANS.

Micah 5:2 said the Messiah has been existing from long time ago meaning his existence is before the time Adam (the father of all humans) was created. God created all his angels before the earth so their origin is from ancient times!

The ancient times the Bible is talking about simply means eternity. Some translation used "distant past," "ancient times," " ancient days," "long long ago" and thy all means the same thing - eternity.

But thou, Beth–lehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Micah 5:2 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mic.5.2.KJV


Bethlehem Ephrathah, you are small among the clans of Judah; One will come from you to be ruler over Israel for Me. His origin is from antiquity, from eternity.
Micah 5:2 HCSB
https://bible.com/bible/72/mic.5.2.HCSB

But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting.
Micah 5:2 ASV
https://bible.com/bible/12/mic.5.2.ASV

But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”
Micah 5:2 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/mic.5.2.NASB

And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forth — to be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth [are] of old, From the days of antiquity.
Micah 5:2 YLT98
https://bible.com/bible/821/mic.5.2.YLT98

Micah 5:2
[2]But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, you are little to be among the clans of Judah; [yet] out of you shall One come forth for Me Who is to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth have been from of old, from ancient days (eternity). AMP

And you must learn to understand that only a Being whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting, can be called an everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6).

The Jewish law concerning the offense and punishment of the crime of blasphemy was given by God. The law is clear, being confirmed and elucidated by precedent. No competent lawyer could dispute the many violations of this same law on the part of Jesus, climaxed by the “blasphemous” declaration under oath in the presence of the Sanhedrin that he was indeed “the Christ, the Son of the Living God.” To this he added the assertion that thereafter men would see him “sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven (Matthew 26:64).”

It is impossible to imagine such words on the lips of Caesar, or Paul or whoever is the greatest man who ever lived.

The “Christ, the Son of the living God,” about whom the high priest inquired, was to be a DIVINE BEING—he “whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting (Micah 5:2),” who would be “Wonderful, Counsellor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6).” This Jesus, the Son of Mary, who was the wife of the carpenter of Nazareth, after being adjured “by the Living God” to tell the truth (Matthew 26:63), averred he was this very being.

Among criminal trials this one is unique. For not the actions but the IDENTITY of the accused is the issue of debate. The criminal charge laid against Christ, the testimony or, rather, the act in the presence of the court, on which he was convicted was BLASPHEMY (claiming equality with God).

rabzy:
If we interprete these scriptures with like minds we would be on the same page. All Jesus said was that he was God's son and they hated him for it for he was just a carpenters son. He said he has the power to forgive sins and they said only God can forgive sins. They were not wrong only God can forgive sin, but fail to realize that Jesus was acting as God's representative and had been given the authority to do same. This is what the close disciples of Jesus came to realize that the Jews as a nation didn't know or want to accept.

The issue of debate was his identity and nothing else!

Maximus69:
@ bolded is simple!

The Jewish community wants a Messiah that will lead them in a campaign against Rome (their colonial masters) so for Jesus to claim he is the Son of God (Messiah) he was preaching PEACE between them and their enemies and not willing to use his God's given power to rebel against Rome makes them restless!
So they hated him with passion!

So did the Jewish leaders lied on Him(Jesus) about his claim of being the Son of God?

rabzy:
You can please shed some light on the subject matter

You can read the story for your self in the Bible.. Mark 2:1-12, John 5:18, John 10:30-36.
No more argument with them.

Im not a JW but this Trinity stuff is somehow.You can never win an argument on Trinity with a JW,they seems to have alot to back up their argument.

Just ask the Jehovah's witnesses why Jesus claim to be Son of God a subject of contention by the Jewish leaders.

Maximus69:
If you repent of your sins, the heavens will forgive you. All you need is a repentant attitude and any real servant of God will declare your sins forgiven that's what Jesus did!

You do not have regard for God.

Maximus69:
Jesus can't forgive sin on his own accord Sir!

He followed God's standards so whoever agrees with such standards Jesus will declare that the sins of such a person has been forgiven by God!

Jesus Christ claim of being the "Son of God" was subject of contention with the Jewish leaders likewise is forgiving of the sins of the paralytic because they acknowledged the fact that He was claiming to be God...Like the Jewish leaders, you and the entire body of Jehovah witnesses are still doing it today...

Just like I said before, if the Bible can't help you to understand the divine nature of Jesus, I cannot help you either...Have a nice day!

Maximus69:
The name was given as a key to the door for blessings but the blessings are in God's hands not Jesus!
That's why God could answer the prayer of a faithful woman suffering from flow of blood just because she touched Jesus' garment when Jesus himself didn't know how or why the power (God gave him) went out from him! Luke 8:45-46

So it's the one who sent him that demanded we use his name otherwise nobody needs to ask God anything through any name after all God answered so many prayers in the Old Testament without involving Jesus' name!

Only God can forgive sins, and Christ, being God, has the power to do so as well, but He never communicated any such power to His disciples, nor did they ever assume any such power to themselves. The key to understanding the meaning of John 20:23 lies in the previous two verses: “Again Jesus said, ‘Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.’ And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit.’” He sent them, as He is sending us, to bring the good news of the way to salvation and heaven to the whole world. Jesus was leaving the earth physically but promised God would be with them in the person of the Holy Spirit living in them. As they proclaimed the gospel, they could honestly tell people who believed in that message that their sins were forgiven, and they could honestly tell people that did not believe in the message that their sins were not forgiven and that they stand condemned in God’s eyes. Jesus said, “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him” (John 3:36).

Maximus69:
That's why Jesus himself said it's God who empowered him NOT himself! John 11:41-42

Fine ! when next you pray for forgiveness of your sins, pray in the name of Peter and Paul! And not the name of Jesus.

Janosky:
John 20:23, Jesus disciples have power to forgive sins. They are God too, according to your spiritual logic

After saying this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
John 20:22‭-‬23 HCSB
https://bible.com/bible/72/jhn.20.22-23.HCSB


You forgot the part where he breathed on them and gave them the power of the Holy Spirit... The disciples would not have gotten this power except it was given to them by the Almighty.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm, just try reading the story again but this time like a real life event with each of the characters doing what they're doing with motives.
You'll grasp how complicated the case was, don't just think like credulous Churchgoers who only feels Jesus should die for their sins and however the case goes they're not interested!

Understanding the deity of Jesus is fundamental in defending the truth of the Christian faith.The identity of Jesus Christ is at the core of the Christian message, that is why Jesus asked his disciples, "who do you say I am?"( Matt 16:15)...

Peter acknowledged Jesus Christ as Son of God(Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Matthew 16:16 WEB
https://bible.com/bible/206/mat.16.16.WEB).

Paul acknowledged Jesus Christ as Son of God (Rom 1:1-3 KJV - 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh).

The angel Gabriel acknowledged Jesus Christ as Son of God (The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore also the holy one who is born from you will be called the Son of God.
Luke 1:35 WEB
https://bible.com/bible/206/luk.1.35.WEB).

The demons acknowledged Jesus as Son of God (Mat 8:29 KJV - 29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?).

Jesus Christ showed He is deity by forgiving the sins of the paralytic (Mark 2: 1-12) and the Jewish leaders acknowledged it and were riled because of it.

The only motive I see here is Jesus wanted the whole world to know He is God..

Barrister Maximus69 you do not have any sound argument. Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior. If you reject him you reject God.

Maximus69:
Eagerness to accuse is worrying you my friend!

I never said God's word is complicating but the case Pharisees put up against Jesus is what is complicated!

Okay! Please tell me about this complicated case, able barrister.

Maximus69:
It's just a conspiracy that's all, Pilate understood that clearly that's why he wanted to free Jesus by all means until they threatened Pilate with the name of Caesar!

The case is more complicated than just ordinary claims my guy!

There is no complications in the words of God. From creation up till today The Almighty God has always made himself clear...
Why would His claiming to be the Son of God be considered blasphemy and be worthy of a death sentence? The Jewish leaders understood exactly what Jesus meant by the phrase “Son of God.” To be the Son of God is to be of the same nature as God. The Son of God is “of God.” The claim to be of the same nature as God—to in fact be God—was blasphemy to the Jewish leaders; therefore, they demanded Jesus’ death, in keeping with Leviticus 24:15. Hebrews 1:3 expresses this very clearly, “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being.”

Maximus69:
The highlighted!

So they acknowledged that the reason why they're demanding for his death is not because he claims to be God but the son of God

The meaning of " Son of God" in this context, means someone having the nature of God that is why it annoys the Jews so much to the point of wanting to kill him...
Why is Jesus Christ calling himself the Son of God different from any other person?

If human beings and angels can be called, "sons of God," then, in what sense, if any, is Jesus different?

The answer is that Jesus was the unique "Son of God" in that He possesses the same nature as God. Adam was the "son of God" in the sense that he was created directly by God - he did not have a human father or mother. Angels are the "sons of God" in the sense that they were created by God. Israel was symbolically called God's son as were the peacemakers. Believers are "sons of God" or "children of God" by faith in Christ.

The Jews have problem with Jesus calling himself the Son of God (because he possesses the very nature of God and not a son in the literal sense)---> The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and by that law he ought to die, because he has made himself the Son of God.”
John 19:7 RSV
https://bible.com/bible/2020/jhn.19.7.RSV

Jehovah witnesses are no different from the pharisees of Jesus time who accused Him of blasphemy because he claimed to be God (Mark 2:7, John 10: 33). They see anybody who acknowledges Jesus Christ as God as blasphemous..
The Pharisees do not have any problem with Jesus as a man but have problem with him as a deity, just the way the Jehovah witnesses do.

The Bible cannot help them and you cannot help them either.... Their " new world translation" has changed many things in the Bible to suit its founder's doctrine and that is the problem with them.

You cannot change their minds... Just be rest assured that those who do not believe in Jesus Christ will never enter His rest.

ekaette1621:
four cakes for only one birthday.
What a waste! In this 21st century.
A Stingy,greedy and gluton Afonja.

Shame on them.
Tueh!
I luagh in Swahili

You need some Antidepressants..

Loyalqwin:
I c!ame as usual to visit my bf only to meet my own best friend having sex with him.
Am devastated right now. How can I pay them back? I need to hurt him advice needed.

Forget about them ...

Janosky:
LIAR wey no dey fear God.


The Bible in Living English or Byington Bible.
The translator is a Trinity believer like yourself
He knows that the truth is not popular, Eagban has refused to accept it.

Hebrew 1:6 , the Catholic Church New Jerusalem Bible says your claim is False
Na them bring the Trinity wey you carry for head like gala .

The Hebrew language Masoretic Text destroy that your Hebrew 1:8 FRAUD.
Hebrew 1:8 FRAUD is a fake copy of Psalms 45:6.
See the screenshot evidence

*2)
WAYO man , continue to deceive yourself

John 20: 21 So Jesus said to them again “Peace be to you. In the same way as the Father has sent me out, I am sending you”;

You said Jesus is God Almighty.
John 20:21, Jesus sent you. Bros, who sent Jesus?
Bros, John 20:21,does Almighty God have Father?
Can anyone send Almighty God?

**John 20:31
but these have been written down, in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that, believing, you may have life by his name."

Go and erase John 20:17,31 from your Bible

Eagban run away from the questions based on his own Bible.
Him no get liver to give answer on John 20:17,21,31.

Vs31 Jesus is God Almighty FRAUD will never give you eternal life..
Bros ,Na your Bible talk am

The mystery of the Godhead is too difficult for you to grasp..
Like I told your fellow Jehovah witness. If the Bible can't make you see the deity of Jesus, I can't help you either...
Jesus Christ remains creator of the universe (John 1:3) and the Mighty God as stated in Isaiah 9:6...
And for you to say Jehovah Tdsikenu and Jehovah Jireh is not Almighty God says much about you...

Janosky:
"6 And when he shall again bring in the firstborn into the world of men he says “and let all God’s angels do him reverence.” 7 * And as to the angels he says “he who makes his angels winds, and his servitors flame”; 8 * but as to the Son “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of integrity is the scepter of his reign. 9 You loved rectitude and hated wickedness; for this reason God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of joy beyond your fellows"


Bros, where is the Trinity in Hebrew 1:6-9?

Bros , verse9, God anointed who?

Your " New world translation" turns the Bible upside..
I have 14 different translations of the Bible on my phone and none of them agrees with your quotation...
Jesus Christ is God and will always be God.
He is the ALPHA AND OMEGA..
The promised King who is the LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS..
To Thomas He is " my LORD and my GOD".
He is WONDERFUL, COUNSELLOR, THE MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER AND THE PRINCE OF PEACE.
He is IMMANUEL ( GOD IS WITH US).
He is the ADONAI quoted in Isaiah 40:3...

Most of all, learn to fear God.