rabzy:


What's this KJ you are always talking about, I believe the scriptures not KJ..what is KJ, if you mean King James version, millions of Christians have lived and died before king James commissioned that version and the KJ version was based on other earlier versions. King Henry the 7th also commissioned a Bible like a 100 years before king James, other kings in Germany, Spain etc also commissioned scholars and clergy to translate the Bible into their own language even before the KJV.
So why this fixation on king James version of the Bible.

Maximus69:


It's the official version for Trinitarians!

rabzy:


Lol i want him to give his reasons. Then maybe we can discuss the KJV of the Bible at length based on the stated purpose of why the Bible translation was commissioned and scholastic reviews of the Bible version. Because people want us to believe it's the best and authorized version, the Catholic church a thousand years before the KJV declared the Latin Vulgate as the only authorized version of the Bible and if you are caught with any other, you would be burned at the stake. What made wycliff, Tyndale and a host of others defy the church and did their own translations. The KJV was based on these guys work, after the KJV, others also reviewed the version and saw a need to do newer versions.

Maximus69:


It's the official version for Trinitarians!

rabzy:


What's this KJ you are always talking about, I believe the holy scriptures..what is KJ, if you mean King James version, millions of Christians have lived and died before king James commissioned that version and the KJ version was based on other earlier versions. King Henry the 7th also commissioned a Bible like a 100 years before king James, other kings in Germany, Spain etc also commissioned scholars and clergy to translate the Bible into their own language even before the KJV. So why this fixation on king James version of the Bible.

brocab:
Maybe they did die-before the KJ's existed-but the KJ's was written so we could understand the scriptures in a more profitable way.
The KJ's is knowing to be the closes to the truth.
Don't forget the Watchtower had printed the KJ's on there press-so if you are saying the KJ's isn't worth valve-then the Watchtower had wasted there time trying to create something that means nothing.
And I suppose it doesn't mean anything to you-because God's Word isn't something you would call your own-instead you would prefer a comic book story-on how the world will establish itself when Michael returns as King.
Well the bible was written for us to learn-without the manuscripts God's name only existed through Word of Mouth-praise the Lord-we had Spirit filled disciples-like Paul who wrote most of the New Testament!
But as centuries past-people have tried to write their own manuscripts-not understanding the Spirit of God-but decided to change history taking the matter into their own hands trying to be God Himself-these have led people further away from any truth about God.
Just like you-believing you don't need any bible manuscripts, just like the Pharisees they spoke of God-but their hearts were further away from God...

rabzy:


Can you come up with proof of your statement that the KJV is closest to the truth? Don't just make statements and expect people to believe

What are you even talking about, when did you and I discuss bible manuscripts, please can you highlight where I said I don't need Bible manuscripts.

I can tell you that before the advent of internet I had up to 5 different Bible versions I use. When I go out preaching I often go with two then, but internet has given access to more versions, so am absolutely lost on what you are saying

Im not a JW but this Trinity stuff is somehow.You can never win an argument on Trinity with a JW,they seems to have alot to back up their argument.

Eagban:
Just ask the Jehovah's witnesses why Jesus claim to be Son of God a subject of contention by the Jewish leaders.

Eagban:
Just ask the Jehovah's witnesses why Jesus claim to be Son of God a subject of contention by the Jewish leaders.

rabzy:


You can please shed some light on the subject matter

Eagban:

You can read the story for your self in the Bible.. Mark 2:1-12, John 5:18, John 10:30-36.
No more argument with them.

Eagban:

You can read the story for your self in the Bible.. Mark 2:1-12, John 5:18, John 10:30-36.
No more argument with them.

Maximus69:


@ bolded is simple!

The Jewish community wants a Messiah that will lead them in a campaign against Rome (their colonial masters) so for Jesus to claim he is the Son of God (Messiah) he was preaching PEACE between them and their enemies and not willing to use his God's given power to rebel against Rome makes them restless!
So they hated him with passion!

rabzy:


If we interprete these scriptures with like minds we would be on the same page. All Jesus said was that he was God's son and they hated him for it for he was just a carpenters son. He said he has the power to forgive sins and they said only God can forgive sins. They were not wrong only God can forgive sin, but fail to realize that Jesus was acting as God's representative and had been given the authority to do same. This is what the close disciples of Jesus came to realize that the Jews as a nation didn't know or want to accept.

Eagban:
So did the Jewish leaders lied on Him(Jesus) about his claim of being the Son of God?

Eagban:
The issue of debate was his identity and nothing else!

rabzy:


Can you come up with proof of your statement that the KJV is closest to the truth? Don't just make statements and expect people to believe

What are you even talking about, when did you and I discuss bible manuscripts, please can you highlight where I said I don't need Bible manuscripts.

I can tell you that before the advent of internet I had up to 5 different Bible versions I use. When I go out preaching I often go with two then, but
internet has given access to more versions, so am absolutely lost on what you are saying

rabzy:


If we interprete these scriptures with like minds we would be on the same page. All Jesus said was that he was God's son and they hated him for it for he was just a carpenters son. He said he has the power to forgive sins and they said only God can forgive sins. They were not wrong only God can forgive sin, but fail to realize that Jesus was acting as God's representative and had been given the authority to do same. This is what the close disciples of Jesus came to realize that the Jews as a nation didn't know or want to accept.

Eagban:
The Jewish law concerning the offense and punishment of the crime of blasphemy was given by God. The law is clear, being confirmed and elucidated by precedent. No competent lawyer could dispute the many violations of this same law on the part of Jesus, climaxed by the “blasphemous” declaration under oath in the presence of the Sanhedrin that he was indeed “the Christ, the Son of the Living God.” To this he added the assertion that thereafter men would see him “sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven (Matthew 26:64).”

It is impossible to imagine such words on the lips of Caesar, or Paul or whoever is the greatest man who ever lived.

The “Christ, the Son of the living God,” about whom the high priest inquired, was to be a DIVINE BEING—he “whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting (Micah 5:2),” who would be “Wonderful, Counsellor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6).” This Jesus, the Son of Mary, who was the wife of the carpenter of Nazareth, after being adjured “by the Living God” to tell the truth (Matthew 26:63), averred he was this very being.

Among criminal trials this one is unique. For not the actions but the IDENTITY of the accused is the issue of debate. The criminal charge laid against Christ, the testimony or, rather, the act in the presence of the court, on which he was convicted was BLASPHEMY (claiming equality with God).

Maximus69:


Your TRINITY mindset or PERSONAL opinion will never change the fact that Jesus never referred to himself as GOD but as the Son of GOD!

So instead of worrying yourself over scriptures that you can't understand just concentrate on the words Jesus spoke regarding himself and his father. He is the way the truth and the life, so focus on how to develop a firm belief on what he said not on TRINITY or the definition of TRINITARIANS.

Micah 5:2 said the Messiah has been existing from long time ago meaning his existence is before the time Adam (the father of all humans) was created. God created all his angels before the earth so their origin is from ancient times!

Eagban:


The ancient times the Bible is talking about simply means eternity. Some translation used "distant past," "ancient times," " ancient days," "long long ago" and thy all means the same thing - eternity.

But thou, Beth–lehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Micah 5:2 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mic.5.2.KJV


Bethlehem Ephrathah, you are small among the clans of Judah; One will come from you to be ruler over Israel for Me. His origin is from antiquity, from eternity.
Micah 5:2 HCSB
https://bible.com/bible/72/mic.5.2.HCSB

But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting.
Micah 5:2 ASV
https://bible.com/bible/12/mic.5.2.ASV

But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”
Micah 5:2 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/mic.5.2.NASB

And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forth — to be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth [are] of old, From the days of antiquity.
Micah 5:2 YLT98
https://bible.com/bible/821/mic.5.2.YLT98

Micah 5:2
[2]But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, you are little to be among the clans of Judah; [yet] out of you shall One come forth for Me Who is to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth have been from of old, from ancient days (eternity). AMP

brocab:
Not only did Jesus say He is the Son-Jesus also said He and the Father are One-and if Jesus can forgive sin's and God too-then this proves these are of One mind soul and body at the same time-and still His being mocked by you.
{John 14:8-9} "Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?…
All authority was given to Jesus-no-one has seen the Father without knowing His Son. Of course you are trying to slip through the back door-trying to reach the Father without Jesus! "Typical..

Maximus69:


It's OK, you can now go and preach what you know about Jesus in your neighbourhood, make disciples and continue teaching them all that Jesus commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} whether he was from everlasting or from when God began creating everything, all what matters is for people to live their lives in harmony with Jesus' teachings {John 7:16} it's only by doing so can anyone have everlasting life! John 3:16-18

brocab:
Not only did Jesus say He is the Son-Jesus also said He and the Father are One-and if Jesus can forgive sin's and God too-then this proves these are of One mind soul and body at the same time-and still His being mocked by you.
{John 14:8-9} "Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?…
*1) All authority was given to Jesus- **2 no-one has seen the Father without knowing His Son. Of course you are trying to slip through the back door-trying to reach the Father without Jesus! "Typical..

Janosky:


You just dey DECEIVE your gullible self .

*1 All authority was given to Jesus is God.
This WAYO man say Jesus received authority from himself.

*2. "Trying to reach the Father without Jesus" , when you done misquote John 14:8-9. If to say SENSE dey Brocab brain

rabzy:


It proves nothing, if a king has the power to pardon a criminal and he gives his son the same power of pardoning, it does mean they are one and the same. They are of the same mind, because Jesus said he does not do any of his own except what he sees the father doing, one mind, same goal, same purpose but never same person or body.

Philip wanted to see the father the same way he is seeing Jesus, but Jesus told him seeing me is as good as seeing the father...what do you need to see the father for, when the son is here to represent him fully. Jesus and his father and his loyal disciples are one, he said just as I am one with the father, you too are one with us.

On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you...John 14:20. Explain that verse. The context in which Jesus is talking is plain for all to see in that chapter

You keep saying things we never said or preach. Jesus said am the way to the father, we JWs believe you can't get to the father except passing thru Jesus. Pls bring out one publication from us where we teach that you don't need Jesus to get to the father.

If you can't I won't bother with any further discussion

You are the one saying once we are on the way (Jesus), we don't need to get to the destination (father). Jesus want you to go thru him to the father, not to get to him and claim you have reached the destination. You need to get to the father thru Jesus, don't remain on the road, Jesus want you to get to the father.

brocab:
Of course the truth is not for you-you are not a believer..
{Matthew 15:7-9} You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you: ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’”…
{Isiah 29:13} The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
You claim to know Jesus-but your hearts are far from Him-your main menu is focus on Jehovah "only, calling people into your synagogue" with the tongue you praise Jehovah and with it, you curse others that don't believe in Watchtower teaching.

Eagban:
Be careful not to allow anyone to captivate you through an empty, deceitful philosophy that is according to human traditions and the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form,
Colossians 2:8‭-‬9 NET
https://bible.com/bible/107/col.2.8-9.NET

brocab:
Of course the truth is not for you-you are not a believer..
{Matthew 15:7-9} You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you: ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’”…
{Isiah 29:13} The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
You claim to know Jesus-but your hearts are far from Him-your main menu is focus on Jehovah "only, calling people into your synagogue" with the tongue you praise Jehovah and with it, you curse others that don't believe in Watchtower teaching.