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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:19am On Sep 06
Blabbermouth:

See yourself use "One united Church"... In the first century churches, there were no denominations! Yea, no Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenees, witnesses, Redemeers and What have you... kind of denomination. The church then was only defined by geography... If you are in Ladociae then you fellowship with fellow Christians in Ladociae. If you travel/relocate to pergamus, then you fellowship with Christians at pergamus. Can you do that now?
2. There were no "church"(some brick and wood building termed as the " house of God" where people must have meet in order to worship God) in the first century... All we have is an "Assembly of the called out ones" (I.e. An ecclesia)...
Like the writer said : Where there be no difference amongst us - No Jew, gentile, roman, Greek or whatever.. All is brought unto one, yea even Christ...

The highlighted is where your delusion hides from you!

Let me tell you that they can't be UNITED if not for the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned {Matthew 28:119-20} that's what brought them together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! wink

They studied the same doctrine and agreed on codes of conduct so they had the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

That's why observers in Antioch could IDENTIFY them easily as morOns or zombies following the rules set by that guy who claimed he is the "Christ". Even if they were abused, insulted, cursed while going from house to house on foot just like their founder, they'll remain calm! cheesy

Today that Politicians have stolen the GROUP name to struggle for prominence all of you now want to be identified as Christians but Jesus said "by THEIR fruit" {Matthew 7:20} note that use of plural as in many or GROUP not singular. So Jesus wasn't referring to individuals who just claim they're for him but remained in the midst of those who aren't ready to accept the same line of thought {Psalms 1:1} he meant a GROUP that could be IDENTIFIED with their activities anywhere you go like MTN! cheesy

That's what makes One United Church like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that once you find anyone whether in Europe, Asia, America, Africa or Australia say "I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses" the thoughts ran through your mind that there are conducts, habits, holidays, jobs, social gatherings and festivities such a person is NOT expected to be found. Not because of his geographical location but that unique kind of FAITH that binds them together as One big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23 smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:30am On Sep 06
Maximus69:


The highlighted is where your delusion hides from you!

Let me tell you that they can't be UNITED if not for the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned {Matthew 28:119-20} that's what brought them together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! wink

They studied the same doctrine and agreed on codes of conduct so they had the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

That's why observers in Antioch could IDENTIFY them easily as morOns or zombies following the rules set by that guy who claimed he is the "Christ". Even if they were abused, insulted, cursed while going from house to house on foot just like their founder, they'll remain calm! cheesy

Today that Politicians have stolen the GROUP name to struggle for prominence all of you now want to be identified as Christians but Jesus said "by THEIR fruit" {Matthew 7:20} note that use of plural as in many or GROUP not singular. So Jesus wasn't referring to individuals who just claim they're for him but remained in the midst of those who aren't ready to accept the same line of thought {Psalms 1:1} he meant a GROUP that could be IDENTIFIED with their activities anywhere you go like MTN! cheesy

That's what makes One United Church like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that once you find anyone whether in Europe, Asia, America, Africa or Australia say "I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses" the thoughts ran through your mind that there are conducts, habits, holidays, jobs, social gatherings and festivities such a person is NOT expected to be found. Not because of his geographical location but that unique kind of FAITH that binds them together as One big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23 smiley



Jehovah's witness is one united church grin grin

why not say one united kingdom hall grin grin grin church no be cursed or borrowed name like Christian grin grin

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:40am On Sep 06
achorladey:

Maximus69: Go through the scriptures and point to a place where Jesus whether physical or spiritual refer to his followers as "Christians"
Achorladey: grin grin grin grin grin go through the scripture and point to a place whether physical or spiritual that Jesus told Rutherford to refer his followers as JEHOVAH'S WITNESS grin grin grin grin
Yet Peter and many others including you were told to SUFFER as CHRISTIAN which is the name you called CURSED and borrowed. That account was written by Peter under the influence of ogogoro I guess shocked shocked shocked Jesus didn't tell me no no that name is borrowed and cursed grin grin grin
In the final analysis you cannot see Rutherford Chapter 19 verse 31 even Rutherford chapter 0.00000001 verse 0.00000000000001 where it is said by divine Providence Jesus change name of his followers
Then you don't shocked shocked shocked shocked for the below abi?
Acts 11:26 After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians..........NWT
You see am shocked shocked shocked
Jehovah gave them BORROWED name by DIVINE Providence, Jehovah gave them cursed name by divine Providence
but no where it is written in the scripture that Jehovah changed the cursed name by divine Providence to JEHOVAH'S WITNESS in 1931.
No where in the scripture that the borrowed name was changed by divine Providence to JEHOVAH'S WITNESS in 1931
After changing to cursed and borrowed name in 1931 you still refer yourself as TRUE CHRISTIANS, the only TRUE CHRISTIANS grin grin grin grin cheesy
Yet it is cursed and borrowed grin grin grin grin
This for you to think again, why do you call other Christian denominations FALSE CHRISTIAN?
Since it is borrowed and cursed, why attach false to a cursed and borrowed name? grin grin grin

It's a pity you don't know our God JEHOVAH! smiley

Let me tell you the GROUP names his Witnesses have been called in past generations before now!

From Abel till Noah were referred to as "worshipers of God", later when Satan and demons began gathering people for false worship Jehovah called Abraham out and led him to another place so his own Witnesses began bearing "Abraham's offsprings", later Abraham's eight sons dispersed and God chose Jacob whom he renamed Israel and his Witnesses began bearing the name "Israelites", later Satan penetrated the land and brought in false gods so only two tribes were left as his Witnesses and they began bearing another name "Jews", when Jesus arrived he declared to an Israelite woman who thought God still count the former Group name "Israelites" as his Witnesses that salvation now belongs to the Jews (the two southern tribes of Israel namely Judah and Benjamin), instantly Jesus revealed to the lady that that group name will soon go again because worshipers of the true God won't be identified by geographical location anymore, so after Jesus' ascension the people in Antioch named them "Christians" (followers of the guy who claims he is the Christ) of course only those who accepted him were referred to by that group name, the Jews who thought they had pure worship have lost it.

Today Jehovah has revealed the unique GROUP name he wanted from the beginning till now

"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

Because he had always wanted a people for his name! Act 15:14 wink
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:45am On Sep 06
See restlessness! cheesy

The post wasn't meant for you Sir, so i'll not honour this with a response, let the one whom it was meant for ask for it! wink

achorladey:

Jehovah's witness is one united church grin grin
why not say one united kingdom hall grin grin grin church no be cursed or borrowed name like Christian grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:50am On Sep 06
Maximus69:


It's a pity you don't know our God JEHOVAH! smiley

Let me tell you the GROUP names his Witnesses have been called in past generations before now!

From Abel till Noah were referred to as "worshipers of God", later when Satan and demons began gathering people for false worship Jehovah called Abraham out and led him to another place so his own Witnesses began bearing "Abraham's offsprings", later Abraham's eight sons dispersed and God chose Jacob whom he renamed Israel and his Witnesses began bearing the name "Israelites", later Satan penetrated the land and brought in false gods so only two tribes were left as his Witnesses and they began bearing another name "Jews", when Jesus arrived he declared to an Israelite woman who thought God still count the former Group name "Israelites" as his Witnesses that salvation now belongs to the Jews (the two southern tribes of Israel namely Judah and Benjamin), instantly Jesus revealed to the lady that that group name will soon go again because worshipers of the true God won't be identified by geographical location anymore, so after Jesus' ascension the people in Antioch named them Christians (followers of the guy who claims he is the Christ) of course only those who accepted him were referred to by that group name, the Jews who thought they had pure worship have lost it.

Today Jehovah has revealed the unique GROUP name he wanted from the beginning till now

"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

Because he had always wanted a people for his name! Act 15:14 wink

Maximus69: It's a pity you don't know our God JEHOVAH!

Achorladey: grin grin grin grin grin leave pity alone and face what is before you which is

Jehovah revealed the name JEHOVAH'S WITNESS to Rutherford according to Rutherford chapter 19 verse 31 in the year 1931 grin grin grin cheesy cheesy. Where in the scripture did you see that?

After such revelation Jehovah's witnesses who now has the new name that was hidden still refer to themselves as TRUE CHRISTIANS what is TRUE in a CURSED name or a nickname given to them by DIVINE PROVIDENCE. What is true in a borrowed name?

Yet Peter and many others including you were told to SUFFER as CHRISTIAN which is the name you called CURSED and borrowed. That account was written by Peter under the influence of ogogoro I guess? Jesus didn't tell him....... no no that name is borrowed and cursed.

Why do you refer other Christian denominations as FALSE CHRISTIAN since the name is cursed and a borrowed one
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:52am On Sep 06
Maximus69:
See restlessness! cheesy

The post wasn't meant for you Sir, so i'll not honour this with a response, let the one whom it was meant for ask for it! wink


I thought you are the TORMENTER grin grin grin grin grin if you like respond, sleep on it or roll eyes on it. Not a problem of mine grin grin grin grin


Let me ask, what have just done? cheesy grin grin grin I know its not a response grin grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban: 9:08am On Sep 06
Janosky:


WAYO plagiarist grin grin

Abeg give the credit to the Author whose FICTITIOUS claims you copied .
Plagiarism is a criminal offencegrin grin grin
I can give you 30 different Bible translations of John 1:1 but you can't give me 15 different translations that supports your New world translation. The one you'll most likely quote will be the one of Johannes Greber( a known Spirit medium).
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:34am On Sep 06
achorladey:

Maximus69: It's a pity you don't know our God JEHOVAH!
Achorladey: grin grin grin grin grin leave pity alone and face what is before you which is
Jehovah revealed the name JEHOVAH'S WITNESS to Rutherford according to Rutherford chapter 19 verse 31 in the year 1931 grin grin grin cheesy cheesy. Where in the scripture did you see that?
After such revelation Jehovah's witnesses who now has the new name that was hidden still refer to themselves as TRUE CHRISTIANS what is TRUE in a CURSED name or a nickname given to them by DIVINE PROVIDENCE. What is true in a borrowed name?
Yet Peter and many others including you were told to SUFFER as CHRISTIAN which is the name you called CURSED and borrowed. That account was written by Peter under the influence of ogogoro I guess? Jesus didn't tell him....... no no that name is borrowed and cursed.
Why do you refer other Christian denominations as FALSE CHRISTIAN since the name is cursed and a borrowed one

I've finished you so now what remains is where it was written in the scriptures that God will reveal a new GROUP name to Rutherford in 1931 shey? cheesy

Even the dumbest person on earth could easily grasp that when Jesus said "the Holy Spirit will teach you all things and bring back to your memory things i taught you" {John 14:26} True Christians will be directed by God's holy spirit to figure out the remaining secrets hidden in the scriptures! wink

So if you're now hearing it for the first time it's either you meditate on the outcome {Matthew 7:16-18} of what you just heard {Philippians 4:8} or forget it and go on with whatever you wish! cheesy

For your information, Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis would also challenge Jesus for not bearing the name written in the scriptures that the Messiah will bear which is "Emmanuel" {Isaiah 7:14} rather the young man was given the name "Jesus" by angel Gabriel who appeared to his mother! cheesy

Go now and challenge Jehovah for dribbling your ancestors (Pharisees) by not giving Christ a name he foretold in the scriptures! wink
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 9:44am On Sep 06
Maximus69:


I've finished you so now what remains is where it was written in the scriptures that God will reveal a new GROUP name to Rutherford in 1931 shey? cheesy

Even the dumbest person on earth could easily grasp that when Jesus said "the Holy Spirit will teach you all things and bring back to your memory things i taught you" {John 14:26} True Christians will be directed by God's holy spirit to figure out the remaining secrets hidden in the scriptures! wink

So if you're now hearing it for the first time it's either you meditate on the outcome {Matthew 7:16-18} of what you just heard {Philippians 4:8} or forget it and go on with whatever you wish! cheesy

For your information, Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis would also challenge Jesus for not bearing the name written in the scriptures that the Messiah will bear which is "Emmanuel" {Isaiah 7:14} rather the young man was given the name "Jesus" by angel Gabriel who appeared to his mother! cheesy

Go now and challenge Jehovah for dribbling your ancestors (Pharisees) by not giving Christ a name he foretold in the scriptures! wink

Maximus69: I've finished you so now what remains is where it was written in the scriptures that God will reveal a new GROUP name to Rutherford in 1931 shey? :

Achorladey: Declaring victory upon nothing grin grin grin cheesy I only gave one question with the second one more like a bonus, you cannot use just one scripture to respond grin grin grin

Maximus69: or forget it and go on with whatever you wish!

Achorladey: See person wey wan torment me grin grin grin grin

Maximus69: For your information, Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis would also challenge Jesus for not bearing the name written in the scriptures that the Messiah will bear which is "Emmanuel"[/b

[b]Achorladey
: Assumptions and speculations when he told them he is son of God, what did they do to him grin grin grin

This discussion has shown how you can equally discredit what your beliefs are grin grin grin grin

In the words of Russell as captured in the image below what did the first person converted from WEEDS to WHEAT say about the name you should bear? grin grin grin grin

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES or CHRISTIAN?grin grin grin grin grin

And after selecting your answer, how many times did your answer appear there?

Mr Tormenter can you show us what is in 1 Peter 4:16 grin grin grin grin grin

Do you Mr Tormenter follow what is in 1 Peter 4:16?

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:56am On Sep 06
achorladey:

Maximus69: I've finished you so now what remains is where it was written in the scriptures that God will reveal a new GROUP name to Rutherford in 1931 shey? :
Achorladey: Declaring victory upon nothing grin grin grin cheesy I only gave one question with the second one more like a bonus, you cannot use just one scripture to respond grin grin grin
Maximus69: or forget it and go on with whatever you wish!
Achorladey: See person wey wan torment me grin grin grin grin
Maximus69: For your information, Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis would also challenge Jesus for not bearing the name written in the scriptures that the Messiah will bear which is "Emmanuel"[/b
[b]Achorladey
: Assumptions and speculations when he told them he is son of God, what did they do to him grin grin grin
This discussion has shown how you can equally discredit what your beliefs are grin grin grin grin
In the words of Russell as captured in the image below what did the first person converted from WEEDS to WHEAT say about the name you should bear grin grin grin grin
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES or CHRISTIAN grin grin grin grin grin

The highlighted shows you're just deluding yourself with false reasonings! cheesy

For your information, Russell only played his part in the restoration of pure worship, he is NOT the founder of this GROUP! cheesy

That's why the Organization has improved greatly over the past decades, leaving most of what Russell believe behind!

For your information, Russell celebrated Christmas in his own time but today Jehovah's Witnesses globally abhor such Festivities!

So how do you now bring what he said forward when most of the things he believed has been refined? cheesy

John the baptist was the prophet who baptized Jesus, yet Jesus taught many things that John himself didn't know, so leave Russell and focus on what is working out LOVE, JOY and PEACE in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses today! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 10:11am On Sep 06
Maximus69:


The highlighted shows you're just deluding yourself with false reasonings! cheesy

For your information, Russell only played his part in the restoration of pure worship, he is NOT the founder of this GROUP! cheesy

That's why the Organization has improved greatly over the past decades, leaving most of what Russell believe behind!

For your information, Russell celebrated Christmas in his own time but today Jehovah's Witnesses globally abhor such Festivities!

So how do you now bring what he said forward when most of the things he believed has been refined? cheesy

John the baptist was the prophet who baptized Jesus, yet Jesus taught many things that John himself didn't know, so leave Russell and focus on what is working out LOVE, JOY and PEACE in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses today! smiley

Maximus69: The highlighted shows you're just deluding yourself with false reasonings! cheesy

Achorladey: grin grin grin cheesy grin grin you cannot answer my question but you call it DELUSION grin grin grin grin and false reasoning brother Russell reach there before me grin grin grin grin

you brought forth a name JEHOVAH'S WITNESS in order to tanish the name CHRISTIAN by placing the tags such as..... the cursed name, the borrowed name e.t.c

You deem it fit to say Russell is not the founder of the organization grin grin grin grin cheesy one of your magazine this year states........MORE than a century ago, Brother C. T. Russell and his associates, a small group of other students of God’s Word, began to meet together.

Is he your brother or not.

Maximus69: So how do you now bring what he said forward when most of the things he believed has been refined

Achorladey: Why do the present leaders of your ORGANIZATION still bring his words forwards since it has been REFINED or discarded grin grin grin grin

Did you refine 1 Peter 4:16 too grin grin grin grin grin.

Maximus69: Russell only played his part in the restoration of pure worship

Achorladey: Oga Maximus69 his part is all I need. There will be nothing like WTBTS had RUSSELL not exist, you agree? What you call earthly part of Jehovah's organization will not EXIST grin grin grin grin grin

In the words of Russell as captured in the image previous to this what did the first person converted from WEEDS to WHEAT say about the name you should bear? shocked shocked shocked

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES or CHRISTIAN? shocked shocked shocked

And after selecting your answer, how many times did your answer appear there?

Mr Tormenter can you show us what is in 1 Peter 4:16 shocked shocked shocked shocked You never see anything grin grin

Do you Mr Tormenter follow what is in 1 Peter 4:16?

Don't tell me REFINEMENT oooooo Rutherford didn't refine 1 Peter 4:16 grin grin grin grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 10:35am On Sep 06
achorladey:

Maximus69: The highlighted shows you're just deluding yourself with false reasonings! cheesy
Achorladey: grin grin grin cheesy grin grin you cannot answer my question but you call it DELUSION grin grin grin grin and false reasoning brother Russell reach there before me grin grin grin grin
you brought forth a name JEHOVAH'S WITNESS in order to tanish the name CHRISTIAN by placing the tags such as..... the cursed name, the borrowed name e.t.c
You didn't deem it fit to say Russell is not the founder of the organization grin grin grin grin cheesy one of your magazine this year states........MORE than a century ago, Brother C. T. Russell and his associates, a small group of other students of God’s Word, began to meet together.
Is he your brother or not.
Maximus69: So how do you now bring what he said forward when most of the things he believed has been refined
Achorladey: Why do the present leaders of your ORGANIZATION still bring his words forwards since it has been REFINED or discarded grin grin grin grin
Did you refine 1 Peter 4:16 too grin grin grin grin grin.
Maximus69: Russell only played his part in the restoration of pure worship
Achorladey: Oga Maximus69 his part is all I need. There will be nothing like WTBTS had RUSSELL not exist, you agree. What you call earthly part of Jehovah's organization will not EXIST grin grin grin grin grin
In the words of Russell as captured in the image previous to this what did the first person converted from WEEDS to WHEAT say about the name you should bear? shocked shocked shocked
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES or CHRISTIAN? shocked shocked shocked
And after selecting your answer, how many times did your answer appear there?
Mr Tormenter can you show us what is in 1 Peter 4:16 shocked shocked shocked shocked You never see anything grin grin
Do you Mr Tormenter follow what is in 1 Peter 4:16?
Don't tell me REFINEMENT oooooo Rutherford didn't refine 1 Peter 4:16 grin grin grin grin grin

Walahi Talahi you've been thoroughly deceived! cheesy

Note that the Watchtower didn't refer to him as "Pastor Russell" the title he held throughout his life time! wink

Well it's because he's not our Shepherd Jesus Christ, he's just one out of the cloud of Witnesses {Hebrew 12:1} that JEHOVAH used in the restoration of pure worship, so he is surely our brother but the light has gotten much brighter {Proverbs 4:18} than what he knew in his time!

Remember that each generation of Jehovah's Witnesses continue to increase in knowledge and wisdom about Jehovah, Jehovah himself said we (Witnesses) will ever continue to learn new things always! Ecclesiastes 3:11

So don't expect us to remain stagnant at anytime because each time we learn something new, the whole flock move at once, that's why someone who leave the Organization last year can't meet up with those who are still moving with Jehovah's Organization! wink
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by haddeylium(m): 10:48am On Sep 06
achorladey:


haddeylium: Nexttime when you see polysemic word as this..

Achorladey: grin grin grin Poly carries a sense of more than one. Not only did I give you the meaning, I gave you similar words for assertions that is more than one

haddeylium: You'll check the context for the meaning.

Achorladey: Pele Oga contextual grin grin grin you said what I said are assertions( it lacks evidence or supports) that's your viewpoint. Not mine.

What is my viewpoinvt about what I said( when you read your dictionary meaning 1 and meaning 3 you will understand why assertion is POLYSEMIC grin grin grin

haddeyllium: Check the image attached

Achorladey: After checking I found out what Posted earlier is found in number 1 and 3 but you the master at context jump to number 2 grin grin grin

haddeylium: You owe me for this lesson oo...lol

Achorladey: If this were to be screening test for you. It leave less to desire.

haddeylium: If you find it liberating leaving Jehovah's organization; it shouldn't be giving you PTSD when they're mentioned nahh

Achorladey: As if Jesus ever said it is when you Join "Jehovah's organization" is liberating grin grin

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) grin grin grin grin because I mention your organization a lot it means I have PTSD grin grin grin. I told you earlier from tags, labels, name calling you go enter insults. Your people here are masters at it. It didn't take long before you join.

Before it is because they didn't give me their daughter to marry, now it is PTSD grin grin grin

haddeylium: I bet, your most typed word on this forum is Jw organization grin

Achorladey: Take that to the central back of Nairaland and cash it out grin grin grin

haddeylium: Ogaaa, why noww

Achorladey: The stuff touch you gan an. Sorry

haddeylium: It's not that difficult...is it?...Move on with your life and teach people your new found truth

Achorladey: grin grin grin grin grin Simply because I make comment and post about your beliefs and the organization you belong my life is STAGNANT and its difficult to move on with my life.

I repeat, Oga haddeylium this is Nairaland forum, you didn't ask me to register, I didn't ask you to register. I haven't disclosed to you that I want to create a JUSTIFICATION for leaving "JEHOVAH'S organization" shocked shocked shocked



You've been slacking these days oo, get a grasp of yourself...you don't seems to have content no more


Like Maximus would say; I'm through with you!

And please, don't reply!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by haddeylium(m): 10:56am On Sep 06
Maximus69:


Walahi Talahi you've been thoroughly deceived! cheesy

Note that the Watchtower didn't refer to him as "Pastor Russell" the title he held throughout his life time! wink

Well it's because he's not our Shepherd Jesus Christ, he's just one out of the cloud of Witnesses {Hebrew 12:1} that JEHOVAH used in the restoration of pure worship, so he is surely our brother but the light has gotten much brighter {Proverbs 4:18} than what he knew in his time!

Remember that each generation of Jehovah's Witnesses continue to increase in knowledge and wisdom about Jehovah, Jehovah himself said we his Witnesses will ever continue to learn new things always! Ecclesiastes 3:11

So don't expect us to remain stagnant at anytime because each time we learn something new, the whole flock move at once, that's why someone who leave the Organization last year can't meet up with those who are still moving with Jehovah's Organization! wink


Solid food like this belongs to mature people(Heb 5:14)
He still needs lesson on elementary things, so I don't expect him to understand things meant for mature christain
I don't think it's profitable going forth with him
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Blabbermouth: 10:59am On Sep 06
Maximus69:


The highlighted is where your delusion hides from you!
Alright.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 11:03am On Sep 06
haddeylium:


You've been slacking these days oo, get a grasp of yourself...you don't seems to have content no more
Like Maximus would say; I'm through with you!
And please, don't reply!

Anytime i respond to his post, it's not meant to convince him but to expose his rebelliousness as one of the weeds Jesus' angels are separating from his wheat {Matthew 13:25, 30} he already knows his spiritual status that he doesn't belong to the GROUP having the same line of thought but followers of this thread needs to know why this weed is no more with us {1John 2:19} it's not just because he doesn't want to remain in our midst otherwise he could have forgotten all about JW Organization and continue with his life, but it's Jesus' angels (the reapers) {Matthew 13:39} that's removing him from within the wheat, it's just pathetic that he is unaware of the new development! embarassed
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 11:07am On Sep 06
Blabbermouth:

Alright.

I understand you my friend!

Please this may hurt but it's the bitter truth! undecided
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 11:27am On Sep 06
Maximus69:


Walahi Talahi you've been thoroughly deceived! cheesy

Note that the Watchtower didn't refer to him as "Pastor Russell" the title he held throughout his life time! wink

Well it's because he's not our Shepherd Jesus Christ, he's just one out of the cloud of Witnesses {Hebrew 12:1} that JEHOVAH used in the restoration of pure worship, so he is surely our brother but the light has gotten much brighter {Proverbs 4:18} than what he knew in his time!

Remember that each generation of Jehovah's Witnesses continue to increase in knowledge and wisdom about Jehovah, Jehovah himself said we (Witnesses) will ever continue to learn new things always! Ecclesiastes 3:11

So don't expect us to remain stagnant at anytime because each time we learn something new, the whole flock move at once, that's why someone who leave the Organization last year can't meet up with those who are still moving with Jehovah's Organization! wink

Maximus69:Walahi Talahi you've been thoroughly deceived! cheesy

Achorladey: Leave deceived alone and face what is before you.

Maximus69: Note that the Watchtower didn't refer to him as "Pastor Russell" the title he held throughout his life time! wink

Achorladey: grin grin grin cheesy where in my post did I use Pastor grin grin grin grin another DIVERSION. Pastor or no pastor without RUSSELL, there is nothing like WTBTS. Take it to the central bank of Nairaland. You will cash out grin grin grin grin. Rutherford will be no where to be found in the scheme of things grin grin grin cheesy

Maximus69: So don't expect us to remain stagnant at anytime because each time we learn something new, the whole flock move at once, that's why someone who leave the Organization last year can't meet up with those who are still moving with Jehovah's Organization! wink

Achorladey: When I bring materials from your magazines including recent ones that touches so many point how you keep chopping and changing you look elsewhere grin grin grin grin. If you like stagnate your palaver, if you like move, your palaver. You don't really know when you move anyway. Its what they tell you, you do. Remember your boat illustration the other time. It is funny COMPASS and MAP no dey your hand cheesy grin

Well all the above is DIVERSION from the main attraction Jehovah's witness and Christian

In the words of Russell as captured in the image previous to this what did the first person converted from WEEDS to WHEAT say about the name you should bear?


JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES or CHRISTIAN?

And after selecting your answer, how many times did your answer appear there?


Mr Tormenter can you show us what is in 1 Peter 4:16. You never see anything


Do you Mr Tormenter follow what is in 1 Peter 4:16?


Don't tell me REFINEMENT or DECEIVED oooooo Rutherford didn't refine 1 Peter 4:16

You never respond!

Look at this picture below concerning your REFINEMENT grin grin grin grin and DECEPTION grin grin grin grin

What is Christian doing besides Jehovah's witnesses. grin cheesy grin grin

Why is Christian on the same line with Jehovah's witnesses.

What kind of information are you passing across with such HEADINGS?

Are you a Christian congregation or not?

Those are your materials from the leaders of your ORGANIZATION till today. grin grin grin

Comeback and tell me REFINERY or REFINEMENT or DECEPTION grin grin grin grin

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 11:38am On Sep 06
haddeylium:



You've been slacking these days oo, get a grasp of yourself...you don't seems to have content no more


Like Maximus would say; I'm through with you!

And please, don't reply!

haddeylium: You've been slacking these days oo,

Achorladey: How do you measure slackness grin grin grin grin

haddeylium: get a grasp of yourself...

Achorladey: Face what is before you, it is still myself you are not the owner of myself. The life I live don't originate from you grin grin grin grin

haddeylium: you don't seems to have content no more

Achorladey: grin grin grin grin grin grin and you are responding and don't want me to reply you grin grin grin grin

haddeylium: Like Maximus would say; I'm through with you!

Achorladey: Thank you for bringing it to my notice that you have reach your destination grin grin grin grin

haddeylium: And please, don't reply

Achorladey: What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 11:45am On Sep 06
Maximus69:


Anytime i respond to his post, it's not meant to convince him but to expose his rebelliousness as one of the weeds Jesus' angels are separating from his wheat {Matthew 13:25, 30} he already knows his spiritual status that he doesn't belong to the GROUP having the same line of thought but followers of this thread needs to know why this weed is no more with us {1John 2:19} it's not just because he doesn't want to remain in our midst otherwise he could have forgotten all about JW Organization and continue with his life, but it's Jesus' angels (the reapers) {Matthew 13:39} that's removing him from within the wheat, it's just pathetic that he is unaware of the new development! embarassed

Maximus69: Anytime i respond to his post, it's not meant to convince him but to expose his rebelliousness as one of the weeds Jesus' angels are separating from his wheat

Achorladey: See same person struggling to grapple with same discussion previously on this thread and another bragging again grin grin grin grin

Maximus69: his spiritual status that he doesn't belong to the GROUP having the same line of thought but followers of this thread needs to know why this weed is no more with us. 1John 2:19

Achorladey: grin grin grin grin grin Quote your 1 John 2:19 make we see grin grin grin grin if they wrote Jehovah's organization there or GROUP grin grin grin grin

Maximus69: but it's Jesus' angels (the reapers) {Matthew 13:39} that's removing him from within the wheat, it's just pathetic that he is unaware of the new development!

Achorladey: See Maximus69 the new Jesus angel that knows WHEATS from WEEDS grin grin grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rabzy: 2:46pm On Sep 06
brocab:
You just answered it--this is enough proof to tell us you are a false prophet..
{John 14: 8-9} Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?…
So how does anyone come to the Father without Jesus standing at the Door..

Still unanswered, show me a publication where JW teach that you don't need Jesus to get to the father...shikena

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rabzy: 2:48pm On Sep 06
Ken4Christ:
So, this thread is still on. The Jehovah Witness will never admit they are a false group. They turn the Bible upside down. They are anti Christ. Their punishment will be worse in the very hell they don't believe exist.

Can you show as where some people's punishment in hell will be worse than others, or are you guys just making these things up as you go.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 4:01pm On Sep 06
rabzy:


Still unanswered, show me a publication where JW teach that you don't need Jesus to get to the father...shikena

Wahala Yaso! grin

Jesus set the standard that will help honest hearted and sincere people reach the father but workers of iniquity {Matthew 7:23} are saying "there is no need for standards, just worship Jesus!" cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 4:47pm On Sep 06
Eagban:

I can give you 30 different Bible translations of John 1:1 but you can't give me 15 different translations that supports your New world translation. The one you'll most likely quote will be the one of Johannes Greber( a known Spirit medium).

LIAR grin

Bros, if majority is Jehovah's yardstick, Noah and his offsprings won't survive the Great Deluge grin

If majority is Jehovah's yardstick, Lot and his daughters won't survive the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah grin.
Is Matthew 7:13-14, in your Bible?


The bone of contention here is how the last words (Greek1510 and Greek 2316) in John1:1 should be translated.

In the entire Bible there is only one legitimate way of translating Greek 1510, Greek 2316).

There are 3 genuine evidences for sticking to the legitimate way for translating Greek John 1:1c.
*1) Greek 1510, 2316 is the same Greek grammatical construct in both places it is found in the holy Bible- Acts 28:6 and John 1:1c.
Greek 1510 Greek 2316= was a god.
" A god" meaning "godlike, like God, "divine/divine nature/quality
A god is divine, of God, like God but not Yahweh EL Shaddai. (Check "Divine" , your Dictionary go help you small grin.
Exodus 7:1 Yahweh made Moses divine.
See the Dictionary screenshot)

Note:
Angel Michael meaning " the Messenger,son of God Who is like God?" grin

*2 Greek John 1:1b= The word (Jesus) was facing towards the God (Yahweh).

Trinity mongers, Is Almighty Yahweh facing towards himself?
If you are honest, only different spirit beings will face towards each other.
grin grin grin grin


*3) The harmonious validation of the New Testament by the Old Testament provided very strong evidences for disclaimer of the dubious but popular version of John 1:1c.
Deut 6:4, Yahweh is one God.
John 17:3. One True God is the Father of Jesus, according to Jesus.
John20:17, Rev3:5,12,21 One True God is our Father/God and the God/Father of Jesus Christ in heaven since time immemorial.
According to Jesus.


Ephesians 4:6, One God the Father who is over all.

1 Corinthians 3:23 Jesus Christ belongs to God his Father.
Every child belongs to his Father grin grin.

Genesis1:26 = Job38:4-7/Hebrew 1:2.
Genesis1:26, Yahweh was talking to his sons in the spirit realm, angels. Jesus is one of them.
grin grin grin grin


Trinity is a man made Scam
grin

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban: 5:23pm On Sep 06
Janosky:


LIAR grin

Bros, if majority is Jehovah's yardstick, Noah and his offsprings won't survive the Great Deluge grin

If majority is Jehovah's yardstick, Lot and his daughters won't survive the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah grin.
Is Matthew 7:13-14, in your Bible?


The bone of contention here is how the last words (Greek1510 and Greek 2316) in John1:1 should be translated.

In the entire Bible there is only one legitimate way of translating Greek 1510, Greek 2316).

There are 3 genuine evidences for sticking to the legitimate way for translating Greek John 1:1c.
*1) Greek 1510, 2316 is the same Greek grammatical construct in both places it is found in the holy Bible- Acts 28:6 and John 1:1c.
Greek 1510 Greek 2316= was a god.
" A god" meaning "godlike, like God, "divine/divine nature/quality
A god is divine, of God, like God but not Yahweh EL Shaddai. (Check "Divine" , your Dictionary go help you small grin.
Exodus 7:1 Yahweh made Moses divine.
See the Dictionary screenshot)

Note:
Angel Michael meaning " the Messenger,son of God Who is like God?" grin

*2 Greek John 1:1b= The word (Jesus) was facing towards the God (Yahweh).

Trinity mongers, Is Almighty Yahweh facing towards himself?
If you are honest, only different spirit beings will face towards each other.
grin grin grin grin


*3) The harmonious validation of the New Testament by the Old Testament provided very strong evidences for disclaimer of the dubious but popular version of John 1:1c.
Deut 6:4, Yahweh is one God.
John 17:3. One True God is the Father of Jesus, according to Jesus.
John20:17, Rev3:5,12,21 One True God is our Father/God and the God/Father of Jesus Christ in heaven since time immemorial.
According to Jesus.


Ephesians 4:6, One God the Father who is over all.

1 Corinthians 3:23 Jesus Christ belongs to God his Father.
Every child belongs to his Father grin grin.

Genesis1:26 = Job38:4-7/Hebrew 1:2.
Genesis1:26, Yahweh was talking to his sons in the spirit realm, angels. Jesus is one of them.
grin grin grin grin


Trinity is a man made Scam
grin
These are translations of John 1:1 from different Bible societies...

¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 JUB
https://bible.com/bible/1077/jhn.1.1.JUB

In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 GNB
https://bible.com/bible/296/jhn.1.1.GNB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
John 1:1 YLT98
https://bible.com/bible/821/jhn.1.1.YLT98

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 ASV
https://bible.com/bible/12/jhn.1.1.ASV

In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.
John 1:1 CEV
https://bible.com/bible/392/jhn.1.1.CEV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Yochanan (Jhn) 1:1 CJB
https://bible.com/bible/1275/jhn.1.1.CJB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.1.1.NASB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Yochanan 1:1 WMB
https://bible.com/bible/1209/jhn.1.1.WMB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 RSV
https://bible.com/bible/2020/jhn.1.1.RSV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.1.1.KJV. ..

And this is your own version of it :-
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god(NWT).

How come all these Bible societies see God in capital letters and your translation committee didn't see it..?

And for your information I do not dislike the Jehovah's witnesses, I only dislike the disregard for the Mighty God(Jesus) Isaiah 9:6..

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:38pm On Sep 06
Eagban:

These are translations of John 1:1 from different Bible societies...

¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 JUB
https://bible.com/bible/1077/jhn.1.1.JUB

In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 GNB
https://bible.com/bible/296/jhn.1.1.GNB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
John 1:1 YLT98
https://bible.com/bible/821/jhn.1.1.YLT98

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 ASV
https://bible.com/bible/12/jhn.1.1.ASV

In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.
John 1:1 CEV
https://bible.com/bible/392/jhn.1.1.CEV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Yochanan (Jhn) 1:1 CJB
https://bible.com/bible/1275/jhn.1.1.CJB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.1.1.NASB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Yochanan 1:1 WMB
https://bible.com/bible/1209/jhn.1.1.WMB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 RSV
https://bible.com/bible/2020/jhn.1.1.RSV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.1.1.KJV. ..

And this is your own version of it :-
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god(NWT).

How come all these Bible societies see God in capital letters and your translation committee didn't see it..?

And for your information I do not dislike the Jehovah's witnesses, I only dislike the disregard for the Mighty God(Jesus) Isaiah 9:6..


Empty arguements based on paperworks and on internet with nothing to show for your FAITH is DEAD! James 2:18-26 cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban: 6:52pm On Sep 06
Maximus69:


Empty arguements based on paperworks and on internet with nothing to show for your FAITH is DEAD! James 2:18-26 cheesy

Just know that Jesus is God (John 1:1).

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DappaD: 6:55pm On Sep 06
Eagban:

These are translations of John 1:1 from different Bible societies...

¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 JUB
https://bible.com/bible/1077/jhn.1.1.JUB

In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 GNB
https://bible.com/bible/296/jhn.1.1.GNB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
John 1:1 YLT98
https://bible.com/bible/821/jhn.1.1.YLT98

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 ASV
https://bible.com/bible/12/jhn.1.1.ASV

In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.
John 1:1 CEV
https://bible.com/bible/392/jhn.1.1.CEV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Yochanan (Jhn) 1:1 CJB
https://bible.com/bible/1275/jhn.1.1.CJB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.1.1.NASB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Yochanan 1:1 WMB
https://bible.com/bible/1209/jhn.1.1.WMB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 RSV
https://bible.com/bible/2020/jhn.1.1.RSV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.1.1.KJV. ..

And this is your own version of it :-
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god(NWT).

How come all these Bible societies see God in capital letters and your translation committee didn't see it..?

And for your information I do not dislike the Jehovah's witnesses, I only dislike the disregard for the Mighty God(Jesus) Isaiah 9:6..

Uncle/Aunty Eagban, if we're to talk about John 1:1—you're going to have to free your mind and leave all forms of sentiment out of this and it should be noted that it's one thing to consider a Bible translation and it's a TOTALLY different thing to consider the ORIGINAL SCRIPTURAL TEXT.

Take a look at the picture below. We see two forms of Greek expressions of “God”.

The first one “Theon” [God] is preceded by a Greek definite article “ton” which in English corresponds to “the” definite article.
This first form is usually and always designated to the Supreme One, the Almighty God alone—Jehovah(Psalm 83:18)
The second one however is “Theos” [god] occurs without a definite article indicating that this can be designated to others—unlike “Theon” that's assigned to One Person only—the true God Jehovah.
Jesus(The Word/Spokesman of God/firstborn and only begotten Son of God) is the one bearing this “god” title in John 1:1 indicating that he also occupies a high position and is of divine nature but not the same as his Father, Jehovah (John 20:17, 1Corinthians 8:6)
It's just like how the men of Israel during the time of the judges wielded power so as to be referred to as “gods”—Please compare Psalm 82:6 with John 10:34-35

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:02pm On Sep 06
Eagban:


Just know that Jesus WAS God (John 1:1).

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa my own Bible said

In the beginning WAS the word (Jesus) and the word (Jesus) WAS with God and the word (Jesus) WAS a god John 1:1

So Jesus WAS God/god, meaning presently he is not God! wink

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban: 7:54pm On Sep 06
DappaD:

Uncle/Aunty Eagban, if we're to talk about John 1:1—you're going to have to free your mind and leave all forms of sentiment out of this and it should be noted that it's one thing to consider a Bible translation and it's a TOTALLY different thing to consider the ORIGINAL SCRIPTURAL TEXT.

Take a look at the picture below. We see two forms of Greek expressions of “God”.

The first one “Theon” [God] is preceded by a Greek definite article “ton” which in English corresponds to “the” definite article.
This first form is usually and always designated to the Supreme One, the Almighty God alone—Jehovah(Psalm 83:18)
The second one however is “Theos” [god] occurs without a definite article indicating that this can be designated to others—unlike “Theon” that's assigned to One Person only—the true God Jehovah.
Jesus(The Word/Spokesman of God/firstborn and only begotten Son of God) is the one bearing this “god” title in John 1:1 indicating that he also occupies a high position and is of divine nature but not the same as his Father, Jehovah (John 20:17, 1Corinthians 8:6)
It's just like how the men of Israel during the time of the judges wielded power so as to be referred to as “gods”—Please compare Psalm 82:6 with John 10:34-35





This is how Biblehub.com rendered it... And I am very much satisfied with it.

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 8:01pm On Sep 06
Eagban:


This is how Biblehub.com rendered it... And I am very much satisfied with it.

Bros, in your screenshots, tell us what was omitted twice in Greek3588 ? Why was it omitted twice? Was it omitted in the Greek manuscript?

Bros , compare the Greek lexicon of John 14:1 and John 17:3, is the same Greek spelling for
'the God' @John1:1 applied to the Word (Jesus) @ John 17:3 and John 14:1?

grin

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban: 8:16pm On Sep 06
Janosky:


Bros, in your screenshots, tell us what was omitted twice in Greek3588 ? Why was it omitted twice? Was it omitted in the Greek manuscript? grin
You just wasting your time arguing. Jesus Christ remains who He is - The MIGHTY GOD (Isaiah 9:6).

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