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DexterousOne:
For goodness sake
Iran has been on sanctions for a very very long time
Obama gave them some relief in exchange for stopping uranium enrichment
Iran agreed
China and Rusia agreed
EU agreed
We had a comprehensive deal
But israel was unhappy

Now they have a lackey in Trump
And not only did he renege on the deal
He imposes imposed sanctions on the govt
What kind of retard is this?

You seem to dwel in the dark, do you think it is only the US that is imposing sanctions on them, including international organizations e.g EU, UN etc and various countries e.g Russia, China, India, England etc, all of them with sanctions on various grounds or same grounds inclusively breach of agreements or contract. Why can't you ask yourself, why is iran the only country with so much implications(sanctions)....?. They are not trustworthy, they don't want to live in peace with Isreal, they prefer doing arm deals with terrorist. You still talk with 'BK' at ur a**.

DexterousOne:
Iran already came into an agreement with the US EU Russia and China

Only for idiot in chief Trump to assume office and renege on am agreement

The question rather should be
Why did the USA renege on an multi partisan deal ..

But American influence over the media always skews things

Brother, if you might recall, trump was actually working with iran with it's nuclear enrichment program. About 2years ago Pres. Trump part ways with them as there was discrepacies inthe arrangement and there was a fishy relationship between EU and the Iranians, as the EU that sanctioned Iran from its SWIFT Banking system now opened another link with them which prompt trump to tighten up the sanction even more, furthermore china called on the US's attention as there was mass movement in it meters which may be related to nuclear testing as of then.

DexterousOne:
You expect the Iranians to accept aid fronba country that is bent on regime change in their country?
If they want to aid Iran
Relax some of the sanctions on them

Jeez many Nigerians reason like retsrds

Even me, i wonder how you think too. Why can't you brilliantly ask the Iran Govt. to stop what is imposing the sanction( IF AT ALL THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR CITIZENS WELL BEING, thereby come to an agreement with the USA, and uphold it's pledges (Among others : Stop nuclear experimentation, Cease funding and arms dealing with terror organisations(thus, iran are among arms dealing nations). One question for you, Nigeria that deals with crude oil with higher level of corruption has at least 4 medical facilities that can detect the Coronavirus, but Iran that is among world no. 1 to 10 oil producing countries has not up to 3 medical facilities that can detect the virus. ''Where do you think the trillions made from oil business went to..?

ABIAfirstman:



Trump no get chill, but Iran is stubborn. Iran should back down on its nuclear enrichment, then America will listen to them. No reason to cry when you cannot move your ground.

Sometimes i ought to wonder what my brethens are thinking, instead of them wailing for Iran, why could'nt them advice Iran to stop it's Nuclear enrichment program and come to an agreement with the USA. If Iran happens to be our nation what would you advice our FG to do...? A Question for them wailers.

Amaa2019:
Wonders shal never end, see the same person who talk say Northern gov quick close skul cos them no wan learn (dem prefer illiteracy) today na same man dey talk why govt no close skul from day1

Young have already said the guy talk too much, and he is an excellent hypocrite.

It's as if the FG intend to tackle it at point of entry or maybe if we close our borders entirely, we might end up on Recession menu again. Thus, the opening of our border to Iran is not safe at all, as the COVID19 seems to be enjoying itself with great pleasure there, and the Iran govt. are not so active as they periodically give us update on increased incidents. While, the other nations seems to be faring well with declining updates.

nini007:
Same thing Buhari did with Rice. Closed the borders before he started growing rice, instead of the other way round.

Why can't power be fixed first and see if people will beep buying generating sets.

Misplaced priority!

Bros. The rice thing you mention was actually faulty. Formal President(GOODLUCK JONATHAN) initiated the program of rice farming (AGRO BASED FARMING) including free loan with ZERO INTEREST, which obviously from your comment you were'nt listening or paying attention, that's why it seems you were caught unaware. Assuming all these lazy youths adhere to the program, the closure of our borders would'nt be a serious topic or issue at all. The senator that proposed the ban on generators might have prompt the house to laughter as he is from another zoological constituency (so if herdsmen are not using gen means that everybody won't ultilize generators). And come to think of it, this senator might or have a bachelor degree of .............?

he is the image of his constituency

This is the kind of trend that makes PDP to become deaf and dumb. Now that the trend is going on they won't challenge the FG or protest to any organization for swift execution of the court order. Some kind things for this country dey make APC & PDP keep quiet and act like husband and wife. But wait ooo, Nairaland suppose get he own kind of movement to follow challenge things for inside this country sha...!!!

gwinaB:
The sanctions are for various reasons including development of nuclear weapons which is the latest reason for current crippling sanctions.

True, the sanctions are of various reasons which some individuals failed to acknowledge. Iran is a global threat to world peace (even to our country Nigeria {EZAZAKKY}.

LostAddict:
I quite remember the blockade at the Straits of Hormuz, where the English ship was asked to stop but we can both agreed that it was a reprisal on the west for seizing one of their own. The issue of the nuclear program, Iran was never told to stop but to rather stop production of nuclear weapons which they obeyed till date until a certain Trump came into power.

yeah, but if you recall, Trump was helping iran with its nuclear program (nuclear plant and energy )until few years back( maybe 2years ago) when he decided to part ways as there was something fishy about iran and EU. EU that sanctioned iran by removing iran from it SWIFT Banking system, now opened another banking system for iran of which trump has to further tighten the sanction. Iran is the only country facing multiple sanctions from UN, EU, UK, INDIA, CHINA, RUSSIA, USA etc. Very stubborn child with links to terrorism. The seized iran embargo was has a result of d sanction the EU & UN placed on them.

LostAddict:
I actually like the view you are coming from, but the question at hand is does the United States have core evidence of a nuclear program going on in Iran

Thank you very much for that brilliant question, now imagine someone saying to you that ' i will not stop my nuclear program'. This sentence is quite similar to that of Kim ( North korea's President). The iran has accepted the sanction, that's why they are not opposing the sanction ( or bombing ), but rather, She attack cargo ships that comes through her shores, mind you, She only attacked USA for the killing of Her general. Longstory short, iran said to the whole world that she won't stop her nuclear program. Now tell me what's there to discuse or sympathise with.

Consequence is a word with great torments, as we are made to understand that everybody will be judge according to his/her deeds. Karma always have its ways of getting back at us, the world is a global society with various countries and religions. Inorder to maintain peace everybody must come to an agreement, however any defaulters will be dealt with or sanctioned upon agreed judgements. Iran is a defaulter, and it's been sanctioned likewise other defaulters, if iran is imprison by a govt is'nt it suppose to be the duty of the jailer to provide caterings. If iran is to be pardon, then what will other inmate feel or what message do you think you are sending to potential defaulters. The choice was made by iran with prior knowledge of the penalty involve, as the sanction agreement was signed and endorsed upon consent, iran never which for anybody's sympathy has they believe they can survive just like other defaulters. Its even absurb for USA to offer aid to a bad child that wants to dwell in evil act.

LostAddict:
You don't seem to understand my point, all I am saying is for America to lift the sanctions restricting them from buying drugs and other medical equipment instead of a short term aid. Iran is a sovereign country I suppose so they should be given the chance to handle however they dim fit and not the United States going about claiming big brother.

Ok Now, kindly tell iran to attune from what prompt the sanction, so that they can be liberated. Thus, without them doing the needful, i dont see why the ban should be terminated as there are other nations suffering from same sanction. Now do you know the risk associated with nuclear experiment to climate change and the earth's core...? Well it's no joke to world peace. If iran are wise as they claimed not to accept the aid why cant they renounce nuclear experiment and tick to their profound pledge and obligation to world peace.

LostAddict:
That doesn't mean they can't fend for themselves if the sanction is lifted or does the fact they are underdeveloped stop them from having access to drugs.

Please get this right, if Iran was not sanctioned the USA would'nt be offering them aid. But they are offering aid because iran would'nt survive with the sanction

LostAddict:
I think I understand the point you are trying to make, but the fact still remains that right now America is trying to make a mockery by this aid they are giving Iran. Why not China, why not Italy or is Iran the only infected country if the US is serious about helping they should reduce the sanctions and allow them import drugs. That's my ten cent take on this issue.

Please, among the mentioned nations, iran is no where near their level of economy, technology, science, manpower etc.

ranmoor:
Seems you are yet to be involved in procurement or huge money investment, you will understand that there are lots of conditions attached to deal. Such conditions is not limited to training, information sharing, servicing etc.
I just hope I've not been discussing with one undergraduate or so.

surely, you must be a graduate with poor thinking ability, what concerns being a graduate with opinions or international histories..? NOTE: being a graduate or undergraduate has nothing to do with your sense of reasoning as many undergraduate has made the stand known to us, which includes the likes of facebook owner,dangote,2face,etc.

ranmoor:
Initially u claimed the US is assisting us to fight boko haram because they are big brother. And I told you, it wasn't on good will but because we are good customer. We bought weapons worth billions of naira from them. So no big deal in assisting your customer. Who knows it might even be part of the arms deal?

Do have a nice day.

Lolz. Iran are now the very good customer..

ranmoor:
Initially u claimed the US is assisting us to fight boko haram because they are big brother. And I told you, it wasn't on good will but because we are good customer. We bought weapons worth billions of naira from them. So no big deal in assisting your customer. Who knows it might even be part of the arms deal?

Do have a nice day.

Lolz. Iran are now the very good customer..

ranmoor:
Initially u claimed the US is assisting us to fight boko haram because they are big brother. And I told you, it wasn't on good will but because we are good customer. We bought weapons worth billions of naira from them. So no big deal in assisting your customer. Who knows it might even be part of the arms deal?

Do have a nice day.

Now i know you are some of those nigerians that does'nt see anything good with a good reasons. Always pessimistic about good deeds, well my people perishes with this mindset in nigeria. If buhari give me #100 naw, you go still say i be him daughter boyfriend, family member, driver, errandboy etc. Mindset needs a better approach. do have a nice day too.

ranmoor:
You are so funny... Do you even know Iraq invasion was illegal according to UN?
Here are the list of US illegal invasions


1. Grenada (1983-1984)
2. Bolivia (1986)
3. Virgin Islands (1989)
4. Liberia (1990; 1997; 2003)
5. Saudi Arabia (1990-1991)
6. Kuwait (1991)
7. Somalia (1992-1994; 2006)
8. Bosnia (1993-)
9. Zaire/Congo (1996-1997)
10. Albania (1997)
11. Sudan (1998)
12. Afghanistan (1998; 2001-)
13. Yemen (2000; 2002-)
14. Macedonia (2001)
15. Colombia (2002-)
16 Pakistan (2005-)
17. Syria (2008; 2011-)
18. Uganda (2011)
19. Mali (2013)
20. Niger (2013)
21. Yugoslavia (1919; 1946; 1992-1994; 1999)
22. Iraq (1958; 1963; 1990-1991; 1990-2003; 1998; 2003-2011)
23. Angola (1976-1992)

please nairalanders, go through all the list above and find the reasons for these invasions as the my friend just post headlines with no further information. For any nairalander to contribute or throw more information, please pick one headline and study.

ranmoor:
Is that you don't have data or u refuse to read?
Read
http://saharareporters.com/2017/08/29/us-sells-n181-billion-warplanes-weapons-nigeria

Guy. Understand something here, the usa helped 9ja wit DATA AND INFORMATION not weapons, even the britain helped us wit data not weapon. Never will any country give weapons for free, hope you grabe the meaning of help here( usa are arms dealers not arms charitors) ...

[quote author=ranmoor post=87213746]You are so funny... Do you even know Iraq invasion was illegal according to UN?
Here are the list of US illegal invasions


1. Grenada (1983-1984)
2. Bolivia (1986)
3. Virgin Islands (1989)
4. Liberia (1990; 1997; 2003)
5. Saudi Arabia (1990-1991)
6. Kuwait (1991)
7. Somalia (1992-1994; 2006)
8. Bosnia (1993-)
9. Zaire/Congo (1996-1997)
10. Albania (1997)
11. Sudan (1998)
12. Afghanistan (1998; 2001-)
13. Yemen (2000; 2002-)
14. Macedonia (2001)
15. Colombia (2002-)
16 Pakistan (2005-)
17. Syria (2008; 2011-)
18. Uganda (2011)
you can google all you want but mind you please also google the reasons for that..!!! The list you pull now, can you say what lead to these invasions.? You google only headlines with no information has to why. Yes the usa invaded somalia which was tag the bloodiest mission ever, but have you observe d ducumentary of d invasion...? i knw u re minimizing & posting headlines. Guy observe wit ur conscience & knw why abt d invasio

ranmoor:
1. Last time I checked the Main guy of Slave trade abolishment is Wilberforce a British. The Slave Trade Act 1807, officially An Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade was an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom prohibiting the slave trade in the British Empire.
2. Do you know how much we paid US for weapons ? https://qz.com/africa/1064752/boko-haram-nigeria-has-purchased-593-million-worth-of-military-gear-from-the-us/

Like I said, everything is interest there is no father Christmas anywhere

the weapons you mentioned, is for us to use and return..? Or we approach it for buying. Usa helped us with data informations not weapon.

ranmoor:
You still don't understand how UN works. UN is just figure head. Most of US invasions don't have UN support and they still do it anyway

what do you mean by invasion...? The killing of iran general was for usa not for the world. Apart from the killing of the general what else has the usa done that un members are against..,?

ranmoor:
1. Last time I checked the Main guy of Slave trade abolishment is Wilberforce a British. The Slave Trade Act 1807, officially An Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade was an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom prohibiting the slave trade in the British Empire.
2. Do you know how much we paid US for weapons ? https://qz.com/africa/1064752/boko-haram-nigeria-has-purchased-593-million-worth-of-military-gear-from-the-us/

Like I said, everything is interest there is no father Christmas anywhere

Bros. You should know by now that england dont give a Bleep about anybody( the entire) but themselves (england empire) not the rest of the world. example.
Pres. Abraham lincoln and others fought slavery in their policies and in action.

ranmoor:
US is not even in top 20 but no 30 in health care index ranking in the world

USA are not medicine experts but they will provide fundings and medicine. Even india being number 1 in medicine has stop exporting drugs starting from yesterday of which the whole world will surely suffer from.

ranmoor:
US is not even in top 20 but no 30 in health care index ranking in the world

The sanction you mentioned was agreed upon by the UN of which iran was part of, and mind you iran was a member when other nations were sanction as well (syria etc).

ranmoor:
You should understand nothing is free even in Freetown. Iranians are coping well, the US should lift the sanctions that is affecting them getting medicines if they really want to help

Bros, i disagree with you on 'freetown', if you would google please do, the usa is the only country that always show philathropy ever ' i mean ever'. Example is when they assist us with boko haram until they back of, americans were never for once a slave but they fought for africa freedom from slavery. Everlasting, they are aid givers. Surely view point differs, though iran are not doing well at all.

ranmoor:
It's either plain mockery or Trojan horse. Even the US has been criticised lately of not well prepared for the outbreak and Trump cutting CDC funds.

They should contain their problem first, after they should assist their allies like Korea and Italy.

If it's not hate, then iran would've accept the offer. For example. Hiroshima was bombed by the usa of which thousands died, yet they accept usa hand of aid but just only sanction and killing of a general then you wont accept, well thats hate or a sign for revenge..!!! In opinion per say.

ranmoor:
It's either plain mockery or Trojan horse. Even the US has been criticised lately of not well prepared for the outbreak and Trump cutting CDC funds.

They should contain their problem first, after they should assist their allies like Korea and Italy.

Please, the aid is all about fundings. USA as we all know is capable of catering for itself and it's citizens. So are you saying you being Iran's president will ignore a helping hand and allow your citizens to be deminished with foreseen death...?

ranmoor:
Ancestors? I think I've had enough of you. Ciao

Now that we have debated, so offering aid to iran by the usa is bad....

ranmoor:
Do you know how Israel got to that location? See picture below to see Israel aggression

Are you talking about their ancestors actions ...?