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It's very very unbiblical. I'm not surprised, many so called Christians only follow the Bible when it favors them.

RedboneSmith:


I am a Southern (nominal) Christian. But the bolded statement is very, very ignorant.

oh brother, you're the type that assume there are moderate Muslims. The hard truth is, you're not a Muslim if you don't support jihad, the only means of expanding Islam. Let's not sugarcoat this. Islam believe less in evangelism or using conviction to convert new members. Their only tool is to put fear, subdue, conquer and if they refuse to convert, destroy and exterminate them. This is what Islam is built upon so any moderate Muslims you see out there are fighting jihad with their money and body language. Please I want to see your opposing points.

Isahalbash:
If you think herdsmen killed only Christians, then you are mistaken. Herdsmen kill anyone stopping them from grazing their cattle whether Christians or Muslims, Hausa, Kanuri, Igbo or Yoruba.



Am talking from experience as a child nd now as an adult. The difference is that, d former is easily spread thru social media while d latter don't( maybe because of d state of d country where everything is about religion, tribe or politics).

You're not making sense. You blame spreading news about herdsmen murder on religion, tribes and religion. Would you they rather sweep it under the rug? Muslims have been known to massacre their own in the cause of jihad. They kill others and kill themselves too but that's not a point to invalidate the act of jihad. in jihad, they kill everyone that doesn't agree with their own version of jihad. yes, Fulanis are nobodys friends. They even kill Hausa Kanuri people sometimes. Hausas are their slaves and they do whatever they like with them. But Kanuris are a harder Nut for them. Who is stopping them from grazing their cattle? Oh, you rather they allow them graze their cattles in people's farm? Please listen to your write up and ask yourself what sense you're making.

Fulaman198:
To the Fulani, cattle is Salary, it is what is used sometimes to create butter from the milk, yogurt, so cattle is viewed as an important part of financial freedom for nomadic Fulani. When someone kills your cattle, it's the equivalent of someone stealing your money, property or other prized belongings. I'm not justifying attacks on anyone, however, attacks on Fulani people are also made.

In essence, the victim mentality of African people needs to end. Look at what's happening in Libya, Southern Nigerians are actually helping sell other Nigerians to Mean-spirited Arab bigots. Whenever Africans are hurt or extorted by Europeans or someone else, many view it as ok when it is not, but be it another African group of people, hypocritical hats come on immediately.

Cattle is never the issue here bro. the Christian farmers that's been massacred in their hundreds and thousands in the dead of the night in their villages, and those massacred in their own farm, their farm is playing ground abi? Who's the aggressor here? Who's going about his business peacefully and another uninvited evil guest appears to take his sleep away? You said you are not a good Muslim but bro, you are a good Muslim. Good and Islam are ironic to the word "good". To be a good Muslim, you must be a killer or support killers. And you've been caught doing the second here who also knows how many people you've killed in the name of senseless jihad?

letsbepieces:
This is very wrong.

In actual fact, Igbo are the first migrant to Asaba axis.
In those days, wen different tribes marry, a new language is created, not like today wen they speak English.
Igbo encountered Yoruba whilst migrating westward. This interaction gave birth to Bini.
With time, Some of the bini group migrated North creating the Afamai which is closer to yoruba.
Esan migrated East which is closer to Anioma.
The Urhobo migrated East, where they encountered the Ijaws migrating west and they inter-married to create the Isoko.
This is wat happened.

Ukwuani is spoken in Asaba(Delta), Onitsha(Anambra) and Ogbaru.(Anambra) The language is wat the Ika speak and unrecognizable in Bini due to the Yoruba mixture and other new words. I just thought i impact this knowledge on u.

(Migrating people only settle on unoccupied land to spread out the population and avoid conflict with other groups.)

what are you even talking about? your comment is filled with inconsistencies

ezeagu:
These names are hybrid, just like Ika culture for the most part.

ehi (Edo) + oma (Igbo)
ose (Edo) + dodo (Igbo)
ehi (Edo) + wa riọ (Igbo)
ehi (Edo) + -m (mụ) e nịne omiken (Igbo)

I'm not even sure if 'ehi' is Edo because Ika is Igbo based and the lexicon is mostly Igbo.

All those names are Ika. Ika is borne from mixture of Edo and Igbo. dodo has nothing to do with Igbo. Not sure if Ehi is Edo? ok. your prejudice or perhaps, your ignorance is coming into play here.

bigfrancis21:
Funny enough, about half of these names you list as edoid are actually Igbo in meaning. For example, 'omiken' or 'omiko' in Anambra Igbo. Chukwu onye omiko (God of mercy) is popularly said in Anambra Igbo. Ehi meni m omiken or in central Igbo Chi mere m omiko (God has shown me mercy), Osedodo (Ose is short for Osebuluwa - lord that supports the earth in Igbo and 'doo' is another Igbo word for please in Anambra and Enugu states. For example, Izu doo nwa m patalu m oche), Ehiedu or Chiedu which is a popular Igbo name. The rest could be Bini.

At best these names could be said to be a Bini-Igbo mix, and not entirely Bini.

yes, some of the names are mixture of Bini and Igbo and some are mixture of Bini and indigenous Ika words but. Ose is from Oselobue and dodo is not Igbo. Stop lying. Dodo is the Ika/Esan word for please. Ehi and chi are not the same so how can you substitute ehi with chi? Ehi is to Ika what Chi is to Igbo and can't be correctly substituted.

letsbepieces:
This is very wrong.

In actual fact, Igbo are the first migrant to Asaba axis.
In those days, wen different tribes marry, a new language is created, not like today wen they speak English.
Igbo encountered Yoruba whilst migrating westward. This interaction gave birth to Bini.
With time, Some of the bini group migrated North creating the Afamai which is closer to yoruba.
Esan migrated East which is closer to Anioma.
The Urhobo migrated East, where they encountered the Ijaws migrating west and they inter-married to create the Isoko.
This is wat happened.

Ukwuani is spoken in Asaba(Delta), Onitsha(Anambra) and Ogbaru.(Anambra) The language is wat the Ika speak and unrecognizable in Bini due to the Yoruba mixture and other new words. I just thought i impact this knowledge on u.

(Migrating people only settle on unoccupied land to spread out the population and avoid conflict with other groups.)

what are you even talking about? your comment is filled with inconsistencies

are the Ikwerre actually descendants of Akalaka? how many places were founded by Akalaka? I think Akalaka founded Ekpeye while people from Ekpeye founded Ogba and Ekpeye and Ogba contributed in founding Ikwerre. so they may be right in claiming Akalaka but I don't think he actually founded these places directly.

Girls are so annoying

pazienza:
Says the Oza Edo Man that have been running from pillar to post since the start of this discussion.

Many Igbo communities even in SE has origin stories that trace them as far away as Israel, Igala, Northern Cross River, Bini etc.
It doesn't take much to see how untenable such stories are, when you factor their current Igbo language and culture, so they are rightly called Igbos, their irrational idiosyncrasies notwithstanding.

Your ancestors were spurning Edo origin stories, the British didn't feel convinced, as rather than group you as Eastern Edo, they grouped you as Western Igbo. Deal with that.
Ofcourse, they were aware of insignificant Edo groups like your Oza in Western Igbo, just as they are aware of smaller groups like Kele tribe in SE. But the tail never wagged the dog.

I tell you that the title of King in Umunede before the people out of inferiority complex sought to put themselves under Bini empire was EZE, you disputed this.
I quoted a book by a bona-fide prominent son of Umunede confirming that, you say his political affliation to Atiku made his opinion invalid Like what the hell.

Dude, you have no point at all, and you bore me.

You're irredeemable. I give up on you. You deliberately pick up lines from someone's comments and misinterpret them when you feel defeated in common sense argument.

And to be honest, Ika names can be very funny and outrightly weird sometimes. And our people find them so archaic hence the preference of Igbo names that originally didn't have any root in our traditional beliefs. And Christianity contributed most in this.

RedboneSmith:
I know the breakdown of the name. I just think it sounds funny.

By the way, have you noticed that Ika seems to sound closer to Esan than to Benin? Oje, for example, is Esan. Benin says ogie.

You know this is not exclusive to only Ika names. Some Africans names can be very funny or even weird when translated literally into English. And again, yes. I've observed the very close similarities between Ika and Esan. In the way we speak, Ika sound closer to Esan than Benin. We seem to have much more common words and expressions with Esan than we have with Benin. I've not really thought so much about this but I've observed this from a long time ago

pazienza:
No, earlier colonial documents Refered to the area as Western Igbo.

Yes, nomenclature change over time to reflect modern reality.

From Western Ibos, to Mid west Ibos, to Bendel Ibos/Ika Ibos to Delta Ibos and now Anioma.

Change is constant.
But what remained constant too, is the Igbo nature of the region.

Yes! From my encounter on Internet, majority of the fanatic Edophilic voice in internet from Anioma come from Edoid Oza people.

There is atleast 80% chance that you are from Oza nogogo.

you're confused man. But I think you're doing it deliberately. I'm talking about origin and you're talking about nomenclature which according to you can change. Or can origin change too? Because each time I mention intelligence report and Edo origin, you come with a nomenclature which are entirely two different things

RedboneSmith:
Guy, you funny o. Why would you suggest 'Head of Traditional Healers' as a name for someone (presumably a name she wants to give her child) in 2017?

Ojobu is a very popular Ika name. Ojobu is from Oje meaning king and obu which means a healer or a doctor. How's the best way to literally translate this? A head doctor? Whichever way it's interpreted, it has a very nice meaning. After all, I've seen people that their parents gave doctor as a name in Agbor.

derancephalon:
Hi guys..I'm Ika by marriage and want to know some beautiful Ika igbo names? Can anyone please help me with that?

Ika naming patterns are so perculiar and we give names according to circumstances surrounding the birth or events that happened during the time of birth. But some general Ika names are.
Kpanmiose - thank God
Aghoghom - I rejoice or rejoice
Ighogho - happiness
Ehiedu - God's guidance
Ehikwe. God agreed
Ehiwario. I plead to God
Ehioma. Good lord.
Ehiobu. God is healer.
Ojobu. Head of the traditional healers.
Obuh. Doctor
Erunmuh. Gold.
Osemeke or Ehiemeke. Or Ehiarunka or Osearunka. God do well. These are some of the names that can go for any circumstances.
First you need to understand the concept of ehi. Ehi is the Ika version of the Igbo Chi. Firstly, Ika people started giving so many of the ehi names at the advent of Christianity and later started replacing the ehi with Chi. Any Ika person you see bearing a chi or Chukwu name is not bearing an Ika name. There's no concept of Chi and Chukwu in Ika. We have oselobue as God and ehi s Guardian Spirit or personal God.
I'll give you more names later.

pazienza:
What British intelligent report do you speak of? Umunede and entire Ikaland was catalogued as Western Igbo land and not Eastern Edoland by all available British colonial report . How can you exbhit such ignorance and glory in it in a public forum such as NL?

Odabemeze of Umunede, Hon Chief Igwebuike speaks of existence of an Eze in Umunede before the emergence of first Obi in Umunede.
Even in far away Ikaland like Igbanke in Edo state, Eze remain the original title and name of king.

You are a shameless liar. I suspect you are an Oza Man. Oza Edo people in Agbor are generally at the fore front of the Edophilic campaign in Ikaland.

you assumed I'm an Oza man and the next minute I've become an Oza man. Same way you guys concoct theories this minute and they turn to fact the next minute. Typical of igbos. Earlier colonial documents referred to us as Ika speaking people. Later the people referred to Ika was extended to the Aniochas and Ukwanis. Aren't those a confuse people? And you chose to take such people serious? Intelligence report on Ika and the whole of Ika and Umunede pointed to an Edo origin.

A stranger like you that think you know about my area more than me? Wonders shall never end. Do you know chief Odabemeze? Let me give you a clue. He was a one time deputy chairman of PDP under Nwodo. A right hand man of Atiku Abubakar.

And another reason I asked you to stop putting your mouth into something bigger than you. Chief Odabemeze is a man I know personally. He's a well known strategist and con artist. A man that tried to cause war in Umunede by trying to change their costums. Tried to change Umunede from the original 4 quarters into up to 14 semi autonomous quarters and giving them names I don't know where he got them from. He set each quarters against themselves and tried to gain popularity. It took some time before the people saw through his manipulations and turned against him. He used it to fight Okowa and Agadagidi of Umunede and he was subsequently settled with a 20 million contract to renovate Ika grammar school, a contract he didn't execute. Can you debate with me on something I know very much about?

pazienza:
"The history of Umunede dates back to 1255 A.D with Ede and Iye as its founders, Whose four children Ileje, Obi, Oba and Ile where named after  the four quarters of the town. The leadership system of this ancient town is monarchy and their initial reference/ title their king was Eze until 1919 when the HRH Obi Onyeagwu was given the royal ada (Scimitar) from Oba Eweka 11".


https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/11/concise-compendium-umunede-history/amp/


So I guess I should take the words of an anonymous nairaland character, over those of Odabemeze of Umunede, Chief Igwebuike.

Eze is the first and original word and title for kings in all Igbo speaking realms, From Igbanke to Arochukwu, and from Nsukka to Rebisi.

Every town or clan can have their peculiar title for King, ranging from Obi, Igwe, Okpala ukwu, etc to Enanchioke. But the original title remains Eze. And when you say Eze in those communities, everyone understands that you meant the king.

if you're going by the observations of the white man, go and read the intelligence report on Umunede. What a single anonymous white man wrote doesn't supercede that of the British colonial representatives. And the opinion of the alien white men doesn't count at all as they are total strangers in African ways. Someone that studied and someone that experienced are not the same thing. And yes, the white man can have an interest in Ika and you can't never understand what their interests are. Umunede never had the title of eze. Ogele and Ogiso title existed all over Ikaland in ancient times. Stop putting your mouth into something bigger than you.

Only a few can believe nonsense reports from white men that can't even write people's name and names of their communities and tribes correctly.

pazienza:
You need your head examined.

The white man is prone to being detailed by nature. By, 1930s, the identity of all ethnic groups in the Southern Nigeria were already catalogued, even a multiethinic town like Etteh in Enugu state was noted to be multiethinic in nature, they were that detailed.
They never confused small groups in the East like Andoni and Ogoni for Igbo. They are meticulous.

They smelt lies in the stories your inferiority complex plaqued fore runners were trying to sell and didn't hesitate to point it out.
Notice also that the Ibos they were comparing Umunede with, wereIbos of Enu-ani( Asaba division). They had no doubt about Ibo ethnicity of Enu-ani.

Umunede can be whatever they want to be you lots should not think yourselves important , it's not like they are Kuwait, but that doesn't stop us from pointing out a fraudulent origin history when we see one.

your inferiority complex knows no bound. The white men are known to be great liars and manipulators. They attached personal bias and prejudice in all that they do. The white men didn't smell no lies. The intelligence report on Umunede didn't dispute their Edo origin. The writer of the article the op posted here was only siting one white man and he wasn't representing the British.

pazienza:
But you forgot to mention that before the reception of Ada sword from Bini, the title of the traditional ruler of Umunede, who was more of a figure head than a monarchical powerful king was "Eze".

So much for a Bini people with a King with Eze as title and now Obi( another Igbo title).

Figure head? Stop meddling into what you know nothing about. There was no time Umunede kings were called Eze. Ask anybody from Umunede. Receiving the Ada didn't change the status of Umunede kingship. Nothing changed. It's just a matter of prestige before others Royalties in the old Edo empire. Umunede has always had a king from Ede till Agadagidi.

Umunede structure is ebon (evbo in Edo), Idumu (same in Esan) and Ogbe. Before the whole kingdoms. Stop reading senseless observations from aliens.

Klinee:
You are a liar!!! Umunede doesn't have any atom of edoid structure in the dialect may be because of their proximity to Aniocha.

Stop spewing nonsense you know nothing about. What is your basis of argument? Because a white man that can't differentiate between the GA of Ghana and Yorubas of Nigeria said Umunede is structured like the Igbos of Ogwashi. Whats igbos of Ogwashi? FYI, Ogwashi is an Aniocha town and most Aniocha towns have many Ika elements and by extension, Edo elements in the way they're structure. This white people that think they know a people more than they know themselves. Why are all their observations not always in tandem with themselves?

pazienza:
However, Stanfield (1936: 1) states
the following about his observations of
the Umunede people:
From legend of their origin are of Bini
descent, but in their language and social
structure they resemble closely the Ibos
of the Ogwashi and Uburukwu clans in the
Asaba Division.


Well, what are you not saying! A distorted history right from time immemorial, so much that any neutral observer would notice the Discrepancy.

A bini people that without force or push, dumped their Bini language for Igbo language, right from the first day they left Bini. This must be unprecedented in history of human groups. Kam nukwa.

observation of a white alien novice that can hardly tell the difference between Ashanti tribe of Ghana and the Igbo people of Nigeria observed a similarity between structure of Umunede and Igbo and you're happy about it. OK. Umunede is structured is one of the most Edoid in whole of Ika. He even said similar to igbos of Ogwashi. Ignorance. Ogwashi is an Aniocha town and they sometimes structure their clans like Ika hence by extension Edo.

pazienza:
According to Stanfield (1939: , "there were
no titles in Umunede until 1919 when the
then Eze (named Niago) obtained an Ada
from Eweka, Oba of Benin." This resulted
in the first Obi title and the start of the
monarchical system like those found in
some of the Ika clans.

This is how the identity crisis and history manipulation starts. They revere the Bini empire. Seek for Oba bini protection, Oba obliges and sends them a stooge, probably a Bini one, who introduces Bini government words in the royal courts, probably marries from the natives, and soon the native starts claiming to have all migrated from Bini, simply because they have it bad for Bini, when in actual sense, they were originally republicans who spoke and still speak Igbo, but now have a foreign(Bini) leader who introduces Bini modelled monarchy with many Bini elements into the originally Igbo community, and even brings many of Edo people into the area.

But because the natives had always been Igbo, and are in majority, the. language of the whole community eventually ends up as an Igbo dialect that had become tainted with too many Bini/ edo words.

This to me, is the story of Ika and her Bini ancestry claim.

The bolded is not true. Umunede became a full autonomous kingdom in 1919 when the Ada sword was reteived from the Oba. There's always been an Eben sword which means Umunede was still under the rulership of the Oba of Bini as it has been from the beginning of Umunede. But there's always a hereditary and royal family. And the lineage of Ede is being maintained till date. The writer is limited in knowledge.

Nice job guys

soliddust2020:
bro i disagree. He tarred a few roads less than 1km or so, then he patched or poured alsphat on already tarred road by previous administration, don't be fooled by those so called smart agenda sign board you see. In ughellli and environs he didn't do any road, obviously warri guys are complaining. Okowa is making uduaghan look like a saint.

Bro, let's learn to criticize with conscience. Okowa and Uduaghan are not in the same league. Even Ibori owed workers and people complained of lack of infrastructure but you can't compare delta state earnings during Ibori and Uduaghan to what we have now. And Ibori has a hand in the non performance of Okowa and Uduaghan.

soliddust2020:
I live in asaba. Can you tell me which roads in asaba you talking about? probably the roads constructed by ibori or uduaghan. Major roads like okpanam is in a mess, how about marian babaginda way and dla roads, so many to mention. Okowa is a big disgrace, a fool and worst thing to ever happen to delta state

many roads have been tarred in Asaba and Asaba is not the only city in the State. I've traveled within the state and I observe lots of roads under construction. That people here are saying Uduaghan did things is strange. Money was flowing during the tenure of Uduaghan but Okowa has constructed more roads within two years than Uduaghan did in 8 years. Uduaghan only built schools that cost average of 10 - 20 millions and that's within the last year of his tenure. Okowa has built such calibers of school as well. I can post list of up to 200 roads constructed by Okowa within the last two years and up to 50 of them are major roads and the rest inner roads. Okpanam road and those other roads you listed are a very big shame but why was the previous government not able to do that road? I think the problem with that road is flooding and erosion and renovating that road is going to be a lot of work because it will require drainage and underground drainage. Poor city planning.

Okowa is trying in terms of roads. I'm in the state now and I'm impressed in what I'm seeing. So many roads are being constructed and rehabilitated and most of these roads have good drainage as well. I observed most of the roads in Asaba don't have drainage and discovered it's from the planning of the city. Same as warri. These cities were not properly planned. And erosion is a big issue in Delta State. There's little money in the state compared to Ibori and Uduaghan tenure. But that's not why he should be owing workers. This is my only problem with Okowa. It's heartless and callous to owe workers no matter the situation. He's just another heartless politician without feelings. Too bad the type of leaders we have in Nigeria. Nb: even Ibori and Uduaghan owed workers despite the huge income flowing into the state during their tenure. Delta was getting highest allocation during their tenure and the Naira had more value as well

The Pope is just a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's more heartless and evil than the Nigerian pastors you guys love to hate. The Vatican was founded in bloodshed, slavery, dirty politics and any evil you can think of