₦airaland Forum

@T9sky: Rofl. I missed that post.

Have you no shame, Calculia? The sin that your group committed in the 50s, you are blaming it on someone else? 

So do you guys really want to know why Southern Cameroons is no more part of Nigeria today?

The British first administered Southern Cameroons as part of the Southern Province of Nigeria, whose headquarters was in Lagos and later; under the Eastern Region of Nigeria, when Nigeria was divided into three regions, namely, Northern, Western and Eastern. Therefore, Southern Cameroons was administered from Enugu, which was the headquarters of the Eastern Region. Under the Eastern Region, she suffered what was known as the Ibo domination. The Ibo established their hegemony over Southern Cameroons and caused them to be further frustrated by foreign domination. [/b]However, it was during this period that the first parliamentary elections were organised in the territory to choose representatives to the Eastern Regional House of Assembly and Federal House in Lagos.

RECENT HISTORY
[b]Following discrimination they faced as a minority group in the assembly, they walked out in protest and declared Benevolent Neutrality in Nigerian politics. This led to the holding of the first Southern Cameroons Conference in Mamfe in 1953. This Conference adopted a petition addressed to the United Kingdom Government that demanded for a separate regional status in conformity with Southern Cameroons’ status as a UN Trust territory. It was from here that Southern Cameroons nationalism began. This political action yielded the desired results.

http://www.unpo.org/members/7915


I can do nothing but shake my head. This is a territory that would be part of Nigeria if ya'll hadn't abused them and caused them to seek independence. And yet somehow you want to blame this on someone else?

Na wa o. Very shameless

@BizBooks:

VB is inherently tied to windows/events/triggers (at least from what I remember from using it in HS.) Python (like C, C++ and almost every other language) is oriented mostly around text-based output.

Of course, most of these languages have some sort of toolkit for writing GUI applications too.

I think it'd have been better if he included a screen shot too:

Fashola Baba

To this day, it angers me that the Western region was partitioned

If the basic principle is liberate minority groups, then why on earth wasn't this done in the Northern and Eastern regions too?

Or were the Edo and Delta people uniquely oppressed in the Western region? 

Awolowo fvcked up, in my opinion

Any time I think about it I want to punch a wall

Is that not hypocrisy and injustice? Bad belle Northern and Eastern region trying to suppress the wealthy, economically buoyant and prosperous Western region?

This is another reason at times I find it hard to accept this game Igbos play of always trying to be the victim. Ya'll conspired to sabotage my region immediately after independence!

Awolowo should have just pushed to secede in 1960 rather than be part of Nigeria imo. There never should have been a Nigeria, it should have been three separate countries from the beginning

manny4life:
There are several issues that are plagued with the power sector and IMO, not even privatization will solve it although it can remove few but not that much. An aggressive reform and overhaul is needed. For instance, giving power to the states to generate their own electricity although the FG system can be tied into state system i.e. if they wish. Privatization would create a unique set of problems and make make electricity charges go further high knowing that Nigerian companies are greedy yet they deliver on half baked products. For instance I pay between $24 (lowest) and $42 (highest ) monthly and it's not subsidized, I strongly doubt if that will be the case if companies are left to charge without restrictions.

Hrm. If they privatized alone, that wouldn't help. Just because right now the business isn't profitable, since there is this FG regulation (called the MYTO) that regulates the price at which electricity can be sold. And currently the price the distribution companies are mandated to charge is even less than the cost of electricity (so a subsidy.) Iirc they are charging something like N6-8 per kWH for something that probably costs N10 to generate.

Privatization is very important, but removing this electricity subsidy by revising MYTO upwards is really the more important thing (at least, imo.) You need to create a profit incentive for people to want to sink money into the power sector.

I think their current plan is to just revise MYTO upwards for now so that the distribution companies can make a profit. Then later on down the line (I guess in 10 years or so), eventually the price of electricity will be completely deregulated, I guess (I don't completely understand how this would work, or works in the western world, btw.)

I guess while MYTO exists, the Nigerian consumer cannot really be gouged too much for electricity. But I'd much rather be gouged by a greedy electricity company than run an expensive generator, personally. What is the worst case for gouging, paying 15 cents per kWh? Or 18? Still beats a gen.


Digression: To be quite honest, if they
(A) removed this subsidy and allows the discos to charge market prices
(B) appointed competent management

then they could really keep PHCN government owned (though I'd prefer state-owned to federal.) Like I said before, I think that the subsidy is the bigger issue rather than public versus private ownership. For example, would anyone be opposed to Lagos State owning the Eko and Ikeja discos that serve Lagos State? No one would care too much if it were owned by Lagos State versus a private company. . . in both cases it'd be well run and electricity would be abundant.

So I take this to mean that you won't back up ANY of the following claims:
1) That for example England would have supported the Confederates because of cotton
2) Nigeria had no real navy other than a few fishing boats at Lagos
3) Nigeria was gifted boats by the US and UK

No evidence whatsoever to support any of these positions?

And if you tell me that the moon is made of cheese and don't offer any evidence, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that too?

Heh.

odumchi:
So John Adams was alive in 1860 after finishing his term in 1805 Abi? The post is referring to 1812 war because the US faces the Issue of non-alignment since it was trading with the British and French who were at war. Both sides were attacking American cargo ships that were headed for their enemy and the US declared war on Britain after several US ships were sunk by the Royal Navy.

But thats not the issue, get back to the main topic and don't get side tracked  

Na wa o

Before I said you should skim or read through the article. It appears I made a mistake by offering you the choice of skimming. Read it thoroughly and carefully! Or you cannot figure out the difference between a man named Adams and his grandson? Lmao

To borrow from Fela, Odumchi don't teach the public nonsense

odumchi:
[b]@ ekt bear
your forst post was referring to the war of 1812 not the US Civil War. John Adams was the 2nd US president (1797-1801, 1801-1805)

Did you even read the article? Which John Adams are you discussing in an article that mentions Charles Francis Adams (incidentally the grandson of John Adams that you mention)?

You see why I'm so hesitant to accept what any of you guys say without some sort of evidence? Before I read more into this Nigerian civil war stuff, I half-believed terrible things about my own people and about the Nigerian side. Then I actually look into it and find out it was propaganda or outright lies

odumchi:
@ EKT bear your posts were referring to the war of 1812 not the USCivil War.

100% wrong, read what is written there.

And Wikipedia is not a good source of info. Anyone can log into it and change information.

1. Right, but at least in theory you can go to whatever source the article references. For example Reference #16 in the article.
2. It is a better source than accepting what you say as fact.

Intact here in America, college professors don't accept Wikepedia as a source for info.

We aren't in college, nor are you or I college profs. We are just discussing on the internet.

In any case, feel free to justify any of the questionable statements you made (regarding the US civil war, and the several questionable ones regarding the Nigerian one.)

But I hope you see that it makes no sense for me (or anyone else) to accept your statements as facts w/o some sort of evidence.

I wish we'd taken over Canada though, British support for the confederates or no

Canada is basically America lite anyways. . . .

odumchi:
@ Ekt bear
It seems you aren't fluent in US history. Britain was dependent on Southern Cotton rather than any Northern products. The North produced nothing that Britain could not produce itself. Britain was more interested in Southern cotton which it used to make textiles via India. So if the North won, slavery would have been banned meaning reduced cotton production which meant reduced cotton exports to Britain. So Britain had everything to gain from the South winning.

Hrm. I've forgotten a lot of what I learned in history class in HS, but that wasn't the impression I had. Looks like this Wikipedia article also disagrees with you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_in_the_American_Civil_War

Worth reading/skimming through. Regarding cotton:

Recognition, as Adams warned, risked all-out war with the United States. War would involve an invasion of Canada, a full scale American attack on British shipping interests worldwide, an end to American grain shipments that were providing a large part of the British food supply, and an end to British sales of machinery and supplies to the U.S.[15]

I'm not sure that the facts support your position at all. . . again, read/skim through the rest of that article.

US and Britain supported Nigeria by donating battleships to Nigeria which were used to Blockade the Bight of Biafra. Before this Nigeria had no navy other than a few fishing boats based in Lagos.

Can you provide any sort of documentation for either of these two statements of yours? This quote seems to suggest that the second statement is false, for example:

Another event which portended the calamities to follow was the amphibious assault on and capture of the Island of Bonny at the mouth of the Port Harcourt Harbor.  This Federal operation was important for two reasons.  First, it demonstrated a boldness, fluidity and imagination seldom seen in Federal operations.  The Bonny assault was not remarkable in its execution; however, the operation was in marked contrast to the "skirmishes, slow, cautious probes, and long distance bombardments of doutful object with doubtful accuracy [and an] incredible amount of aimless and wasteful shooting"  (9) which dominated the northern battlefields. On Bonny a 1000 man invasion force loaded on two ships overwhelmed a company--sized garrison after a limited naval
bombardment.  Destroyed was Biafra's only real naval vessel, a Nigerian patrol boat seized at secession; more important, Port Harcourt, the major port and oil terminal in Biafra, was effectively sealed off.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/SMR.htm

You will have to justify both of these statements of yours if you want them to stand.

^-- Thanks for that post.

To be clear, yeah, I don't really have much hard data. . . a lot of this is guesswork on my part.

Thanks for the additional info.

Personally, I've never understood this "blame Britain, US, Russia" excuse.

You guys made some very big blunders. Losing access to the sea a few months into the war, and not seeing the importance of regaining it (See this analysis, for example: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/SMR.htm).

You have no one to blame for that incompetence but your own leaders. It is what it is.

^-- You are probably correct. Even this 10K MW for Lagos might be too small.

We really have a long way to go in this country. Hopefully GEJ privatizes PHCN asap

Anyone else is free to jump in and respond on odumchi's behalf, BTW. How exactly did the US, UK and co support Nigeria vs. Biafra?

By selling weapons to them? This to you is wrong? It isn't as if the weapons were gifts, right?

odumchi:
@ Bkbabe
Your post makes no sense to me.
International law dictates that no nation shall be involved in another nations civil war.

Is this true? And what does "involved" mean in this case?

In US civil War if Britain had assisted the south there would have been two Americas.

I was under the impression that Britain was too occupied with other stuff to really assist the south. and too dependent on imports from the North.

In Sudanese civil war if Egypt assisted Northern Sidsn the independent State of South Sudan wouldn't have existed today.

Didn't Egypt sell a bunch of weaponry to Sudan? Where did Sudan get its weapons from? It certainly didn't make them itself.

Let me tell you if the US and Britain had not been involved in Biafra,

US and Brits sold weapons to Nigeria, right? This was the main extent of their involvement, correct? I'm pretty sure that you are allowed to sell weapons to sides in a conflict.

Biafra would have lasted much longer and possibly won the conflict.

How? In what way could Biafra have possibly won? You guys lost like 1/3 of your territory within the first few months of fighting. Were immediately cut off from the sea.

All Biafra needed was the sea to import food from friendly countries like Gabon and Equatorial Guinea.

And how would that work if you get cut off from the sea? And this was one of the first events to happen.

Britain helped Nigeria bcus it wanted to maintain ties with it's colony and US helped because it wanted to support it's Ally Britain but I digress. Biafran troops were guerillas and they had homefield advantage. If the food supply hadn't been cut, The Biafran conflict would have been one of insurgency.

See above comments.

If at all anything, Gowonn should be tried for War crimes , violation of international law, and for genocide. The blood of 1 million Igbos rests upon his head.

He didn't commit any war crimes. Nor did he violate international law. Nor genocide. Be more specific. And if you think he did, well the man is still alive. . . you can sue him and Nigeria in some international court of justice.

@omo_to_dun: Thanks. . . I liked programming a lot as a kid, but didn't understand the importance of complexity analysis until much later. This problem that Beaf posted is a pretty good example of why it is important though.

You can imagine a crappy double loop algorithm that'd take the full O(NM) iterations, versus this one that @whoelse posted that is only O(N).

If M is comparable to N, you've gone from quadratic time O(N^2)  to linear time O(N). So if N is like 1 billion or 1 trillion, this really matters a lot.

Anyway, complexity analysis is important  

^-- I suspect that if 20K MW were available today, it still wouldn't be enough. According to some of these articles I've read, Lagos alone can use 10K MW today. Imagine how much more the rest of the country would use if it were available?

This is why the FGs sabotage of Tinubu's efforts were so harmful, imo. It hurt Lagos, but also hurt the rest of Nigeria even more. Self-sufficient Lagos means more electricity available to send to the rest of the country

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=675768.msg8407584#msg8407584 date=1306544574]If you peruse the code carefully, you'll see that the loop does not necessarily run N times, since i is not incremented in every iteration. If the pattern in the array occurs in a wrap around fashion, as in the first array that beaf posted, then the loop will necessarily iterate more than N-times. Matter of fact, time analysis for the loop is O(N + M - 1)) = O(N + M) for the worst case;[/quote]The 2N I stated was just a crude worst case estimate. I guess you are right, O(N+M) is actually a sharper estimate.

Calculia:
To make sense, they must accept that 2 million people died in the Nigerian civil War, tens of thousands were violated, properties destroyed and bank account cancelled with the exception of #20 for all bank account holders.

They must accept that they contributed to the cause of the coup wen they started their tribal politics of carpet cross after Azikiwe won a free and fair election.

Elaborate? Carpet crossing in 1951 -> . . . -> ? -> coup in 1966?

Hrm. In light of these posts. . . Northern leaders truly are shameless, evil, and selfish b@stards.

We'll see an article like this today, then read another one tomorrow about millions of almajiris in Kano, despite its substantial federal allocations

Imagine, living like an oil sheikh while your people suffer.

Sad stuff

Calculia:
Both u clowns should perhaps consider taking up pastoring, just let us not here any funny business with the kids

Hehe Maybe in my old age. . . doesn't really appeal to me right now (or for the foreseeable future)

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=676435.msg8407541#msg8407541 date=1306543565]Oh, trust me I do admire Ojukwu, especially after reading "Emeka" as a child (although, the author---Frederick Forsythe----- was a Biafran sympathizer and as I grew up I realized he might have been a little biased), its just that these illiterate donkey Ibos on NL make it real hard for you to maintain your normally, true and civil self whenever youre on here because of their animalistic behavior.

But, anyways, lets go back to topic. . . . . .[/quote]Ah, my bad. I thought you were being sarcastic.

Ileke-Idi, don't bother imo

Let's not derail the thread. Imo delete the pictures and move on

Create a separate thread if necessary.

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=676435.msg8407511#msg8407511 date=1306542857]While I will never advocate another man's death, especially not one whom I admire and respect like the Ikemba[/quote]Lmao.

Anyway, Nigeria is a country where up is down and down is up. It is what it is. . . stuff doesn't make sense here.

Seems like pretty much everyone is hiring CCECC for their construction projects. These Chinese are damn good, I guess.

lmao @ Kanto's post

Can you imagine a people with one of the highest AIDs rates in Nigeria calling anyone else dirty? Like, seriously?

Anyway, I was thinking of dissecting the rest of his post line by line, but didn't feel it was worth the effort.

Kanto, your true feelings are clear. . . you don't seem to like Yoruba very much. That is fine. Hate only makes us stronger. If you feel so strongly about your beliefs, you should go out on the street, find the first Yoruba person you'll meet and say what you just wrote to them in person.

Heck, depending on where you live, you might even be able to say what you just wrote to me in person. See if I won't shatter your jaw.

nedu666:
Fashola is wasting his time building a power plant using the national grid. when he is through the power generated will be enjoyed by all states. secondly as long as lagos accounts for 55% of phcn revenue, the govt will neva, i repeat neva let me build a private grid. Ask Tinubu why OBJ opposed his IPP.

He isn't using the national (transmission) grid. That is the whole point. He is building a private distribution grid. . . I guess he wants to eventually take the island off the national grid.

Regarding OBJ and Tinubu, hopefully the FG won't sabotage this again. They aren't interfering in the 10MW at least

nakedall:
what about Agege, Iyanopaja and others? or electricity na only for rich people? Fashola use you head now before it's too late.

Why do people post dumb questions like this? Should he start where it is most feasible before trying other places? Seriously, do a bit of thinking before you post. If it is successful on the island and the PHCN privatization flounders, then it can be extended to other places.

I'm kind of annoyed with myself that I didn't think of something like that first. . . . in hindsight it is obvious. N iterations (rather than 2N or NM), short and simple.

I was too focused on just solving the case in the OP w/o making it more general. Bleh. . . I should have been less lazy and more creative

@whoelses: Yeah, I like what you wrote just now the best. Good job.

GEJ for Emperor of Nigeria, imo

Let him rule this country for life

I really wonder how much business occurs in Onitsha a day

I sort of regret that I've never visited the SE before to see what goes on there