European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:01pm On Feb 19, 2017 |
In his final season Di Maria topped Laliga Assists with 17 Assists, 4 goals in 2384 minutes (less than the time Ozil took to reach the figure the previous season). Di Maria was playing mostly from midfield producing some of the greatest counter attacking football has ever seen.
Here I used Opta Assists, which exclude Assists from rebound or deflected pass. All hail Di Maria.
Even when at United, he came second in EPL Assists behind Fabregas despite rarely used by Van Gaal.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:45pm On Feb 19, 2017 |
For those who think Di Maria is a fluke. Despite playing only half of the time (minutes and number of games) of Ozil, due to injuries that season, Di Maria had 15 Assists. Only two short of Ozil who was the number 10. Di Maria scored more goals.
2012/2013 Di Maria 1351 minutes = 5 goals 15 Assists Ozil.... 2591 minutes = 4 goals 17 Assists
Yet Ozil was the number 10
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:17pm On Feb 19, 2017 |
PietroRico: the fact is he was not all that good in his last season, the late season surge that culminated in the motm at the world Cup is what is making everything look good. If Di Maria wasn't that good, he wouldn't have gotten into the team ahead of the rest midfielders and forwards, apart from CR7 and Benzema. I watched Madrid matches from when CR7 joined like it was my team. It's after 2015 I have not followed Madrid much. Di Maria only had a low second season in terms of stats, but he was still very good. But both stats and all round performance went for Di Maria in his first and third season Madrid. PietroRico: There's no new point to make about di Maria that I haven't already made many months ago. You have fun with Mr kagawaw I don’t see any valid point you have made. You keep talking about late season surge. If he was poor, how did he always get into starting line up (90%) in a team where competition for places were high. During that early season, Di Maria kept starting while Bale, Modric, Isco, etc were rotating on the bench. If the Di Maria was poor as you people said, it was he who should have been sold when Bale arrived, not Ozil. But Ozil who was not even a winger was sold on arrival of a winger. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:04pm On Feb 19, 2017 |
Kagawa10: Ozil played as well. Doesn't mean anything.
Ancellotti tried everyone in their position in order to judge them himself. Ozil played as a no 10, Isco on the wing like he did at Malaga, Khedira in midfield etc.
But everyone and his dog already knows Ancelotti preference for a 3-man midfield and it wasn't long when he started to mould Isco into a box-box but when he couldn't, he had to settle on Khedira who's actually a natural in the said role although less technical than Isco..
Anyway, all I'm pointing to you is the fact that Di Maria was awful on the wing and everytime Bale was fit enough, he replaced Di Maria except for when Ronaldo had a suspension or played as a striker which was against Valladoid and Barca respectively. Afterwards, he was lucky to have a permanent space opened up for him in the midfield after Khedira got injured as well as Isco finding it it difficult to stake his claim. In the face of evidence, you refuse to give up. Na wao! Try and review Madrid matches 2013/2014 from August to December, you will see the truth yourself. Apart from the defenders, Ronaldo and Benzema, Di Maria got into that team (starting line up) ahead of everyone else. The only two people who got Madrid going at the time were Ronaldo and Di Maria. Di Maria did not depend on absence of Bale, Khedira, Modric, Isco, etc to get into the starting line up. Modric and Bale finally cemented their place in the starting line up in the second half of the season. When we first had this argument sometime ago, you said Di Maria was benched by Ancelotti in the first half of the season. You even said a similar thing when this argument started, that Alonso - Modric - Khedira were used until Khedira got injured in November ending before Di Maria had his starting place. But I have been able to prove to you that Di Maria got into the starting line up ahead of these guys during that time Khedira was playing (Aug-Nov). You then brought the issue of Bale, but you failed to realize that Bale did not settle until late in the season. People were even saying waste of money. So Di Maria also justifiably ahead of Bale (by merit). Remember Bale came at a record fee to play in the wing. That meant Di Maria would be automaticlaly out and sold, but it was Ozil whose position was not threatened who was sold. That tells you how important Di Maria was. It is high time you admited you were wrong on Di Maria. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:32am On Feb 19, 2017 |
Kagawa10: If you had followed the discussion well, you would notice I already stated Isco was the first option before Khedira in the midfield at the start of the season but he couldn't play the energetic role. However, Ancelotti had no option than to go back to him once again after Khedira got injured.
This was one of my previous post. Isco and Khedira actually started the very first match of the season with Di Maria on the bench. But from second match, Di Maria became the first starter in that midfield. I have checked virtually all the matches from August to December. League and cup matches. I need to go to bed now. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:24am On Feb 19, 2017 |
Against Malaga, Juventus and Barcelona,
Di Maria+ Modric + Kheidera were on the field, except Modric was was dropped against Malaga. But Kagawa10 would make us believe that Di Maria didn’t play when Kheidera was fit.
The truth is Di Maria played 90% plus matches Kheidera was fit. Di Maria getting into the team ahead of Modric, Khedira, Bale and Isco.
During that time, Di Maria was the most important player after Ronaldo. Bale only picked up towards the end of the season, particularly after scoring that solo goal.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:15am On Feb 19, 2017 |
Kagawa10: Alonso had been unfit for weeks prior to the Sevilla match and he didn't even play the Barca match. Modric on the other hand found it difficult to play Alonso role alongside Khedira, hence why Illaramendi had to be chosen over him in the deeplying no 6 role with Khedira as the "energizer".
I hardly take you serious because instead of you to admit you know nothing about a team or admit to never watching them play apart from the CL, you would keep bringing up stupid stat without knowing what happened to the team! I have never taken you serious because you are just a sterotype.
Was it not me who told you Alonso just returned? Modric was also rested along Di Maria. The coach rested his key midfielders.
It was clear that Di Maria was over used in September and October. When there was a full house in November, the coach adopted a rotation system to allow some players to rest. But Di Maria still had much time because of who he was for the team.
For your information, after Kheidera left, Isco was opted into the rotation system. For instance, Isco started against Osasuna on 14th December whike Di Maria started the next match against Valencia away. Di Maria was probably given a rest against Osasuna ahead of Valencia.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:01am On Feb 19, 2017 |
Nov 2 Di Maria was back to the starting line up after one match rest.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:57pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
30th November, Di Maria, Alonso and Modric were all rested against Seville.
But Kagawa thinks Di Maria was dropped.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:54pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:51pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:50pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
19 October Di Maria started against Malaga
23 Oct Di Maria played against Juventus
26 October Di Maria stated against Barcelona
On Oct 30th, Di Maria was rested.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:40pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: Lmao!
That was after Khedira got injured. And you could be right because it was only Di Maria who could display as much energy as the injured Khedira in the midfield for Madrid during the particular time.
But prior to Dec, Di Maria was never in contention! He was omitted for 3 straight matches! I remembered vividly at that particular time because of how awful he was on the wings and a lot of Madrid fans couldn't wait for January to sell off his ass. In fact, the return of Bale put a final nail in the coffin for him and it wasn't a coincidence he was omitted for 3 consecutive straight matches before Khedira's injury paved way for him. I was even praying we wouldn't sign him in January because of how awful he was playing on the wing and we happened to be rumoured among the clubs vying for his signature. You don't make sense. You said Di Maria was playing awfully in November. So why was he not sold in January as you claim? The injury to Kheidera almost considered with the return to the team by Alonso. So find another excuse. If Di Maria was awful as you claim, the coach would have played two man midfield, then play Isco behind Benzema. Hello? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:30pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
The fact remains that Di Maria started over 90% of the matches when Kheidera was fit from August to November ending.
If you say Bale was poor or just arrived, then 'a poor Di Maria' shouldn't get into the starting line up ahead of Modric and Isco. But he did which means he was not poor.
Good night!
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:19pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: We all know Ronaldo plays in every matches in order to increase his goal tally but it doesn't excuse Casiemiro, Ilaramendi, Jesse playing the game as well.
Galatasary were a shite team though. Madrid scored 6 goals against them in their first encounter and could have had more. Not only Ronaldo who played against Copehangen. Bale, Modric, Alonso.
But Ancelotti benched his most important player - Di Maria, because the match was unimportant That's using your logic.
Ayagayagayo hei Ayagayagayo
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:10pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10:
Maybe because Madrid wanted to top their group but still realised Galatasaray were a shite team and believed they could play their fringes team against them without any consequence. Madrid already qualified though before the 2 matches.
Don't get me started on your stupid theory that Madrid played a fringe team against Almeria! Only Illamerendi and Isco were used in the place of Modric who probably wasn't fit to play the match because he wasn't even subbed in during the match while Khedira was already out injured already at the time. Now compare that to the likes of Jesse, Casiemiro etc all starting against Galatasaray!
As for the Sevilla match, I just checked now, it was on the 30th of October.. it was close. The point is the Sevilla, Almeria, Sociedad matches were all consecutive matches except for the Rayo match in between them and the Rayo match happened to be the one Khedira couldn't play due to his suspension.
You mean a player who was omitted for the starting line-ups in consecutive matches until Khedira's injury happened was valued by Madrid? The Galatasaray match qualified Madrid for knockout and got them to the top of their group. They didn’t need the Copehangen match to top the group. So using your logic, those who played against Copehangen were the useless players  You are funny, Di Maria played after Kheidera returned from your supposed suspension |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:05pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10, Ronaldo missed the Galatssaray match due to a thigh injury, not because the match was unimportant.
Meanwhile, Ronaldo returned again in the last UCL group match against Copehangen.
Between the Galatasaray match and Copenhagen match which was more important? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:57pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: I didn't say he was benched at the beginning.
First, I stated he only had 6 months consistent performance for Madrid because prior to that, he was awful on the wing for Madrid and was eventually relegated to the bench everytime Bale became fit to play. At that time, he was rumoured to be leaving in Januray and Madrid fans were wishing him a well on his journey until Khedira's injury happened.
It was Khedira's injury that opened a permanent role for him in the team. Kapish! This is a fat lie. Di Maria was starter ahead of Modric, Kheidera, Isco and Bale in September and November. In November, with a full strength team, there was rotation among Di Maria, Modric, Khedira and Alonso. But Di Maria was more prominent.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:54pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Madrid growing without Ronaldo - Di Maria
The Blancos did not have the Portuguese star available on Wednesday but thrashed Galatasaray 4-1 and the Argentine winger talked up the team's "sacrifice"
Angel Di Maria believes that Real Madrid showed they can grow as a team despite being without Cristiano Ronaldo as they romped to a 4-1 victory over Galatasaray. The Portuguese forward is sidelined for the Blancos, but that did not stop Carlo Ancelotti's men from embarrassing the Turkish side at the Santiago Bernabeu in the penultimate Champions League group stage round of matches. Di Maria, 25, scored the third goal against Roberto Mancini's men and the Argentine thinks it was important to establish their dominance in Group B, with Wedneday's result securing their passage to the last 16. "We must continue to grow as a team," he told reporters. "We have a big lead [in the group] and that is very important for the coach." Madrid played the majority of the encounter with 10 men after defender Sergio Ramos was sent off early on. and Di Maria was proud with how the team reacted to the initial setback. "I'm happy with the win," he added. "The team sacrificed themselves in a way, we got through to the second round, which is what we wanted." Gareth Bale opened the scoring with a fine free kick before Umut Bulut equalised for Galatasaray with half-time lingering, but Alvaro Arbeloa, Di Maria and Isco put Mancini's men to the sword. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:45pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: Lmao! What a coincidence that the said Rayo match had a certain Khedira suspended for the match?
Di maria wasn't in the starting line-ups in the game against Sevilla, Almeria, Sociedad!
Played a Galatasaray match? LOL! You mean a dead rubber match in a group Madrid already qualified to the next round? That even shows the scale Di Maria was put on to be considered for that particular match. Just take a look at payers Di Maria played with. They were (Jesse, Illaramendi, Casiemiro who was eventually loaned out to Porto and Isco who was onthe fringes as well).
You're the one who seems to be lying here but I will take it as just ignorant on your part. Was Sevilla match in November? And who is Almeria? Did you also look at the line up against Almeria. There you will see rotation A small match it was but Di Maria was rested while Ronaldo had to play because he had time off recently. Di Maria was the most used in September and November, hence the need to rest him in some games in November. There was a rotation among Di Maria, Modric, Alonso and Khedira, but Di Maria had most time. Khedira was still fit. If you think the Galatssaray match was not important, why did Ancelotti had to play a full strength team against Copehangen in the last group stage which was less important.
Do you reason at all?
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:18pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: [b] I stated that Di Maria only had 6 months of consistency and that Ancelotti was ready to bin him off until Khedira's injury happened. [/b]Don't tell me you've joined the class of the fools who has stale Eba as brain and can't comprehend simple statement.
And tell me what he was doing on the bench in Nov for 3 matches? And what rotation was happening in Nov, dummy? I don't expect you to comprehend what write because you have a frozen brain that cannot reason. Ancelotti always selected Di Maria first. Even when all midfielders were available, Di Maria had the highest game time. So tell another story. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:13pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: Rotation around Nov when the season was still young and it's not like I included copa dey rey here? You're so dumb I swear!
Di Maria was out of the line-ups for 3 matches in November and could have been out for 4 matches if Khedira wasn't suspended for the Rayo game. In fact, it was for consecutive matches and by the time, everyone already believed Ancelotti has finally settled on his team with the belief that Di Maria would keep rotating with Bale whenever he gets injured! It was Khedira's long injury spells that put an end to everything and Ancellotti had no option than to go back to the drawing board once again.
Stop saying bullshite when you don't know jack! You lie again. Di Maria played against Rayo, rested the next game. Then started the next game, UCL fixture against Galatasaray (Alonso was benched) . Then played the next again against Villadoli. Di Maria played 3/4 in November with everyone available. You no know ball |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:06pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: I stated already that Bale was often unfit when he arrived, it was around feb, he got his acts together. It was even rumoured that he had a spinal cord injury which would eventually end his career and that Spurs were wise enough to milked out huge money from his sale. That's to tell you how often I follow Madrid.
Take for instance, in the match against Valencia, his fitness was in doubt for the match and prior to the said match, it was stated that he was running up to be fit for the encounter but at the end of the day, he was still unfit.
The fact is Di Maria was abysmal while he was playing on the wing and Madrid only took hope in the fact that Bale was coming in to displace him which he did but his fitness issues constantly set him back, even Di Maria was already preparing for his departure in january until Khedira's injury happened and a place opened up for him in the midfield! Di Maria was selected ahead of Modric, Bale, Isco in the time you claim he was abysmal. You know wetin you dey talk? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:04pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
PietroRico: I don first argue this same thing with elampiro Before. This man is too stubborn. So you think Kagawa10 is even making sense? Then you need to check yourself. Kagawa10 said Di Maria was benched at the beginning of the season. When I proved him wrong, he said it was when Kheidera injured that Di Maria was used. Then I showed him Di Maria and Kheidera played together, then he brought the issue of Bale. This was Di Maria who played when Modric was benched. Di Maria was selected in big UCL fixtures in group games and the knockout stages. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:46pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: The funny thing is Di Maria wasn't even considered as first choice in the position. Bale was often used as a SS but when Madrid midfield was becoming more vulnerable and with Bale often coming in and out of the squad due to his fitness, Isco was tried in the role however Isco couldn't muster enough energetic display like Khedira often does. It was after all these, Di Maria given a try in the said role.
The same Di maria whom Madrid considered selling off in January and he already met with PSG until luck smiled on him is what Elampiro wants me to believe he was fantastic throughout that season. Lies. Always give dates so that we will know when you say Di Maria did not play. Di Maria was first choice in September, October. There was some rotation in midfield in November with Di Maria play much time. Di Maria soon returned as number 1 again.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:39pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: On the bench? I said in the line-ups!
You actually expected a player who has been sidelined for some time and was also a new signing to go directly into the line-ups?
What a dumb head!
BTW, I know what all it is about Madrid because I watches them a lot, not a dummy like you who just go to pull up stats whenever he likes even when he doesn't know anything about the team at the time. You are a compound fool. Was Bale also injured when Di Maria benched him the second time after weeks he returned? You no know ball. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:36pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: With Ronaldo in the centre striker role!
These were the matches Di Maria played: www.transfermarkt.com/angel-di-maria/leistungsdaten/spieler/45320/plus/0?saison=2013
After Bale managed to get assimilated into his role, Di maria's playing time were reduced which took effect immediately after the Barca match. He was back into the line-ups with Rayo vallencano because Khedira was on suspension. After khedira's suspension, Di Maria was relegated back to the bench and was even out of the squad in one occasion until Khedria's injury!
Get your stupid stats right, dummy! You don't know what you are saying. I have all Di Maria, Kheidera, matches. 1. Di Maria was never relegated. Di Maria was always a starter, except in a period of one month when the midfield was rotated, and Di Maria still got more playing time than the rest. 2. You lied that Di Maria played after Kheidera was injured. But Di Maria started over 90% of the matches when Kheidera was fit. 3. You said Di Maria shone because of Alonso, but Alonso was not on the field when Di Maria won Man of the match in Champions League final. You be empty head liar. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:47pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: Dummy and your other retarded accomplices, point out Bale in your lineups!
Shebi you sabi pull out stupid stats? Can't you see Bale on the bench? Are you blind? Di Maria was always there while either Bale or Modric got dropped. At one point both Modric and Bale were dropped |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:41pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10: I knew you would bring this up and I was waiting for you and your stats!
Where was Bale at the time then? Injured, Dummy!
He was only being managed at the time but then his performance were awful still. Did Bale not play against Barca? Di Maria was even used ahead of Modric in some games in September? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:30pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
The first eclassico in October. Di Maria was a starter with Kheidera. But to Kagawa10, Di Maria only played when Kheidera was injured. Ukwu!!!
Di Maria appeared to be the first choice in that midfield.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:25pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Kagawa10 is a big liar. Di Maria was a starter early enough in the season
Madrid's first big match in the Champions League that season.
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