dattaswami1: Jesus asked Peter about the opinion of public on Him. Peter told that some are looking Jesus as the Messenger and some are looking Jesus as Son of God. He told that he is looking Jesus as the God Himself. Three views about the human incarnation are always available and these are Dvaita, Vishishtaadvaita and Advaita. According to these three views, Jesus gave the three statements that He is the Messenger, that He is the Son of God and that He is not different from God. This does not mean that He is changing His state from one to the other in these three positions. His three statements about Himself are given to the devotees of corresponding levels of ego and jealousy. As the ego and jealousy decrease, these three states change according to the devotee.
Through out the Gita, Krishna told Arjuna that He is God and remained in the state of Advaita only. The reason for this is that Arjuna was in the lower state of Vishishtaadvaita thinking that Krishna is a partial incarnation of God Narayana. For him, the higher state of Advaita is preached. This does not mean that Krishna is always in the highest state of Advaita and Jesus is changing between these three states. The difference in the statements of Jesus and Krishna is to be understood from the point of the other side. The other side in the case of Jesus is various devotees at different levels in different times. The other side in the case of Krishna is a single devotee, Arjuna, in a particular time only. The Bible is a collection of statements of Jesus given to various devotees in various times. The Gita is a single statement given to a particular devotee only in a particular time or situation only. Therefore, Jesus and Krishna are not different from each other in the state of human incarnation.
Krishna was looked by Gopikas as God and hence, there is no necessity to preach Advaita to Gopikas, who were already in the highest state. Pandavas looked Krishna as incarnation of Narayana or as Son of God, which is lower state than that of Gopikas. Pandavas thought that justice is above the visible Krishna and only the absolute invisible God Narayana is above the justice. Hence, they could not cross the justice for the sake of Krishna. Dharma Raja refused to tell a lie even on the request from Krishna. Arjuna did not leave Gaya in spite of repeated requests from Krishna. Dhrutarashtra looked Krishna as a divine messenger only and did not grant even five villages to Pandavas in spite of repeated requests from Krishna. As the king, he had the power to grant anything. In the Gita, since there is only the reference of Arjuna, all the three views could not be given. Therefore, Hindus should not say that Krishna alone is God always and that Jesus is a changing God.
Apart from these three angles of devotees, there is a fourth angle of ordinary human beings who do not recognize the human incarnation even as a messenger. The priests of the church looked Jesus through this fourth angle in which, they thought that Jesus is a fraud person cheating the public to get fame. Due to this fourth angle, Jesus was crucified. Mohammad, the next Prophet kept Himself always in the position of Messenger only to avoid this fourth angle. But some ignorant human beings fought with Him also in the fourth angle, who did not believe Him even as the Messenger. Yohon claimed Himself as a Prophet only but His head was also cut due to this fourth angle. Buddha, kept silent about the unimaginable absolute God and therefore, there is no point of looking Buddha even as the Messenger of God. He was viewed as a learned human being since Buddhists misunderstood Buddha as an atheist.
Buddha was concentrating on the removal of desire, which is the life of spiritual effort. This does not mean that He denied God. Suppose, you are going to a foreign country and you require the woolen clothes there. Suppose a friend concentrates on the point of purchase of the woolen clothes only. Does it mean that he does not believe in the existence of the foreign country? Kauravas looked Krishna in this fourth angle and tried to tie Krishna with a rope. Their mother, Gandhari also viewed Krishna in the same fourth angle and cursed Krishna with cruel death. Accordingly, Krishna was shot dead and died with profuse bleeding from the foot. There is no difference between Jesus and Krishna even in this cruel death.
MaxInDHouse: I won't teach you since you're not humble. Who are the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
Teach me what? The people whom you are learning from cannot even stand the Spirit of YHVH Almighty in me and you want to teach me? Inu kwa! Maxindhouse, what do you want to teach me? I laugh in Mbaise!
I know you want me to tell you. Ask nicely and may be I will.
MaxInDHouse: Guy nothing made Israelites special than all other nations apart from the promises God made to Abraham {Genesis 12:1-3} so once they have rejected the SEED God promised Abraham which is Christ they lost it all. They're no longer God's inheritance because the whole earth belongs to him and it's only those believing in Christ that are now God's family as for the nation of Israel that rejected Christ that nation is doomed!
Hilarious! I thought you said nothing made them special? Aren't the promises of YHVH Almighty special enough?
Weren't all the 12 disciples of Yahushua the Messiah Israelites? Which people relayed the Messiah's message to us?
Didn't the whole earth belong to him when he called the Israelites his inheritance?
Focus on your own righteous walk, if you are actually on one, and leave that to the Creator. He knows his plan for his inheritance.
Matthew 19:28 Yahushua said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Isaiah 19: 23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. 24 In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing[b] on the earth. 25 YHVH Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”
John 10: 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
The Scriptures will continue to rebuke you, maxindhouse.
MaxInDHouse: Who are the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
I'm not repeating myself over that because i've answered that question in previous posts so it's either you humbly go back and pick the answer or stick to what you think you know!
Your satanic replacement theology has already been declared unscriptural. You can continue ranting.
MaxInDHouse: When you find true Christians trying to TEACH you what our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus commanded us to TEACH you {Matthew 28:20} but proving stubborn how do you expect us to go about it?
So answer that question if truly you grasp what i've been saying at all:
Who are the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
After all Jesus told his disciples not to go out of the boarders of Judah so in what sense are they lost?
Which one be "true Christians"? I didn't know there were false Christians.
Aren't you supposed to tell me who the lost sheep of the house of Israel were? If the Samaritans were actually the lost ten tribes of Israel, why did the Master admonish his disciples not to go to them?
Again, do you mean the same Judah that was occupied by the Romans, Greeks, etc, or another Judah?
MaxInDHouse: When you find true Christians trying to TEACH you what our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus commanded us to TEACH you {Matthew 28:20} but proving stubborn how do you expect us to go about it?
I'm here substantiating using the scriptures to it's full strength and here you are coming to argue as if you understand anything.
So answer that question if truly you grasp what i've been saying at all:
Who are the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
After all Jesus told his disciples not to go out of the boarders of Judah so in what sense are they lost?
What are you substantiating? You are propagating replacement theology.
You mean the same Judah that was occupied by Romans, Greeks, etc?
MaxInDHouse: But since the nation rejected Christ they lost all the privileges to the few Jews who accepted Christ. So God's promises continue only with the Christians not Israel anymore! John 1:11-12
John 1: 9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
A very powerful portion of the Scripture. The very foundation of the saints, servants and messengers of Yahushua the Messiah.
The world rejected him. His own, his own people, the Israelites, neither believed in him nor accepted him. However, all those who believed in and accepted him, irrespective of their race, tribe, nation, color or language, he made them his saints, servants and messengers, children of YHVH Almighty, his Father.
This doesn't negate the fact that YHVH Almighty still considers the "Nation" of Israel as his inheritance, just as we see in Romans and other Scriptures. So, the replacement theology is unscriptural. The Father in heaven will not stop loving his Inheritance.
MaxInDHouse: The nation was chosen as a means through which the Christ will be born that's why Jesus told a Samaritan woman that Salvation is from the Jews {John 4:22} because Christ is to be born among the Jews!
Samaritans are the ten tribes of Israel that broke away after the death of Solomon.
But since the nation rejected Christ they lost all the privileges to the few Jews who accepted Christ. So God's promises continue only with the Christians not Israel anymore! John 1:11-12
If truly the Samaritans were all the Ten Tribes of Israel, why did Yahushua the Messiah admonish his disciples not to go to them even if he had said he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel?
MaxInDHouse: When Jesus said that word he was referring to people who want pure worship to be restored not natural Israelites that's why he told his disciples to go in search of the lost sheep of the house of Israel within territories of Judea {Matthew 10:6} had it been he was referring to people who are lost geographically he wouldn't have told them not to go beyond the boarders of Judah!
Can you see how you are manipulating and misinterpreting the Scriptures?
Consider the Scriptures below:
Matthew 10: 6 These twelve Yahushua sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.
Matthew 15: 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
MaxInDHouse: Paul's statement is easy to grasp, God didn't condemn His people and who are God's people? This are people who have accepted the counsel of Christ that's why Paul could say people who are natural Jews but not Christians are doomed because they're no part of God's promise! Romans 2:25-29
The nation of Israel as a whole rejected Christ so it's only those that accepted him as King to them is given the power to become God's people {John 1:11-12} not natural Jews!
Jeremiah 33: 23 The word of YHVH came to Jeremiah: 24 “Have you not noticed that these people are saying, ‘YHVH has rejected the two kingdoms he chose’? So they despise my people and no longer regard them as a nation. 25 This is what YHVH says: ‘If I have not made my covenant with day and night and established the laws of heaven and earth, 26 then I will reject the descendants of Jacob and David my servant and will not choose one of his sons to rule over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. For I will restore their fortunes[e] and have compassion on them.’”
MaxInDHouse: According to Jesus Christ of Nazareth Israel has been CONDEMNED! Matthew 21:43
What you don't understand is that the name "Israel" is not the real name Isaac gave his son Jacob it's God who gave Jacob that name so it's whoever is willing to do God's will that could be rightly called Israel not just the descendants of Jacob! Matthew 3:7-10
That nation condemned God's only begotten Son of whom it is written:
Whoever exercises faith in him is not to be judged. Whoever does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God! John 3:18
That nation as a whole rejected God's only begotten Son {John 1:11-12} saying:
“Let his blood come upon us and upon our children.” Matthew 27:25
So whenever you read about Israel afterwards know that it's not referring to that nation but the organization of people practicing what Jesus taught {Romans 2:25-29} as for that nation their land has been condemned! Matthew 23:37-38
For your information 99% of that nation today don't believe in Jesus Christ whom Moses told their forefathers that they must listen to what he's coming to teach them! Deuteronomy 18:18-19
Thanks!
You need to simmer down a little, maxindhouse. Your replacement theology is not Scriptural.
Where are the "Lost Tribes of Israel"? Do you know who they are and where they are?
MaxInDHouse: I've been noticing you for some time now and it seems you believe God still has something to do with the natural Jews. Well if that's what you're expecting then let me tell you today that the nation of Israel has been "CONDEMNED" {Matthew 21:43} it's been replaced by another nation producing the fruitage of FAITH.
Why is this necessary?
God is not requesting perfection from imperfect humans making up that nation but for them to work together with the Christ when he comes {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} that is what Jesus told the man who has kept all the laws from his youth {Luke 18:18-23} so for the nation of Israel to slaughter the Messiah and say:
“Let his blood come upon us and upon our children.” Matthew 27:25
Jesus told them to cry for their children because the nation has lost the favour they're getting from God and the blessings God promised Abraham has been given to the few Jews who became the first century Christian congregation. That's why all the promises God made with that nation began fulfilling among the Christians (only) Act 2:39
So that nation has absolutely nothing to do with the promises of God today they've lost it all the day God's only begotten Son was killed in Jerusalem!
As for River Tigris it has a symbolic meaning in it's drying up. In ancient Babylon (the center of pagan worship set up against pure worship) the waters was like a protection behind the walls of Babylon shielding the city from being attacked by enemy nations. Cyrus the Persian diverted the river and his army walked into Babylon on foot to capture the city.
What this mean in our day!
Babylon the Great {Revelations 17:5} means the world empire of false religions, the waters upon which she's seated mean people from all nations {Revelations 17:15} so just as Cyrus diverted all the waters of Tigris so that Babylon became vulnerable to attack Jesus the modern day Cyrus will divert all the people supporting that empire of false religions away from supporting it and then the world government (wild beast) will attack false religions and declare all religions banned! Revelations 17:16
Have you noticed how many people are turning against their religious organizations today? Most people are becoming atheists, some agnostics and still many freethinkers even the few remaining in the churches are doubting if there's anything worthwhile they're doing there.
chieveboy: In the order of command, YHVH is placed along the line. He has lesser deities responsible to him. People have met these lesser one and will kill you if you told them there is a superior deity to that. They do not know any better of course and you can't blame them in a sense...
You are set in your way.
I wonder why you avoided questions.
YHVH Almighty is the one and only true God, the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them. There is no other.
2 Chronicles 15: 3 For a long time Israel was without the true God, without a priest to teach and without the law.
Jeremiah 16: 19 YHVH, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in time of distress, to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, “Our ancestors possessed nothing but false gods, worthless idols that did them no good.
Do people make their own gods? Yes, but they are not gods!”
MaxInDHouse: Continue looking for the PRACTICAL BENEFITS of what God's Holy Spirit didn't reveal to you! 2Corinthians 3:6
Can you explain the portion of the Scripture that you mentioned?
MaxInDHouse: You will only read verses upon verses but you can never find where what you're thinking is working because that's not the meaning of what you're reading! Act 8:31
Hilarious! He even mentioned Acts 8:31. Between the two of us, who should be referring the other to Acts 8:31?
You don't know what you are saying. Mention where what you said about the New Heaven and the New Earth can found in the Scriptures. That is all.
chieveboy: I know the being referred to as "YHVH" too well. One of the training in the ECK study is to meet this being who is the channel for the creation of the worlds of creation, and by this extension CAN be said to be the creator...
Hilarious! Whatever or whoever it was you met was an impostor, a demon, and not YHVH Almighty.
chieveboy: It's why we can place him where he belongs in his God-assigned place with regards and regardless to and of his accruing power, majesty and all that.
Ludicrous! There is no deity higher or greater than YHVH Almighty. You place your idols where they belong.
Why didn't you answer the questions which I asked above?
chieveboy: Some people fall for that splendor but we move on beyond his realm with the help of the Supreme Deity which functions as the 'Mahanta the Living ECK Master'. I am sure this may sound like tales by moon light to you, but the things of the Holy Spirit goes without an external approvals and beliefs...
YHVH Almighty, God Almighty, is the Supreme Deity. There is no other. You do realize that the Set-apart (Holy) Spirit is the Spirit of YHVH Almighty, right?
Who are the "we"?
There is no realm higher than the realm of Righteousness of YHVH Almighty. Whoever or whatever that tells you otherwise is a liar.
chieveboy: Please disregard whatever I have said here that you think is bullocks and move on with your current path giving it your all. Like I said earlier, that's all that matters (for now).
Answer the questions that I asked on the previous post.
chieveboy: In lay man terms, knowing which God is the creator does not cook beans. In other words, above knowing which God is the creator is knowing yourself as Soul. This is called 'Self Realization'. It means to see yourself in you true image beyond your lower bodies (physical, astral, causal, mental and etheric).
Are you not putting the cart before the horse? Knowing which God is the Creator is not for "cooking beans". There are sources of energy for accomplishing such trivial task. Depending on your belief, bordering on afterlife, it is very important to know the God one is worshipping.
If you place ascertaining the God you worship below "soul/self realization", haven't you placed your god below you? As in, if you see soul/self-realization as more important than knowledge of your Maker, haven't you succeeded in putting the cart before the horse? Is it not the knowledge of one's Maker that opens one's eyes to true "self-realization"? Failure to do this could expose one to demonic influence, which may lead to bogus self-realization. Can one achieve "self/soul-realization" on one's own without the help of the supernatural?
IT IS NOT THE ROLE OF THE CREATED TO GIVE A PLACE TO HIS OR HER CREATOR. THAT IS WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR IDOLS.
chieveboy: When you have this experience, you will be in a better position to place YHVA et al in their rightful places.
Do you know about YHVH Almighty?
When you experience the greatness, awesomeness, gloriousness and magnificence of YHVH Almighty, the Creator of the ends of the earth, you will realize who and what you truly are. It is only then that you will be able to place yourself properly.
chieveboy: The point I am driving is: if a path is okay for you, that's all that matters. Learn all you can as you give it your your best in the YHVH path
I have always been, and will always be, of the opinion that people are free to worship whoever or whatever they like, so long as it doesn't involve spilling human blood. Your soul, your life.
However, this is about knowing which God is the Creator.
tctrills: Basically, most God's are not worshipped as the creator. Ogun worshippers or Amadioha worshippers do not necessarily consider them as their creator. Must religious people believe in a creator but we understand him differently. And we call him by different names.
I am interested in establishing something from your assertion. What do you know about the worship of those gods that you mentioned? Can you do a little explanation?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Fourth Commandment: The Sabbath. by elated177(op): 2:19pm On Sep 24, 2022
