Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by elated177(op): 12:44pm On Oct 08, 2022*. Modified: 1:10pm On Oct 08, 2022 |
budaatum: Why choose to be descended from Adam who was created from mud to ignorantly work naked in a tiny garden if you could choose to be created in the Image of God to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth"? Who told "you" that "you" were naked? Was Adam not ruling over all those things in his naked state? Did the authority he weilded come from his unclothedness or lack of it? Ok! After realizing his unclothedness, did he later exercise authority over all those things? You see, Adam lost more than, by far more than, he gained from eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Mark 8: What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?budaatum: God after all was not created from mud, or was He? So why would you choose to believe you are created from mud to be a slave instead of being created in God's Image to be fruitful and multiply and replenish and subdue and have dominion? Hilarious! If you do not believe you were made from the mud, cut off any part of your body and bury it in the ground. After sometime, return and check it. May be it will turn to plastic. Who knows! Hilarious. budaatum: Can those who do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil be fruitful and multiply and replenish and subdue and have dominion? Was Adam's ability to be fruitful, multiply and subdue and dominate the earth dependent upon what he was wearing or what he wasn't wearing? After eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, to what extent did he subdue and dominate the earth? budaatum: Can the ignorant say, "Let there be light" and make the darkness disappear?
If so, how, and what with? It depends on what you call light, budaatum. It is highly likely, going by your antecedents, that your idea of "light" may be completely different from what light really is. Also, if the Owner of the Light has said that what he has given to his creature is enough for such creature to say "let there be light", such creature is not ignorant. But: Ecclesiastes 7: 29 This only have I found: God created mankind upright, but they have gone in search of many schemes.” |
Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by elated177(op): 12:41pm On Oct 08, 2022 |
budaatum: The only reason to sell this nonsense, that one shall surely die if one eats the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, is to scare you from eating the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so your eyes do not open, so you would lack knowledge and never acquire wisdom and remain enslaved to those who enslave you.
And to such people, Christ would likely say, "Woe!" Budaatum, do you believe what transpired in the Garden of Eden? Do you believe it was the same God who created Adam and made a companion for him that also made the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Do you, budaatum, believe that it was Adam's Creator who instructed him not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by elated177(op): 12:36pm On Oct 08, 2022 |
budaatum: This is like claiming if I only live up to 3 score and ten years, I died when I was a score. Isaiah 55: 8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares YHVH. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Are The Sons Of God In Genesis Chapter 6? by elated177: 12:28pm On Oct 08, 2022 |
tctrills: I believe in the bible, not in your words. Just because you say they are the same does not make it so. I, Elated177, as a non-christian, believe in the Scriptures of YAHVEH Almighty, my Father in heaven, my Daddy in the Sky. Far be it from me to advise anyone to believe my own words instead of the Word of YHVH Almighty. As his saint, servant, follower and messenger, I can only teach what his Spirit instructs me, as expressly written in his Scriptures. What about you, tctrills, should I accept that they are not the same simply because you said so, even when the Scripture doesn't say so? Let me ask you, tctrills, is it possible for me, elated177, to be a saint, a servant, a follower and a messenger of Yahushua the Messiah? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Are The Sons Of God In Genesis Chapter 6? by elated177: 12:16pm On Oct 08, 2022 |
tctrills: Now you seem confused. In which verse do Bene ha Elohim and Malak reference the same creature? Bene ha Elohim refers to son of God in Genesis 6:2,4 Malak means messenger of God. Very different. My brother, just try and be reading your bible. This Hebrew thing is not working for you. They are the same. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Are The Sons Of God In Genesis Chapter 6? by elated177: 12:15pm On Oct 08, 2022 |
tctrills: I am sure you are not quoting the bible. here is what the bible says Job2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
job1:6 Thus did Job continually. [6] Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. [7] And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. The "sons of God", as used above, meant messengers (angels). It will be completely absurd for anyone to think otherwise. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Are The Sons Of God In Genesis Chapter 6? by elated177: 12:09pm On Oct 08, 2022 |
Steep: Having done som research in the bible I don't think the Sons of God are actually angels.
I will create a new post for it. Genesis 6: 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.If the "sons of God" here meant human males, why was it specifically stated that they saw the "daughters of human"? Weren't human males observing the beauty of the daughters of other humans from the beginning? Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.From the Scripture, it could be clearly seen that the "sons of God" were angels (messengers) and not human males. Seth, Enosh, Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, etc, were all humans and they all married their fellow human beings. It was nothing strange. So, the sons of God mentioned in the Scriptures above were messengers (angels). |
Christianity Etc › Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by elated177(op): 11:43am On Oct 08, 2022*. Modified: 6:33am On Oct 09, 2022 |
El Elohe Yahshrael!
Genesis 2: 15 YHVH God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the YHVH God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Adam actually died the day he disobeyed YHVH's instruction by eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Neither Adam nor those that came after him, his descendants, lived up to or beyond 1000 years. No human being has ever lived up to 1000 years.
Genesis 5: 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died. 8 Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died. 9 Altogether, Enosh lived a total of 905 years, and then he died. 14 Altogether, Kebab lived a total of 910 years, and then he died. 27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.
Methuselah lived the longest in human history and still didn't live up to 1000 years.
El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH! |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Fourth Commandment: The Sabbath. by elated177(op): 6:42pm On Oct 07, 2022 |
A glorious Sabbath. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Moral Compass Of The Saints Of Yahushua The Messiah. by elated177(op): 6:42pm On Oct 07, 2022 |
sonmvayina: What about God the father?
When did he ever asked us to obey somebody else other than him? The creator himself.
There is no where in the old testament where he would hand any authority to a demi god You are confused. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Fourth Commandment: The Sabbath. by elated177(op): 5:33pm On Oct 07, 2022 |
Preparing to observe the Sabbath. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Sets Us Apart? by elated177(op): 5:31pm On Oct 07, 2022 |
Apt. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Find Out For Yourselves. by elated177(op): 5:31pm On Oct 07, 2022 |
Just shine. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Moral Compass Of The Saints Of Yahushua The Messiah. by elated177(op): 5:31pm On Oct 07, 2022 |
Just shine. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Are The Sons Of God In Genesis Chapter 6? by elated177: 10:05am On Oct 07, 2022 |
Janosky: Greek John 10:33 = John 1:1, the word was a god, godlike/divine. The other position is polytheism by putting 2 distinct God in John1:1. .  What do you think you did here? Janosky: The God Yahweh is superior to his son, Jesus Christ,a god. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Are The Sons Of God In Genesis Chapter 6? by elated177: 10:02am On Oct 07, 2022 |
Janosky: The God Yahweh is superior to his son, Jesus Christ,a god. What! You just mentioned two gods; one big and the other small. Chai! The Scriptures of YAHVEH Almighty didn't teach such, not even latently. It is obvious why Satan would want to propagate such message. Yahushua the Messiah, the Word of his Father, YAHVEH Almighty, is God. It is impossible for the Word of YHVH Almighty not to be God. The Word of YHVH Almighty is YHVH Almighty and YHVH Almighty is his Word. YHVH Almighty is greater than his Word. Not everyone can accept this, except by the Spirit. El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Demons That Are Powerful Than Some Angels? by elated177: 11:28am On Oct 04, 2022 |
TenQ: Demons are NOT afraid of mere human beings. Very true. TenQ: However, when you carry the Light of Christ, they are terrified of being exposed and being cast out Spot on. TenQ: especially when they KNOW your Rank/Capability. They seem to know how effective you are doing in Christ! They will do everything to hide themselves from exposure. TenQ: Demons are also in Ranks and Power and they are seldom alone in their host. They are like cults of area-boys in a territory!
Even as children of God, demons feel comfortable when they know that you wouldn't do anything about them even if they are exposed. TenQ: Movies of demons are complete fabrications. They don't move furnitures and things about the room. There must be a contact force or non-contact force (force field) exerted on an object before it can move. TenQ: Demons may afflict their host in four Hierarchical levels 1. A person's Environment and things 2. Their body 3. The soul 4. Their spirit. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Demons That Are Powerful Than Some Angels? by elated177: 11:15am On Oct 04, 2022 |
Steep: Yes you are wrong. The prince of Persia is not human but a demonic principality.
Ephesians 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Note that there are principalities in the heavenlies. The prince of Persia is a principality hence called a prince, Michael is also a principality hence also called a prince but he is of God.
Demons are fallen angels but have different ranks and functions, even lucfer is a demon and a principality hence he is called the prince of this world.
John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. Neither demonology nor angelology is my thing. I stick with what has been expressly revealed in the Scriptures, both the ones they call the canonized and the non-canonized. It means, therefore, that the ranks of demons are of no importance where the Spirit of YHVH Almighty, of Yahushua the Messiah, is. They all bow down and submit to the authority of YHVH Almighty, of Yahushua the Messiah, when exercised by the saints, servants, followers and messengers of Yahushua the Messiah, regardless of their ranks or titles. . I never said that the prince of Persia, as referred to in the portion of the Scripture under review, was a human being. Nope! Where in the Scriptures is it written that demons are fallen messengers? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Demons That Are Powerful Than Some Angels? by elated177: 12:14am On Oct 04, 2022 |
There are supernatural powers/forces ruling over and in charge of families, communities, states and countries. Even continents are not left out. These forces/powers could be good or evil, of the light or of the darkness. These forces/powers influence both leaders and followers. These powers/forces are the real rulers and leaders and who are really in charge of the affairs of many families, communities, states, countries, continents, etc.
Human leaders and rulers are usually under their influence, knowingly or unknowingly. These are purely spiritual matters.
The evil, wicked powers/forces that rule over or are in charge of families, communities, states, countries and continents are the ones that engage the righteous ones in spiritual warfares and battles and they are the ones that the righteous ones fight against, whether at family level, community level, state level or national level. Liken it to what transpired in the portion quoted from the book of Daniel. It was a fallen angel(messenger) that engaged that messenger. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Demons That Are Powerful Than Some Angels? by elated177: 11:50pm On Oct 03, 2022 |
TenQ: If you've ever been previledged to cast out demons , the bolded will make sense to you.
They can be very stupid at times. The lie effortlessly. They are arrogant and possessive. They can also be very stubborn! They latch on their host through the instructor a legal ground. They operate mostly covertly! In fact, once they are exposed, it is not too difficult to drive them out in JESUS name. Well, you tried throwing more light, but I needed you to clarify that the fear and others are not for mere human beings. Are demons afraid of mere human beings? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Demons That Are Powerful Than Some Angels? by elated177: 11:47pm On Oct 03, 2022 |
Demons are not angels(messengers). |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Demons That Are Powerful Than Some Angels? by elated177: 11:39pm On Oct 03, 2022 |
TenQ: The Prince of Persia was NOT a demon but a principality (a fallen angel in charge of regions, nations ) on the earth. They usually control governments and systems/character of nations.
Fallen Angels are different from demons (aka unclean spirits).
Fallen Angels are the angels that fell with satan. Demons are spirits of human/falleñ angel hybrids (at the time of Noah)
Fallen angels do NOT crave to inhabit a physical body but demons find their expression only by inhabiting living things.
Demons exhibit every weakness in humans. Many are fearful, most are boastful and stubborn. Knowledge wise, demons are EXTREMELY limited (unlike angels). Fallen angels may control hordes of demons but they rarely interact directly with humans.
Demons aka Unclean spirits are vastly inferior to the least of the fallen angels Makes a lot of sense, apart from the bolded, though. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Demons That Are Powerful Than Some Angels? by elated177: 10:02pm On Oct 03, 2022 |
The amazing thing is that people do not even know what war/battle between two supernatural powers or forces looks like.
What transpired between the Messiah and Satan on the mountain was a battle. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Demons That Are Powerful Than Some Angels? by elated177: 9:57pm On Oct 03, 2022 |
Steep: Yes there are higher level demons that are possible stronger than certain level of angels. Stick to what the Scriptures say, please. No where in the Scriptures was such even implied. If I am wrong, correct me. |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Demons That Are Powerful Than Some Angels? by elated177: 9:29pm On Oct 03, 2022 |
Did the portion of the Scripture that you quoted imply so? |
Christianity Etc › Re: If you are interested, you can pray Along This Line. by elated177(op): 3:40pm On Oct 03, 2022*. Modified: 9:52pm On Oct 03, 2022 |
El Elohe Yahshrael!
Jeremiah 5: 26 “Among my people are the wicked who lie in wait like men who snare birds and like those who set traps to catch people.
In the name of Yahushua the Messiah, the Word and begotten Son of YHVH Almighty, let every trap set for my soul catch its owner and let the snares of the fowlers, which the prepared for my soul, ensnare their own souls.
El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH! |
Christianity Etc › Re: If you are interested, you can pray Along This Line. by elated177(op): 3:28pm On Oct 03, 2022*. Modified: 3:45pm On Oct 03, 2022 |
El Elohe Yahshrael!
1 Corinthians 2: 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of YHVH except the Spirit of YHVH.
In the name of Yahushua the Messiah, the Salvation of the Mighty One of Jacob, let every channel or link established between my soul and the soul of any "spiritual" father or mother, through which wishes, thoughts and desires of the Satan and demons may be projected to me, be broken.
El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH! |
Christianity Etc › Re: If you are interested, you can pray Along This Line. by elated177(op): 9:34pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
More prayer points coming up.
To YHVH ALMIGHTY be the glory.
El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH! |
Christianity Etc › Re: If you are interested, you can pray Along This Line. by elated177(op): 9:32pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
Things are being stirred up and they are rattled. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Don't Just Assume; Look At Their Deeds. By Their Fruit You Will Recognize Them. by elated177(op): 9:31pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
Apt! |
Christianity Etc › Re: They Hate Us And We Love It That Way. by elated177(op): 9:30pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
Apt! |