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hort07:
I would love to advocate that the church do more on the salvation of soul for Christ....
Luke 14:23: Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and make them come in, so that my house will be full......
Bring them to the church and let them experience God and Accept Jesus, that the house which He (Jesus) has prepared might be occupy by the saved...

What is "church"? What does church mean?

budaatum:
I'm glad it seems so to you. It would be rather stupid of me to be like a puppet on a string not and taking responsibility for my actions.

I might do good and you might think some god pulled the strings and did the good I did, but when I do evil you'd blame satan instead of me who did the evil.

That would be far too irresponsible for buda!

Budaatum, no need to discuss with you any further on this matter. Your intentions have been made known.

sonmvayina:
From my ancestors....just re echoing what they thought..

Is your jesus not a demi god?..my point is that it did not originate from the old testament.

So, you came from the water?

Apt.

budaatum:
I rule my entire being.

If I can not rule my entire being at the very least, there's absolutely no way I could possibly grow to the point of "be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth".

That's why the fruits of trees of knowledge are my preferred food, for that's what teaches me to rule my being and some.

So it would seem, budaatum.

2 Peter 3: 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With YHVH a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

So, yes, Adam indeed died the day he disobeyed his Maker and ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

budaatum:
I know what it means to me, e. Simply 'what your sort preach to other believers', would do.

Nah! I don't think you do, budaatum.

Steep:
what lead to their being driven out of heaven? Sin right, what is the wages of sin? How did sin affect the fallen angels?

good you agreed it is not in the bible.



Where in the scripture is demons separated from fallen angels?




So you agree that lucifer a fallen angel is a devil?
@ bolded, End of discussion.
Fallen angels are devils. One question for you
What is the word for devil in both the old testament and new that is in Hebrew and in Greek?
Demons are evil spirit, so apart from evil spirit who else is the power of darkness, good spirit?



can you illustrate from the bible how you arrive at, " fallen angels are not demons"? you seem to contradict yourself.



you are making a claim that is your own belief unfounded by Scripture.
Make yourself clear what do you mean by darkness?



So if all demons are called Satan does that not teach you they are one?

I don't think there is any need for further discussion on this issue. We are never going to agree. Let each one hold on to his own views. This has no bearing on my righteous walk.

Steep:
The word fallen angel is not in the bible it is a theology concept and No they are not called "fallen because they were kicked out of heaven rather they are fallen because they rebelled against God and as a result they became corrupted.

You are holding tenaciously to your own views and you feel you can compel another person to abandon his own and subscribe to yours. Clap for yourself.

The word "fallen" is not used in the Scriptures to describe the group of messengers who were cast down from heaven. However, it is used to differentiate them from the messengers of YHVH Almighty. They are fallen because they were thrown down from heaven.

Steep:
fallen angels are demons, for example lucifer is called a devil which means he is a demon. Go and check the meaning of demon

Fallen messengers are not demons. We are never going to agree with each other on this issue. The Scripture would have been the deciding factor, but no where is it expressly stated so.

Steep:
The power of darkness are demons, since the devil is the a demon.

Demons are part of the powers of darkness. There are many devils. A devil can also be a demon and a demon is also a devil. Satan is "the devil", the chief of devils. The fallen messengers are also devils but Satan is their chief.

Steep:
It does not matter what you think but what the bible teaches.

I think along what my Scriptures expressly teach. Also, I have the Set-apart Spirit of YHVH Almighty, my Father in heaven, to help me think correctly and in line with what the Scriptures teach. So, steep, what I think matters.

Steep:
The verse did not say darkness entered judas, are you going to re write the bible because it does not suit your sentiment?

What does Satan, the devil, represent? Do try to emotionally blackmail me. It won't work. What sentiment are you on about? If Satan is the chief among the rulers of darkness of this world, is wrong to say that satan is darkness?

Steep:
In the bible darkness means sin.

Who is the master of sin?

Steep:
The bible said Satan entered Judas.

Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

What does Satan represent?

I know what the Scripture says. It says Satan entered into Judas. I am telling you that Satan represents evil.

budaatum:
As in, would I abandon the use of my own senses and choose instead to believe you because you consider yourself the priesthood of all believers?


Note to buda

Please take your buda head to the bottom of a river and bash it against a rock for not using the brain in your own buda head and your own buda heart and buda soul and buda mind and buda being to ask and knock and seek for yourself, because no where does it say that if you lack knowledge ask elated!

You are confused. Do you know what "priesthood of all believers" means?

sonmvayina:
Where did the authors of the gospel get the idea of a demigod giving his life for the sins of all?

What demigod? Where did you get the idea that some humans are from the water, some from the air, some from earth, some from fire, etc?

tctrills:
Please read

You need to go through the thread and confirm what you have been on about here.

Steep:
I have already dealt with the issue of fallen angels-demons.
What make fallen angels fallen is that their angelic nature has being corrupted and they are now demons.
Even lucifer need to posses Judas in other to directly make use of him.
Read carefully Genesis 6 vv4, I used to think the Nephillims were children of angels until I read it properly.
It says the Nephillims were present in those days meaning when the sons of God married the daughters of men, the Nephillims were already present so how are they now the children of the sons of God?

Aren't they called "fallen" because they were thrown down from heaven.

Fallen angels are not demons and demons are not fallen angels. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men.

Do you know that Satan represents the powers of darkness? The verse may as well be saying that darkness entered Judas. I don't think fallen angels possess humans. Influence? Yes!

tctrills:
Oga do you even understand what we are talking about? I agree, angels are messengers.

tctrills:
The bible made it clear. It only referred to men and to Jesus Christ as sons of God. If you are asking if God had followers before the children of Isreal, he surely did.
But let's assume he did not, It still does not make angels sons of God. Even today, God does not have any particular race as his sons. Even you can be a son of God even though you are not a Jew.

What has your position on this thread been?

tctrills:
You are confused. Don't you understand how this works? I did not even say that the Sons of God weren't messengers of God. All I said was simple. the Bible never called angels sons of God.

Don't you realize that you are the one who is confused? Do you not know that messengers = angels?

Steep:
Genesis 6 vv 4 said the nephilims were already on earth when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men meaning the nephilims were not the product of of the marriage between the sons of God and daughters of men because they were present when he marriage takes place.
As for the identity of the Sons of God, there is also evidence that they might be humans but however if they are fallen angels then they could have possessed human body in any case the children would still be humans.

Whose bodies did these angels possess here?

Genesis 18: 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

Or here?

Genesis 19: The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground.

I don't think messengers (angels), whether fallen or otherwise, need to possess anybody. However, I will change my view if I get any scriptural proof.

Why do you think the Messiah, as a heavenly being - God in this case, was able to appear to his disciples and disappear and then ascend to heaven in their presence?


About the nephilim, I am still considering that portion. I thought they were the offspring of the fallen messengers and the daughters of men.

budaatum:
To debunk your miseducation.

Where is the miseducation?

budaatum:
He had children. His children had children. And this continued up till today where human descendants of the so called

Just as his Creator ordained it from the beginning.

budaatum:
Adam are dominating earth and are on the way to dominate the Moon and Jupiter and Mars.

This is utterly hilarious! Who told you are dominating the earth? Hilarious!

budaatum:
This thread has no message for me to get. Only those willing to be enslaved would accept the rubbish therein.

Why did you bother coming on it?

You can also go through these links in order to grasp why this thread was created and the importance of praying along this line.


https://www.nairaland.com/4909625/what-rules-soul#73931985


https://www.nairaland.com/7072249/issue-soul-tie#112449313

True.

Sublime.

Apt.

Apt.

Where will they get the power for prolonged spiritual warfare?

budaatum:
Adam did obviously not die, e. Dead people do not have children!

Did you get the message of this thread?

budaatum:
You can very well read it yourself, e.

Just answer the question, budaatum.

budaatum:
They ate the fruit and their eyes opened and they saw for themselves that they were naked.


No, Adam was not ruling over anything in any state. He was placed in the tiny Garden of Eden to tend it.


Adam wielded no authority whatsoever.


All Adam had was free food and board, the wage of a slave. What he gained from eating the fruit was open eyes and wisdom and freedom from slavery and self employment.


Don't you think it would be much better for one to believe they were made in the Image of a God who was obviously not made from mud, if one wanted to believe anything at all?


Adam was not created with the ability to be fruitful, multiply and subdue and dominate the earth. Adam was created and placed in the tiny Garden of Eden to tend, or rather, slave in it.


He had children. His children had children. And this continued up till today where human descendants of the so called Adam are dominating earth and are on the way to dominate the Moon and Jupiter and Mars.


There is only one Light. And ignorance is not it.


For some odd reason, you believe the creature God created in God's own image, is the same creature created from mud and called Adam.

This is perhaps where you should start, instead of confusing yourself.

You have nothing tangible to offer, budaatum, on this thread.

Adam died exactly the day he disobeyed YHVH's instruction and ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Let your argument be on this basis. Did he or did he not die the day he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

tctrills:
What did I say? I have said many things, which do you mean?

That sons of God weren't messengers of God. Provide scriptural proof.

tctrills:
Then quote the word of God and don't be telling me what you think or feel.

Where can one find what you said in the Scriptures?


You didn't answer my question. Can I, elated177, be a saint, a servant, a follower and a messenger of Yahushua the Messiah?

budaatum:
Elated. buda does not believe anything, period, especially not books written by my fellow human beings. I read them for understanding instead.

It is Satan himself that is speaking through you, budaatum. This I have always known.

Was Adam not subduing and dominating the earth, even while in his unclothedness, prior to his munching the fordidden fruit?

budaatum:
It is very possible for you to analyse what I wrote without me editing it and reposting it, especially since I have created very many threads and posted many posts on the same topic.

All you need do is do as Christ said, become as a child and abandon all the rubbish you've been told to believe and use your own heart and soul and mind to ask and knock and seek for understanding. When you stop thinking as a child and reasoning as a child and stop seeing only a reflection as in a mirror and become a full grown eye opened reasoning adult who has put away childish ways, you will see clearly and fully know.

It is not easy, mind, and is in fact almost impossible as threading a camel through a needle's eye, but it can be done by those who really try.

It is however not possible for those who refuse to eat the fruits of trees of knowledge, because they are obviously lacking in the nutrition that eating fruits of knowledge gives one.

Lee onu ya! Onu ugba! I wanted to tell you not to bother editing it. Go and see my responses. Onu ugba!