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CityNG:
1) TMI.

2) Did you sell him snake oil?

Are you going to post independent results of your laboratory tests for your snake oil or you're just going to try to deflect this thread?

It won't work as I am single focused on this sham that you guys are running on unsuspecting motorists by selling them this snake oil.

I'm yet to see yours on this thread.

Yellow man

CityNG:
You were probably too enraged to see straight. I understand maybe when you are a little bit more calmer you can give it another shot

So can you not have another gainful employment instead of screwing your fellow countrymen out of their engines?

I mean the poor saps are practically paying you to wreck their engines. Well, if anything you say can be trusted that you've made any sales

Dude, I don't screw them out ta their engines, I screw them out ta their mind.

Market is good. Alhaji is on his way.

CityNG:
Woman, for the love of God, it's snake oil, snake oil, damnit.

You are either blind or you are too infuriated to read where it was mentioned specifically as a fraudulent product and basically an MLM scheme.

No I didn't read anything like that.

CityNG:
1) Yes Allen.

2) Sorry my Bull Mastiff is allergic to Abuja

3) Have you sold him your snake oil?

4) Excellent, so we'll keep company

Was that you? Didn't know ur bull liked snakes.

I'll get it oiled for it. That's if you know which IT is which.

Still on still. You ain't nothing but a rabid character who attacks all in ITS sight

CityNG:
I have posted pages and pages on which people that have used these snake oils said they don't work. I have posted data from automobile magazine that says these products does not work. I have posted data from auto manufacturers which says it will violate the owners warranty if you use these types of products.

Were is your independent proof that this false gimmicky product works? The onus is on you to submit that proof.

You are just an ordinary cunning scammer and MLM charlatan.

No laboratory in your links/posts have mentioned XFT. This thread is about XFT and not lizard oil

CityNG:
Hey lot lizard, go to your corner on Allen Avenue already

Allen ke?

Come Wuse Zone 4. Opposite Sheraton, Na there my stand dey.

I don do day shift today, so I get ur time this night.

Make I stir my NKWOBI cos Alhaji dey road dey come.

CityNG:
Stop supporting MLM schemes that rip off unsuspecting motorists.

Okay, oya your turn to follow up that weakling threat of yours

There's a special place reserved in the deepest depths of hell for those that take advantage of fellow human beings. People like youa re the ones enticing buyers with custom auction sites.

Stop supporting and or selling products that have no usefulness to your fellow countrymen.

PS: Consider this not just a push but a firm shove. So let's see what you are going to do but make sure you are well loaded with data and your batter is fully charged though

This guy is high on gum.

Abi Sanusi d gateman don give u MANDARA to sniff?

Oya, pastor quote Bible join Na as u don bring hell fire into XFT/MLM things.

Quote or be silent.

chillex8:
Am so enjoying this. ....

Welcome to the thread chillex

CityNG:
Okay Gentlemen, my job here is done, as far as the product is concerned but will respond to my new found admirers (you can never be me mates)

Anyone that is foolish enough to want to try this product will see all this discussions on the internet and as well on Linda Ikejis blog from 2013.

I will also make sure to do a write up on my NaijaDrives.Com site to warn others.

Hope yah all have a nice day. I sure am

So after all your shakara, Na to market you sef come do?

Mtcheww. Marketer attacking marketer

Anya gi acha red osiso.

CityNG:
Post one, just one proof from any site I linked that says the product works. You are a habitual liar

But I guess that quality goes along with being morally flexible to sell scam products.

Oya, tell us which laboratory says XFT does not work.

Let me REPEAT O............. WHICH LABORATORY HAS SAID XFT DOES NOT WORK.

I repeat one more time.......WHICH LABORATORY HAS PUBLISHED A DOCUMENT TO SAY XFT DOES NOT WORK.

CityNG:
The irony is screaming on this post, screaming very loudly

It's a shame really, Now wonder you are supporting a product that will actually wreck the engines of your fellow countrymen.

Sharrap joor.

What about those of your auto colleagues who import accidented cars, repairs and sell as tokunbo. Those ones are real DEATH MERCHANTS. I don't see any of the threads you have started or commented on addressing those ones.

I'm sure you are one of those who buy hail damaged and flooded cars on autobidmaster.com and when those cars get here, you say they are the best.

You are beginning to sound like a bloody forming hypocrite.

andre82:
Then seriously, u got 2ur age being completely......... How many times will I have 2say that Yes, it doesn't work. Tell me, does that in any sense promote the product or support MLM? Do u even read @ all before commenting? No wonder those outside Nigeria thinks we r dumb. They must have been studying some odd specimens. Anyway, I give up. Seems some skulls are too hard 2be drilled into. Lols...

Even if u carry Schlumberger, Halliburton and Addax come this guy skull, their drill bits go break ni. Na this kind drill bit go drill him skull.

CityNG:
I'm not your Bros, stop lying.

Quit supporting scammers and MLM schemers selling products that are defrauding the motoring public.

No wonder the country is in ruins, I mean with self acclaimed academic professionals like you that are supporting products that are unproven and untested by independent laboratories.

The product simply doesn't work. Focus on that and stop your lame and frankly weakling attempt to insult or discredit me. I'm immune. I didn't get to be my age without being insulted by some snort nosed know it all kid or the other. Get over yourself already.

Aboki don supply you skunk abi. Your own attack pass XFT pple sef.

Old bow wow.

andre82:
Bros, ua the one making it about me and you. I'm a professional and an academic. I don't do MLM nor do I scam. I don't market products anywhere. I may not be in your league, heck I don't wanna be in a league of older men charging up on people all cos they wanna express themselves on an issue. I've repeated my stance again and u shd get it through ur skull (a 5yr old reading this will probably have got the message by now)

Gbam!

CityNG:
I don't use speech to text so why would you assumed I used speech to text?

The product doesn't work and is detrimental to engines.

I wonder how many engines that this product has ruined in Nigeria.

You can attack me all day, I don't mind as I'm immune to snake oil MLM schemers.

For your info, I'm not into snake oil and I don't peddle any MLM so I don't give a hoot. Even your oyibo sef no match the kind pedigree wey u dey form.

That you don't use it doesn't mean others don't.

CityNG:
Your position is of no concern to me.

What are you afraid of?

By the way you don't open your mouth online to type.

OK. We don hear. Then you havent heard of speech to text or text to speech( or youve refused to upgrade) Welcome to the world of XFT. You either agree it works or not. Chikena.

CityNG:
Unfortunately for you I'm an Autoist and cannot in good judgement stand by and watch you guys fleece the motoring public with your snake oil scheme.

If you have independent laboratory results, instead of just repeating MLM ploys, then I will apologize. Until then I'm not swerving or parking.

I've said this before, the average Nigerian is worse and ding more damage than the government. We all have our part to play.

Some educative readings to potential users - http://www.carbibles.com/snakeoil.html

"The Psychological Placebo

You have to wonder, with the volume of evidence accumulating against oil additives, why so many of us still buy them. That's the million-dollar question, and it's just as difficult to answer as why so many of us smoke cigarettes, drink hard liquor or engage in any other number of questionable activities. We know they aren't good for us - but we go ahead and do them anyway.

Part of the answer may lie in what some psychiatrists call the psychological placebo effect. Simply put, that means that many of us hunger for that peace of mind that comes with believing we have purchased the absolute best or most protection we can possibly get.

Even better, there's that wonderfully smug feeling that comes with thinking we might be a step ahead of the pack, possessing knowledge of something just a bit better than everyone else.

Then again, perhaps it comes from an ancient, deep-seated need we all seem to have to believe in magic. There has never been any shortage of unscrupulous types ready to cash in on our willingness to believe that there's some magical mystery potion we can buy to help us lose weight, grow hair, attract the opposite sex or make our engines run longer and better. I doubt that there's a one of us who hasn't fallen for one of these at least once in our lifetimes. We just want it to be true so bad that we can't help ourselves.
Testimonial Hype vs. Scientific Analysis

In general, most producers of oil additives rely on personal testimonials to advertise and promote their products. A typical print advertisement will be one or more letters from a satisfied customer stating something like, 1 have used Brand X in my engine for 2 years and 50,000 miles and it runs smoother and gets better gas mileage than ever before. I love this product and would recommend it to anyone.

Such evidence is referred to as anecdotal and is most commonly used to pro mote such things as miracle weight loss diets and astrology.

Whenever I see one of these ads I am reminded of a stunt played out several years ago by Allen Funt of Candid Camera that clearly demonstrated the side of human nature that makes such advertising possible.

With cameras in full view, fake product demonstrators would offer people passing through a grocery store the opportunity to taste-test a new soft drink. What the victims didn't know was that they were being given a horrendous concoction of castor oil, garlic juice, tabasco sauce and several other foul-tasting ingredients. After taking a nice, big swallow, as instructed by the demonstrators, the unwitting victims provided huge laughs for the audience by desperately trying to conceal their anguish and disgust. Some literally turned away from the cameras and spit the offending potion on the floor.

The fascinating part came when about one out of four of the victims would actually turn back to the cameras and proclaim the new drink was Great or Unique or, in several cases, One of the best things I've ever tasted! Go figure.

The point is, compiling personal testimonials for a product is one of the easiest things an advertising company can do - and one of the safest, too. You see, as long as they are only expressing some one else's personal opinion, they don't have to prove a thing! It's just an opinion, and needs no basis in fact whatsoever.

On the other hand, there has been documented, careful scientific analysis done on numerous oil additives by accredited institutions and researchers.

For example:

Avco Lycoming, a major manufacturer of aircraft engines, states, We have tried every additive we could find on the market, and they are all worthless.

Briggs and Stratton, renowned builders of some of the most durable engines in the world, says in their report on engine oil additives, They do not appear to offer any benefits.

North Dakota State University conducted tests on oil additives and said in their report, The theory sounds good - the only problem is that the products simply don't work.

And finally, Ed Hackett, chemist at the University of Nevada Desert Research Center, says, Oil additives should not be used. The oil companies have gone to great lengths to develop an additive pack age that meets the vehicle's requirements. If you add anything to this oil you may upset the balance and prevent the oil from performing to specification.

Petrolon, Inc., of Houston, Texas, makers of Petrolon and producers of at least a dozen other lubrication products containing PTFE, including Slick 50 and Slick 30 Motorcycle Formula, claim that, Multiple tests by independent laboratories have shown that when properly applied to an automotive engine, Slick 50 Engine Formula reduces wear on engine parts. Test results have shown that Slick 50 treated engines sustained 50 percent less wear than test engines run with premium motor oil alone.

Sounds pretty convincing, doesn't it?

The problem is, Petrolon and the other oil additive companies that claim scientific evidence from independent laboratories, all refuse to identify the laboratories that conducted the tests or the criteria under which the tests were conducted. They claim they are contractually bound by the laboratories to not reveal their identities.

In addition, the claim of 50 percent less wear has never been proven on anything approaching a long-term basis. Typical examples used to support the additive makers' claims involve engines run from 100 to 200 hours after treatment, during which time the amount of wear particles in the oil decreased. While this has proven to be true in some cases, it has also been proven that after 400 to 500 hours of running the test engines invariably reverted to producing just as many wear particles as before treatment, and in some cases, even more.

No matter what the additive makers would like you to believe, nothing has been proven to stop normal engine wear.

You will note that all of the research facilities quoted in this article are clearly identified. They have no problem with making their findings public. You will also note that virtually all of their findings about oil additives are negative. That's not because we wanted to give a biased report against oil additives - it's because we couldn't find a single laboratory, engine manufacturer or independent research facility who would make a public claim, with their name attached to it, that any of the additives were actually beneficial to an engine. The conclusion seems inescapable.

As a final note on advertising hype versus the real world, we saw a television ad the other night for Slick 50 oil additive. The ad encouraged people to buy their product on the basis of the fact that, Over 14 million Americans have tried Slick 50! Great. We're sure you could just as easily say, Over 14 million Americans have smoked cigarettes! -but is that really any reason for you to try it? Of course not, because you've seen the scientific evidence of the harm it can do. The exact same principle applies here.
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In Conclusion

The major oil companies are some of the richest, most powerful and aggressive corporations in world. They own multi-million dollar research facilities manned by some of the best chemical engineers money can hire. It is probably safe to say that any one of them has the capabilities and resources at hand in marketing, distribution, advertising, research and product development equal to 20 times that of any of the independent additive companies. It therefore stands to reason that if any of these additive products were actually capable of improving the capabilities of engine lubricants, the major oil companies would have been able to determine that and to find some way to cash in on it.

Yet of all the oil additives we found, none carried the name or endorsement of any of the major oil producers.

In addition, all of the major vehicle and engine manufacturers spend millions of dollars each year trying to increase the longevity of their products, and millions more paying off warranty claims when their products fail. Again, it only stands to reason that if they thought any of these additives would increase the life or improve the performance of their engines, they would be actively using and selling them - or at least endorsing their use.

Instead, many of them advise against the use of these additives and, in some cases, threaten to void their warranty coverage if such things are found to be used in their products.

In any story of this nature, absolute facts are virtually impossible to come by. Opinions abound. Evidence that points one direction or the other is avail able, but has to be carefully ferreted out, and is not always totally reliable or completely verifiable.

In this environment, conclusions reached by known, knowledgeable experts in the field must be given a certain amount of weight. Conclusions reached by unknown, unidentifiable sources must be discounted almost totally. That which is left must be weighed, one side against the other, in an attempt to reach a reasonable conclusion.

In the case of oil additives, there is a considerable volume of evidence against their effectiveness. This evidence comes from well-known and identifiable expert sources, including independent research laboratories, state universities, major engine manufacturers, and even NASA.

Against this rather formidable barrage of scientific research, additive makers offer not much more than their own claims of effectiveness, plus questionable and totally unscientific personal testimonials. Though the purveyors of these products state they have studies from other independent laboratories supporting their claims, they refuse to identify the labs or provide copies of the research. The only test results they will share are those from their own testing departments, which must, by their very nature, be taken with a rather large grain of salt.

You should also note that the AA (UK Automobile Assosciation) has since also carried out tests on Slick-50 type friction reducers and concluded the same: they generally result in blocked oil filters."

Read more: http://www.carbibles.com/snakeoil.html#ixzz3G9XQqfJH

I wonder why people like u will just open your mouth and start talking anyhow when you only came on in the middle of a conversation.

I mentioned before you joined the thread that the product doesn't work.

I mentioned before you joined the thread that what they market is MLM which to me is a scam.

I mentioned before you joined the thread that it sells based on the placebo effect.

So what new thing are you saying? Instead of you to know people's position before jumping to conclusion, you are just running your engine like automatic transmission.

Oga, go manual joor. Pause and reason before you start blabbing.

CityNG:
Unless your previous post was laboratory proof then you're just pissing in the wind.

The product simple doesn't work as claimed on this thread.

Anyone selling this product is engaged in fleecing the motoring public. It's that simple.

Fight dey your blood o. Carry on. As if say Na u be first person to say the thing no dey work. Park 1 side joor.

CityNG:
I'm not your guest.

Post the lab proof that your snake oil works. Stop fleecing the motoring public.

Take it easy CityNG. Your response shows you really haven't gone through some previous posts on this thread especially mine.

FYI, I fleece nobody.

samisparkle24:
Guy,you are entitle to your opinion,you definitely a doubting thomas.
I used XFT,I know it works,likewise,my customers,so i careless of your opinion,please SAVE it.

Alhaji SamiDeen. I dey Lagos o. I wan sell market. Hope say ram still dey freezer 4 me?

CityNG:
IT DOES NOT WORK. You're just repeating the placebo effects or you're an MLM marketer.

There's nothing that you can add to fuel that will give you better economy.

You're 20 years behind me in technology. We went through this 20 years ago in the US and it was proven that it's a fallacy.

It didn't work for you and you're just repeating what you've been told by your MLM handlers.

Submit a verification test done by an independent laboratory.

The simple truth you just mentioned sir. The PLACEBO effect. MLM handlers.

I'm also waiting to read about an independent lab test. Especially here in Nigeria.

CityNG:
The product does not work. It's snake oil and you're only promoting it because you make money fleecing the uneducated Nigerian motorists.

Submit your lab proof that it works,

People don't waste your money.

Welcome to this thread CityNG.

For what? Journey don finish Na.

PointB:
Just let FCMB know that the loan will be regard as Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR).

GBA bee.

geophyscist:
am an aspiring geophyscist currently doing my industrial attachment in lagos.

Do u have access to seismic/well log data?

DrDauda:
"lOLZ

As a kid, my uncles n aunties came home with this magazine with a character called DAUDA/NACKSON. Is that where ur name came from? Just curious cos I know NACKSON/DAUDA( the character) did wonders.