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FxMasterz:
Lol

I have not been readings.your posts, just gleaming through. I'm very busy at the moment. My responses may not be comprehensive, and may not address your points headlong but I have done my best to let you know that there's a system and there's a man. While you think that the system is the anti, I'm making you know that there's a man in the system. A devil-incarnate. Satan's last card. I'll find time today to school you.

The Roman Catholic church started in Rome. It wasn't even part of the antichrists John was talking about. I've not been fully reading your posts but today I'll try to read and respond. I'm in one of my very busy days, additional I got discouraged reading your texts when you were writing in all smalls letters, with no order.

What do you think you're saying that I should learn from? That the Antichrist has already come? Lol. THE SAME WAY YOU said THE JESUS CAME IN 1914 - or are you not a JW? If you're not a JW, I'm surprised where you got all those craps from.

look at the base of your post at the bolded. are you mentally unstable or what? you see why I said you pretend and live in denial too much abeg carry your wahala dey go. I never knew I was dealing with a mentally unstable person.

FxMasterz:
I don't think I'm talking with a sound believer. Also, you must be very immature to think that a debate is a fight. What disgrace are you talking about? I am a gentleman. I do not mean to disgrace you but to present what you can learn from me while I also learn from you. You're just too awkward. I have tried to subtly call you to order to no avail. I.engage in healthy debates. Not unnecessary banters. If I learn any new thing from you, I'll commend you and appreciate you. That's me, that's a mature way to debate. And if I dismantle your ignorance, I'll still address you honorably. Not your kiddish puffed up arrogance debating in hopes of disgracing another. You're so unrefined.

pls stop forming what ever you think yiur are fpr me I have seen you form what ever you are. na you come be the sound believer falsely accusing me of saying christ came in 1914. pls just shut your trap mr gentle man indeed.


I talk about disgrace because you pretend not to see your own shortcomings and mistakes you make. did you not call apostasia the love of many waxing cold?
you pretend not to see evidence and evade questions.

I have been the one actaully debating in a healthy manner with point to point explanations with evidence. but you where busy ignoring and falsely acussing me of things I never said.

FxMasterz:
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on the contrary you go by public opinion and you dont know the bible. the doctrine you believe is called futurism and it follows the pretribulation rapture doctrine which is a false doctrine that arose at the wake of the reformation.see the proof below that you are ignoring I can also give you more..

In the late Middle Ages and the Protestant Reformation, some commentators sought
to identify the Antichrist with the Pope, so that figures from the Book of Revelation might not only be interpreted as representing figures in the past
(such as the Emperor Nero) or in the future (in the Last Days), but also in the present. Ribera in 1585 began writing a 500-page commentary on the Book of Revelation, titled
In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarii, proposing that the first chapters of the Apocalypse applied to ancient pagan Rome, and the rest referred to a yet future period of 3½ literal years, immediately prior to the second coming. During that time, the Roman Catholic Church would have fallen away from the pope into apostasy . Then, he proposed, the Antichrist, a single individual, would:

Persecute and blaspheme the saints of God

Rebuild the temple in Jerusalem

Abolish the Christian religion

Deny Jesus Christ

Destroy Rome

Be received by the Jews

Pretend to be God

Kill the two witnesses of God

Conquer the world.

-- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Ribera
the above shows you are following public opinion and your assertions are not your own



you have shown great ignorance by saying history is anti scripture I wonder if you are twleve years old. the bible itself is a book of history and you cant seperate the two.
the prophecies of daniel cannot be understood without going back in time through history to understand and unravel it.

in daniel 7, daniel chronicled a list of nations to come one after the other starting from babylon so in other to understand that prophecy a good bible student would go back in time and investigate events leading up to present time. yiur actually showing dumbness I cant beleive this!!..

you are still grasping at straws by quoting 2 thessalonians2 and 1 john 2:18 which I have adressed. now let me say it again in case you didnt get.

paul and john speaking with the same spirirt are refering to the same thing and same event and the proof lies in the fact that they are both speaking of an antichrist and a falling away. 2 thessalonians 2: 3 let no man decieve you you for that day will not come except a falling away (apostasia) comes first and that man of sin be revealed.

from the above verse we can see that it is the apostasia that revealed the antichrist. now lets go to john;

They went out from us, (apostasia)but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made MANIFEST that they were not all of us.
-- 1 John 2:19



did you notice the word manifest? in other words john is saying that an apostatsia is to happen for the antichrist to manisfest that is to show that they are not of the true church these goes to show these men are speaking of the same thing and same entity. there are no two antichrist any good bible student knows that. the plural word in johns writing is referring to the same entity and we know this by reading 18-19 of the verse to understand what he is talking about because john used the word "they" which is still plural to refer to the same entity. so this is talking of a system and an organization.

in case you dont know the last days started since the time of christ. even 1 john 2;18 said we are in the last days because the antichrist has come you dont know your bible at all but let me continue teaching you for free.


your problem is understanding and that comes from the fact that you dont study and comprehend the bible. yes paul said the man of sin but is paul referring to just one single powerful super bad guy in the future? the answer is no and the proof lies in daniel 7; 8 , "I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things.
-- Daniel 7:8

from the above scripture we see here that daniel says the little horn has the eyes and mouth of a man but is daniel pointing to just one man in the future? this is when a good bible student willl do their investigation. now let me school you proper. the first image of a lion was babylon and after babylon came greece amd after greece came rome. see scripture below

Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
-- Daniel 7:23

now we can only know the fourth kingdom if we go back to history to find out. now history has it that rome took over from greece who took over from medo persia who took over from babylon. so history is in perfect agreement with the bible that rome is the fourth kingdom.

now see what the bible said again below

And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
-- Daniel 7:24


it is now clear from the above scripture that this little horn that arose after these ten kings is a political power with a kingdom meaning a system by with an office by which it acts or assumes power. from this we know that this man who persecutes the saints and blasphems God is a king/ kingdom just as the bible says. in otherwords the bible implies the antichrist is working through system / an office or a postion in a system and that is where the power lies. understanding is key. the bible also says this same horn persecuted the saints for 3.5 prophetic years which is 1260 literal years and no man lives that long but let me stop there.

so we can now see that ths little horn is a political power by which men assume a top position to assume power. in that case the antichrist is not just a single man that is to come at the end of time but but an entity by which men assumes a position to act as antichrist simple.


the beast that was capture along with the false prophet is not a singular person but a system/political entity . you are greatly mistaken when you say the beast is a man. it show your level of ignorance. the biblical interpretation of a beast in prophecy is a political nation. just as we see it in daniel 7. the beast is talking of a nation and in this case it is talking of the metamorphosed beast which is still same as the little horn kingdom antichrist system. notice the beast embodies all the charateristics of the former beasts before it in daniel 7 all the way to babylon. which is why the bible calls it mystery babylon notice the angel said in revelation 17:15 that the waters which you saw the beast arose from are peoples multupitudes and tongues. this indicates that these are symbolical representaion and not literal. so they have an underlying meaning. oga you dey goof ohh.


and if the beast is a symbolical representation of a political kingdom then his image will also be a political kingdom and not a literal image as you think so you are wrong.

so far with both scripture amd historical proof we can see that the beast, the little horn with eyes and mouth of a man is not is not just talking of one singular super bad guy to come in the future but an entity and system or political kingdom which is already present with the man already assumed his position of antichrist and succeded by another upon death in office these men take upon them the title of the vicar of thesupon assumption of office which is vicar if the son of God and the numerical equivalent of the tittle is = Vicarius=112 · Filii=53 · Dei=501 =666, other words the antichrist is already here.

FxMasterz:
Tonight, I'll create time for you okay.

I don't need all the stories you're telling. I'll take you from scripture to scripture to debunk your lies.

Of course, those reading us know who's unintelligent and ignorantly boastful. Even telling disjointed stories that interest no one neither are they in any way connected to the subject matter.

The important things I'll iron out with you tonight are:

1. Is the antichrist a person or a system?

2. Has he already come or is he in the future?

Those are the only issues I have with you. Any other thing you're saying is irrelevant.

there is nothing left for you to present anymore. if you doubt me. bring it on tonight I am waiting. you had your chance you didnt present nothing. wetin you wan come form again.. the two topics you presented have already been addressed by me with historical and biblical proofs but if you want your second round of disgrace then come back tonight

FxMasterz:
The first way to know an heretic is by his pride and bloated ego. You don't know me, yet you boast yourself to be someone not in the level of an individual you know nothing about. Is that not plain arrogance? Very demonically induced pride.

I have pointed out your errors. Honestly, if not due to the volume of tasks on my table which make me read hastily and post hastily, I would have matched several points with scriptures upon scriptures to expose your foolishness. Just give me time, I'll come for you once I'm free.

DID I SAY THAT THE ANTICHRIST IS A SYSTEM HEADED BY A MAN? QUOTE WHERE I SAID THAT!

My position is that there's a system. An antichrist system. Infact, the entire unbelieving world is an antichrist system . Anything anti-God is antichrist. But then, there's a system headed by The Antichrist. The system is different from the antichrist. The system is currently at work right now in the world. In its appointment time, the antichrist would be revealed. He heads the system.

There are so many flaws in your argument. My usual way of countering unbalanced information here on Nairaland is to quote you and counter, or produce screenshots of relevant sections of your quotes and counter them one after the other.

Frankly speaking, your posts and arguments appear unintelligent. I'm not used to making such comments as this when I see such flaws in people but I detest proud individuals and have no iota of respect for them.

Yeah, by saying you appear unintelligent, I'm talking what's obvious without intending any pune. Take for example your contradictory assertion that the Antichrist was the ones John referred to in 1John 2:19, and then join it to another assertion of yours that the collapse of Rome paved way for the emergence of the antichrist. Since you do not know how to separate the system of the antichrist from the person of the antichrist, you're automatically saying that the antichrist appeared even in the days of John, and again appeared after the fall of Rome. Lol. That's just one out of many. Go back and read yourself, reorganize your thoughts, become humble and be open minded. I'm doing the same. Stop being childish. Arguing and boasting at the same time is the Hallmark of childishness. Even if you know more than anyone, present yourself maturely, leave the commendation to your listeners. If you don't know this by now, I guess I'm chatting with a kid.

I've read only the first paragraphs of your post. I don't know what you said in the other parts. No time to read everything right now. I'll create the time later on. I'll respond to you comprehensively in one single post. But for now, understand my English thus:

THERE'S AN ANTICHRIST SYSTEM HEADED BY a MAN. There's a system and there's a man. The system is already in the world but the man is still future. He'll emerge out of the system to rule the world. He's the man of sin. His name is given in numerals. The Bible says 'Calculate the number of his name.' The number is 666. He's one man. Not a system. A devil incarnate. Satan's christ. In one single post, I'll be back to prove this position beyond reasonable doubt.

always forming I have no time, who are you deceiving,.. the time you used to type all these you would have used it to address my points with facts if you have any in your head. those who read our debat can clearly see who is unintelligent.
you cannot address my assertions point by point yet this is what I do with both historical proof and scriptural proof.

all what you have said here is nothing but empty words with no substance nor evidence backed by history or scriptural fact just emptiness of words and rants.


look at a man who does not even understand APOSTASY.

I dont need to know you in person but I have weighed you through your reply and have seen that your not an intelligent person neither do you have a comprehensive knowledge about what your talking about and thats why I said you are not on my level.


I gave you proof both scriptural and historical. I have asked you to do same even asked you questions of which you are dodging. I have seen that your just a waste of my time I taught I was arguing with an intelligent person what a mistake.
let me give you a proper definition of pride and ego: it is the purposeful neglect and rejection of the truth right in front of your face and refusing to accept correction and lesson while pretending to still know it all even without presenting any evidence. this is the typical case with you


what a funny person you asked me a qeustion and even anwered your self therefor prooving your own flaws by yourself and you have the guts to call me confused when you are the definition of confused. just take a look at the bolded words in your post above. you said I should show you where you said the antichrist is a system headed by a man yet at the base of you post you still admitted it is a system headed by a man. lol confused man.


for your info every thing you have typed up there is empty with no proof no fact empty words of nothingness. pls try and address my posts point by point the way I am doing it

FxMasterz:
Lol

I have not been readings.your posts, just gleaming through. I'm very busy at the moment. My responses may not be comprehensive, and may not address your points headlong but I have done my best to let you know that there's a system and there's a man. While you think that the system is the anti, I'm making you know that there's a man in the system. A devil-incarnate. Satan's last card. I'll find time today to school you.

The Roman Catholic church started in Rome. It wasn't even part of the antichrists John was talking about. I've not been fully reading your posts but today I'll try to read and respond. I'm in one of my very busy days, additional I got discouraged reading your texts when you were writing in all smalls letters, with no order.

What do you think you're saying that I should learn from? That the Antichrist has already come? Lol. The same way you said the Jesus came in 1914 - or are you not a JW? If you're not a JW, I'm surprised where you got all those craps from.

look I am not in your level for your info. and I know I have schooled you enough for you for you to admiit that the antichrist isnt just a man but a system headed by a man.

there is no devil incarnate to come in the future. the devil incarnate are in the popes who assume the office of the vicar of christ. this is bible truth and the position of the reformers. also you must be very ignorant to think that john was talking about a falling away that will happen in jerusalem. christianity was spreading fast and it got to rome even during the time of the apostles. and the apostles understood that the falling away and corruption of the church will not happen in jerusalem but in rome the headquaters of world corruption

see the definition of apostasia again in case you dont understand; "APOSTASY is the formal disaffiliation from, abandonment of, or renunciation of a religion by a person. It can also be defined within the broader context of embracing an opinion that is contrary to one's previous religious beliefs.-- Wikipedia

from the above have you seen that you are wrong to think it has to do with peoples love waxing cold !! can you see your own ignorance now. are you seeing your disgrace? pls feel ashamed small nahh..

let me also educate you for free again; the doctrine you believe is known as futurism proposed by a catholic jesuit known as francisco ribera in 1585. this was in the wake of the protestant reformation by Martin luther and other reformers who called the office of the papacy the antichrist. this has been the views of the early christians from the time of the apostles until 1585. these below are excerpts from wikipedia its not even hidden


In the late Middle Ages and the Protestant Reformation, some commentators sought
to identify the Antichrist with the Pope, so that figures from the Book of Revelation might not only be interpreted as representing figures in the past (such as the Emperor
Nero) or in the future (in the Last Days), but also in the present. Ribera in 1585 began writing a 500-page commentary on the Book of Revelation, titled In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarii, proposing that the first chapters of the Apocalypse applied to ancient pagan Rome, and the rest referred to a yet future period of 3½ literal years, immediately prior to the second coming. During that time, the Roman Catholic Church would have fallen away from the pope into apostasy . Then, he proposed, the Antichrist, a single individual, would:

Persecute and blaspheme the saints of God

Rebuild the temple in Jerusalem

Abolish the Christian religion

Deny Jesus Christ

Destroy Rome

Be received by the Jews

Pretend to be God

Kill the two witnesses of God

Conquer the world.

-- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Ribera

this view follows the dispensational eschatological view which holds that the jews have a different programe of salvation and that there eyes will be opened when the antichrist breaks his covenant with them. all these are false doctrine of the jesuit. just to take away fingers pointing to the papacy as antichrist and they have succeeded with people like you believing it .

I can school you for free every day and twice on sunday. my previouse questions still stands. you have not attempted them lol.. nah me you wan form for lol you never start. bring it on let me see what you got.

and yes I have thought you that the antichrist has come already if not tell me the significance of the little horns eyes and mouth and if it has arisen out of the beast or not and prove it with history and the bible I am waiting patiently.


pls I am not a jw, you are now showing weakness by putting words in my mouth and lying against me. where did I say christ came in 1914. I thought I was talking to a reasonable human beign

FxMasterz:
You're confused. From day one I.have posited that there's a system and there's a man. It seems you're a JW. I can understand where the heresy is coming from.

Even the falling away mentioned in 2Thess 2, you interpreted it as the fall of Rome. Then later you interpreted it as few brothers leaving the church. You called those guys the antichrist. Meanwhile, they were not part of the Roman Catholic whose popes you also called the antichrist. According to you, those whom John referred to are the antichrist. Centuries later, Popes emerged, you called them too the antichrist. How can someone be so confused?

Hopefully today or tomorrow I'll have your time. I don't have time right now. That's why you still have mouth to brag.

A single man has done all those things before in the past on a small scale - Antiochus Epiphanes. So, why can't another single man do it again in the future? Anyone who heads a government as vast as his can do any of those things you're doubting. I just have to take you from scripture to scripture.

you should be ashamed to call me confused because you are the confused one. and you have shown it. your lack of comprehension is making you confused. the information I give is heavy for to comprehend and thtas why you call me confused.

you cant deny that you have learned a lot from me you should see it as a privilege.

show me where I said that the falling away is the fall of rome? I am waiting pls dont fail
you dont understand simple things and that is because you lack basic knowledge of history.

a man who believes the little horn of daniel has emerged but think the antichrist has not emerged is a true confused man. if you doubt me about that then prove it using the bible.

I also asked you what is the significance of the eyes and mouth of the little hor

I said the falling away is the departure of the apostate church from the true church. and this apostate church would gain power at the fall of rome. I have proven this times and again through the book of daniel 7. but you are blind to see that.

you are obviously the confused one, so according to you john has a different antichrist and paul has his own antichrist.. can you see that you lack simple understanding. a man who does not know that the bible writers are speaking through one spirirt and they are saying the same.

let me ask you are there two antichrist? and where did the bible mention them. I am waiting.

antiochus epiphanes was a greek and not a roman. your see your lack of undesstanding?
antiochus did not persecute the saints. antiochus did not change the commanment of God, anticohus did not put himself in place of christ. antiochus did not rule the world. so mr remove that antiochus you know nothing. I will teach you again today!!

the book of daniel said the antichrist will arise from rome in daniel 7 so mr you are wrong.


and see another question you are dodging below

oga daniel 7 clearly tells you this system has a mans eyes and mouth
speaking great things blaspheming God and persecuting the saints do you
thinks this is talking of a particular man? or a system with a man positioned
at the top.? answer the question ps

also if the man of sin is to come through a system as you have agreed do you think other men has not occupied that position before? I am waiting

if no!, state why and give bible proof.

the bible clearly states that this little horn that arose at the fall of the roman empire persecuted the saints untill christ came. it simply means the horn existed from the time of the apostles to the end of the world. make I still dey teach you.

which is why paul stated that the power of antichrist is already at work even in there time. also why john stated that even now there are many antichrists. you see how there words agree?


pls today is sunday I am ready for you . I have already shown you enough evidence that you cannot help but agree with me that the antichrist is a system headed by a man.
I wll also make agree with me today in the end so I am waiting.

malcom1X:
You are saying this as a Christian.
The Jews don't believe in Christ.
They have a plan and believe that they will build the temple one day.
But right now there is another object at the location of their temple which they themselves jews can not enter.
You are wrong again

Note that I'm talking about the false prophet.
Not the antichrist. They will be working hand in hand

you are the wrong one. there is no salvation outside christ. christ is the God of the jews and the gentiles.

the temple was destroyed in 70 by the romans and the jews taken captive and dispersed through out the world.

FxMasterz:
You're the one contradicting yourself. I do not agree that the antichrist has already emerged. He's still future. The benefit you have is that I really don't have time right now. I'm just coming online today very briefly. Perhaps tomorrow.

I have shown you scriptures already that the Antichrist is a person. To this, all christians worldwide agree. It's even funny that you're equating what John said about antichrists being in the world already to be the same thing as the antichrist. Can't you different between antichrists and the antichrist? Or what type of Eschatology are you doing? The antichrist is the head of a system of antichrists. What's hard in that?

lol seeing you agree that the antichrist is a system yet disagree it is a positon occupied by other men is quit contradictory so you are the one contradicting your self.
I am actually teaching and not arguing with you. I believe you have learned from arguing with me even though you will deny it.

I am not arguing that the antichrist is not a person but I am saying that the antichrist has to do with a system than a person which is why I said it is a system with a man at the top and you disagree

if you believe the little horn of Daniel 7 is the system of the antichrist yet believe the antichrist has not emerged then you contradict yourself and disagree with the bible.


the bible refers to the little horn with eyes and mouth of a man as the one blapheming God, persecuting the saints, changing times and laws and all these has already happend. do you thing all these will be done by a man in the future? if you do then you have kbpw kbowledge of history. the man occupying the sit of the papacy will be the son of perdition. the antichrist has already emerged.



even martin Luther the refomer and the host of others called the papacy the sit of the antichrist.
you they learn work. you dont know history .

malcom1X:
Bro you are interpreting the bible wrongly.

There's a reason why the Israelis are not worshipping God in their temple right now. It's because there's something else built on that particular location which is the Al Aqsa mosque.

I'm not going to argue with you any longer.

you are the one who is wrong. the israelis are not wprshipping God because christ has died and the temple worship is cancelled. that is why the romans destroyed it in 70ad the temple of God is the the body of the christian and not a physical place.

acts 7:48However, the Most High doesn’t live in temples made by human hands. As the
prophet says,

FxMasterz:
I don't even have the time for unnecessary arguments.

You have said it in your confusion that the antichrist heads a system. The word 'The' I'd a definite article pointing to something. The words it points to is singular- Antichrist. Not antichrists. There's a. Man of Sin. One man. The antichrist is more powerful than the Popes. When he emerges he would not be mistaken. All these your conspiracy theories hold no water. I have shown you facts already from scripture, and you have confessed multiple times that he is a man heading a system. Why argue with yourself?

Daniel 7 is talking about the system. The antichrist is part of the system but has a distinct individuality from the system. The problem you're having is your inability to separate the antichrist from the system of the antichrist.

you are the confused one. I have maintained from the start that the antichrist a system headed by a man. you are the one arguing that it is just a single man in the future. well you have finally agreed with me that its a system headed by a man. you are the confused one.

since you now admit that daniel 7 is taliking about a system, let me ask you what is the significance of the eyes and mouth of the little horn and has the little horn emerged?


notice you are now slowly agreeing with me in everything I said but yet have not been able to prove all you have said so far. such as the antichrist coming to bring peace in the niddle east and sitting in a rebuilt temple
I am waiting.

FxMasterz:
You're confused.

The Antichrist would do much more than that. The time of the antichrist is trickling. Stop confusing yourself. The antichrist system is different from the antichrist himself. That's the Bible!

I can see you have no other line of defence nor fact to prove your point. the time of the antichrist has already come. the bible revealed it a long time ago in the book of daniel. unless you diagree with the bible. then invent your own antichrist.

I asked you a question, if you are honest about your belief then answer it.

oga daniel 7 clearly tells you this system has a mans eyes and mouth
speaking great things blaspheming God and persecuting the saints do you
thinks this is talking of a particular man? or a system with a man positioned
at the top.? answer this question.!!

let me also ask you another one.
has the little horn of daniel with eyes and mouth emerged?




every thing you believe about the antichrist you cannot prove with the scriptures yet you call me confused. you are the confused one running from pullar to post..

FxMasterz:
Is sit only the Catholics that blaspheme God? If you would judge with that, then everybody who blasphemes God is the antichrist. I think you just love unnecessary arguments. After admitting that the antichrist is the one man head of a system and not a system, what further argument do we need? Is that not in tandem with my position already? The antichrist is the head of a system. There is one man at the end of time regardless of whatever antichrist practices existed before him that is explicitly referred to as the man of sin. Many have betrayed Christ but not everyone is called the son of perdition except Judas Iscariot. Many are antichrists but not everyone is The Antichrist except The MAN OF SIN. Note, not The Men of Sin. That's clear enough.

you are now not making sense.who esle have positioned themselves in place of christ and God ? who esle has claimed to forgive sins? who else have changed the commandment of God? you have you have no argument abeg. I am teaching you I am not arguing with with you. read what I wrote again from the beginning I told you that the antichrist isnt just a system but a system headed by a man and even given scripture to prove.

the fact that the antichrist is not just a single man in the future is revealed by daniel 7s little horn and revelation 17 and 18 every thing written in those scriptures where fulfilled by a series of popes through the vatican which is a system and an organization. if you say the antichrist is a man that comes through a system them your ultimately agreeing with me which is what I have been saying since. and if that is the case then there is no way the man will just come out of no where in the future rather he comes into a position through a system and process by which other men have occupied before common sense!!

oga daniel 7 clearly tells you this system has a mans eyes and mouth speaking great things blaspheming God and persecuting the saints do you thinks this is talking of a particular man? or a system with a man positioned at the top.? answer this question.!!


the fact of the matter is that there is nothing a future anctichrist will fulfill that the popes have not done already.

malcom1X:
The image is the mosque right there right now.
The abomination that maketh desolate

wrong the image is a nation nust as the beast symbolizes a nation.
the abomination that makes desolate is idolatery not mosque.

the temple of God is not located in a particular geographical area call israel. but it is located in the true believers of christ

[quote author=FxMasterz post=127028493][/quote]you say I am wrong? lol you are even double wrong.

the popes never gained any political promince before 538.

no one obeyed the popes above the emperors before 538. in rome the ceasears ehere seen as Gods
the title pontifex maximus was given to the popes by the cesears showing a transference of power and authority.
you are busy citing a donation that happend in 756. which has no significance here. when the popes already gained authority way back in 538ad . after which they uprooted 3 kingsoms namely the heruli osthrogoths and vandals. as daniel spoke of about the little horn.

the rest of the things you said there even though it is copy and paste has no significance here they prove nothing.


you are busy thinking a super human will come in the future ,this is because you lack understanding. satans own christ id the popes they have usurped the positon of christ already and the number of there title is 666 which is the numerical equibalent of the word vicarious filli dei go find out and stop arguing. they will put on a final show down at the of times in an effort to decieve the world again but many people will be decieved ince theu dont know that antichrist is already in there midst.

lol its funny how you now admits that the man of sin will come from a system which is what I have been saying.

this system has been in existence for over 1700 years and this system has a man as a figure head. now see the logic; if the system has been in existence for thousands of years does it mean it has one and same man as the figure head for thousands of years? you see how you lack understanding.

I told you its a system with a amn at the top and there is a succesion that follows in other to keep this position going. so in other words it not about a man but system or organization.

the persecutoon of the saints of God by the vatican lasted for over a thousasnd years was it done by one man?

the usurpation of the position of God and son of God in he vatican was it done by one man?

the blasphemy of God by the catholic church was it done by one man ?


this is why the book of revelation spoke of this system as a city. notice that this city doomed to the wrath of God so also is the man of sin doom to the wrath of God so also is the little horn doomed to the wrath of God all these are one and same thing.

pray for understanding.

[quote author=FxMasterz post=127028696][/quote]well the doctrine you hold is called pretribution rapture doctrine meaning the rapture will come before the antichrist and you dont even know it. it goes to show you dont know what your talking about. the pretribulation doctrine teaches that the rapture will first happen and after that the antichrist will be reaveld and he will start the 7 years of tribulation whenhe goes to sit in the temple in israel.

it is clear to a good bible student that 2 thessalonians2 amd 1 john 2:19 are saying the same thing because both are clearly referring to the antichrist. apostasia simply means depature from the faith. paul said this deparure from the faith will happen so that the antichrist will be reavealed, john said the antichrist will also depart from the true church in other to show that they are not part of the true church these statments are one and same. in other words the both statement clearly give the impression that a revelation or exposure is to follow after the depature or falling away. notice john was talking of the antichrist when he made that statement.


pauls statement is not corroborrated by christ because christ statement does not have an antchrist or man of sin to be revealed after the love waxing cold you misunderstand it

.the statement by jesus in mathew 24 concerning the love of many waxing cold has nothing to do with apostasia. but rather men lacking love and empathy for one another. same thing timothy said in 2 Timothy 3:2





it is you who misunderstand. when I say the antichrist is a sytem I mean a system controlled by a man at the top occupying a prominent position. any man who assumes this postion has assumed the position of the antichrist.

I am not even the one saying. but let me give you a scripture that says it.

"I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were EYES LIKE THE EYES OF MAN, and a MOUTH speaking great things."
-- Daniel 7:8


did you see the above verse? this tells you that a MAN is positioned in some sort of a prominent position in that kingdom symbolically represented as a little horn. the smallest country in europe is the vatican city state.

if you say I am confusing myself then daniel is also confused and the angel who gave him the vison is equally confused. and maybe God too might be confused. but we know thats impossible. it is you who have refused to understand simple things.

the vatican and its popes have fulfiled all the characteristics of the antichrist. which are changing of times and laws, persecuting the saints of God. blaspheming God. claiming to be God on earth. positioning themselves in the place of God. sitting in the temple of God and calling themselves God . that is what vicarious filli dei means. and the numerical equivalent is 666. but you are ignoring this. also they put themsleves in place of God by saying they have equal power to forgive sin by saying ego te absolvo. you dont know all this.

all these wasnt done by one pope but by many popes over time. so the system provides the platform for the men to act as the man of sin. and in the final hour the man siting in that position will be destroyed by christ. so it is not just about a single man. no single man can.fulfill all the characteristics of the antichrist.



mr you are speaking like a child you lack understanding. the woman in revelation 17 is same as the antichrist a woman in prophecy is a symbolical representation of God people but this one is a corrupt woman a harlot. a harlot in bible prophecy is a symbol of a people or someone who has left her first lover to go be with another man. it simply means someone or a people who has left the true God to go serve idols or another God.

if you understand this then the apostasia mention by paul in 2 thessalians2 and john 1,2:19 will be clear to you.

this woman in revelation is the same as the people mentioned in the above scripture by paul and john . a people who have falling away from the true faith and have become corrupted by idolatry. that is why she is called a harlot amd this harlot is also called a city that reigns over the kings of the earth so this is a system an organization. also a country and religious system.

this woman is the same as the antichrist. mentioned by daniel. because both persecuted the saint, both blaphemed God, and both had power over the kings of the earth. that means they rule the world.

the little horn is the smallest kingdom in europe the vatican is the smallest kingdom in europe. the woman in revelation 17 is a city that sits on seven hills the vatican city state is situated atop seven hills in rome. go find out and stop arguing

go read the book of daniel 7 and revelation 17 and you will see that both entities are both religious and political systems. and indeed the vatican is both a political and religious entity.

the parallels between the two is undeniable. . so mr you are wrong.





you are also wrong when you say the bible didnt say the pope will make any claim. it is clear from the bible that the antichrist will exault himself above anything called God. this is in fact positioning himself in the place of God. so you are wrong

if the bible says that christ is the head of the church and the pope also says he is the head of the christian faith.. has he not put himself in the position of God? why are you arguing back and fort? if the popes claim to forgive sin have they not usurped the position of a God?
here are some quotes from the popes

“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.”
Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218


“The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth…by divine right the Pope has
supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock.
He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all
Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge
of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of
heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth.”
Quoted in the New York Catechism.
these are just a few.

if the above is not exaulting or claiming or positioning, pls then tell me what it is?
when you position your self in place of christ have you not claimed to be God?whne people kiss your feet and hands are they not worshipping you?

if you think a temple will be rebuilt so that a man will go in it and literaly sit there then you dont understand biblical symbolism. sitting does not necessarily mean to literaly sit but here it means a position of authority and power. if I say tinubu is sitted in office as nigeria president do i mean he is literaly sitting or I mean he assumed power as president.... you need undersatnding.






like I said before you need understanding.. go to the book of revelation 18 the bible refers to the LovePeddler of babylon as "HER" nevertheless it is not talking about a person or a woman in particular. when paul used the word "HE" he was referring to roman cesears, the emperors who rule over rome neverthelsss it is not talking about the person but the entire kingdom of rome.

paul would not openly mention it because the christians where under persecution. at the hands of the roman so if he had written it down and the romans got to see it then they would think the christians wanted the fall of their nation to fall and so this would even make things worse for them the christians.

nevetheless I have given you the quotes of the early christians who lived close to the time of paul. this is true when you get to see where the little antichrist horn arose from and it arose from the fourth beast which is the roman empire. this is undeniable and fact .


yes fatima indeed captivated the world even up till this day.the whole world swallowed the lie the bible says he will deceive the world with lying wonder and signs the world already has been deceived and have wondered/ follow after the beast. this is worship when you follow with blind obedience it is worship. open your eyes.




the popes alone fulfil all characteristics of the antichrist spoken of in the bible there is no other person or entity that fulfils the prophpecy of the antichrist only the popes so you are wrong to say other figure in history fulfiled the prophecy too, no.. there is non other than the popes. there is no other prophecy to be fulfilled by any other person in the future if there show it from the bible.

[quote author=FxMasterz post=127025835][/quote]you are wrong. the roman empire fell in 476 amd the popes where granted state power in 538 by justinian hence the rise of the antichrist who revealed himself by the persecution of the saints.after the fall of the roman empire so you wrong here.




the bible says the image of the beast cause all both small and great to recieve a mark. in bible prophecy the symbolical representation of a beast is a kingdom or political nation so the image of the beast must be a poilitical nation resembling th first beast which is actually a political nation. so this is not talking of a single man that came out of no where so you are also wrong here

you say the pope does not have any global power? now I know how naive you are. the roman empire was the strongest kingdom on earth in its time and this empire gave that power to the catholic church through justinains decree and constantine who literaly left rome to constantinople in turkey. leaving the popes to control what was left of the roman kingdom. you need history
the popes controlled the world and the kings of this world untill napoleon arrested him in 1798.

in 1929 they where given the state power napoleon took from them.

the popes run the world through their networks of jesuits. the sinking of the titanic, the first world war, the second world war, the killing of abraham lincoln and jfk the assasination plot of king james of england, the great depression of 1929 was all the handy work of the jesuits. every thing you see today happening is run and controlled by the vatican through the jesuits. the foumder of the jesuit is ignatius of loyola he was actually a member of the spanish alumbrados which you call illuminati today. adam weishaupt the founder of the modern day illuminati is a jesuit and a proffesor of the canon law of the catholic church. I can go on and on but let me stop here .



the antichrist is not just a man but a system headed and succeeded by men otherwise it would not fulfill the prophecy of daniel, Thessalonians and revelation.

FxMasterz:
Now, let's look at the scriptures together for clarity. The scriptures are clear regarding the doctrine of the antichrist, I find it really unsettling that someone is misinterpreting the whole thing and ascribing some super-knowledge unto himself.

Let's look at the Epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians.

2Thessalonians 2

1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

Summary
Don't fret whenever you're told that Jesus can come any moment, has come or is coming soon.

The following verses tell us why:

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

Summary
Jesus would not come until there's a great apostasy. The falling away. Jesus said in Mathew 24 that the love of many would wax cold.
There'll be serious spiritual lukewarmness enveloping the church, then in the midst of that global apostasy, a certain man is revealed or exposed or made known. This man is doomed for destruction. This is not a system. It's a man. All the systems of the world are doomed for destruction. So, there's no point in singling out a system as being doomed for destruction. We'll see further below that this is a man, not a system.

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

[b,] Explanation[/b]
He will exalt himself over EVERYTHING that's called God. Not just the Christian God. He'll claim to be over all.gods. in the book of Revelation, he'll cause the whole world to bow to his image in worship. Revelation 13:15. He would sit as god in God's Temple. This is 100% literal. He'll declare himself a god, and infact, the only god in the temple in Jerusalem. I find it amusing that you said the temple in question is our body which truly is the temple of the living God. The devil cannot sit as god in the temple of any child of God, neither can a Pope. The temple referred to here is a physical temple.

5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.

Summary
Something is holding him back. He'll be exposed at the proper time. He'll be made known at the appointed time. A system is an 'It', a person is a 'he'. He'll be revealed. Not 'it would be revealed.' This isn't a system.


7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

Summary
The system of the antichrist. The spirit of the antichrist. The power of the antichrist is already at work. The antichrist spirit is already in the world. It was in the world even in Paul's days. The system is eager to produce the man of lawlessness but there's Someone holding back the system. Once the Person holding back the system is removed from the scene, then the lawless one will be revealed - The antichrist. The Lord will destroy him by the Brightness of His Coming.

9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."

Summary
The lawless one would deceive the whole world through lying signs and wonders and lying miracles. The first miracle is that he'll bring peace to the Middle East. The peace would however be short-lived. Paul went further to say "When they shall say peace and safety (in the Middle East), then sudden destruction would come upon them." As part of his lying miracles, he would erect an image of himself. This image would become animated and begin to speak, and force everyone to bow in worship to him. Revelation 13:15.

Now, let me dissect your post above.

the scriptures of 2 thessalonians2 you just quoted even proves me right and you wrong.
it shows that the antichrist will come before the rapture and not after as you think.

the greek word used for "falling away" is apostasia. which means a departure from the true church or body of christ. here paul is saying the same thing as in 1 john 2:19 which reads "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." this is not some global event but it refers to a group of people who left the true body of christ and founded a corrupt one. this is also the reason why john said there are many antichrists
the book of daniel and revelation exposes the antichrist these scriptures agree with mathew 24 ,2 thessalonians and the book of john.

the book of daniel and revelation exposes the antchrist as a system headed by a man, and the book of revelation exposes the antichrist as a woman drunk on the blood of the saints and also literraly interpretes the woman as the city that reigns over the kings of the earth , a city that sits on seven hills and this parallels the book of daniel 7 which shows the antichrist as a little horn which means a political kingdom also headed by a man.
both symbols of a horn and a harlot in the book of daniel and revelation persecuted the saints and had control of the entire world and it population. both systems where also doomed to destruction so you are wrong to say it is not a system

there is no man who can do that without a political system or platform think mr think.

obviously this is not a single man. although it is headed by a man at the top. and this is the man the bible refers to as the man of sin.
every single characteristic of the antichrist described by both daniel and john has been met by the popes and the vatican. they changed the times and laws the calender you use today is known as the gregorian calender who is gregory? well it is pope gregory who changed it from the julian calender, they persecuted the saints, they have blasphemed God, they have claimed to be God on earth.


the pope is literally sitting in the temple of God now. you are greatly wrong when you say the temple is literal, no! it is figurative. there is no passage of the bible that says another temple will be rebuilt. you are wrong.

Corinthians 6:19-20
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you,
whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at
a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
Acts 17:24 (KJV)
God who made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is
Lord of Heaven and earth, dwelleth not in TEMPLES MADE WITH
HANDS. acts 17:24. so why will God regard another temple whme christ has died and the temple disregarded and destroyed.

the new testament temple is the body of christ which is the church.
and the pope is in the church calling himself the head of the christian faith. the pope is not the head ,christ is the head.
if you think that a second temple will be rebuilt so that the antichrist will go in there one day then you have been decieved. all that is actually a distraction from the vatican itself since they own the land of israel since the days of the crusades.

this is why christ have to be the high priest because he is in us through the holy spirit

if you miss the symbolical representation of prophecy you will miss the point.

the image of the beast is actually another nation and not a literal image that will be made. this image is the united states of america but that is a discussion for another day.
it is america who will enforce the mark of the beast. because the vatican founded and developed america, the american flag is actually the flag of a jeusit company and that country is the company of the vatcian. go find out. that is the reason why the white house is patrerned after saint Peters basilica. google it.



now concerning the revealing of the lawless one. even though paul used the word he. studies from daniel and reveltion shows this to be a system headed by a man. any man who assumes this position is the man of sin because this man is to come up at the fall of the roman empire untill the end of time.

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
-- Daniel 7:21

Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom
-daniel 7:22


do you see the above verse parrallels the book of 2 thessalonians?

obviously the little horn is a small political kingdom so this is talking about a system but headed by a person. same entity with revelation17:18 in that passage it is clearly revelaed to be a city.


now concerning the restrainer , one part of scripture explains and gives more detail about what another scripture says. and this is true when we study the book of daniel, we see where the antichrist arose from. the little horn came up among the ten horn which are part of the fractured roman empire.
the restrainer has been for long interpreted as the holy spirit, this is not true. the bible never said that. paul told the early christians what the restrainer was. now lets go back and find out

Look at the words of TERTULLIAN 150ad. Quoting
Thessalonians, he says : ” Now ye know what detaineth that he might be revealed in
his time, for the mystery of iniquity doth already work ; only he who now hinders must
hinder until he be taken out of the way. What obstacle is there but the ROMAN STATE ;
the falling away of which, by being scattered into ten kingdoms, shall introduce
antichrist,

CHRYSOSTOM 347ad- ‘he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.’ That is, when the Roman empire is taken out of the way, then he shall come ; and naturally, for as long as the fear of this empire lasts, no one will readily exalt himself; but when that is dissolved, he will attack the anarchy, and endeavour to seize upon the government both of men and of God. For as the kingdoms before this were destroyed, that of the Medes by the Babylonians, that of the Babylonians by the Persians, that of the Persians by the Macedonians, that of the Macedonians by the Romans, so will this be by antichrist’, and he by Christ.

HIPPOLYTUS -on the great image and four wild beasts of Daniel : ” The golden
head of the image,” he says, “is identical with the lioness, by which the Babylonians were represented ; the shoulders and the arms of silver are the same with the bear, by which the Persians and Medes are meant ; the belly and thighs of brass are the leopard, by which the Greeks who ruled from Alexander onwards are intended ; the legs of iron are the dreadful and terrible beast, by which the Romans who hold the empire now are meant ; the toes of clay and iron are the ten horns which are to be;the one other little horn springing up in their midst is the antichrist


the above shows the belief of the early christians before this doctrine was corrupted by the vatican through their jesuits.


the book of daniel shows us where and how the antichrist sprung out from and this is the fourth beast which is the roman empire of which without its fall the little horn or the antichrist would it have sprung up to persecute the saints of God through the inquisition. if you think that the restrainer is the Christians or the holy spirit then you are wrong.

the antichrist has already decieved the world with lying wonders go research the apearance of fatima in Turkey. nevertheless more of that holographic appearance will still be use to stage a final deception.

the bible never said the antichrist will make peace in israel. the peace and safety refers to world wide peace treaty after a world wide catastrophic event in other to usher in the mark of the beast. this event is known as the great tribulation of which christ will come immediately after to render destruction upon the earth.

advocatejare:
I’m enjoying the submission of the two of you!
It’s highly educating

thanks..

FxMasterz .


you still do not understand. the man occupying the position as at the time of the second coming of christ is the son of perdition. thats is the one destined for destruction. also there is actually no difference between antichrist and antichrists because john said they came out of us but where not of us. in other words this antichrist is a system , an organistion. you should understand it is more about a system and not the person. have you checked the numerical equivalent of vicarious filli die?

1 John 2:19 King James Version (KJV)
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they
would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be
made manifest that they were not all of us.

from the above you can see that john refers to the antichrist as "they"....

also you will notice that in the book of thessalonians the antichrist was already here before christ came. this is in agreement with the book of daniel 7:21-22. but according to the theory you hold it is not so. and also paul said that the apostasy/ falling away must happen for the antichrist to be revealed. this apostasy is what john too is talking about. the bible is in agreement with it self. because the antichrist came out of the christian church but did not behave like the true church and the restrainer which is the roman empire crumbled in other for the roman catholic church to come to power hence the revealling of the antichrist.

do you think a single man will just come out of no where and start rulling the world?

for any man to have any kind of political influence and power then tthey have to occupy a political office. if you are not seeing it this way then you are childish in reasoning.the pope is both a monarch, a head of state like a president and the bishop is all bishops. above arrest ,above prosecution no man is more powerful than the popes. presidents even kiss his hand and feet. open your eyes.

in the book of daniel seven we see ten nations represented as horns arising from the fourth beast. among them a little horn which is a little nation .

there is no nation without a figure head or ruler. this is same with the little horn and it is signified by daniel as having eyes and mouth of a man. this goes to show that there is a man in some sort of prominent way in that little nation. this
little nation arose at the fall of the roman empire and is to continue till the coming of christ.

now let me ask you do you think that the man described by daniel in the little horn will live on from the time of the fall of the roman empire till the end of the world when christ will come? yet the bible said the same horn made war with the saints untill christ came. the same horn blasphamed God and changed the times and laws. you think all these will be done in the future? no! it has been done already by the popes go find out.


the bible said the same horn that arose at the fall of the roman empire is the same horn that persecuted the saints and is the same horn that was destroyed by christ at his cominng so tell me who will live that long?
notice the bible refers to the horn which is a little nation but headed by a man. so it has to be an office or a position which has to be succeeded by men for the prophecy to come to pass.

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
-- Daniel 7:21

Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
-- Daniel 7:22


this same little horn in the book of daniel 7 is what john the revelator also revealed but with a different symbolic representation as the LovePeddler of babylon drunk with the blood of the saints, who rides the beast.

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FxMasterz:
You're muddling things up and confusing yourself!

The Bible clearly calls him the man of sin, gave his number as the number of a man - 666, told us clearly that he'll head a one world government and several other prophecies like that. Why are you turning the script I upside down? I'll find time for you today. I'll be back.

you clearly have not sudied your bible. the popes have a title it is known as "vicarious fili dei" go find out the numerical equivalent of that word.

of course the bible calls him the man of sin. the man of sin is that same as the little hrn with eyes and mouth of a man in the book of daniel. a horn represents a political entity or kingdom the significance of the eyes and mouth in that little horn is that the little kingdom has a man sitted in great positon with authority.

clearly you have not studied the bible when it comes to the issue of the antichrist ,when you do ,you will discover that it fits no other than the vatican.

in case you dont know the vatican has been running the world since 538AD untill now.

FxMasterz:
Tomorrow, I'll engage you comprehensively as I need to go to bed right now. But, for now, you need to understand that while the antichrist is a singular entity who heads a one world government, the papacy has seen several popes since the the Roman Catholic church was founded. While the Popes are indeed antichrists, they are not the antichrist because the antichrist is one person - a man. The man (not the men) of sin.

that is where you are wrong. the antichrist is not just one person as the bible says there are many antichrist. also the bible said they came out of us but where not part of us.
see the fact of the matter is that this anitchrist position has more to do with the position and not the person. its an office , a system occupied/ governed by a person or a man symbolized by the eyes and mouth of that little but stout horn of daniel 7. that is why they have to exist from the fall of the roman empire untill the second coming of christ. the last man standing in that office when christ comes is that man of sin who will be destroyed by christ himself. read the book of revelation about the woman riding a beast. this woman is referring to the system / the entity run by the antichrist which is the vatican. the bible also said that the woman is that great city which sits on seven hills. lo and behold the vatican city state literally sits on seven hills. and one of the hills is called capitol hill which the white house of the usa government is named after. america is actually the lamb like beast that arose from the earth. let me stop here .

but I am looking forward to engage you properly tomorrow.

FxMasterz:
First, I never mentioned a 7yr tribulation. So I don't know the source of that question of yours.

Would you please prove that the events surrounding the emergence of the little horn which blasphemed God have already played out in reality?

This doctrines you hold are unbalanced and false. You need to explain yourself with relevant scriptural and historical references. There's still no peace in the middle east as we speak. Perhaps you don't know that one of the major marks for identifying the antichrist is that he'll bring peace to to the Palestinian conflict. You're studying the Bible alone without allowing yourself to be taught. You can't be a lone ranger in these things. School me? You're puffed up.

it the same thing, 7years of tribulation is same as 7 years of covenant with israel. neither is found in the bible . and yes I am actually puffed up because I kbpw what I am talking about, I can only boast in these and nothing else.

for your info there is nothing happening in the middle east that concerns the antichrist and his emergence. if you doubt me prove it with scripture.

the antichrist has already emerge sinceover 1700years ago.

the four beasts represent four world powers that will emerge starting from babylon. as at the time of this prophecy daniel was in babylon which is the most powerful nation as at that time. then after babylon the medo persians overthrew the kingdom of babylon to become the world power. after medo persia came greece and after greece came the roman empire which where in power as at the time of christ.

is rome still standing today? you know the answer.

looking at daniels prophecy about the fourth kingsom which is rome. indeed the fourth kingdom scattered into ten different kingdoms. which are in europe today. and among these ten european kingdoms came a small but powerful kingdom in there midst. it came last but very powerful that kingdom is no other than the vatican city state.

the vatican rose to power at the fall of the roman empire when constantine the left rome and handed over control of rome to the popes. this era marked the start of the holy roman empire controlled by the popes.

the popes has blasphemed God and claimed to be God on earth , am sure this is not new to you. plus the vatican through its inquisition has persecuted the saints of God for over 1000years and will still do so. the world you amd I live in is owned and controlled by the vatican. the popes is the very man of sin whom christ will destroy with the breath of his mouth.

pls go read the book of daniel and then do your research

FxMasterz:
You're the one peddling a false doctrine. You need to prove your strange doctrine by the scriptures. I'll be open to that. There's no eschatological foundations for any doctrine that says the Beast has emerged.

Where are the two prophets that stand as witnesses before the God of the whole earth? Where is the Temple in Jerusalem where the antichrist would make a 7yr covenant with Israel? Has that temple even be built? Where's the abomination that maketh desolate? Does the antichrist now rule the whole world? Is the mark of the beast 666 now in effect? Are we now in the last week of Daniels 70 weeks? All that I just listed are contemporary events with the antichrist. Now, prove your doctrine. I'll be willing to hear you.

lol funny you. you have believed a wrong doctrine. to start with where did the bible mention a seven year tribulation?.

now to inform you, the book of daniel starting from chapter 7 revealed the truth about the antichrist and where he will emerge from.

in daniels vision he saw four beast which represent babylon ,medo persia, greece and rome. rome beeing the fourth kingdom scattered into ten kingdom represented by the seven horns and among these seven horns came up a litttle horn with the eyes and mouth of a man. these little horn blasphemed God and persecuted the saint untill christ came and destroyed him. these events chronicled by daniel has already played out in reality remaining just the final persecution of the saints and the return of christ.

these events are the same thing john the revelator spoke about in the book of revelation abouth the beast that rose out of the sea and the woman riding a dragon are one and same antichrist entity.

now concerning the things you listed every thing there is wrong. the new testament temple is the body and not a physical place.
daniels 70weeks prophecy has been fulfilled at the destruction of jerusalem the abomination of desolation is idolatry. there is no single passage in the bible that says antichrist is making a covenant. go read your bible.


but if you still doubt me I can school you more.

FxMasterz:
Remember that the Beast and the False prophet in the verses you quoted above are expected to emerge during the last 3.5yrs of the world when the Antichrist would have broken his 7yr covenant with Israel.

this is false. the beast has since emerged and the antichrist which is one of the ten horns has already emerged. the next thing to follow is the great tribulation after which christ will descend. there is no where in the bible where antichrist is making a covenant with israel that is a false doctrine.

Thoughty2:
Unlike you, I don't claim to know everything but it is always a good idea to apply sense when talking. Unfortunately, common sense is lacking in what you have said thus far.

Read Acts 21:39 (Paul was speaking of his physical linage here) , 1 Corinthians 9:20 (he was talking about a group of people he was looking to preach to. They were not yet Christians and he called them jews)

I can see that the only thing you are good at is to bark online and I'm not the one you will vent your frustration on. My final answer to this argument is in Proverbs 26:4-5.

you are busy beating about the bush amd sayimg nonsense.

it is clear enough romans 2:29 BUT HE is a JEW who is one INWARDLY; and circumcision is that of the HEART, in the SPIRIT, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

according to the above verse who is a real jew? a physical or spiritual?

see your mouth like "there is no sense in what you have said thus far"

you think I come here to waste time like you who does not know what he is talking about.

let me give another scripture you are dodging.

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL, WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL: NEITHER because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In ISAAC shall thy seed be called: That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED. - romans 9:6-8

if you know your bible very well you will know that christ is this seed and all who are in christ are those that are counted as the seed, that is the true children of abraham or true israel.

so mr man when next you quote me make sure you know what your talking about.

I have given lesson for free now mumu go your way.

Thoughty2:
Sighs! It's okay to admit if you are ignorant about certain topics. That scripture you mentioned is so quoted out of context.

In Romans 2:28-29, the Apostle Paul argues that being a Jew is not merely a matter of outward rituals like circumcision but involves an inward transformation of the heart. The passage emphasizes the spiritual nature of identity over external practices and points to a broader understanding of God's covenant beyond physical lineage.

This passage does not in any way disregard the existence of the descendants of Israel. It's good to put your brain to use once in a while. it doesn't hurt you know.

.your ignorance stinks and I perceive it very well. read again and comprehend.

paul stated he is "Not" a jew who is one inwardly emphasis on the word "Not", paul did not say "merely" but he said "Not" which is total in its meaning.

so paul is saying that beeing a real jew has nothing to do with out ward rituals but in ward practice which comes through faith in christ. in other words the true jew is one who is a jew spiritually and not physically.

so mr ignorance you have no argument. go check your brain before accusing somone of ignorance. mumu make I dey school you for free. dey there make pant dey wear you propaganda believer. of you quote me again I will school you properly for free mumu guy.

Thoughty2:
If your brain cells were working well, you would have noticed I never mentioned Christian in my post. It's so pathetic that your hatred for the Jews has eaten deep into your mind that you can't even think straight anymore.

You are not the one to tell me who the fight is between. And I so much love the fact that the Jews are paying you cowardly Muslims in your own coin. I wish northern Nigerian Christians can also fcvk your behinds dry the way Israel is fcvking Gaza right now.

You depraved souls, your murderous campaigns all over the world will soon come to an end.

you dont need to mention the word for me to know where you stand and how you stand. your igorance stinks literally into my nose from my phone screen.

who do you call jews? did you not see the biblical passage I quoted? you fool I am not a muslim you cannot even see that because your stupidity is leading you.

but let me help your sorry ass again with another passage.

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.romans 2:28-9
the real israel or jews are christians!!

dis you see the above? idiot. dont quote me saying rubbish.

what you see happing in the fake israel today is a political jamboree. for a purpose and fools like you cannot see the handwritting on the wall.
when the mark of the beast is out mumus like you will be the first to line up and take it

Thoughty2:
Islamic baga. You people have such a twisted mentality. You keep making wrong choices and supporting wrong ideologies .

Emilokan2stay, see what yourself and your lots have put Nigeria into by voting incompetency because of tribe/religion

stupid idiot!! cant you see I quoted the bible? or dont you know what the bible says concerning the real israel of God?

you must be seriously delusional to think this is a fight between muslims and christians. the state of israel is not christian!.' foolish boy.

go and cure your ignorance before coming to quote me and write nonsesne

Righteousness2:
Hamas terrorists have succeeded in waking up the modern day Children of Israel.

The present day Children of ISRAEL Have woken up from their slumber.

They are not only Wounding , pursuing and Destroying their Enemies. They are continuing from where the likes of Joshua stopped to Possess the Land from the River to the sea as GOD ALMIGHTY gave to them.

these useless propaganda you are spreading through this forum will fail.

the modern day children of israel are the true believers in christ jesus.

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
-- Romans 9:6-8


the political state called israel today has nothing to do with GOD or christ. but it has everything to do with the antichrist and that is who you support.

nairalanduser23:
I am tired of my wife's quarrelsome behaviour which I think she reserves for me. I can be having a honest conversation with her and out of nowhere it will lead to a quarrel with her. It surprises me.

Strange enough, I have observed her communication with neighbours, work colleagues and she knows how to compose herself but when it is me even a funny comment can upset her. Even when I tell her I didn't mean her negative interpretation of a comment, she will still insist on her negative interpretation.

She sometimes talks to me in a way that seems unfriendly to the point that I desire her talking to me the way she talks to outsiders. I have talked to her about it but it is not helping matters. She acts like she is not ware of her tone but there is a stark difference between how she talks to me and other people.

I earn far more than her and take care of the house bills so money is not an issue. I feel like I am the only one proactive about peace in the marriage while she is care-free.

How can I deal with this?

mr man let me tell you your problem.... and that is " you have failed to man up"

your wife is the troublesome type. trust me, I have seen and know her type.she is the kind of woman loves to make trouble and quarrels at the slightest opportunity. that is because it is in th fibre of her beign.

also she sees you as less of a man because it seems you are too soft on her and she feels no fear nor threat from you so she has lost regard and respect for you

this is what you need to do.

never ever give her the chance to start a quarrel with you for flimsy reason ever again.
once she starts that warn her seriously about it with a very serious and angry face.

if she tries is again without concenting to the first warning. teach her a lesson by refusing to provide as you normally would, and this includes recharging of cable tv, buying fuel for gen, even provinding for food in the house or giving her any money for up keep .

you have to stamp your feet down as the man of the house and let her know that you are in charge and should not be toyed with or treated like an idiot.

in marriages, men should have the mentality that they are doing the women a huge favour by marrying them literally taking care of them for the rest of their misrable lifes. and as such the women should stay humble and respectful.

if you paid her bride price, if you funded the wedding why should the woman come into your own house to talk to you any how. a house where she is beeing fed and taken care of like a baby and she will be talking to you anyhow even looking for trouble?'
the average nigerian man is a sissy and weakling.

men should learn that a woman should be kept under control and subdued.

our forefathers did this, thats how they where able to marry four five wives and still comtrol all of them even without much wealth.

today the men are busy seeking for how they will please the woman instead of controlling them.